2012-08-02 00:22 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-02 01:24 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 01:53 freespace has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-08-02 02:01 nikescar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-08-02 02:01 nikescar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 02:13 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-02 02:16 if anyone can handle heavy reads (and for the archives), here is a good TSMC earnings conf call transcript... http://www.tsmc.com/uploadfile/ir/quarterly/2012/2vyik/E/12Q2%20Conf%20Call-Transcript.pdf 2012-08-02 02:17 25 pages, but the usual solid quality from TSMC... 2012-08-02 02:29 Guest28076 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-08-02 02:33 ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 02:40 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 02:50 ChanServ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 03:13 infobot has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 03:37 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 03:53 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-08-02 04:01 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 04:42 mog has quit [Excess Flood] 2012-08-02 04:42 mog has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 04:42 mog has quit [Changing host] 2012-08-02 04:42 mog has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 06:26 emeb has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-08-02 06:28 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 06:44 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 06:50 xwalk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-08-02 06:55 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 07:00 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 07:16 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 07:18 Openfree` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 07:20 Openfree` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 07:36 Openfree` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 08:26 wpwrak: or the economical crisis has hit people from the qi-hardware community so hard that they can't afford internet access anymore. 2012-08-02 08:34 larsc: i thought of that, but then we would have heard them first complain about lack of food. i mean, you can go a few days or even weeks without eating, but without internet ? quite impossible. so they'd give up food first. 2012-08-02 08:35 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 08:35 :) 2012-08-02 08:36 * larsc complains about the lack of coffee and gets up to get some 2012-08-02 08:48 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 08:48 yeah, i liked werner's twist in that e-mail :) 2012-08-02 08:53 sigh 2012-08-02 08:53 someone on a russian mailing list complains that Xburst1 CPU is slower than a P6 one 2012-08-02 08:54 yeah, like, really. Xburst is a single-issue MIPS32 CPU without any L2 cache whatsoever, and P6 is superscalar, out-of-order microarch with speculative execution and huge fucking L2 cache 2012-08-02 08:54 of course it is way faster. 2012-08-02 08:55 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:01 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:02 whitequark: congratulate him on his research and encourage him to implement his conclusion, i.e., use a P6 ;-) 2012-08-02 09:02 Openfree` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:03 wpwrak: nope, it was MY research 2012-08-02 09:03 he is supposedly too stupid to open up Wikipedia, much less to, like, think with his brain. 2012-08-02 09:03 and yes, already did 2012-08-02 09:04 well, his discovery then :) 2012-08-02 09:04 * whitequark sometimes hates everyone 2012-08-02 09:05 who would have thought ;-) 2012-08-02 09:09 ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 09:11 Openfree` has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 09:15 wolfspraul has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 09:15 Ayla has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 09:15 jekhor_ has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 09:15 dandon has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-02 09:16 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:16 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:16 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:16 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:18 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:27 ChanServ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 09:27 overreacting is almost as bad as stupid e-mails :) 2012-08-02 09:46 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 10:03 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 10:05 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 10:14 kuribas has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2012-08-02 10:15 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 10:22 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 10:23 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2012-08-02 10:57 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 11:03 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-02 11:11 an interesting low-cost ISM spectrum analyzer, in the 2.4 GHz band also with signal generator: http://micro.arocholl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=62 2012-08-02 11:12 they're working on a wideband extension now: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/rf-explorer/oxfBLNvfNGI 2012-08-02 11:14 unfortunately not open source or open hardware. but at least most of the serial protocol is documented. 2012-08-02 11:21 wpwrak: well.. there is osmosdr... 2012-08-02 11:21 and umtrx 2012-08-02 11:37 and FMCOMMS1 2012-08-02 11:37 although that's not so low-cost anyway 2012-08-02 11:51 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 12:17 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 12:36 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 13:04 roh: osmosdr doesn't get to 2.5 GHz, does it ? 2012-08-02 13:08 roh: umtrx seems a bit bulky. no mention of the frequency range. 2012-08-02 13:10 dunno (frq).. i thought 2.7 2012-08-02 13:10 ah. no.. 1.4 2012-08-02 13:12 hmm, http://www.hack4fun.eu/2012/03/umtrx-open-source-hardware-transceiver-for-gsm/ 2012-08-02 13:12 says that umtrx does 375 MHz - 4 GHz. if that's really what they mean. (and not just the specs of one part of many in the chain) 2012-08-02 13:13 seems bulky, though 2012-08-02 13:13 larsc: and yours needs a fair bit of extra hw, too 2012-08-02 13:15 one bit to be exactly ;) 2012-08-02 13:33 It is a modular solution, you have to have a FMC host board, but you can choose the host board according to your requirements 2012-08-02 13:40 wpwrak: rtl-sdr can still go/hack to 2.2Ghz.. but i think you lost gain a lot 2012-08-02 13:42 larsc: yeah, but in the end you're probably in the USRP price range (~USD 2k for box plus RF board) 2012-08-02 13:44 kristianpaul: for the "2.4 GHz" band, you still need 350 MHz more ... 2012-08-02 13:45 well, or at least 300 MHZ, depending on which bits you're after 2012-08-02 13:45 damn, i'm the only receiving a excessive bounces accoutn disabled from qi mailman?.. 2012-08-02 13:45 wpwrak: i'm after my rc plane remote control :) 2012-08-02 13:45 never had that :) 2012-08-02 13:47 kuribas has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2012-08-02 13:49 hmm i had lost 3 weeks mails.. 2012-08-02 13:49 damn 2012-08-02 13:51 wpwrak: yea, as I said not really low-cost. But I think there will be a bundle of FMCOMMS + ZYNQ baseboard for about 1k USD soon 2012-08-02 13:53 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 13:54 GNUtoo has quit [Client Quit] 2012-08-02 13:58 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:02 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:05 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:08 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2012-08-02 14:08 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:09 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-02 14:09 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:09 larsc: USD 1k sounds nice. you'd beat the USRP+SBX at that price point and you have more bandwidth. 2012-08-02 14:11 and we even have video out on the board 2012-08-02 14:12 grmbl. and now i need to figure out how to mill a piece of plastic from both sides. capacitative touch sensors are finicky. the price to pay for low BOM cost and no mechanical wear ... 2012-08-02 14:12 wpwrak: http://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-software/iio_oscilloscope 2012-08-02 14:13 that's running on the target system 2012-08-02 14:13 now we know what you've been doing lately :) 2012-08-02 14:13 does the critter work with gnuradio ? 2012-08-02 14:13 not yet 2012-08-02 14:14 it's on the nice to have feature list 2012-08-02 14:15 it should be a matter of implementing a IIO backend for gnuradio 2012-08-02 14:15 and, and the scope comes with source. very nice ! 2012-08-02 14:15 wpwrak: everything comes with source 2012-08-02 14:15 yeah, gnuradio is a bit the lingua franca for everything SDR 2012-08-02 14:16 with that attitude, analog should also make SoC (with GPU), FPGAs, and WLAN chips ;-) 2012-08-02 14:16 the world would be considerably easier :) 2012-08-02 14:17 we'll see ;) 2012-08-02 14:17 the chips on the board are obviously not opensource 2012-08-02 14:21 but with available data sheets ? 2012-08-02 14:22 yes 2012-08-02 14:22 and linux drivers 2012-08-02 14:23 you're seriously trying to kill the job market for reverse engineers, aren't you ? :) 2012-08-02 14:25 well market demands kind of drives this 2012-08-02 14:26 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:26 being 'open' is a competitive advantage 2012-08-02 14:27 what board? 2012-08-02 14:27 http://wiki.analog.com/resources/fpga/xilinx/fmc/ad-fmcomms1-ebz 2012-08-02 14:27 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 14:28 we have a bitscope oscilloscope here... it works enough for our needs, and it felt like helping those who provide schematics. 2012-08-02 14:28 larsc: i wish more companies would see it like this. especially in the aforementioned sectors. 2012-08-02 14:29 btw, speaking of socs, i hear that allwinner is very liked in certain open source circles. yes they don't seem to have any public data sheets for their chips. does anyone know more ? 2012-08-02 14:30 e.g., was i just too stupid to find them ? are there there but in chinese ? have they been "leaked" and everyone has a copy but not officially ? or did i just get all this wrong ? 2012-08-02 14:38 gnuradio blocks should be sinthesized on the fpga as well 2012-08-02 14:40 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 14:54 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 15:19 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-08-02 15:53 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 16:34 emeb has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-08-02 17:14 scientes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 17:59 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 18:00 xwalk_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 19:10 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 19:21 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 19:23 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 19:41 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.] 2012-08-02 20:02 emeb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-02 20:16 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 20:53 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 2012-08-02 21:10 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-02 21:36 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-02 22:16 Jurting has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-08-02 22:19 kristoffer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-08-02 22:27 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-02 22:36 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 22:47 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 22:51 ahh :-) 2012-08-02 22:52 is that real? they force lars to add a small but significant extra line into the middle of an otherwise unsuspicious 'bsd style' license? 2012-08-02 22:52 "Use of the software either in source or binary form, must be run on or directly connected to an Analog Devices Inc. component" 2012-08-02 22:52 Ayla has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-08-02 22:52 good morning everybody 2012-08-02 22:53 and that's for a 1500 line sample app 2012-08-02 22:54 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-02 22:54 weird requirement 2012-08-02 22:55 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 22:55 not too unusual, it's just sad to see the entire circumstances with this being a small sample app, certainly this extra line was not lars idea, analog does not gain anything from it, etc. 2012-08-02 22:56 free software obviously would have gone nowhere if everybody who managed to hack up a 1500 line sample app would have also spend the time to think about extra clauses like this one to make 'their' thing special and keep it connected to 'their' stuff 2012-08-02 22:57 so then :-) it's probably still best for lars to not waste his time in turn to 'convinve' anybody inside analog, better just ignore and keep working 2012-08-02 22:57 convince 2012-08-02 22:57 but naturally this piece of coding is trapware 2012-08-02 22:57 * pabs3 misses some context 2012-08-02 22:57 piece of code, arg 2012-08-02 22:57 the oscilloscope stuff lars published 2012-08-02 22:57 great to see him publish on analog.com now :-) 2012-08-02 22:58 http://wiki.analog.com/resources/tools-software/linux-software/iio_oscilloscope 2012-08-02 22:58 also it's not nice imho to hide this kind of restriction in the middle of a bsd license 2012-08-02 22:59 not many people like me read the fine print to the last tiniest line (where in real life all the good stuff is - OF COURSE :-)) 2012-08-02 23:05 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-02 23:06 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 23:15 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-02 23:19 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-02 23:22 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-02 23:27 newcup has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-08-02 23:31 hey, anybody over at TPE? All well with all our friends who live there? 2012-08-02 23:47 I think so :-) 2012-08-02 23:47 the flooding tends to get worse in the news as well 2012-08-02 23:48 pabs3 has quit [Quit: Don't rest until all the world is paved in moss and greenery.] 2012-08-02 23:51 what's the future of Qt without Nokia? 2012-08-02 23:55 not sure, but the future of Qt inside Nokia seems to be non-existent, so going on outside is probably better