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Order yours today! ( 223685732903030784@rejon - 52s ago via web ) 2012-07-13 08:07 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 08:07 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 08:14 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 08:16 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 08:48 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 08:54 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-07-13 09:07 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 09:11 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 09:12 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 09:15 he2 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 09:24 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-07-13 09:30 does anyone want to buy my nanonote 2012-07-13 09:31 i have no time to use it and i would like to give it to someone who has more time and fun with it 2012-07-13 10:14 he2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-07-13 10:28 hellekin: how much? 2012-07-13 10:28 I meant he2... 2012-07-13 10:35 Aylax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 10:35 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 10:59 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-07-13 11:12 jluis|work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-07-13 11:30 it would be funny to sell for 130 USD, which is bigger than the original price but still smaller than the current price :) 2012-07-13 11:30 !seen he2 2012-07-13 11:30 kyak, he2 (~he2@95-89-147-151-dynip.superkabel.de) was last seen quitting #qi-hardware 1 hour 16 minutes ago (13.07. 10:14) stating "Ping timeout: 252 seconds" after spending 59 minutes there. 2012-07-13 12:02 buy low, sell high ;-) 2012-07-13 12:05 hm, maybe wolfgang should have annouced the price change two weeks before it was done. Maybe somebody would have bough the whole stock in the hopes of being able to sell it later at a higher price 2012-07-13 12:05 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 12:05 he2 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 12:20 he2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-07-13 12:26 that's an interesting idea ;-) 2012-07-13 12:26 of course, anyone who buys the whole stock can set any price they want ... 2012-07-13 12:30 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-07-13 12:33 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 12:40 well, the current stock 2012-07-13 12:48 Aylax has quit [Quit: Bye] 2012-07-13 12:50 may be hard to make more at the present time. after all, it's been several years since the last run. eventually, that fab will throw away their old stock of parts, tools, and such. 2012-07-13 13:06 I still remember as if it was yesterday when I had my first nanonote prototype on my desk 2012-07-13 13:31 your firstborn :) 2012-07-13 13:38 kuribas has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2012-07-13 13:51 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-07-13 13:51 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-07-13 13:51 DocScrutinizer06 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 13:51 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 14:04 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 14:26 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 14:45 morning 2012-07-13 14:54 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 15:44 scientes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 16:16 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 16:28 Ayla has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 16:34 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 16:35 antgreen has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 16:54 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 16:55 antgreen` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 16:57 antgreen has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-07-13 17:01 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-07-13 17:16 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 17:40 hmm. i wonder what the general rule of thumb is when it comes to solder paste and through-hole components. is solder paste commonly applied to the copper rings around holes ? never ? sometimes ? 2012-07-13 17:45 jekhor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2012-07-13 17:45 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 17:58 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:03 Ayla has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-07-13 18:05 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:09 Ayla has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-07-13 18:11 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:13 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:16 Ayla has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 18:17 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:19 sometimes.. 2012-07-13 18:20 after trial and error ;) 2012-07-13 18:22 Ayla has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 18:24 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 18:36 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 18:51 hmm :) what determines the decision ? 2012-07-13 19:00 time for the estaño/solder to stick on the pad? also shape and brighness 2012-07-13 19:01 when aplying heat^ 2012-07-13 19:02 FrankBlues has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 19:11 hmm .. 2012-07-13 19:12 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 19:15 DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2012-07-13 19:24 *g* 2012-07-13 19:27 FrankBlues has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-07-13 19:37 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-07-13 19:37 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 19:58 FrankBlues has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 19:58 FrankBlues has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-07-13 20:02 wpwrak: basically thru-hole isn't meant for reflow ;-) 2012-07-13 20:05 SMT and thru-hole are incompatible technologies. Starting with foamwave-solder-bath vs reflow 2012-07-13 20:05 antgreen` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-07-13 20:05 what if you have a board that has both types of components ? would you apply solder paste to the copper of through-hole components ? never ? don't care ? always ? 2012-07-13 20:06 antgreen` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 20:06 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellenlöten 2012-07-13 20:06 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 20:06 i wonder how they do it in real life. applying solder paste may be quite hard if you have TH components on the board, so you'd probably always do SMT first 2012-07-13 20:07 I'd maybe try to apply lots 2012-07-13 20:07 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 20:07 but then, how do you solder the TH components ? maybe manually ? 2012-07-13 20:07 I guess usually manually 2012-07-13 20:07 e.g., milkymist has a ton of through-hole connectors 2012-07-13 20:07 (lots) ... of solder paste ? 2012-07-13 20:07 yep 2012-07-13 20:08 hoping for it to flow 'into' the hole 2012-07-13 20:08 hmm 2012-07-13 20:08 hmm. not sure if this works. already your stencil should have just one thickness 2012-07-13 20:09 actually you'd need so much that it covers the hole, and you stick the TH-wire of component thru it 2012-07-13 20:09 yeah :) 2012-07-13 20:09 doesn't sound like the normal way of applying solder paste :) 2012-07-13 20:09 it's incompatible 2012-07-13 20:09 but i wonder if there may be other reasons for putting solder paste on the TH copper rings 2012-07-13 20:10 easier soldering afterwords 2012-07-13 20:10 manual 2012-07-13 20:10 yup, along these lines 2012-07-13 20:11 also, i could imagine that some types of surface finish don't survive SMT. so solder paste could then replace them. e.g., those inexpensive "organic" finishes. 2012-07-13 20:11 otherwise, you'd have to apply a more durable finish, which could mean considerably higher cost (e.g., if this would be the only place where you need it) 2012-07-13 20:13 but all this are just wild guesses 2012-07-13 20:19 wpwrak: afaik you do smt mounting first, and then do the through-hole in a wave-soldering machine 2012-07-13 20:20 on singlesided SMT that may work 2012-07-13 20:21 since soldering sides of SMT and TH components on same side are actually opposite 2012-07-13 20:22 don't forget the "ancient" names "component side" and "soldering side" 2012-07-13 20:23 wpwrak: http://sr-systems.de/content.php?show=PCB&lng=deu&style=std right side pictures, last few 2012-07-13 20:24 DocScrutinizer05: afaik you protect smt parts with kapton tape from the wave if you have doublesided 2012-07-13 20:24 I wouldn't argue 2012-07-13 20:26 though you should make damn sure then taht the solder wave doesn't deposit solder under the kapton on the corners 2012-07-13 20:27 actually I guess it's an evaluation of manpower costs for manual soldering vs material for wave-soldering 2012-07-13 20:28 roh: and do you solder paste the copper around TH holes ? always ? never ? don't care ? it depends ? 2012-07-13 20:30 wpwrak: basically there is no such thing as "copper around TH holes" on SMT side 2012-07-13 20:31 if we assume a double-sided board, you'd have SMT on both sides 2012-07-13 20:31 s.SMT side.component side. 2012-07-13 20:31 so would you deposit solder paste on the TH copper ? 2012-07-13 20:31 yes 2012-07-13 20:31 (comp side) i mean SMT components on both sides 2012-07-13 20:31 wpwrak: dunno 2012-07-13 20:32 DocScrutinizer: and why would you deposit solder paste on the TH copper ? 2012-07-13 20:32 the wave-solder machine will thank it 2012-07-13 20:32 heh :) 2012-07-13 20:33 better solder than anything else on the copper 2012-07-13 20:34 since anything else is $dirt 2012-07-13 20:34 well, could be bare gold 2012-07-13 20:34 mho 2012-07-13 20:35 you would place gold on solder pads? :-O 2012-07-13 20:35 dang you must be rich 2012-07-13 20:36 you basically have four choices: naked copper (not a happy choice for sure), some not very durable finish, a durable finish, and your regular finish, plus solder paste 2012-07-13 20:36 afaik usually one does it either like in the photos i pasted the url to, or for lower volumes: manually. 2012-07-13 20:36 so.. smt automatic placement and soldering, and add the through-holes by hand. 2012-07-13 20:36 DocScrutinizer: seems to be pretty common. and doesn't seem to affect the price a lot. 2012-07-13 20:37 yep, and solderpaste on ds-pcb for the TH-pads is nothing bad 2012-07-13 20:37 hmm, even gold doesn't mind a solder layer on it 2012-07-13 20:38 solder gets liquid in wave-solder-engine and you get best possible solder-joint 2012-07-13 20:38 and for 'connecting' the solder to gold, solderpaste is no worse than wave-solder 2012-07-13 20:39 GeorgeH has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 20:39 mho 2012-07-13 20:40 if someone didn't put solder paste there (and assuming you had a decent finish, so you won't have a layer of coper oxide to worry about), would you consider this a bug ? 2012-07-13 20:41 i actually prefer gold on all mechanical througholes and no solder if its not a joint. so even dnp-part-pads shouldnt have solder. 2012-07-13 20:41 ack 2012-07-13 20:42 on the mechanicals solder is a problem because its modifies the thickness of material, its not really 'even' and dia of throughholes are off 2012-07-13 20:42 solder(-paste) *only* where components will be 30 min later 2012-07-13 20:43 and for goldplated pads it's arguable 2012-07-13 20:43 how were the mm1 rc3 made? 2012-07-13 20:43 i guess manual throughhole soldering? 2012-07-13 20:43 prolly 2012-07-13 20:44 DocScrutinizer: you expect chemical deterioration of the solder if left in the air for too long ? (it'll have been heated, so it's no longer solder paste) 2012-07-13 20:44 roh: manual seems likely 2012-07-13 20:46 heard of jolla? Wonder if they will consider my application 2012-07-13 20:46 anyway, time for dinner & booze 2012-07-13 20:47 *g* 2012-07-13 20:59 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 21:01 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 21:39 antgreen` has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-07-13 22:19 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-07-13 22:22 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 22:25 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 22:30 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-07-13 22:45 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 22:45 guys, is the "cache" instruction present on the jz4740? I'm getting an "illegal instruction" here 2012-07-13 22:47 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 22:52 pabs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-07-13 23:21 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-07-13 23:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btJvIQcPlyg&feature=related 2012-07-13 23:46 scientes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-07-13 23:46 scientes has joined #qi-hardware