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2012-06-13 02:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: xlr-socket.fpd: added XLR-PANEL-HORIZ/PCB-SOCKET (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/ec427d9
2012-06-13 02:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: xlr-socket.fpd: fixed pad 3's solder pad ring size. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/6276cf2
2012-06-13 03:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: xlr-plug.fpd: added XLR-PANEL-HORIZ/PCB-PLUG (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/c14108c
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2012-06-13 11:13 <kristianpaul> I like that 100usd idea
2012-06-13 11:13 <kristianpaul> or 110 120 ;)
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2012-06-13 11:49 <wpwrak> 100 USD idea ?
2012-06-13 11:50 <xiangfu> I think kristianpaul talking about dvdk's email
2012-06-13 11:51 <xiangfu> this one http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2012-June/009708.html
2012-06-13 11:51 <xiangfu> wpwrak, do you have any idea on atusb error: http://pastebin.com/0AApmAE6
2012-06-13 11:52 <xiangfu> "failed submitting bulk urb, error -2"
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2012-06-13 11:53 <wpwrak> (100 usd) aah !  USD (100-1) + 1 :)
2012-06-13 11:54 <xiangfu> :-)
2012-06-13 11:54 <wpwrak> error -2 is -ENOENT. that's an unusual one
2012-06-13 11:55 <wpwrak> not sure what exactly it means. sounds a bit like an addressing problem.
2012-06-13 11:56 <xiangfu> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.3/800-WPAN-new-files.patch#L5318
2012-06-13 11:58 <xiangfu> I just compiled kernel with atusb support on my laptop. now try to boot that kernel.
2012-06-13 11:59 <xiangfu> I modify the all from 'NETIF_F_NO_CSUM' to 'NETIF_F_HW_CSUM'
2012-06-13 12:00 <xiangfu> since there are no NETIF_F_NO_CSUM anymore. I modify that base on kernel log
2012-06-13 12:00 <xiangfu> and changed http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.3/800-WPAN-new-files.patch#L6042
2012-06-13 12:00 <xiangfu> len + hlen + tlen
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2012-06-13 12:42 <xiangfu> wpwrak,  the kernel I build for x86_64. I got same error on atusb. :(
2012-06-13 13:01 <wpwrak> xiangfu: yeah, makes sense. the problem looks as if it was at the interface to the USB subsystem
2012-06-13 13:02 <wpwrak> xiangfu: maybe some URB fields changed their use ?
2012-06-13 13:09 <xiangfu> I will look into the URB change log.
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2012-06-13 13:15 <wpwrak> maybe try to track down where the ENOENT comes from. that should shed some light on the issue.
2012-06-13 13:19 <xiangfu> yes
2012-06-13 13:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: usb-a-dual-recept-r.fpd: added USB-A-DUAL-RECEPT-RA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/2594403
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2012-06-13 14:57 <kristianpaul> hi dvdk :)
2012-06-13 14:57 <dvdk> hi
2012-06-13 14:57 <kristianpaul> 100usd good to me,
2012-06-13 14:57 <kristianpaul> But i also wanted to comment about development
2012-06-13 14:58 <kristianpaul> Most mobile devices have an SDK
2012-06-13 14:58 <kristianpaul> and owrt provide a SDK, but is no the most friendly for UI desing for example
2012-06-13 14:59 <kristianpaul> What do you think about the lack(?) of a nanonote SDK for developing apps
2012-06-13 14:59 <dvdk> kristianpaul: owrt is not really a SDK, it's more a build system.
2012-06-13 14:59 <kristianpaul> I'm not against porting, but something you need develop for making thing more unified
2012-06-13 14:59 <kristianpaul> dvdk: exactly (owrt)
2012-06-13 14:59 <dvdk> you'd have to decide on a tooolchain/menu-system to base your sdk on.
2012-06-13 15:00 <dvdk> maybe qt, maybe sdk, maybe sth else
2012-06-13 15:00 <kristianpaul> yeah nanomap for example was developed in qt for the nanonote
2012-06-13 15:00 <Ayla> funny, we were speaking about UI design on #dingoonity like 30min ago
2012-06-13 15:00 <dvdk> I've always been in favor of a script-language based approach that'd move the SDK part to the nanonote, i.e. user won't ahve to install stuff on his pc
2012-06-13 15:01 <dvdk> maybe putting a simple SDK onto the nanonote, one that can be used remotely via e.g. tightvncclient might be the sipmlest way?
2012-06-13 15:02 <kristianpaul> ah good point
2012-06-13 15:02 <kristianpaul> Ayla: any conclusions? :-)
2012-06-13 15:03 <kristianpaul> Ayla: dingoo have lots of games, and porting more very day, i heard also you have a online "library" of games as well no?
2012-06-13 15:03 <dvdk> all of this lives and dies with a well-made documentation/tutorial
2012-06-13 15:04 <dvdk> the RHIDE IDE feels a little bit like a modern desktop OS despite running on a terminal http://www.rhide.com/.  used it extensively some 10 years ago.
2012-06-13 15:04 <Ayla> kristianpaul: we didn't really conclude anything. I was suggesting to use the EFL instead of Qt/embedded to design UIs
2012-06-13 15:05 <dvdk> (wrt rhide) also implements proper project management, online help via GNU info-files etc.
2012-06-13 15:05 <Ayla> kristianpaul: and yes, we have an online library: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi
2012-06-13 15:05 <Ayla> but not everything is there
2012-06-13 15:09 <kristianpaul> basically porting more apps and let gmenu2x do the glue is the esiest simple way than develop own app..
2012-06-13 15:10 <dvdk> kristianpaul: agree, porting is much more productive than developing from scratch
2012-06-13 15:11 <Ayla> certainly
2012-06-13 15:11 <Ayla> but gmenu2x is a piece of crap
2012-06-13 15:12 * dvdk started coding a replacement from scratch, but it's not even 50% done. 
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2012-06-13 15:12 <dvdk> also that one will be even more crappy :)
2012-06-13 15:12 <Ayla> more info please :p
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2012-06-13 15:13 <dvdk> http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opensvn/free/trunk/almenu/
2012-06-13 15:13 <dvdk> maybe 10% complete
2012-06-13 15:13 <dvdk> ugly but low footprint, designed for fast startup
2012-06-13 15:14 <Ayla> mmhhh allegro
2012-06-13 15:14 <dvdk> anything to complain about allegro? we have a very stable, efficient port running on nanonote
2012-06-13 15:15 <Ayla> yeah. Never got it to work on the dingoo
2012-06-13 15:15 <dvdk> we even have (partial) python bindings
2012-06-13 15:16 <dvdk> and alex4, and aseprite painting program, and and and... :)
2012-06-13 15:16 <Ayla> a SDL backend for allegro would be nice :)
2012-06-13 15:16 <dvdk> Ayla: just strip it down to only use fbdev driver, why bother with SDL? also look at our patches.  I think i tweaked video mode selection a little.
2012-06-13 15:17 <dvdk> Ayla: allegro has a lot of backends, maybe SDL is among it?
2012-06-13 15:17 <dvdk> we even have sw-synthesized midi driver working in allegro.
2012-06-13 15:18 <dvdk> call me an allegro fan :)
2012-06-13 15:19 <kristianpaul> :)
2012-06-13 15:21 <Ayla> SDL 1.* is flawed
2012-06-13 15:21 <Ayla> but SDL 2.0 has a much better design
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2012-06-13 15:34 <dvdk> Ayla: for me sdl always felt like having too many layers, too much "API" to be fun to program.  This is were allegre excells.
2012-06-13 15:34 <dvdk> s/allegre/allegro/
2012-06-13 15:34 <qi-bot> dvdk meant: "Ayla: for me sdl always felt like having too many layers, too much "API" to be fun to program.  This is were allegro excells."
2012-06-13 15:35 <kristianpaul> dvdk: had you coded games for allegro before?
2012-06-13 15:35 <wpwrak> huh ? SDL ? that's about as bare metal as it gets ...
2012-06-13 15:37 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: did you find the fonts API?
2012-06-13 15:37 <kristianpaul> :-)
2012-06-13 15:38 <dvdk> kristianpaul: http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/opensvn/free/trunk/tf/
2012-06-13 15:39 <dvdk> (mostly developed during about 1998-2000)
2012-06-13 15:42 <dvdk> wpwrak: wrt api: allegro has stuff like key[KEY_SPACE] to check for (possibly concurrent) keypresses.  or you write stuff like screen->w to get screen size.  use of global vars in APIs has somewhat declined recently :)
2012-06-13 15:44 <wpwrak> dvdk: hmm, you can get keys and screen size in SDL, too. it's not particularly difficult.
2012-06-13 15:45 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: yeah, picking the right thing to use on top of SDL is kinda tricky
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