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2012-06-06 03:11 <wolfspraul> good morning everybody
2012-06-06 03:24 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: ben-wpan: now ben-wpan tools also build for other targets (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/23f18f7
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2012-06-06 04:01 <whitequark> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/05/samsung_invests_500m_in_linux_foundation_to_battle_ios.html
2012-06-06 04:01 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: some tizen news around
2012-06-06 04:01 <whitequark> what do you think about it?
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2012-06-06 09:30 <cladamw> wpwrak, in stdpass, i'd like to add a small "|" cathode marker on pad 2. Although this standard fpd is for resistor, capacitor, inductor. so for polarized capacitor or diode can also use it. how do you think ?
2012-06-06 09:33 <wpwrak> you could make a variant with polarization mark. call it xxxxP or such. similar to how i made those -M variante
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2012-06-06 09:38 <cladamw> yeah ~ okay. :-)
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2012-06-06 10:01 <jivs_> Hi xian9fu
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2012-06-06 10:22 <xian9fu> jivs_, Hi
2012-06-06 10:24 <jivs_> i looked up the error message you got, it is coming from libgmp, possibly due to different versions being installed on the host part and the toochain part
2012-06-06 10:24 <jivs_> But I couldn't get the same error message on my toolchain..
2012-06-06 10:25 <jivs_> can you please check which version of gmp is being used in your toolchain
2012-06-06 10:26 <jivs_> build_dir/host/ and build_dir/target.../
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2012-06-06 11:01 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120606-0902
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2012-06-06 13:23 <cladamw> wpwrak, how to convert string into number in Fped ?
2012-06-06 13:24 <cladamw> wpwrak, with  ${variable} can be string, but how to reverse it ? :-)
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2012-06-06 13:35 <cladamw> wpwrak, no need now, just use another way to work out my case. but still can tell me if there's answer. :-)
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2012-06-06 16:15 <kristianpaul> whitequark: i would be more interested on seeing tizen sold in a device
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2012-06-06 16:37 <whitequark> well, I guess that's what samsung wants
2012-06-06 16:37 <whitequark> I dunno, maybe android is too google-centric for them?..
2012-06-06 16:39 <kristianpaul> SaaS ;-)
2012-06-06 16:40 <kristianpaul> thus most features requires internet access, how boring...
2012-06-06 16:40 <whitequark> what's saas? android?
2012-06-06 16:41 <kristianpaul> google apis
2012-06-06 16:41 <kristianpaul> yes for example
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2012-06-06 16:44 <whitequark> well, as an android user I can say that it isn't
2012-06-06 16:44 <whitequark> I don't use any of google's services, and I don't really have a need to
2012-06-06 16:45 <kristianpaul> gotcha, perhaps i'm biased..
2012-06-06 16:45 <whitequark> it's just a platform actually
2012-06-06 16:45 <whitequark> google has a lot of nice stuff, but they don't force you to use it
2012-06-06 16:46 <whitequark> I have my email on my own IMAP, contacts on LDAP, etc.
2012-06-06 16:46 <whitequark> there's no implicit lock-in if that's what you are talking about
2012-06-06 16:46 <kristianpaul> no no,(lock-in)
2012-06-06 16:47 <whitequark> well, google's products are really nice, and they integrate well with each other and google's services
2012-06-06 16:47 <kristianpaul> sure
2012-06-06 16:48 <whitequark> I set them up for people who don't care that much about privacy how I do
2012-06-06 16:48 <whitequark> but with my own setup (which obvisously took time) it's almost the same
2012-06-06 16:48 <whitequark> and, arguably, they don't do anything to prevent me from using whatever I want
2012-06-06 16:48 <GNUtoo-desktop> whitequark, Android is apache and google can do like android 3.0 and that scares vendors
2012-06-06 16:48 <kristianpaul> well u use android :-)
2012-06-06 16:48 <kristianpaul> I was talking about what and operator and manufacture offer
2012-06-06 16:49 <whitequark> GNUtoo-desktop: yeah, they can, but if you ask me, the android 3.0 was the right thing to do
2012-06-06 16:49 <kristianpaul> right GNUtoo-desktop
2012-06-06 16:49 <whitequark> i.e. not overall
2012-06-06 16:49 <whitequark> they really should have invested more resources in making what became ICS
2012-06-06 16:49 <whitequark> to make it earlier
2012-06-06 16:49 <kristianpaul> s/offer/have to offer
2012-06-06 16:49 <whitequark> but I don't see that as an inherently evil thing. lots of devices with very bad UX would be worse
2012-06-06 16:50 <whitequark> kristianpaul: vendors and especially carriers offer exceptionally bad firmwares
2012-06-06 16:50 <whitequark> significantly worse than stock android
2012-06-06 16:50 * GNUtoo-desktop never used carrier firmwares 
2012-06-06 16:50 <whitequark> +1
2012-06-06 16:50 <whitequark> in Russia, carriers don't sell phones
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2012-06-06 16:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> only replicant on Android phones (or SHR)
2012-06-06 16:50 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
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2012-06-06 16:50 <whitequark> btw
2012-06-06 16:51 <whitequark> what about replicant on sgs2?
2012-06-06 16:51 <whitequark> how's progress coming?
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2012-06-06 16:51 <kristianpaul> whitequark: oh wow
2012-06-06 16:51 <kristianpaul> nice
2012-06-06 16:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> whitequark, paulk has or will have an SGS2....
2012-06-06 16:51 <GNUtoo-desktop> whitequark, beside there are progress on GNU/Linux port on SGS2 too
2012-06-06 16:51 <whitequark> kristianpaul: what's nice? carriers not selling phones? :)
2012-06-06 16:51 <kristianpaul> yup
2012-06-06 16:52 <whitequark> yeah, there ain't such thing as sim-lock here, for example
2012-06-06 16:52 <whitequark> nor bullshit like phone-tied contracts or, ahem, "tethering plan"
2012-06-06 16:52 <whitequark> there is even no phrase for the latter
2012-06-06 16:53 <kristianpaul> ;-)
2012-06-06 16:53 <whitequark> OTOH, in Moscow there are three carriers who form a cartel and they suck a whole lot
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2012-06-06 16:53 <whitequark> 3g? somewhere there's no signal whatsoever
2012-06-06 16:53 <whitequark> one carrier covers entire underground (thus demonstrating the possibility), others cover only small patches
2012-06-06 16:54 <whitequark> HSDPA? only if you're lucky
2012-06-06 16:54 <viric> ah
2012-06-06 16:54 <viric> that reminds me that I've a phone to "unlock"
2012-06-06 16:54 <whitequark> voice? can be tricky, too
2012-06-06 16:54 <whitequark> it's fucking 2012 and carriers can't get UMTS right
2012-06-06 16:54 <kristianpaul> viric: at the corner service shop? :-)
2012-06-06 16:54 <viric> I expected internet and google would unlock that for me
2012-06-06 16:54 <viric> but maybe it requires some device to do so
2012-06-06 16:55 <kristianpaul> at commands could sometimes
2012-06-06 16:55 <kristianpaul> with right etc app
2012-06-06 16:55 <viric> it's a very stupid phone
2012-06-06 16:55 <kristianpaul> indeed
2012-06-06 16:55 <viric> I doubt it does any AT
2012-06-06 16:55 <whitequark> viric: model?
2012-06-06 16:55 <kristianpaul> whitequark: so you have lots of HAM in russia i guess
2012-06-06 16:56 <whitequark> kristianpaul: HAM?
2012-06-06 16:56 <kristianpaul> ham radio*
2012-06-06 16:57 <whitequark> ah. nope, this thing has almost faded out of existence
2012-06-06 16:57 <viric> whitequark: alcatel OT-E220
2012-06-06 16:57 <viric> any help appreciated! :)
2012-06-06 16:57 <viric> I dislike throwing away hw for those reasons
2012-06-06 16:57 <whitequark> GPRS	No
2012-06-06 16:57 <whitequark> EDGE	No
2012-06-06 16:57 <kristianpaul> dont buy it at first place next time :-)
2012-06-06 16:58 <whitequark> this is a REALLY dumb phone
2012-06-06 16:58 <whitequark> Games 2
2012-06-06 16:58 <whitequark> lol
2012-06-06 16:58 * kristianpaul love its dumb phone
2012-06-06 16:59 * whitequark cannot successfully navigate in this city without GPS
2012-06-06 16:59 <whitequark> hence, only smartphones count
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2012-06-06 17:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> kristianpaul, unless you run an osmocombb feature-phone(that's the term for dumb-phones) smartphones can have some privacy advantages
2012-06-06 17:18 <GNUtoo-desktop> for instance if the CPU control the sound card you cannot be listened while not in call if you control the main CPU and that the modem doesn't use shared memory
2012-06-06 17:19 <GNUtoo-desktop> or if what you run on the main CPU is non-free it can be worse from the pricvacy point of view
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2012-06-06 17:21 <whitequark> GNUtoo-desktop: what's about privacy in SGS2?
2012-06-06 17:22 <whitequark> does it have the same hole as S1
2012-06-06 17:22 <whitequark> *?
2012-06-06 17:22 <GNUtoo-desktop> ask paulk
2012-06-06 17:23 <GNUtoo-desktop> I dno't know sgs2
2012-06-06 17:23 <kristianpaul> hole = close source gsm band is enought? :-)
2012-06-06 17:23 <GNUtoo-desktop> kristianpaul, that can be worked arround on some phones, on some other not
2012-06-06 17:24 <GNUtoo-desktop> it depend on the architecture of the phone, the baseband and the phone<->baseband  connection type
2012-06-06 17:25 <whitequark> kristianpaul: on sgs2, AP routes everything from sound (alsa) to data
2012-06-06 17:25 <whitequark> so there cannot be a "feature" which remotely turns on mic or something like that
2012-06-06 17:25 <whitequark> schematics have leaked too
2012-06-06 17:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> the problem is if the modem can rookit the main CPU or not
2012-06-06 17:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> trough shared memory
2012-06-06 17:25 <GNUtoo-desktop> like dual-port RAM
2012-06-06 17:27 <whitequark> ah, yes
2012-06-06 17:27 <GNUtoo-desktop> I've no idea if it's doable or not
2012-06-06 17:27 <kristianpaul> sim -> modem -> cpu -> you :-0
2012-06-06 17:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> or if it's done or not
2012-06-06 17:28 <kristianpaul> tap it :)
2012-06-06 17:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> at the sim level you can tap it
2012-06-06 17:28 <GNUtoo-desktop> with simtrace
2012-06-06 17:29 <kristianpaul> yup https://terminal-profile.osmocom.org/
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2012-06-06 17:30 <kristianpaul> bbl lunch
2012-06-06 17:30 <vladkorotnev> hey guys, haven't seen ya for so long!
2012-06-06 17:30 <vladkorotnev> i have stumbled upon a weird thing on my Ben Nanonote, particularly with the sound chip
2012-06-06 17:30 <vladkorotnev> should i tell ya about it?
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2012-06-06 17:43 <vladkorotnev> so, none is interested? okay maybe it's just mine's defect then
2012-06-06 17:43 <Ayla> let me see
2012-06-06 17:43 <whitequark> nn doesn't have a sound chip, does it?
2012-06-06 17:43 <Ayla> high pitched sound?
2012-06-06 17:44 <vladkorotnev> sort of, it's like in background of the music
2012-06-06 17:44 <vladkorotnev> the lower the battery, the more i can hear it.
2012-06-06 17:44 <Ayla> the noise is cyclic?
2012-06-06 17:45 <Ayla> I mean, is that the same pattern again and again?
2012-06-06 17:45 <vladkorotnev> it's like the music, but inverted or like that
2012-06-06 17:45 <vladkorotnev> not pattern
2012-06-06 17:45 <vladkorotnev> in headphones only, didn't hear it on the speaker
2012-06-06 17:46 <vladkorotnev> and when you turn it off, it makes a sound, like a blaster shooting in a scifi movie, into the headphones, like 'pewww' :P
2012-06-06 17:46 <Ayla> ok, that's a different bug than the one we have here
2012-06-06 17:48 <vladkorotnev> http://cl.ly/170X0F1w3I3H0i0s1f30
2012-06-06 17:48 <vladkorotnev> WOOPS
2012-06-06 17:48 <vladkorotnev> wrong window
2012-06-06 17:48 <vladkorotnev> don't click
2012-06-06 17:48 <vladkorotnev> better for you
2012-06-06 17:49 <vladkorotnev> sorry
2012-06-06 17:49 <whitequark> lol.
2012-06-06 17:49 <vladkorotnev> you did click this, didn't you?
2012-06-06 17:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> what is it?
2012-06-06 17:49 <whitequark> you know this channel is publicly logged, right?
2012-06-06 17:49 <whitequark> GNUtoo-desktop: hentai
2012-06-06 17:49 <GNUtoo-desktop> ok
2012-06-06 17:50 <vladkorotnev> well, fuck C:
2012-06-06 17:50 <whitequark> not the kind of it which would make you pluck your eyes off, just regular porn
2012-06-06 17:50 <vladkorotnev> that is just page 9 eh
2012-06-06 17:50 <whitequark> I don't really want to know anything further
2012-06-06 17:51 <whitequark> somehow I feel that'd make my life easier ... :)
2012-06-06 17:51 <vladkorotnev> fucking slow internet, i have to send files over page-by-page, transaction fails if i send by one archive, could it be the recent ipv6 transition?
2012-06-06 17:51 <whitequark> no
2012-06-06 17:51 <vladkorotnev> it would, whitequark, it would
2012-06-06 17:51 <whitequark> well, it could
2012-06-06 17:51 <whitequark> if you use vista/7
2012-06-06 17:51 <whitequark> which has teredo enabled by default
2012-06-06 17:52 <whitequark> otherwise it's just your crappy ISP or wrong MTU settings
2012-06-06 17:52 <vladkorotnev> probably should avoid using Cmd-Tab for switching apps when sleepy next time -__-
2012-06-06 17:52 <vladkorotnev> it's my friend's isp
2012-06-06 17:52 <vladkorotnev> mine is fast as hell, it fails on his side
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2012-06-06 17:52 <vladkorotnev> afaik, i still have a white ipv4 address
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2012-06-06 17:54 <vladkorotnev> by the way, guys, how do you think, is cli-only debian a good choice for using on a netbook? (assuming i am gonna browse the web / irc / IM / email with it)
2012-06-06 17:57 <viric> whitequark: yes, dumb phone, but I didn't buy it. :)
2012-06-06 17:58 <whitequark> vladkorotnev: try a tiling WM, they're awesome for netbooks
2012-06-06 17:58 <whitequark> e.g. awesome
2012-06-06 17:58 <whitequark> (it's a name too)
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2012-06-06 17:58 <vladkorotnev> i am fine with tmux
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2012-06-06 18:08 <whitequark> then why bother asking? :)
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2012-06-06 18:09 <vladkorotnev> because maybe problems with connecting to wifi might occur?
2012-06-06 18:09 <vladkorotnev> i mean public wifi
2012-06-06 18:09 <vladkorotnev> at home i'm fine with entering my network settings into configs
2012-06-06 18:12 <whitequark> ahh
2012-06-06 18:12 <whitequark> man interfaces
2012-06-06 18:12 <whitequark> debian has a really nice syntax even for wpa2
2012-06-06 18:12 <vladkorotnev> i mean public open wifi, when you have to connect quick, but no password etc
2012-06-06 18:14 <whitequark> so what? either add a line to interfaces
2012-06-06 18:14 <whitequark> or: "iw wlan0 connect Beeline_WiFi_FREE; dhclient wlan0"
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> thanks :P
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> more like
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> #!/bin/bash
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> iw wlan0 connect $1
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> dhclient wlan0
2012-06-06 18:14 <vladkorotnev> in /usr/bin/wiconn :P
2012-06-06 18:16 <vladkorotnev> assuming on how many people here use linux with cli, having a debian laptop would not only give you usability and stability with speed, but also make you look like a hacker lol
2012-06-06 18:17 <whitequark> like there's something good of it
2012-06-06 18:17 <vladkorotnev> but is it something bad? :P
2012-06-06 18:19 <vladkorotnev> once on an IT lesson at school we were told we're free to use the internet that day, but most sites were locked. srsly, people stared at me like i was watching porn or hacking the pentagon, while i silently telnetted to vertrauen to play Food Fight lol. also means they should disable Win-R on student machines, not just remove shortcuts ;P
2012-06-06 18:20 <whitequark> lol, win+r indeed is good
2012-06-06 18:20 <vladkorotnev>  anything with windows cannot be as good as linux
2012-06-06 18:21 <vladkorotnev> so, remodeled my setup for my netbook in a VM: http://d.pr/i/sr45 - even music is here :D
2012-06-06 18:21 <whitequark> windows nt is a nice kernel
2012-06-06 18:22 <whitequark> e.g. it has AIO, and linux doesn't have anything even nearly as good as NT's AIO
2012-06-06 18:22 <vladkorotnev> i'm talking UX here :P, not kernel and stuff
2012-06-06 18:22 <vladkorotnev> IMO, Linux has better UX
2012-06-06 18:22 <vladkorotnev> more user friendly
2012-06-06 18:22 <whitequark> linux is kernel
2012-06-06 18:23 <whitequark> it cannot be user friendly by definition
2012-06-06 18:23 <vladkorotnev> Linux-based OSes*
2012-06-06 18:23 <whitequark> like, for example, Gentoo?
2012-06-06 18:23 <whitequark> what a fuckload of user-friendliness
2012-06-06 18:23 <whitequark> don't overgeneralize :)
2012-06-06 18:24 <vladkorotnev> why not? Gentoo is when you need to have it customized, while Debian is install-and-go, depends on what you want, but not that hard :p
2012-06-06 18:25 <vladkorotnev> well, in windows i once had this: a dialog with text "Cancel current operation?" and three buttons: "Yes","No","Cancel" - while more logical is "Cancel" and "Don't cancel", and third one is not needed anyway
2012-06-06 18:26 <kyak> vladkorotnev: how is your FIDO addiction doing? :)
2012-06-06 18:27 <vladkorotnev> @kyak: only on my linux box, something is broken on the nano note again
2012-06-06 18:27 <vladkorotnev> don't wanna fix anyway
2012-06-06 18:27 <kyak> so it's still alive..
2012-06-06 18:28 <vladkorotnev> yep, though less active than last year
2012-06-06 18:28 <vladkorotnev> about 100 msgs per day
2012-06-06 18:28 <whitequark> in the whole network?
2012-06-06 18:28 <kyak> yeah, it's nothing compared to Internet
2012-06-06 18:28 <whitequark> erm
2012-06-06 18:28 <whitequark> if that's "not dead"
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> them I'm "linus torvalds"
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> why would anyone ever want it at all?!
2012-06-06 18:29 <kyak> that's what i thought.. apparently, it's still alive.. a little bit :)
2012-06-06 18:29 <vladkorotnev> i found an even cooler thing, Hotline  :P
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> well, linux still has DECnet support
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> DEC-fucking-net
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> for, I dunno, three DEC boxes left?
2012-06-06 18:29 <whitequark> or is that four?
2012-06-06 18:30 <vladkorotnev> around 5 usable servers, one with a fuckload of data but no people, >TB of texts and old software
2012-06-06 18:30 <kyak> what kind of software and texts?
2012-06-06 18:30 <whitequark> vladkorotnev: dump the latter to archive.org
2012-06-06 18:30 <whitequark> then shutdown it
2012-06-06 18:30 <vladkorotnev> even wrote a client for it, to use it on my iPhone, and put up a server
2012-06-06 18:31 <vladkorotnev> they're not going down in atl 10 years, as they said to me in PM
2012-06-06 18:31 <whitequark> what a necrophiliac
2012-06-06 18:31 <vladkorotnev> http://preterhuman.net/
2012-06-06 18:31 <kyak> why 10, not 15? :)
2012-06-06 18:31 <vladkorotnev> or, hotline.boffomac.com for Hotline connection
2012-06-06 18:31 <whitequark> ahhh, so it's already a www server
2012-06-06 18:31 <whitequark> Hotline?..
2012-06-06 18:31 <whitequark> wtf is Hotline?
2012-06-06 18:31 <vladkorotnev> www+kdx+hotline
2012-06-06 18:31 <vladkorotnev> SHXd is here as well
2012-06-06 18:32 <vladkorotnev> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotline_Communications
2012-06-06 18:33 <vladkorotnev> http://hotline.wikia.com/wiki/Clients
2012-06-06 18:33 <vladkorotnev> my iHotline is listed there as well :3
2012-06-06 18:34 <vladkorotnev> however that is a better screenshot http://moreinfo.thebigboss.org/moreinfo/ihotline8.png
2012-06-06 18:35 <whitequark> but WHY?! why would you do that?
2012-06-06 18:36 <vladkorotnev> to revive it
2012-06-06 18:36 <vladkorotnev> ppl are better with their iPhones than going and buying MacOS9 machines for connecting
2012-06-06 18:36 <vladkorotnev> make it more popular, don't let it die :p
2012-06-06 18:36 <kyak> http://preterhuman.net/texts/sensitive_documents/pict12.jpg
2012-06-06 18:37 <kyak> where did they find this crap :)
2012-06-06 18:37 <vladkorotnev> idk
2012-06-06 18:37 <vladkorotnev> i used it only for old software
2012-06-06 18:39 <kyak> http://preterhuman.net/texts/sex/how.fuck.dead <- lol
2012-06-06 18:39 <vladkorotnev> whatchabebrowsin'inthere?lol
2012-06-06 18:40 <vladkorotnev> fun server, isn't it?:P
2012-06-06 18:41 <kyak> Written on July 1, 1986
2012-06-06 18:42 <vladkorotnev> http://preterhuman.net/texts/sex/porn
2012-06-06 18:42 <vladkorotnev> Text porn?
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2012-06-06 18:52 <whitequark> why not?..
2012-06-06 18:55 <whitequark> weird
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