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2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: add relop to struct param, in preparation of merge with struct var (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/fdac542
2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: rename "name" field in struct value to more generic "s", for better sharing (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/061e8f5
2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: use (general) "struct param" to replace (specialized) "struct var" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/c1b6b2a
2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: move basic handling of variables from subex to param (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/4a3e517
2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/db.c: add (somewhat crude) parametric part selection (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/bcf4696
2012-05-22 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/boom.c: add parametric part selection (with option -Q) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/256a096
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2012-05-22 02:30 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/eval.c (decode_mult): also support "G" prefix (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/2014e60
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2012-05-22 05:05 <jyfl987> xiangfu: can i access the on-chip bootrom from nanonote?
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2012-05-22 05:07 <xiangfu> jyfl987, no.
2012-05-22 05:07 <xiangfu> jyfl987, hardcode.
2012-05-22 05:08 <jyfl987> xiangfu: which project do you now working for?
2012-05-22 05:08 <xiangfu> qi-hardware project. :-)
2012-05-22 05:08 <xiangfu> ben nanonote and Milkymist One.
2012-05-22 05:09 <jyfl987> xiangfu: is it possible to let nanonote access network via mobile? gprs/3g
2012-05-22 05:10 <xiangfu> jyfl987, here is one faster solution: you can try to buy a OpenWrt support router that have usb host.
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2012-05-22 05:10 <xiangfu> then you connect nanonote and usb-3g dongle to that router.
2012-05-22 05:11 <jyfl987> nope i mean mobile phone
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2012-05-22 05:15 <xiangfu> jyfl987, then your mobile phone need support USB-HOST and usb-either network.
2012-05-22 05:15 <xiangfu> usb-eithernet
2012-05-22 05:16 <xiangfu> or ben nanonote ---USB--> OpenWrt router(703n mr11u) --WiFi---> Your mobile phone --> 3G --> Internet
2012-05-22 05:17 <jyfl987> not a good idea, why not connect NN to your mobile phone directly?
2012-05-22 05:17 <xiangfu> jyfl987, as I said your mobile phone need support USB-HOST.
2012-05-22 05:20 <jyfl987> i dont know how to check it, but i think modem mobile phone might support that
2012-05-22 05:21 <xiangfu> yes
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2012-05-22 09:44 <cladamw> wpwrak, see http://dpaste.com/751062/
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2012-05-22 09:50 <cladamw> wpwrak, in GUI, how can I select 'marker' frame to add vector ? I found that in my *.fpd, those __0: vec @(-x/2-r-clear, -y/2+r)	__1: vec .(0mm, r) is not within "marker' macro. And surely in GUI screen will get blue background. Of course I can 'manually' copy vectors into frame macro, but I'd like to do this in GUI. What else i can do ? or just use "Swap var&code" ?
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2012-05-22 10:10 <wpwrak> cladamw: you just click on the name ("marker") in the list of frames. then what you do on the right side happens in the marker frame
2012-05-22 10:11 <wpwrak> cladamw: note: if you later click on an item that's in a different frame, fped may change the current frame to the one containing that item
2012-05-22 10:13 <cladamw> so select frame first, then add vector, etc ... at that those vectors would be included in 'marker' ?
2012-05-22 10:14 <wpwrak> when you add vectors, they're always added to the current frame
2012-05-22 10:15 <cladamw> hmm ... need to get used to .... seems the 'start' and 'end' point are hard to click. :(
2012-05-22 10:16 <cladamw> and period of clicking changes frame layer.
2012-05-22 10:16 <wpwrak> but you'll have to connect the "marker" frame first. so you select the frame in which it should be placed, then drag "frame" on the location where its origin should be (the origin is the fat little circle)
2012-05-22 10:17 <wpwrak> so the complete sequence for creating a new frame and then adding things to it is:
2012-05-22 10:17 <wpwrak> 1) "Add frame" on the left side
2012-05-22 10:17 <wpwrak> 2) edit the name of the new frame (default name "_")
2012-05-22 10:17 <wpwrak> 3) select the parent frame
2012-05-22 10:18 <wpwrak> 4) drag the new frame (click and hold the name, then drag it into the canvas) to its starting location
2012-05-22 10:18 <wpwrak> 5) select the new frame (on the left side again)
2012-05-22 10:19 <wpwrak> 6) so to the canvas and add the things you want there, starting from the frame's origin
2012-05-22 10:21 <wpwrak> note that a frame can have multiple parents. e.g., if you have a vector (10, 0) and a vector (-10, 0) in the root frame, you can attach "marker" (or some other frame) to each vectors
2012-05-22 10:21 <cladamw> ah ... seems 3) and 5) i missed or made wrong, alright, i try these 6 steps.
2012-05-22 10:22 <wpwrak> last but not least, the place where you attach a frame is the end of a vector in the parent frame or the parent frame's origin. so you don't have to make a vector (0, 0) to connect something to the origin
2012-05-22 10:22 <wpwrak> (3-5) yes, if you don't attach the frame, then the screen stays dark :)
2012-05-22 10:28 <cladamw> and why Fped generates many filename~#.fpd ?
2012-05-22 10:30 <wpwrak> these are older versions you've saved. that's to make sure that you have backups :)
2012-05-22 10:30 <cladamw> okay.
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2012-05-22 11:17 <LunaVorax> Hello everyone!
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2012-05-22 12:25 <wolfspraul> hi :-)
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2012-05-22 12:39 <qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Re-enable zram and zcache on MIPS. (jz-3.4) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/262b3bc
2012-05-22 12:39 <viric> what is zram/zcache? compressed ram?
2012-05-22 12:39 <mth> yes
2012-05-22 12:39 <viric> uoo
2012-05-22 12:39 <mth> we use it as swap space on the Dingoo
2012-05-22 12:39 <viric> is that on vanilla linux?
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> ah is that a block device? a fs?
2012-05-22 12:40 <mth> it's in staging
2012-05-22 12:40 <mth> zram is a block device
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> nice
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> the dingo has 32MB of ram?
2012-05-22 12:40 <mth> yes, most models do
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> aha
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> hm how fast do snes emulators run there?
2012-05-22 12:40 <viric> I have a gp2x, and they are too slow
2012-05-22 12:40 <mth> the 3.4 kernel made it x86-only, but I looked at the code and the call it needed was available on MIPS too, but with a slightly different name
2012-05-22 12:41 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:41 <mth> depends on the game, some SNES games run at 60 fps, some slower
2012-05-22 12:41 <viric> (I've seen the idff)
2012-05-22 12:41 <viric> 60fps?
2012-05-22 12:41 <mth> but afaik all are at a playable speed
2012-05-22 12:41 <viric> Aren't 25fps enough for the eye?
2012-05-22 12:41 <mth> yes, but the originals run on 60 fps, so that's the holy grail
2012-05-22 12:41 <viric> ahhhh
2012-05-22 12:42 <viric> so anything slower than 60fps will be noticeable
2012-05-22 12:42 <mth> ask Ayla when he returns, he has ported several emulators
2012-05-22 12:42 <mth> if you're very sensitive to it, yes, but in practice everything above 30 fps is good enough
2012-05-22 12:42 <viric> ah ok
2012-05-22 12:42 <viric> I never understood before about wanting 60fps :)
2012-05-22 12:43 <viric> did you do any work for open2x or the gp2x in general?
2012-05-22 12:43 <mth> no, the Dingoo was my first handheld
2012-05-22 12:43 <viric> and the main os for dingo is openwrt?
2012-05-22 12:43 <mth> actually I ordered a Pandora first, but since it was delayed and delayed, I got a Dingoo so I'd actually have something to play with
2012-05-22 12:43 <viric> main, as in most broadly deployed
2012-05-22 12:44 <mth> there is no openwrt for Dingoo
2012-05-22 12:44 <viric> ah
2012-05-22 12:44 <mth> there is the native OS, uCos-II I think
2012-05-22 12:44 <viric> and you are making openwrt work for the dingoo?
2012-05-22 12:44 <mth> and there is the original Dingux (we call it "legacy" now), which is buildroot + ported Ingenic kernel
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2012-05-22 12:44 <viric> or you only update the kernel?
2012-05-22 12:45 <mth> and OpenDingux, which is a more recent buildroot + ported qi-kernel
2012-05-22 12:45 <viric> buildroot = debian?
2012-05-22 12:45 <mth> no, it's a build system for embedded Linux
2012-05-22 12:45 <viric> ah ok
2012-05-22 12:45 <mth> not really a full distro, but it has a decent amount of packages
2012-05-22 12:46 <viric> I wonder if there is gp2x support in mailine linux
2012-05-22 12:46 <mth> I think OpenWRT started as a buildroot fork, or at least adopted its build system as a base
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2012-05-22 12:46 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:47 <mth> we try to get as much as possible included upstream, but the Dingoo specific drivers are not in good enough shape for that yet
2012-05-22 12:47 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:47 <viric> well I meant gp2x this time
2012-05-22 12:47 <mth> I don't know about gp2x
2012-05-22 12:47 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:47 <mth> probably not from GPH, but maybe open2x did?
2012-05-22 12:48 <viric> the open2x repositories fell down some time ago
2012-05-22 12:48 <viric> ah no they are there
2012-05-22 12:49 <viric> hm 2.4 still
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2012-05-22 12:49 <viric> noone ported the gp2x kernel part to 2.6 I imagine
2012-05-22 12:50 <mth> I always try to port our kernel to new mainline releases as soon as possible
2012-05-22 12:50 <viric> great
2012-05-22 12:50 <mth> to avoid getting a backlog and being stuck at an old kernel
2012-05-22 12:50 <viric> 'a backlog'?
2012-05-22 12:51 <mth> delayed maintenance
2012-05-22 12:51 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:51 <mth> "an accumulation of tasks unperformed or materials not processed" according to the dictionary
2012-05-22 12:52 <viric> ahh
2012-05-22 12:52 <mth> going from 2.4 to 3.x is probably a few weeks worth of effort, so it's unlikely someone will do it
2012-05-22 12:52 <mth> but spending a few hours per release is quite feasible
2012-05-22 12:52 <viric> :)
2012-05-22 12:53 <mth> also, if you want to submit patches upstream, you've got to be on a recent release
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2012-05-22 12:54 <viric> clear
2012-05-22 12:54 <viric> well, it could be '2.4 upstream' :)
2012-05-22 12:54 <mth> do they still accept patches other than bugfixes?
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2012-05-22 12:55 <viric> I don't think so
2012-05-22 12:56 <viric> at what linux version linux moved to git?
2012-05-22 12:56 <mth> v2.6.11 is the oldest branch I have in my repo
2012-05-22 12:57 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 12:57 <viric> but I think that's when linux made a new '.git' from scrathc
2012-05-22 12:57 <viric> to avoid using too much disk space
2012-05-22 12:57 <mth> and I have kernel.org history in there, so it should be the oldest existing version in git anywhere
2012-05-22 12:57 <mth> at least the oldest developeed in git, you can import any version of course
2012-05-22 12:58 <mth> I can't imagine maintaining any software without revision control
2012-05-22 12:59 <mth> although Linus hates SVN, I still think SVN is much better than nothing at all
2012-05-22 12:59 <viric> of course
2012-05-22 12:59 <viric> they were using bitkeeper no?
2012-05-22 12:59 <viric> time goes by...
2012-05-22 12:59 <viric> I don't know what did they use before bitkeeper
2012-05-22 13:00 <viric> cvs I imagine.
2012-05-22 13:01 <mth> they used nothing before bitkeeper
2012-05-22 13:01 <mth> just mail + some scripts
2012-05-22 13:02 <viric> I can't believe it
2012-05-22 13:02 <viric> :)
2012-05-22 13:02 <mth> it's true, although I can't understand it either
2012-05-22 13:03 <viric> well, at that time there were almost no DVCS
2012-05-22 13:04 <mth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(software)#History
2012-05-22 13:05 <mth> especially design criterium #1
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2012-05-22 13:06 <mth> for me the distributed nature is not the major selling point of the new systems
2012-05-22 13:07 <mth> but that they treat a commit like the fundamental unit, rather than a tree state
2012-05-22 13:07 <mth> that's what makes merging in SVN so painful: you can only merge differences between two tree states onto a third tree, you cannot merge actual commits
2012-05-22 13:08 <mth> so you lose history when merging
2012-05-22 13:08 <mth> in practice, people have to keep a lot of administration outside of SVN to be able to merge between different branches
2012-05-22 13:08 <viric> it looks like you speak of darcs, and not of git
2012-05-22 13:09 <viric> in git, every 'commit' hash refers to a tree.
2012-05-22 13:09 <mth> darcs was the first system like that, but git takes more or less the same approach
2012-05-22 13:09 <viric> git manages trees
2012-05-22 13:09 <viric> it simply has many tricks to transform one tree to another
2012-05-22 13:09 <viric> (hence, changing commit hashes)
2012-05-22 13:09 <viric> - that's my view of git :)
2012-05-22 13:10 <mth> it changes commit hashes only for cherry-picking afaik
2012-05-22 13:10 <mth> if you merge, you create a merge node that has two parents
2012-05-22 13:11 <viric> any rebase too
2012-05-22 13:11 <viric> Commit Object
2012-05-22 13:11 <viric> The "commit" object links a physical state of a tree with a description of how we got there and why.
2012-05-22 13:11 <viric> http://schacon.github.com/git/user-manual.html#git-concepts
2012-05-22 13:12 <viric> *physical state of a tree*
2012-05-22 13:12 <viric> not like darcs.
2012-05-22 13:12 <viric> - let me add that I don't like git much :)
2012-05-22 13:14 <mth> well, I both like and dislike it ;)
2012-05-22 13:14 <mth> I like what it can do, but I think it is overly complex
2012-05-22 13:14 <viric> yes.
2012-05-22 13:18 <mth> the git commit links a physical state with its history; an SVN commit is just a physical state without history
2012-05-22 13:20 <viric> well, one revision always comes based on the previous revision
2012-05-22 13:20 <mth> yes, but as soon as you merge you only transfer state, not history
2012-05-22 13:21 <viric> well, it knows that you merged and what you merged
2012-05-22 13:22 <mth> it knows the diff you merged, not the commits
2012-05-22 13:26 <viric> well, since 1.5 or 1.6 it has the merge info
2012-05-22 13:27 <mth> ah ok, I haven't used SVN in complex projects recently
2012-05-22 13:27 <viric> but other than that, if you merge branches, it notes what the merge comes from
2012-05-22 13:27 <mth> openMSX uses SVN, but we hardly ever branch
2012-05-22 13:28 <viric> what's openmsx about? :)
2012-05-22 13:28 <viric> an emulator, or an OS for msx?
2012-05-22 13:28 <mth> MSX emulator
2012-05-22 13:28 <mth> we have a custom firmware too, C-BIOS, but that is a separate project
2012-05-22 13:30 <viric> ok
2012-05-22 13:30 <viric> ever run on hw?
2012-05-22 13:30 <mth> yes, we had someone put C-BIOS in an EPROM and it runs fine on real hw
2012-05-22 13:30 <mth> well, the current version does, the early versions did I/O too fast and the video RAM contents would get corrupted
2012-05-22 13:31 <mth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V6Voa_4_lw
2012-05-22 13:31 <viric> :)
2012-05-22 13:32 <viric> great
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2012-05-22 13:34 <mth> hi Ayla
2012-05-22 13:34 <mth> we got zram swap back :)
2012-05-22 13:35 <mth> also, viric was interested in SNES emulation
2012-05-22 13:35 <viric> aha
2012-05-22 13:35 <viric> (for the nanonote, I don't have any dingoo)
2012-05-22 13:35 <mth> that should be just a compile away
2012-05-22 13:37 <Ayla> ah, great
2012-05-22 13:38 <Ayla> I have a build of pocketSNES, but you will need libao
2012-05-22 13:41 <Ayla> mth: you found anything about the logo?
2012-05-22 13:41 <mth> no, I still haven't figured out how it works
2012-05-22 13:46 <Ayla> this might interest you guys: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwNTA
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2012-05-22 16:54 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: meta-variable $ for "previously matched variable" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/3d2eca3
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2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/subst.c (resolve_jump): use pointer comparison instead of strcmp (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/2ce2da5
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: make "again" include the match; make "break" pop the stack (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/bb809b0
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: rename "again" to "continue" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/107280b
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: make the match name after "break" and "continue" optional (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/694d48b
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/: for consistency, make "break/continue $" equivalent to "break/continue" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/4f142c1
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: b2/Makefile: generate dependencies also for YACC- and LEX-generated files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/c9bd26a
2012-05-22 19:21 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: Makefile: generate dependencies also for YACC- and LEX-generated files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6623ae1
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2012-05-22 20:22 <qi-bot> The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120521-1428
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