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Got the new OpenWRT image on the Nanonote. I noticed that the KS7010 driver is included in the Kernel. I see that the iw tools are installed, but I have no ways of using dhclient (or any other dh program) installed. So, How I do connect to a network using the KS7010 card? 2012-05-14 22:19 uwe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-05-14 22:21 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-05-14 22:38 LunaVorax has quit [Quit: Night!] 2012-05-14 22:59 rejon_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-05-14 23:03 does "ip link" show any wireless cards? 2012-05-14 23:12 good morning everybody 2012-05-14 23:12 coffee first :-) 2012-05-14 23:13 kristianpaul: wpwrak : let's take the pcb-diy thread here? feels a little off-topic in #milkymist 2012-05-14 23:13 first I am wondering about (my) goals in this 2012-05-14 23:13 definitely not to kill some time and "do something myself" 2012-05-14 23:13 xwalk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-05-14 23:14 I think my main goals are very fast turnaround (is 4 hours a realistic goal?), and low capital needed (let's say < 1000 USD) 2012-05-14 23:15 now for the first board, maybe an atben clone? or should it be more ambitious and try something new right away? 2012-05-14 23:16 I see lots of holes in the atben pcb - are those all vias? 2012-05-14 23:24 quite probably 2012-05-14 23:24 what else could they be? 2012-05-14 23:25 :-) 2012-05-14 23:25 sure 2012-05-14 23:27 I don't exactly understand what you're planning to do 2012-05-14 23:27 build a doublesided PCB with vias in <4h, with <1000 USD? 2012-05-14 23:28 no no 2012-05-14 23:28 one by one 2012-05-14 23:28 Werner has a nice pcb-making process that I'd like to learn as well and document 2012-05-14 23:29 I think it can come in handy in a variety of situations, especially because of the ability to do quick turnarounds 2012-05-14 23:29 the nicest PCB making process I know is "order it at a professional PCB maker" 2012-05-14 23:29 I just wanted to define the eventual goals, see what timeline and capital expenses werner thinks are realistic 2012-05-14 23:30 order from pcb make is slow and expensive for quick prototypes or experiments 2012-05-14 23:30 pcb maker 2012-05-14 23:30 sounds to me like "building your own primary cells" 2012-05-14 23:30 I'm not trying to convince you 2012-05-14 23:31 when did you last had one made at a pcb maker/ 2012-05-14 23:31 ? 2012-05-14 23:31 err, 7 years ago? 2012-05-14 23:31 alright :-) 2012-05-14 23:31 like 50EUR for a eurocard 2012-05-14 23:31 I second everything DocScrutinizer says 2012-05-14 23:31 I tried to make PCBs for ~half a year, intermittenly 2012-05-14 23:32 best I could do is some 1-side PCBs with abysmal resolution and a lot of failures 2012-05-14 23:32 it's not a 4-hour cheap and stable process 2012-05-14 23:32 no way 2012-05-14 23:32 well, yes, it's kinda cheap, chemicals mostly cost nothing 2012-05-14 23:32 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-05-14 23:32 and you can do it fast after some training, but results will never be stable 2012-05-14 23:32 and drilling holes is a huge PITA 2012-05-14 23:33 the cleaning of colthes, room, waste disposal etc though 2012-05-14 23:33 (unless you have a CNC machine, in which case just drill out all the excess copper. that's how express PCB making works in industry) 2012-05-14 23:33 yep 2012-05-14 23:33 DocScrutinizer: well, that can fit in 4 hours if you try hard. not very convenient anyway, and requires a LOT of tries to master 2012-05-14 23:34 whitequark: when you order a pcb from a factory, how long do you wait until you get it back? 2012-05-14 23:34 do you do that a lot? 2012-05-14 23:34 esp it takes more that 1000 USD for a proper CNC 2012-05-14 23:34 wolfspraul: it depends greatly on where do I live 2012-05-14 23:34 my favorite fab makes a PCB next day and immediately sends it 2012-05-14 23:34 iirc we did wait like 4 days 2012-05-14 23:34 back when I did pusteflipper 2012-05-14 23:34 all for $25 or so per 10 pty 2012-05-14 23:35 but with russian post the turnaround time is 18-25 days 2012-05-14 23:35 mind you, I often need components from digikey too, so I send gerbers to fab and simultaneously buy components 2012-05-14 23:35 yes, you can get them same day, if you're willing to pay for same-day delivery 2012-05-14 23:35 the digikey -> shipito -> express mail route takes roughly the same time 2012-05-14 23:36 DocScrutinizer: I'm talking about a chinese company 2012-05-14 23:36 http://iteadstudio.com 2012-05-14 23:36 sure 2012-05-14 23:36 I only know about Germany 2012-05-14 23:36 wolfspraul: where do you currently live? 2012-05-14 23:36 Beijing 2012-05-14 23:36 oh, then the time will be much less for you 2012-05-14 23:36 maybe next day 2012-05-14 23:37 I don't know how fast exactly chinese post works 2012-05-14 23:37 Ayla has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-05-14 23:37 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dscf3349.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/dscf3350.jpg 2012-05-14 23:37 iteadstudio makes 2- and 4-layer pcbs, they're pretty cheap and fast 2012-05-14 23:37 even same day probably if I had to 2012-05-14 23:38 but anyway we are missing the point. I didn't want to start a coolest nerd of the month who can do the hardest things at home competition or trashtalk. 2012-05-14 23:38 I think we had 5 of those on that eurocard formfactor, and fab cut it up for us, after production 2012-05-14 23:38 so basically 10EUR / PCB 2012-05-14 23:38 wolfspraul: if you just need the work to be done, send it to a fab 2012-05-14 23:38 you won't do better 2012-05-14 23:38 I'm going to document and try out werner's process, because I think it can come in very handy. I have enough experience with making pcbs to know that it's valuable :-) 2012-05-14 23:39 of course that is not the point 2012-05-14 23:39 what is? 2012-05-14 23:40 fast turnaround, for easy tweaking and customization 2012-05-14 23:40 dang, it's been 11 years ago 2012-05-14 23:41 well, I'm pretty sure that you'll fiddle with it for some months, waste a lot of time and eventually decide it's just easier to send to a fab 2012-05-14 23:41 your choice :) 2012-05-14 23:42 so much positive thinking here :-) 2012-05-14 23:42 it's messy, slow, hard and stinky process requiring a lot of skill and not scaling at all 2012-05-14 23:42 just pure pragmatism 2012-05-14 23:42 DocScrutinizer: btw, did you buy these modules? 2012-05-14 23:42 not yet 2012-05-14 23:42 I'm curious what you'll do with them 2012-05-14 23:43 I bought a lenovo T500 today 2012-05-14 23:43 Yep. Shows that "eth0" is a wireless card. 2012-05-14 23:43 :-) 2012-05-14 23:43 ezdagor: cool 2012-05-14 23:43 ezdagor: try "iw eth0 connect $ESSID" 2012-05-14 23:43 and look to dmesg 2012-05-14 23:43 oh, t500 is somewhat ancient, isn't it? 2012-05-14 23:45 I, personally, like how my samsung rc530 compiles kernel in 1.5 minutes. helps when you tweak something in "Kernel hacking" and the buildsystem suddenly decides it needs to rebuild EVERYTHING. 2012-05-14 23:45 or with building android 2012-05-14 23:45 and en passant managed to help maemo-community-ssu on a path that's manageable for the future, regarding repositories, packaging etc 2012-05-14 23:45 hmm? 2012-05-14 23:47 on every huge community foss project, you get those bleeding edge fanboys. You can't stop them from pushing shite like systemd into your project, just for the leetness, but you can give them a playground / sandbox where they won't kill your entire project with their leet new stuff 2012-05-14 23:47 methril has joined #qi-hardware 2012-05-14 23:48 /bin/sh: iw: not found 2012-05-14 23:48 we built this sandbox today 2012-05-14 23:48 resp we disgned it 2012-05-14 23:48 designed* 2012-05-14 23:48 oh, I see that maemo uses upstart too 2012-05-14 23:49 I like it more and back when I maintained my own embedded distro, it was used as initd 2012-05-14 23:49 yup, though this was an example straight from SHR ;-P 2012-05-14 23:50 yeah, I share your opinion on systemd 2012-05-14 23:50 on maemo it's about worlclock, camera, mediaplayer, and even a complete migration of kernel from ARM to THUMB 2012-05-14 23:50 right now 2012-05-14 23:50 what does systemd have to do with instruction set? 2012-05-14 23:50 we provided a playground for all this now, plus all the stuff to come 2012-05-14 23:50 I always thought it depends on your cpu code, and maybe ABI in some cases 2012-05-14 23:51 ahh 2012-05-14 23:51 systemd was an example unrelated to maemo 2012-05-14 23:51 we've seen this initV->systemd migration on SHR recently 2012-05-14 23:52 that's why I took it as an example how things can and will go awry 2012-05-14 23:52 what shr is based on? OE? 2012-05-14 23:52 yup 2012-05-14 23:52 * whitequark removes the bookmark 2012-05-14 23:54 the funny thing is I triggered that whole "sandbox" thing though I basically never contributed any line of code to maemo-cssu 2012-05-14 23:55 so at least there I finally reached my dream position of a mere system architect 2012-05-14 23:55 GNUtoo-desktop has quit [Quit: [INFO] fsogsmd : received signal -11, exiting.]