2012-04-17 00:27 larsc, are you around? 2012-04-17 00:28 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 00:42 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 00:42 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 00:50 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 01:18 [commit] Adam Wang: renamed bnc.* -> rca.* (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/89b4541 2012-04-17 01:42 [commit] Adam Wang: changed pin13 of KSZ8001L to Power output type (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/8066c7c 2012-04-17 01:45 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 01:53 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 02:49 xian9fu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 03:25 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 04:09 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 04:26 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 04:50 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 05:30 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 05:32 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 06:01 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 06:08 Openfree` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 06:11 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 06:54 [commit] Adam Wang: added 4V3 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/7155d6b 2012-04-17 07:12 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:19 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:20 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:27 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:45 rektide_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:46 rektide_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 07:54 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 08:01 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 08:09 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 08:18 [commit] Adam Wang: added zener.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/124917c 2012-04-17 08:29 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 08:35 [commit] Adam Wang: moved R_PACK4 from pptc.lib to r.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/87865af 2012-04-17 09:00 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/genex.c (usage): describe options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/b6b4c99 2012-04-17 09:00 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex: added reading of files containing supplemental descriptions (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/1b7ace9 2012-04-17 09:00 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/genex.c: new option -d to dump the tree instead of making a PDF (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/904a60f 2012-04-17 09:00 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/pdf.c: added printing of comments (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/3f3d957 2012-04-17 09:01 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:01 [commit] Adam Wang: added dc_jack.lib (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f7d5c03 2012-04-17 09:10 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:15 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:38 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:40 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:42 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 09:56 jivs_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 10:12 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 10:18 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 10:25 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 10:40 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 10:45 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/: added example set of comments (on WM9707SCFT/V) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/34095c7 2012-04-17 10:45 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/pdf.c: use central format definition (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/5a8606b 2012-04-17 10:45 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/pdf.c: only use pipe, not stdout in parallel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/a553d58 2012-04-17 10:49 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:02 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/pdf.c: generalized page geometry setup (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/7f0bf74 2012-04-17 11:02 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/pdf.c: changed page orientation from landscape to portrait (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/8e8a3c5 2012-04-17 11:06 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:14 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:17 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:19 hmm. debugging code written while with the flu is fun. 1-2 days of coding, twice that time debugging :-( 2012-04-17 11:19 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:34 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:37 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:45 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 11:55 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex: generate PDF by default; 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I understand now. :-) 2012-04-17 12:56 i still need to do a few more things to make it a bit more user-friendly, though 2012-04-17 12:57 particularly the installation. else, it can't find its scripts and gets a little confused 2012-04-17 12:59 wpwrak, so currently i don't need to appendix in EXPAND file once I create a new symbol now ? All that EXPAND file created by your genex tool, right ? 2012-04-17 12:59 no, EXPAND is an input for genex 2012-04-17 13:00 EXPAND tells it what hierarchy we want 2012-04-17 13:00 so it would be good if you could add new things also to EXPAND 2012-04-17 13:00 i should probably make a script that finds them automatically 2012-04-17 13:03 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 13:03 genex can also include comments. there's an example on the WM9707SCFT/V 2012-04-17 13:03 this example comes from the file http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/eda-tools/source/tree/master/genex/DESC 2012-04-17 13:03 also a very simple format 2012-04-17 13:04 not sure if xiangfu/me will add more symbols or not, but i think just few. so genex is under eda-tools, do i need to be the member under eda-tools, should i ? don't know. :-) 2012-04-17 13:04 to use, you don't need to be a member. if you think you'll need to edit something over there, i'll add you 2012-04-17 13:05 (comments) yes, i saw it. 2012-04-17 13:06 (member) i think no need now. :) 2012-04-17 13:07 what's the real goal for the info of "comments" from /genex/DESC ? 2012-04-17 13:07 just a rough/briefly description for component ? 2012-04-17 13:09 i would use it to indicate the maturity of a component. e.g., "used in schematics", "used in schematics for which a layout has been made", "used in schematics from which a working device has been built' 2012-04-17 13:09 and perhaps also list reviews 2012-04-17 13:10 how about extract those info from Properties from *.dcm ? some of them I filled up in Descriptions within its Properties. :-) 2012-04-17 13:10 it could also contain a description of the component. e.g., the information you've put in the .dcm files. it shouldn't be hard to extract it from there 2012-04-17 13:10 i'd just use the description from there. not add more to .dcm. .dcm isn't convenient to maintain 2012-04-17 13:11 nice, we are in the same page on *.dcm :-) 2012-04-17 13:11 e.g., if you build a new board, you'd have to update the maturity of dozens of components. you don't want to have to edit all those .dcm files ;-) 2012-04-17 13:15 okay. so the goals for "comment" are for e.g., "used in schematics", "used in schematics for which a layout has been made", "used in schematics from which a working device has been built' <<< got it. 2012-04-17 13:17 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 13:17 we should find short words for that. e.g., "DRAFT" for anything that hasn't been used yet, maybe "USED" if it has been used in schematics, not even sure if we need a separate category for layout (i gave that only as an example), and maybe "TESTED" if we have a working circuit 2012-04-17 13:17 this sort of like warehouse(parts) management to let user known which parts are 'used' and 'recommended' a bit. And easy to maintain warehouse. :-) 2012-04-17 13:18 or maybe instead of "TESTED", the name of the circuit. that would be useful in case that circuit doesn't need all the pins 2012-04-17 13:18 yes, and to indicate how much they can trust a component :) 2012-04-17 13:19 in the kicad sense, i.e., "symbol" 2012-04-17 13:19 unless we've built a device, there could be all sort of bugs. particularly in the smaller components. SOT-23 with the wrong numbers and such :) 2012-04-17 13:21 okay... in my mind. they are "USED in m1r4", "USED in avt2, atben, atusb" 2012-04-17 13:23 some if the old ones were even TESTED in a number of projects :) 2012-04-17 13:24 we should use parts as commodity rather than added interminable components future. 2012-04-17 13:24 lemme add a few of my experimental parts ... 2012-04-17 13:24 yeah...this info is good for users. 2012-04-17 13:24 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 13:26 but like i said that even the tools are great, but we should not have info to let user feeling that parts can be added forever, we want those common parts as possible. well ... even parts are depends on applications though. :-) 2012-04-17 13:28 btw, i think you need to commit bnc.lib 2012-04-17 13:29 yeah.... but since I found that symbol i built is actually a RCA symbol, so i removed bnc symbol there. :-) 2012-04-17 13:30 once someone build a board with BNC then copy it from KiCad's system lib. :-) 2012-04-17 13:32 wpwrak, i need go out now. night ~ 2012-04-17 13:32 ah, then i'll remove bnc.lib gfrom the .pro 2012-04-17 13:33 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: added a bunch of experimental components (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/00b7d62 2012-04-17 13:34 wpwrak, wait . that bnc.lib should be rca.lib :-) 2012-04-17 13:34 updated kicad-libs-components.pdf 2012-04-17 13:36 to use git rm bnc.lib ? 2012-04-17 13:37 no, there's no bnc.lib 2012-04-17 13:38 phew~ my brain gets stuck now. :-) 2012-04-17 13:39 wpwrak, night. 2012-04-17 13:40 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/components.pro: renamed "bnc" to "rca" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/800da2b 2012-04-17 13:40 there, fixed :) 2012-04-17 13:53 [commit] Xiangfu: add CONN_5, CONN_7X2 and MEMCARD8 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/6f376ee 2012-04-17 13:58 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 13:59 [commit] Xiangfu: change CONN_5 to CONN_4, add ./con to .pro file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/aec1456 2012-04-17 14:12 rektide has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:13 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:18 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:25 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:26 mth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:29 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:40 [commit] Xiangfu: con.lib: CONN_4: add more space between pins (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5e24059 2012-04-17 14:40 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 14:59 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:08 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:15 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:20 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:35 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:36 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:43 Martix has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 15:45 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 16:42 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 17:08 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 17:19 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 17:29 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 17:55 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:25 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:36 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:37 qi-bot has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:43 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:46 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:47 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 18:49 antgreen has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 19:27 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 19:31 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 19:31 Hello everyone! 2012-04-17 19:42 hi! :-) 2012-04-17 19:50 Hi 2012-04-17 20:42 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 21:08 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/Makefile: add "spotless" target (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/41448e8 2012-04-17 21:08 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/Makefile: add dependency generation (.d method) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/40a76e1 2012-04-17 21:09 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/: "genex" is now a wrapper that sets PATH, then calls genex-bin (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/fff142c 2012-04-17 21:09 [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex: added install/uninstall targets and wrapper generator (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/54ecc10 2012-04-17 21:14 losinggeneration has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 22:00 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 22:10 projects.qi-hardware.com down ? 2012-04-17 22:42 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 22:53 wpwrak: it won't load for me either (DNS works, timeout on HTTP) 2012-04-17 22:57 wolfspraul: are you "playing" ? :) 2012-04-17 23:06 hmm 2012-04-17 23:16 alright :-) 2012-04-17 23:16 qi-bot has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-17 23:23 thanks ! :) 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: added dual_trans.lib, with pre-biased Panasonic XP series BJTs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/95b8394 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/dual_diode.dcm: we even have descriptions ! (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/af949dc 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: add ft232rl.lib (from f32xbase/c2usb) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/c418be1 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: components from wernermisc/labsw (opto-couplers, a relay) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/d13404a 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: add sw4.lib from wernermisc/f10 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/7b46af4 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: 74hc04-3.lib from wernermisc/zprobe (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/4f3b57a 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/: components from ben-wpan (antenna, xtal, AT86RF23x, and balun) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/b68ddec 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: components/EXPAND: updated for new components (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0dae7f1 2012-04-17 23:23 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:kicad-libs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/994e3a8 2012-04-17 23:35 sorry about that 2012-04-17 23:35 I'm badly behind server maintenance work, the only good thing is that usage is down so problems are also down :-) 2012-04-17 23:36 but we break out of that 2012-04-17 23:36 ;-)