2012-04-13 00:09 the boundary is where something works best 2012-04-13 00:09 I think 'our own chipfab' is at least a factor 10E3 too huge a chunk for any community to bite and chew 2012-04-13 00:09 in other words - if a chipmaker (designer or foundry) can make a great chip today, that leverages software that we know well, then that's a chip we want to use 2012-04-13 00:10 DocScrutinizer51: sure, and it's nonsense if you know how diverse the "chipmaker" industry is 2012-04-13 00:10 I think practical, we know certain software best, and we are looking for ways to make that software shine in peoples lives 2012-04-13 00:10 I don't plan to work on a phd in physics the next few years 2012-04-13 00:11 neither do I plan to "recreate" what millions of people have worked on the last 60 years, aka "the semiconductor industry" 2012-04-13 00:11 but I think we can become much smarter in picking the right chips, yeah :-) 2012-04-13 00:11 that for sure 2012-04-13 00:11 I'm still mostly blind there, maybe some rays of light reaching me slowly 2012-04-13 00:11 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 00:12 good morning everybody btw 2012-04-13 00:12 moo 2012-04-13 00:13 DocScrutinizer51: you still shed tears for Nokia? 2012-04-13 00:13 :-) 2012-04-13 00:13 * whitequark looks at the window and recalls UGT 2012-04-13 00:13 no, not for Nokia 2012-04-13 00:13 I somehow think they can't get out of that trap anymore, let's hope it's a large corp and they have some huge invisible growth opportunities somewhere 2012-04-13 00:14 we need to speed up and make devices that are better at mobile communication :-) 2012-04-13 00:14 rubber dhingi 2012-04-13 00:14 what 2012-04-13 00:15 nokia's next field of excellence 2012-04-13 00:15 building rubber boots boats 2012-04-13 00:16 tires 2012-04-13 00:18 DocScrutinizer51: what phone do you use right now? 2012-04-13 00:24 N900 2012-04-13 00:25 aka rover aka rx_51 2012-04-13 00:26 antgreen has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 00:27 that's why I contribute to CSSU that's why I asked for alternatives to mtools 2012-04-13 00:28 lemme see... 2012-04-13 00:28 ~cssu 2012-04-13 00:28 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU 2012-04-13 00:28 GeorgeH has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 00:32 ah updating is good 2012-04-13 00:32 I hope some generally usable libraries or packages come out of that, not just a huge mess tied to one distro 2012-04-13 00:36 wolfspraul: that depends on your metrics 2012-04-13 00:38 while CSSU is also trying to be as much main/upstream as possible, our main goal is keeping maemo for N900 in a usable state 2012-04-13 00:38 doesn't mean we'd not feed upstream with bugfixes, e.g. for gnome-vfs 2012-04-13 00:39 to mention one example of last 2 days 2012-04-13 00:39 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 00:39 but for obvious reasons this project isn't much involved in creating new libs 2012-04-13 00:42 ok, got it 2012-04-13 00:42 I'm always interested in where new packaging and update mechanisms emerge 2012-04-13 00:45 then probably meego-harmattan and mer/nemo is more your focus 2012-04-13 00:45 they all are OBSed now ;-D 2012-04-13 00:46 OBS? 2012-04-13 00:46 Opensuse build service (aiui) seems is the hot new shit now 2012-04-13 00:47 they came up with 'buildyour own distro at a mouseclick' some 2 or 3 years ag 2012-04-13 00:48 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 00:48 now they offer building $whatever for $your-target 2012-04-13 00:48 aiui 2012-04-13 00:49 absolutely not my domain 2012-04-13 00:49 so all just what I heard occasionally 2012-04-13 00:49 I don't understand 2012-04-13 00:49 they offer build as a paid service? free service? 2012-04-13 00:50 free 2012-04-13 00:50 hmm 2012-04-13 00:50 and maybe now even the buoildhost sw 2012-04-13 00:50 ok 2012-04-13 00:50 really, no clue 2012-04-13 00:51 check out #mer and #harmattan and what they do for buiing/pkging 2012-04-13 00:52 maybe OBS is sth completely different than opensse build server/service, and I'm telling BS 2012-04-13 00:54 I just wait until more generally usable libraries or packages emerge :-) 2012-04-13 00:56 Idon't get your definition of this 2012-04-13 01:01 anyway, on my walk back home 2012-04-13 01:01 bbl 2012-04-13 01:28 do you mean alternatives to apt/dpkg resp zypper/rpm? 2012-04-13 01:30 .s/zypper/yum/ 2012-04-13 01:32 not 2012-04-13 01:36 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 01:37 no 'alternatives' but more options to update running systems, yes 2012-04-13 01:47 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 01:56 [commit] Adam Wang: changed AP2142ASG-13's package 8-SOIC to SO-8 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/af618b2 2012-04-13 01:56 [commit] Adam Wang: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:wernermisc (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ef5fa7e 2012-04-13 02:25 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 02:57 [commit] Xiangfu: new package libzip (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a7dc528 2012-04-13 02:57 [commit] Xiangfu: bard: DEPENDS, add libzip for EPUB support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/bed9012 2012-04-13 03:06 [commit] Xiangfu: gmenu2x icon: remvoe pickpdf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0ee9b4d 2012-04-13 03:11 rozzin has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-04-13 03:11 ooh, update running system - a rather ambitious task 2012-04-13 04:04 AwAyla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 04:28 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 04:45 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 05:41 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 05:58 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:14 cladamw_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:24 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:35 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:42 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:43 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:45 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 06:55 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 07:43 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 07:55 [commit] Xiangfu: Revert "add common.lib include R, C, LED" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/422df1b 2012-04-13 07:59 naw, we should replace the kicad libs. they're too unreliable. 2012-04-13 08:00 they change slowly over time and there's no telling what someone has installed on their system 2012-04-13 08:03 wpwrak, Hi. 2012-04-13 08:03 why you add './' to the 'components.pro' Library? 2012-04-13 08:04 wpwrak, oh. 2012-04-13 08:04 wpwrak, so you advice we add our 'common.lib'? 2012-04-13 08:06 (./) i think relative paths didn't work without ./ in earlier versions 2012-04-13 08:06 now it seems that they do 2012-04-13 08:06 ok. 2012-04-13 08:07 yes, we should make our own library of basic parts. in most cases, we can just adapt the default library. some parts need font size or line width changes. a few are very ugly and need redrawing, though 2012-04-13 08:08 e.g., most/all the power symbols have a font that's too tiny 2012-04-13 08:08 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 08:08 wpwrak, ok. got it. 2012-04-13 08:08 wpwrak, so I needs revert again. :) 2012-04-13 08:08 git revert revert ;-) 2012-04-13 08:14 wpwrak, 'git revert revert' done. 2012-04-13 08:18 wpwrak, do you we should use one 'device.lib' as base? 2012-04-13 08:18 wpwrak, use device.lib overwrite this common.lib. then we start to edit it little by little. 2012-04-13 08:19 overwrite the 'kicad-libs/components/common.lib' 2012-04-13 08:36 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 09:36 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 09:49 whitequark has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 10:00 jivs_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 10:17 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 10:35 AwAyla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 11:04 I'm surpised how many chinese electronic companies want to work with Russia, I just got back from ExpoElectronica and there was like 30% of panels having "seeking for representative" label. 2012-04-13 11:08 they want to work with everybody 2012-04-13 11:11 JCGsp has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 11:13 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 11:21 Hi everyone out there 2012-04-13 11:28 jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 11:41 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 11:48 the .sh on the debian 6 image used to compile openwrt updates the source? 2012-04-13 11:58 whitequark: how can i force using rndis in linux rather than cdc ethernet? 2012-04-13 11:59 i tried to preload rndis_host before connecting Ben, but it still selects CDC Ethernet (ECM) config 2012-04-13 12:06 JCGsp has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-04-13 12:32 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 12:49 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 13:48 kyak: afaik it's a compile time option 2012-04-13 14:16 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 14:23 mth: no, it's not like that.. there are two configurations and the driver choses one of them 2012-04-13 14:24 when i plug it into windows, it choses rndis 2012-04-13 14:24 but when i plug it into linux, it choses cdc 2012-04-13 14:24 and i can't make it choose rndis when i plug it into linux 2012-04-13 14:41 Ayla has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-04-13 14:46 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 15:05 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 15:17 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 15:17 what's the patent-situation with gif by the way? 2012-04-13 15:17 is it free to use and distribute (now)? 2012-04-13 15:19 I would think so :-) 2012-04-13 15:19 that sounds like a question for computer historians :-) 2012-04-13 15:21 according to wikipedia, the last known patents expired in 2004 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gif 2012-04-13 15:21 ah, ok - cool 2012-04-13 15:21 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 15:35 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 15:45 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 16:17 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 17:16 [commit] Paul Cercueil: Removed the "wrapper" feature. 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(master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e6ca072 2012-04-13 17:20 Hello everyone! 2012-04-13 17:24 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 17:43 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 18:39 rikard has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 20:08 Martix has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 20:14 Martix has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 20:36 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 20:58 antgreen has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 21:40 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 21:46 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 22:06 kyak: just unload & blacklist the cdc-ecm driver 2012-04-13 22:12 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 22:14 qwebirc91882 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 22:15 I serached irc log for "zpu" only found one line from 2010. so maybe it is ok to ask this: 2012-04-13 22:16 what do people think of http://www.alvie.com/zpuino/index.html ?? thanks in advance. 2012-04-13 22:18 s/sera/sear/ 2012-04-13 22:18 s/sera/sear/ 2012-04-13 22:58 Fallenou_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 23:01 Ayla_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 23:05 uwe__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-04-13 23:55 The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120412-1915