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2012-04-11 01:43 <pabs3> more open hardware folks: https://lwn.net/Articles/491515/
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2012-04-11 04:38 <qi-bot> The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120409-2355 
2012-04-11 05:05 <kyak> yeah!
2012-04-11 05:08 <kyak> mth: thanks, i'll try the fix
2012-04-11 05:13 <kyak> jow_laptop: i agree with what you said about the toolchain name.. i added your comment to https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/11264
2012-04-11 05:24 <wolfspraul> I regret a little that we stopped working on the atben/atusb casing
2012-04-11 05:24 <wolfspraul> that asks for resurrection :-)
2012-04-11 05:25 <wolfspraul> I just want to embed the whole thing in a blob of epoxy or so. or a transparent plastic/glue, then you can still see the innards. it should not deteriorate the rf performance though.
2012-04-11 05:26 <xiangfu> kyak, this build is for release 
2012-04-11 05:26 <kyak> wolfspraul: having atusb upstream would be so much nicer than a casing!
2012-04-11 05:27 <xiangfu> downloading...
2012-04-11 05:27 <kyak> xiangfu: yea, this looks good for release.. most fallouts have been fixed
2012-04-11 05:28 <xiangfu> kyak, Hi. since you have the directvnc. do you have the Makefile already? I would like try directvnc here. 
2012-04-11 05:28 <kyak> yes, i got the Makefile
2012-04-11 05:29 <kyak> should i commit or rather upload it somewhere? it builds and runs, but the screen is mangled
2012-04-11 05:29 <xiangfu> kyak, do you think if a normal openwrt router can running a vnc server?
2012-04-11 05:29 <xiangfu> kyak, commit is better.
2012-04-11 05:30 <xiangfu> kyak, it builds and runs. better then those @BROKEN packages. :-)
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2012-04-11 05:30 <kyak> xiangfu: i didn't see any vnc servers ported to openwrt so far.. i also think that X11 is a requirement
2012-04-11 05:30 <kyak> which may be problematic for routers
2012-04-11 05:31 <xiangfu> ok. 
2012-04-11 05:31 <xiangfu> just asking. 
2012-04-11 05:31 <xiangfu> if there is vnc server running on openwrt router. then Ben Nanonote can be used as 'Monitor' :-)
2012-04-11 05:32 <xiangfu> be back later. 
2012-04-11 05:32 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: directvnc: initial port (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/96cd146
2012-04-11 05:32 <wolfspraul> kyak: what can we do? [atusb upstream]
2012-04-11 05:32 <wolfspraul> let's break it down into smaller tasks
2012-04-11 05:33 <wolfspraul> don't underestimate the casing though, I think the current bare-pcb makes the boards essentially unusable, confining them to a lab-only developer desk
2012-04-11 05:33 <wolfspraul> every time I even carry them around I have to take special precautions
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2012-04-11 05:34 <kyak> wolfspraul: ressurect the atusb software development :) i might be mistaken, but i think it is currently in a half-tested stage, and not able to compile as kernel module (only monolitically).. when it's nice and clean and working and tested, then it perhaps can be accepted by upstream
2012-04-11 05:35 <kyak> and helping with atusb driver development is beyond my limits/knowledge.. so i could only help by testing
2012-04-11 05:36 <wolfspraul> yes, ok. let's see.
2012-04-11 05:37 <wolfspraul> my use case here would probably be that I have an atusb in an openwrt-based router, and atben in the Ben
2012-04-11 05:37 <wolfspraul> (for networking)
2012-04-11 05:37 <wolfspraul> that should be super easy to setup and get to work
2012-04-11 05:37 <wolfspraul> *should* :-)
2012-04-11 05:37 <wolfspraul> agreed? is that the use case we are targeting?
2012-04-11 05:39 <kyak> yeah, putting atusb in openwrt router is the use case.. putting atusb in a laptop from time to time is also a use case
2012-04-11 05:40 <kyak> the latest commit in ben-wpan-stefan is from 25 Sep 2011. .this is the problem
2012-04-11 05:40 <wolfspraul> that's probably a little harder to achieve initially, so I'd rather target openwrt on the other side first
2012-04-11 05:40 <wolfspraul> sure, it's, let's say, "on hold" :-)
2012-04-11 05:41 <kyak> so you mean, upstream it to openwrt, then perhaps it will find its way to upstream kernel.. sounds good
2012-04-11 05:41 <wolfspraul> not 'perhaps', but yes
2012-04-11 05:41 <kyak> ok, 'yes' :)
2012-04-11 05:41 <wolfspraul> I am thinking about the shortest path to a practical use case
2012-04-11 05:41 <wolfspraul> I want to use this thing
2012-04-11 05:41 <wolfspraul> NOW!
2012-04-11 05:41 <wolfspraul> :-)
2012-04-11 05:42 <wolfspraul> (other than looking at it, which is a start but not enough :-))
2012-04-11 05:43 <wolfspraul> and like I said I think I also want to experiment with some casing
2012-04-11 05:43 <wolfspraul> probably in the form of an epoxy or glue blob
2012-04-11 05:43 <wolfspraul> yes it takes away 'hackability', but what exactly would one want to do?
2012-04-11 05:43 <wolfspraul> so it makes more sense to document some good materials and how to exactly get it sealed, and impact on RF performance
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2012-04-11 06:29 <xiangfu> kyak, the build host mplayer still have faad2. :( http://pastebin.com/W1JdwxtD
2012-04-11 06:29 <xiangfu> kyak, I try to disable it under './configure' 
2012-04-11 06:30 <xiangfu> re-generate the rootfs now. 
2012-04-11 06:31 <kyak> argh
2012-04-11 06:31 <wolfspraul> don't worry, be happy
2012-04-11 06:31 <kyak> maybe just add faad2 to rootfs?
2012-04-11 06:31 <wolfspraul> kyak: have you found any time to play with your milkymist board?
2012-04-11 06:31 <xiangfu> kyak, it's patent package.
2012-04-11 06:32 <kyak> really? oh..
2012-04-11 06:32 <xiangfu> it's for AAC. mpeg-4
2012-04-11 06:33 <kyak> wolfspraul: not yet really.. but it's on my desk in front of me, so i won't forget :) just need some time
2012-04-11 06:34 <xiangfu> kyak, how to find out the ./configure option. ./configure --help give me nothing .
2012-04-11 06:34 <kyak> lemme have a look..
2012-04-11 06:35 <wolfspraul> excellent!
2012-04-11 06:36 <wolfspraul> the fpga is really a new angle/dimension to think of, so having it there for a while is good
2012-04-11 06:40 <kyak> xiangfu: --disable-faad should do the trick
2012-04-11 06:41 <kyak> i think this can be put into CONFIGURE_ARGS under the else for CONFIG_BUILD_PATENTED
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2012-04-11 06:53 <xiangfu> kyak, v
2012-04-11 06:53 <xiangfu> unrecognized options: --disable-faad
2012-04-11 07:04 <xiangfu> kyak, easy way is just './scripts/feeds uninstall faad2' :)
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2012-04-11 07:19 <xwalk> Can anyone assist me in the process of hooking up the Ben Nanonote to a Fedora Machine through usb? I can ssh into the Nanonote no problem, but I can't seem to get a ping sent from the Nanonote to a web address (e.g. google.com).
2012-04-11 07:29 <kyak> xiangfu: some package pulls that faad2 as a dependency, i guess
2012-04-11 07:31 <kyak> xwalk: did you follow instructions in http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB ?
2012-04-11 07:35 <kyak> xiangfu: it doesn't complain for --disable-faad for me..
2012-04-11 07:35 <xiangfu> kyak, ok. then we also add this to makefile. 
2012-04-11 07:36 <xiangfu> kyak, I driect test this option under build_dir/.../mplayer.../
2012-04-11 07:37 <kyak> xiangfu: better add this to Makefile and make package/mplayer/{clean,compile} V=99
2012-04-11 07:38 <kyak> then i see faad2 in disabled codecs
2012-04-11 07:38 <kyak> at the end of configure process
2012-04-11 07:38 <xiangfu> great. 
2012-04-11 07:39 <xiangfu> I am re-generate the rootfs now... after (./scriptfs/feeds uninstall faad)
2012-04-11 07:39 <kyak> do yo umean clean rebuild?
2012-04-11 07:39 <xiangfu> no. no.
2012-04-11 07:40 <xiangfu> not make clean. just make for re-generate the rootfs and packages.
2012-04-11 07:40 <kyak> hm
2012-04-11 07:40 <kyak> this might be not sufficient, as ./scriptfs/feeds uninstall faad doesn't remove the faad2 headers/libs
2012-04-11 07:41 <kyak> very strange, as faad2 depends on BUILD_PATENDED
2012-04-11 07:41 <kyak> how did it even get built?
2012-04-11 07:41 <xiangfu> make package/faad/clean && ./scripts/feeds uninstall faad. 
2012-04-11 07:41 <xiangfu> strange.
2012-04-11 07:41 <kyak> yes, this should work.. but then again, why is it even there
2012-04-11 07:42 <xiangfu> strange.
2012-04-11 07:42 <xiangfu> bug somewhere.
2012-04-11 07:42 <kyak> i don't see faad anywhere in config as well
2012-04-11 07:43 <kyak> it should not have been built
2012-04-11 07:43 <kyak> it's not in resulting packages as well
2012-04-11 07:47 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: mplayer: disable faad explicitely (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e07e941
2012-04-11 07:53 <kyak> it seems that CONFIG_ALL makes it so that all packages are built; but only those packages not depending on BUILD_PATENTED are actually installed (i.e. actual ipk created).
2012-04-11 07:54 <kyak> by looking into build log i see that libfaad2 is built, but no ipk is created with "WARNING: skipping libfaad2 -- package not selected"
2012-04-11 07:55 <kyak> this is pretty strange.. i would say that BUILD_PATENTED must be stronger than CONFIG_ALL
2012-04-11 07:55 <xiangfu> make sense. 
2012-04-11 07:55 <xiangfu> report bug again :)
2012-04-11 07:56 <kyak> so we need to disable shit very explicitely..
2012-04-11 07:57 <kyak> there are other packages that exhibit the same behaviour
2012-04-11 07:58 <kyak> ah...
2012-04-11 07:58 <kyak> i think i get it now
2012-04-11 07:58 <kyak> package pianobar has libfaad2 as PKG_BUILD_DEPENDS
2012-04-11 07:59 <xiangfu> so BUILD_PATENTED must be stronger than  PKG_BUILD_DEPENDS and all others. 
2012-04-11 08:00 <kyak> indeed
2012-04-11 08:04 <kyak> the problem in this particular case is that the package pianobar provides several packages, like 'pianobar' and 'libpiano'; and only 'pianobar' depends on libfaad2, but 'libpiano' doesn't depend on anything patented, so it gets build. And it leads to building of packages in PKG_BUILD_DEPENDS, which has faad2
2012-04-11 08:05 <kyak> in principal, this particular package is just poorly packaged
2012-04-11 08:05 <kyak> but there might be more packages like that
2012-04-11 08:08 <kyak> it could also mean that some other ipk's might require patented libraries as well, because they were present at build time, but (luckily) ipk's for these libraries are not built anyway
2012-04-11 08:09 <kyak> so we are not limited to mplayer problem
2012-04-11 08:11 <xiangfu> true.
2012-04-11 08:12 <xiangfu> kyak, please report a bug to upstream since you already dig such information 
2012-04-11 08:13 <wolfspraul> I think dependency issues are potentially and in reality infinite. so I would try to clean them up carefully on an as-needed basis
2012-04-11 08:13 <kyak> ok..
2012-04-11 08:14 <wolfspraul> rather than trying to fix "them all", which must be the ultimate job for sysiphos
2012-04-11 08:14 <wolfspraul> but little by little we can make the dependencies both more accurate and flexible at the same time, sure
2012-04-11 08:15 <kyak> that's quite true
2012-04-11 08:15 <kyak> find the bug - fix the bug :)
2012-04-11 08:18 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote buils scripts file: add patch-openwrt.sh (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/caa7c09
2012-04-11 08:18 <xwalk> kyak: Sorry for the delayed response. At work showing a new employee the ropes. Yes, I certainly did.
2012-04-11 08:18 <xwalk> kyak: I made sure I am using wicd as well.
2012-04-11 08:21 <xiangfu> Fedora have some default rules at 'iptables'
2012-04-11 08:22 <xiangfu> xwalk, you may just disable all iptables. then add iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.254.0/24
2012-04-11 08:22 <xiangfu> and sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
2012-04-11 08:22 <xiangfu> xwalk, then your nanonote should able to access Internet.
2012-04-11 08:26 <xwalk> Is removing the iptables service going to need a reboot to take effect?
2012-04-11 08:26 <xiangfu> xwalk, iptables -F should be ok.
2012-04-11 08:27 <kyak> xiangfu: https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/11266 (lots of letters)
2012-04-11 08:27 <xwalk> xiangfu: Got it working. Thank you very much. =)
2012-04-11 08:27 <xwalk> kyak: Thank you as well.
2012-04-11 08:28 <xiangfu> kyak, thanks 
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2012-04-11 10:44 <cladamw> xiangfu, nice now, you can back up me. ;-)
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2012-04-11 11:06 <DocScrutinizer> tsunami warning cancelled
2012-04-11 11:08 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: in nuernberg ? that must be a big one
2012-04-11 11:08 <DocScrutinizer> bwahaha
2012-04-11 11:10 <DocScrutinizer> I raely spam IRC with nuernberg local news
2012-04-11 11:11 <wpwrak> so it's a global tsunami ? even scarier
2012-04-11 11:11 <DocScrutinizer> at least not the "global" channels of IRC
2012-04-11 11:11 <DocScrutinizer> nah, only indian ocean, like 2004
2012-04-11 11:12 <DocScrutinizer> so 'only' a few millions affected
2012-04-11 11:12 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly *global*
2012-04-11 11:18 <DocScrutinizer> a global tsunami would mean either a) yellowstone exploded and took USA with it, or b) some meteorite size in km-range hit some ocean. In both cases I think you couldn't globally cancel the tsunami warning
2012-04-11 11:19 <wpwrak> well, sometimes meteorite trajectories get mis-calculated
2012-04-11 11:40 <DocScrutinizer> aftershock quake 8.1, tsunami warning still extended by 2 hours
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2012-04-11 12:11 <qwebirc39331> anyway of upgrading all openwrt packages from nanonote?
2012-04-11 12:14 <xiangfu> qwebirc39331, Hi
2012-04-11 12:14 <qwebirc39331> Hi
2012-04-11 12:15 <xiangfu> qwebirc39331, first you needs make sure the nanonote connect to Internet: openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120409-2355
2012-04-11 12:16 <xiangfu> qwebirc39331, I think so far no one have tried to upgrading all packages. 
2012-04-11 12:16 <qwebirc39331> a new image? so I hace to use usbboot instead?
2012-04-11 12:17 <xiangfu> usbboot is faster.
2012-04-11 12:17 <qwebirc39331> I was trying to use a command I saw on a website, but didn't work.
2012-04-11 12:18 <xiangfu> qwebirc39331, you mean usbboot?
2012-04-11 12:19 <xiangfu> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software
2012-04-11 12:20 <qwebirc39331> no, the command I saw was " opkg upgrade  'list-upgradable' "
2012-04-11 12:20 <qwebirc39331> also, where can I find a pygame package?
2012-04-11 12:57 <DocScrutinizer> "tsunami aftershock not causing any tsunami either" says German TV ZDF correspondent Peter Kunz
2012-04-11 12:58 <DocScrutinizer> err
2012-04-11 12:58 <DocScrutinizer> "aftershock earthquake not causing any tsunami either" says German TV ZDF correspondent Peter Kunz
2012-04-11 12:58 <xiangfu> hmm... we have some base components on board-qi-avt2 and milkymist 
2012-04-11 12:59 <xiangfu> like testpoint.
2012-04-11 12:59 <xiangfu> Now we have kicad-libs. should add all the components we used to that repo. 
2012-04-11 13:00 <wolfspraul> sure you can clean that up, - BUT - only if we can keep the quality up
2012-04-11 13:00 <wolfspraul> if it's a blind copy/paste activity then maybe let's wait until we really use those parts
2012-04-11 13:00 <xiangfu> yes. 
2012-04-11 13:00 <wolfspraul> the #1 problem of kicad libraries is low quality imho
2012-04-11 13:00 <xiangfu> agree. I will copy the testpoint first. since I start to need that.
2012-04-11 13:00 <wolfspraul> good
2012-04-11 13:03 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: add testpoint (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/a7b0a8b
2012-04-11 13:05 <xiangfu> sorry. what you mean "low quality" ? leak feature?
2012-04-11 13:05 <wolfspraul> incomplete, buggy
2012-04-11 13:05 <wolfspraul> the parts I mean
2012-04-11 13:05 <xiangfu> ok.
2012-04-11 13:08 <Fallenou> kyak: not sure if X11 is required by VNC server, I've seen it working on an Android plateform without X11. Android was just using the OMAP3 framebuffer (omapfb) in /dev/graphics/fb0
2012-04-11 13:08 <Fallenou> so I guess there is a way of using VNC server with a framebuffer
2012-04-11 13:09 <viric> the vnc server is an X11 server
2012-04-11 13:10 <viric> (at least the traditional Xvnc)
2012-04-11 13:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: add common.lib include R, C, LED (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/75a4fba
2012-04-11 13:46 <xiangfu> wpwrak, adam please check the NORFlash sheet. I just finished it. 
2012-04-11 13:47 <xiangfu> I am not sure on junction. please give some advice. 
2012-04-11 13:47 <xiangfu> check log tomorrow.
2012-04-11 13:50 <wpwrak> hmm, LibDir is a bit of a problem
2012-04-11 13:50 <wpwrak> if you have /home/qi/kicad-libs  and /home/qi/board-m1, then the components aren't found
2012-04-11 13:51 <wpwrak> (substitute /home/qi for anything you like)
2012-04-11 13:52 <wpwrak> and yes, shorting all the FLASH_{RESET*,etc.} lines together doesn't look right :)
2012-04-11 13:52 <wpwrak> you also picked A3 paper. does everyone around here have an A3 printer ?
2012-04-11 13:53 <wolfspraul> I think we should merge those styles & units things into a file in the repo, no?
2012-04-11 13:53 <wolfspraul> and remove it from the wiki
2012-04-11 13:54 <wpwrak> yes, there should be a proper manual
2012-04-11 13:55 <wpwrak> not sure how to deal with the current flurry of changes, though. my current plan is to wait until adam runs out of steam and then start fixing things :)
2012-04-11 13:56 <wolfspraul> well it's better to discuss early
2012-04-11 13:56 <wolfspraul> or wait until the current status has reached consensus quality level
2012-04-11 13:57 <wpwrak> LibDir has an easy solution. good :)
2012-04-11 13:57 <wolfspraul> are any of the things you see being done a waste of time and need to be redone?
2012-04-11 13:57 <wolfspraul> as long as we are lifting each other up that's ok. but if someone goes in a wrong direction we should notify early.
2012-04-11 13:58 <wpwrak> there are several font size issues
2012-04-11 13:58 <wpwrak> i'm also not very happy with naming negated signals FOO#
2012-04-11 13:59 <wpwrak> the pin number in TPxx is useless. there's only one anyway.
2012-04-11 14:00 <wpwrak> sheet size is probably the worst time-wasting risk
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2012-04-11 14:37 <roh> re
2012-04-11 14:52 <kyak> Fallenou: are you sure what you've seen wasn't vnc client
2012-04-11 14:53 <kyak> ?
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2012-04-11 15:10 <Fallenou> kyak: it was a VNC server running on an Android gadget
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2012-04-11 15:30 <kyak> Fallenou: probably something like that: http://code.google.com/p/fastdroid-vnc/
2012-04-11 15:31 <kyak> don't see how it can be done on a router though.. first need to implement some kind of virtual framebuffer device?
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2012-04-11 15:34 <Fallenou> well yes you need what you want to share through VNC to be drawned in a framebuffer
2012-04-11 15:35 <Fallenou> the vnc server I've seen was some proprietary official vnc server
2012-04-11 15:35 <Fallenou> which needed a license
2012-04-11 15:37 <Fallenou> but it seems you have found a project which support android framebuffer which is nice :)
2012-04-11 15:37 <Fallenou> will it support other framebuffers ... for your router ... dunno
2012-04-11 15:41 <Fallenou> the code seems to be rather generic, it should work with any other framebuffer I think
2012-04-11 15:41 <Fallenou> see http://code.google.com/p/fastdroid-vnc/source/browse/trunk/fbvncserver.c
2012-04-11 15:41 <Fallenou> init_fb()
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2012-04-11 17:07 <kyak> mth: the bug in gmenu2x is no more. Thank you!
2012-04-11 17:08 <mth> good to have that confirmed, thanks
2012-04-11 17:08 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gmenu2x: update to latest git (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/7671b2b
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2012-04-11 20:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: kicad-patches/README: bump KiCad version to bzr 3494 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/5083973
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2012-04-11 22:55 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, i couldn't build kicad bzr 3493 (pcbnew didn't link). so i bumped it to 3494.
2012-04-11 22:56 <wolfspraul> and that worked?
2012-04-11 22:57 <wpwrak> it compiled fine. there was a change in just the area where the problem appeared, which i take as a good omen. (didn't try to dig deeper)
2012-04-11 22:58 <wolfspraul> let me know if you need upleveling
2012-04-11 22:58 <wolfspraul> I think next time I can do it in 1h
2012-04-11 22:58 <wolfspraul> I have a simple test bench now, the uplevel steps are documented, etc.
2012-04-11 22:58 <wpwrak> your patches applied fine to 3494
2012-04-11 22:59 <wpwrak> afk for a bit
2012-04-11 23:14 <wpwrak> back
2012-04-11 23:34 <wolfspraul> it seems kicad is moving to metric here and there
2012-04-11 23:34 <wolfspraul> so in the modules position file for example, I changed the default (and only) to metric
2012-04-11 23:34 <wolfspraul> and front and back in the same file _all.pos (before it was _Front.pos and _Back.pos)
2012-04-11 23:34 <wolfspraul> just fyi
2012-04-11 23:34 <wolfspraul> I don't think we are using that anyway
2012-04-11 23:36 <wpwrak> the .pos file ? of yes, we're using that for fab output
2012-04-11 23:36 <wolfspraul> oh
2012-04-11 23:37 <wolfspraul> then my upleveling certainly broke that
2012-04-11 23:37 <wolfspraul> kicad now has a dialog with some options there, metric or inches, 'force smd', front and back in separate files or in one file
2012-04-11 23:37 <wolfspraul> what do you want?
2012-04-11 23:39 <wpwrak> right now, pos2fab (from eda-tools/fab/) assumes inches. not sure what "force smd" means. not sure whether fabs are happier with front and back split or together.
2012-04-11 23:40 <wpwrak> pos2fab takes the .pos file and turns it into an excel-friendly .csv table
2012-04-11 23:40 <wolfspraul> just tell me what you want :-)
2012-04-11 23:40 <wolfspraul> you can look at the dialog now, see the options there
2012-04-11 23:41 <wpwrak> see http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/fab/atusb-smt-110330.tar.gz
2012-04-11 23:41 <wpwrak> file atusb/atusb-bom.csv
2012-04-11 23:41 <wpwrak> err, wsorry
2012-04-11 23:42 <wpwrak> atusb/atusb-pos.csv
2012-04-11 23:42 <wpwrak> that's the one
2012-04-11 23:44 <wpwrak> the defaults look nice: inches, one file per side, with INSERT attribute set
2012-04-11 23:45 <wpwrak> i don't care much about the inches. just pos2fab needs to agree with what we extract from kicad
2012-04-11 23:45 <wpwrak> perhaps we should have a switch
2012-04-11 23:53 <wpwrak> and afk again. may take a bit. proprietor's reunion ...
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2012-04-11 23:57 <wolfspraul> ok, later then
2012-04-11 23:57 <wolfspraul> no rush on this anyway
2012-04-11 23:58 <wolfspraul> to me, very superficially, metric & one file looks easier
2012-04-11 23:58 <wolfspraul> but I will just change to what you want