2012-03-30 00:01 <whitequark> anyone here knowledgeable about metalworking/welding?
2012-03-30 00:05 <whitequark> because I just tried to fix a metal thingy and failed miserably
2012-03-30 00:06 <whitequark> also found out that my butane torch has enough power to melt copper, but if it's at least a little bit less thick than the one I need
2012-03-30 00:40 <qi-bot> [commit] David K
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2012-03-30 01:32 <qi-bot> Jon Phillips: Via @qihardware qihardware: Video drones fly and hover above the city creating ad hoc networks in a new form of noma... http://t.co/kT9tUbSK ( 185539602306699264@rejon - 57s ago via Ping.fm )
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2012-03-30 02:45 <kristianpaul> ergh i could reproduce that VID00003.MP4 file from rejon
2012-03-30 02:45 <kristianpaul> could not*
2012-03-30 02:48 <rejon> ok
2012-03-30 02:52 <kristianpaul> oh you here
2012-03-30 02:53 <kristianpaul> VID00002.MP4 seems ok, but the other well
2012-03-30 02:54 <rejon> ha
2012-03-30 02:54 <rejon> ok, I'll try a reupload of that file
2012-03-30 02:55 <kristianpaul> thanks !
2012-03-30 02:55 <kristianpaul> ISO: Unknown File Type Major Brand: MSNV
2012-03-30 02:55 <kristianpaul> said mplayer
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2012-03-30 06:25 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.minimal-20120330-0202 
2012-03-30 06:38 * DocScrutinizer moos a little
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2012-03-30 08:01 <cladamw> (M1r4 KiCad version) schematic symbols/libraries are under creations, see http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/kicad-libs/   not finished yet.
2012-03-30 08:24 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: ignore *.bak & *.bck (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/b3dafeb
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2012-03-30 08:59 <kyak> bartbes: just a version update (2.0.0 -> 2.0.2)
2012-03-30 09:00 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: nightsky: fix build (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a3d14a9
2012-03-30 09:07 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote-files add more nanonote config files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1efced8
2012-03-30 09:07 <kyak> bartbes: and yeah, nlove build is broken -\
2012-03-30 09:12 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a808dfa
2012-03-30 09:16 <kyak> xiangfu: btw, we don't have to do that.. If we have BUILD_NLS, uClibc is automatically compiled with locale support
2012-03-30 09:18 <xiangfu> kyak, ok. I don't know that. 
2012-03-30 09:18 <xiangfu> so I will revert the code. thanks
2012-03-30 09:18 <kyak> https://dev.openwrt.org/changeset/29633
2012-03-30 09:19 <kyak> yeah, it's some recent change.. thanks to jow
2012-03-30 09:19 <kyak> and it also works :)
2012-03-30 09:22 <viric> mth: I let to you the fixing of the commit for the kernel, ok?
2012-03-30 09:29 <mth> viric: ok
2012-03-30 09:29 <mth> I don't understand his second comment though
2012-03-30 09:29 <mth> "And why this should be out of order case?"
2012-03-30 09:32 <viric> maybe it is not an English sentence :)
2012-03-30 09:32 <viric> out of order means that it does not work, isn't ti?
2012-03-30 09:40 <mth> it can mean that ("elevator out of order"), but it can also mean that things are done in a different order ("out of order execution")
2012-03-30 09:41 <mth> also, I don't know if "case" means "situation"/"instance" or refers to upper/lower case letters
2012-03-30 09:48 <mth> I mailed asking for a clarification
2012-03-30 09:59 <viric> perfect
2012-03-30 10:07 <mth> actually, why does the JZ4740 need a different address? is it implied by the hardware somehow or is it just a convention that the existing tooling uses?
2012-03-30 10:08 <mth> for Dingoo, I changed it because the existing boot loader required it, but I don't know if that address was originally picked at random or whether it was the only sensible option
2012-03-30 10:29 <viric> I think it's hardcoded in another place of the tree
2012-03-30 10:29 <viric> I recall little though.
2012-03-30 10:39 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added libraries: nxp, diodes_inc; changed outlook same as datasheet as possible. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/3a983ff
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2012-03-30 11:35 <bartbes> kyak: because of physfs? I'm pretty sure we've been building against 2.0.2 for a while now
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2012-03-30 11:53 <DocScrutinizer51> sigh
2012-03-30 11:54 <DocScrutinizer51> ~cookie
2012-03-30 11:54 <infobot> Hey docscrutinizer51, zip 62433 is Hutsonville Crawford IL
2012-03-30 11:54 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
2012-03-30 11:54 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: thanks
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2012-03-30 11:56 <DocScrutinizer51> wpwrak: what's new?
2012-03-30 11:56 <DocScrutinizer51> and exciting
2012-03-30 11:59 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, ok. so back to boring ClearCase mess, brunch break declared finished :-S
2012-03-30 12:17 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: not much new and exciting, i'm afraid. oh, maybe from daily politics - argentina implemented a de facto ban on book and newspaper imports, basically as an overnight surprise. and lifted it a few days later.
2012-03-30 12:28 <viric> mth: so we'll have to investigate why I committed such a particular case for jz4740
2012-03-30 12:32 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer51: you seen the atheros/qualcomm article?
2012-03-30 12:32 <whitequark> namely http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=qualcomm_kill_blobs&num=1
2012-03-30 12:35 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: what you think about that python allegro, and gmenux replacement with a programable script?
2012-03-30 12:35 <kristianpaul> sounds powerfull consider no need write your own SDL stuff..
2012-03-30 12:36 <kristianpaul> tough i may allow us better integration with console based apps
2012-03-30 12:46 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120330-0825 
2012-03-30 13:03 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: should work. You already has pygame as well I think. python has bindings for everything.. BUt why you would like to replace gmenu2x?
2012-03-30 13:04 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: better integration: replace /usr/bin/gmenu2x with 
2012-03-30 13:04 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: /bin/bash ;)
2012-03-30 13:08 <mth> the plan we had for integration is to add a boolean to the icon info that indicates whether something is a console app or not
2012-03-30 13:09 <mth> and switch to a text terminal or not based on that
2012-03-30 13:21 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: i dont, i ask you about it :)
2012-03-30 13:23 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: i alredy replace by bash ;)
2012-03-30 13:42 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: cool :)
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2012-03-30 13:52 <mth> larsc (or anyone else who knows the answer): is it safe to assume that if the RTC is taken from an external clock, it will either be 32 kHz or a frequency near that value?
2012-03-30 13:53 <mth> never mind, the issue only starts if RTC is over 40 GHz, which simply won't happen
2012-03-30 13:54 <mth> for some reason I thought it could wrap at somewhat realistic freqs
2012-03-30 13:57 <viric> a rtc at 40GHz may need einstein relativity correction
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2012-03-30 14:13 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: ha i just saw you mail about genode-fx ;)
2012-03-30 14:17 <kristianpaul> so it compile under linux without minor/zero modifications
2012-03-30 14:17 <kristianpaul> ?
2012-03-30 14:34 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: yes. Using sdl as canvas. You can build several targets
2012-03-30 14:35 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: I just tried on my PC "make sdl"
2012-03-30 14:35 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: (and tested of course)
2012-03-30 14:42 <viric> mth: for the patch, add also a comment of *why this address*
2012-03-30 14:43 <viric> otherwise it's quite a magic number for reasons out of the kernel tree
2012-03-30 14:43 <mth> oh, I already sent a new patch
2012-03-30 14:43 <viric> ah
2012-03-30 14:43 <viric> :)
2012-03-30 14:43 <mth> and I don't really know why
2012-03-30 14:43 <viric> ah you looked like having done a research, in your answer
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2012-03-30 14:46 <mth> I know that booboo's u-boot uses that address and that you adopted it for the NN as well
2012-03-30 14:46 <mth> since the original patch only forced it for the A320
2012-03-30 14:47 <mth> how does a computed load address even work, by the way?
2012-03-30 14:48 <mth> I don't think injecting it into the boot loader would be an option, since then you'd always have to replace boot loader and kernel at the same time
2012-03-30 14:48 <mth> but the alternative would be to have the boot loader figure out the load address at run time, which is extra overhead
2012-03-30 14:50 <mth> provided that the vmlinuz.bin image even has the desired load address in it in a way that is discoverable
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2012-03-30 17:31 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: I am downloading root.tar.gz from your host. Which has some tools for jlime and sie
2012-03-30 17:31 <zrafa_> kristianpaul: do you remember if you tried some test with fpga and your tools there?
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2012-03-30 17:53 <Jay7> hello, ppl
2012-03-30 17:53 <Jay7> just quick question
2012-03-30 17:53 <Jay7> do NN have 8Gb NAND flash?
2012-03-30 17:54 <Jay7> i.e. is it NAND and is it 8Gb? :)
2012-03-30 17:59 <wpwrak> Jay7: i'm certain it's NAND. but i think it's less (don't have a machine up to check). wikipedia says 2 GB.
2012-03-30 18:00 <Jay7> hm.. seems I confised a bit
2012-03-30 18:00 <Jay7> *confused
2012-03-30 18:00 <viric> mine, 2GiB
2012-03-30 18:01 <viric> mth: the load address is determined at mkimage, isn't it?
2012-03-30 18:02 <viric> I mean... there is the kernel start point. Then we make a vmlinuz, which has a specific load address. Then we make mkimage of that vmlinuz, telling to mkimage the same load address.
2012-03-30 18:02 <viric> no?
2012-03-30 18:03 <viric> or mkimage takes vmlinux, and it compresses it? Why did I want vmlinuz at all?
2012-03-30 18:22 <DocScrutinizer> whitequark: yes, very interesting
2012-03-30 18:26 <zrafa_> Jay7: wpwrak: if we need to check wikipedia to know the size of the nn nand then we are lost :)
2012-03-30 18:42 <wpwrak> zrafa_: well, the qi-hw wiki is a bit chaotic, wouldn't you say so ? :)
2012-03-30 18:42 <wpwrak> zrafa_: and the nand size hasn't troubled me yet, so it's not the sort if number i'd keep in my head
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2012-03-30 20:48 <MabYwen> zrafa: my nn has 10cmx7.5cmx1.7cm in size :-D
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2012-03-30 23:03 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: genex/: generate expanded component view (WIP) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/4902886
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2012-03-30 23:30 <mth> viric: I don't know why you wanted vmlinuz, but I wanted it because it loads quicker
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