2012-03-28 00:31 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 00:38 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 00:54 dvdk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 01:24 [commit] David K 2012-03-28 01:25 [commit] David K 2012-03-28 01:52 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 01:52 jow_laptop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 02:02 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 02:12 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 02:33 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 02:45 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 02:52 [commit] Adam Wang: changed AD1580BRTZ pin3 to Unspecified, added WM9707SCFT/V description with 48-lead TQFP, added few lib into .pro file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/c35e54d 2012-03-28 03:24 [commit] Xiangfu: m1/patches/rtems: milkymist-audio-add-support-mic-boost.patch preserve the mic boost setting (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/56adfde 2012-03-28 03:56 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 05:22 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 05:50 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 05:55 zenlunatic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 07:26 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 07:51 [commit] Adam Wang: added few libraries (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/266c3b0 2012-03-28 08:35 LunaVorax_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 08:54 [commit] Xiangfu: nanonotefiles: config.full_system update: include bard, gtypist remove tangogps, nanoterm, gtkperf (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c102d41 2012-03-28 09:00 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 09:08 DocScrutinizer51 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 09:55 jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 09:59 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 10:25 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 10:47 The build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.minimal-20120327-0631 2012-03-28 10:55 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 11:59 [commit] Xiangfu: octave: disable curl (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/9c9945c 2012-03-28 12:27 jivs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 13:08 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 13:38 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 13:50 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 13:58 dsafdsaf has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 13:59 hello 2012-03-28 13:59 anyone here? 2012-03-28 14:00 yes 2012-03-28 14:01 bard is cool 2012-03-28 14:02 i noticed i allow me to resume my last reading where i was, thats fantastic ! 2012-03-28 14:05 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 14:11 dsafdsaf has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-03-28 15:34 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 15:57 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 16:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 16:27 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 16:54 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 17:54 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 17:57 AwAyla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 19:06 kristianpaul, what's bard? 2012-03-28 19:06 hi btw 2012-03-28 19:06 a nanonote ebook reader? 2012-03-28 19:09 [commit] kyak: dega: fix build (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/4206f29 2012-03-28 19:21 [commit] kyak: dgclock: fix build (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e09fbf7 2012-03-28 19:34 duck duck go tells it's a package from openwrt 2012-03-28 19:51 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 20:12 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 22:03 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 22:29 zenlunatic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-28 22:35 GNUtoo: yup it is 2012-03-28 23:25 wpwrak: did you see Dick on the kicad list explaining that the company he works for (I guess) specifically says they don't want him to fix bugs or provide support anymore, only *new* features in KiCad? :-) 2012-03-28 23:25 that is so funny 2012-03-28 23:26 the often seen industry race - who can claim whatever feature X first, whether it works or not, whatever the details - all irrelevant 2012-03-28 23:26 by the time people find out feature X is totally broken, feature Y is being hyped and driving new sales :-) 2012-03-28 23:27 ah, interesting ... 2012-03-28 23:28 funny comparison with linus/linux. i'd say linux was already rather big by the time he started to earn real money with it. i guess C-based projects just scale more gracefully :) 2012-03-28 23:28 he seems worn out 2012-03-28 23:28 should sleep a bit :-) 2012-03-28 23:29 the strategic concern of kicad should be readability and maintainability of code, modularity, community policies and culture, collaboration with geda, much better way for people to work on a high quality free component library, and a thousand other details 2012-03-28 23:29 my 2c 2012-03-28 23:30 what Dick is describing there is mostly an illusion 2012-03-28 23:30 but it's good that he's brining it up, so he shares his frustration a little and others can pad on his back 2012-03-28 23:31 bringing 2012-03-28 23:34 his approach doesn't scale. it's the "core team of tired old men" approach. 2012-03-28 23:34 sure. also lack of trust in true community momentum. 2012-03-28 23:34 I think it was a bad day with his company telling him that he's not allowed to fix bugs, only add new features. 2012-03-28 23:35 a bad combination. a "core team" per se isn't so bad, but it has to be agile. else, it's only busy making excuses or fighting competition 2012-03-28 23:35 while everybody else either gets frustated or falls asleep 2012-03-28 23:35 honestly, with all my industry experience, that's one of the most stupidest things I've read in a long time, if that was really the mandate 2012-03-28 23:36 I cannot imagine any company on a sustainable path with that kind of mandate. I would go to the highest management available to me and put my badge on the table :-) 2012-03-28 23:36 but I also think he is just describing it that way, his superiors were probably getting impatient about a lot of 'big features' that they want to see soon 2012-03-28 23:37 so yeah, a little stressed out there :-) 2012-03-28 23:37 hmm, could be 2012-03-28 23:37 well, as long as the "core refactoring" is part of the "new features", a bit more focus wouldn't be so bad :) 2012-03-28 23:39 you know when you hear about 'big refactoring', in >50% of cases that's the beginning of some trouble 2012-03-28 23:39 the longer the refactoring takes the bigger the risk 2012-03-28 23:40 yes, that refactoring has been going on for at least a year too long 2012-03-28 23:41 nothing wrong with discussing such things for a few days and then getting busy for some weeks. but at some point of time, the momentum just disappears 2012-03-28 23:41 sure 2012-03-28 23:41 a year? then it's dead 2012-03-28 23:41 is the refactoring happening in live code/commits? 2012-03-28 23:41 I didn't notice anything 2012-03-28 23:42 oh, maybe I did notice the insane amount of renames back and forth 2012-03-28 23:42 without any consistency 2012-03-28 23:42 SomeFunction -> Some_Function -> some_function -> SomeFunc -> smFnc -> some_FUNCTION -> and so on 2012-03-28 23:42 that's kicad 2012-03-28 23:42 ;-)) 2012-03-28 23:42 and all names move in different ways, so a() becomes A() while at the same time B() becomes b() 2012-03-28 23:42 go figure 2012-03-28 23:42 really 2012-03-28 23:43 well, there's the big redesign of the internal database engine ... 2012-03-28 23:43 I don't mind cleanup, at all. but when I see names changing in different (!) directions, that's bad 2012-03-28 23:43 of course, one problem may be that the task is too big to do it in one session. that's the day job problem 2012-03-28 23:44 so those big changes are happening in the live code base? or is there a branch somewhere? 2012-03-28 23:44 if it's in the one trunk codebase, maybe it can be finished one day :-) 2012-03-28 23:45 and yes, redundant renames can be a bad sign. i do that quite a lot too, though. but it's usually quick. maybe 5 minutes and then i like my code again. 2012-03-28 23:45 i don't really know where those big changes are 2012-03-28 23:45 maybe ask ? 2012-03-28 23:45 I'm talking about inconsistent naming changes 2012-03-28 23:45 the inconsistency is what is bad 2012-03-28 23:45 because you may as well stop the stupid renaming and first settle on *ONE* system 2012-03-28 23:46 otherwise I rename your names, and you rename mine 2012-03-28 23:46 i've seen some blueprints mentioned. and a bit of infrastructure code is getting merged. but i don't know if there's a real migration branch somewhere 2012-03-28 23:46 and we happily commit ever thereafter 2012-03-28 23:46 ah yes, if people are diverging, that's a problem