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2012-03-27 01:11 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/building/Nanonote/Ben/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120325-2303 
2012-03-27 01:13 <xiangfu> hmm...
2012-03-27 01:13 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: hey good morning :-)
2012-03-27 01:14 <xiangfu> good morning.
2012-03-27 01:14 <wolfspraul> good morning dear troubles
2012-03-27 01:14 <wolfspraul> :-)
2012-03-27 01:14 <wolfspraul> (reference to the failing build)
2012-03-27 01:17 <xiangfu> I work on the build host yesterday. update the config file. include package that fixed. 
2012-03-27 01:17 <xiangfu> let's wait next build. 
2012-03-27 01:18 <xiangfu> I have added those 2 usb device to http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_accessories#USB. 
2012-03-27 01:19 <xiangfu> no picture yet. too late yesterday. I will upload 2 pictures and put more information in that page. 
2012-03-27 01:19 <wolfspraul> ah yes, nice
2012-03-27 01:19 <wolfspraul> we should document a number of usb devices and why they do not work
2012-03-27 01:19 <wolfspraul> as inspiration and todo list, if an interested hacker comes along
2012-03-27 01:19 <wolfspraul> what do we have?
2012-03-27 01:19 <wolfspraul> usb speakers
2012-03-27 01:20 <wolfspraul> usb audio cards/mic
2012-03-27 01:20 <wolfspraul> usb video capture and tv as you have there
2012-03-27 01:20 <wolfspraul> usb-midi, already working to a degree
2012-03-27 01:20 <wolfspraul> usb storage
2012-03-27 01:20 <wolfspraul> usb webcam
2012-03-27 01:21 <wolfspraul> what else?
2012-03-27 01:21 <wolfspraul> usb-ethernet maybe for completeness, although m1 has a built-in ethernet of course
2012-03-27 01:22 <wolfspraul> of course usb mice & kbd, we have those already
2012-03-27 01:22 <wolfspraul> usb-wifi
2012-03-27 01:23 <wolfspraul> there's some nice and cheap tablets like the wacom tablets (but cheap no-name)
2012-03-27 01:23 <wolfspraul> yeah
2012-03-27 01:23 <wolfspraul> enough :-)
2012-03-27 01:23 <wolfspraul> for most of those we just document that and why they don't work :-)
2012-03-27 01:48 <cladamw> wpwrak, i think that the symbol of Varistor i didn't use common one in AD m1r4 sch, in KiCad, its varistor is the same as Wikipedia, but TDK uses a different one from its datasheet. so what would you suggest ?
2012-03-27 01:51 <wolfspraul> Wikipedia
2012-03-27 01:52 <wolfspraul> (without looking at either one)
2012-03-27 01:52 <wolfspraul> when in doubt, reuse and make references to stuff on wikipedia
2012-03-27 01:52 <wolfspraul> if we do something different and follow a vendor, we must be really sure about that, then it's ok
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2012-03-27 01:52 <wolfspraul> let's see what werner says about the specific symbol :-)
2012-03-27 01:53 <wpwrak> hmm, what would be the wikipedia symbol ? i don't see any on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varistor
2012-03-27 01:54 <cladamw> wpwrak, page 3 of http://www.tdk.co.jp/tefe02/e9c11_avr.pdf  , page 22 of http://www.littelfuse.com/data/en/Product_Catalogs/Littelfuse_Varistors_Catalog.pdf
2012-03-27 01:54 <cladamw> if you clicked in Chinese version wikipedia, see http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A3%93%E6%95%8F%E9%9B%BB%E9%98%BB
2012-03-27 01:55 <wpwrak> ;-))
2012-03-27 01:56 <wpwrak> compare this with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor
2012-03-27 01:56 <cladamw> Wikipedia is the same symbol as Littlefuse, but still not the same as KiCad part "VR" component in library: /library/device.lib
2012-03-27 01:57 <cladamw> man ! i think that Chinese Wikipedia is unreliable. :-)
2012-03-27 01:57 <wpwrak> hmm, varistor = overvoltage protection. thermistor = overcurrent protection. don't confuse the two :)
2012-03-27 01:58 <wpwrak> "VR" may be just the symbol for a general variable resistor of unspecified nature. lemme check ...
2012-03-27 01:58 <cladamw> yeah....but they are easy to confuse. so I think when I create new symbol that I should follow vendor's symbol, how do you think ?
2012-03-27 01:59 <cladamw> KiCad calls "VARISTANCE" in its "Description"
2012-03-27 02:00 <cladamw> now i think those *.dcm file, we should always to fill p/n, description, datasheet link, then in Library Editor it will show up very good information.
2012-03-27 02:02 <cladamw> eg. : http://dpaste.com/721899/
2012-03-27 02:03 <cladamw> eg. : http://dpaste.com/721901/
2012-03-27 02:04 <cladamw> said that we could have different projects with different vendor p/n, the *.dcm file is good to fill up specific datasheet link, description, p/n.
2012-03-27 02:05 <cladamw> then load that component into KiCad Library Editor, it shows directly into GUI.
2012-03-27 02:05 <wpwrak> IEC has S00558 for voltage-dependent resistors. but note the "U"
2012-03-27 02:05 <cladamw> (i.e.) your boom should directly generate datasheet link to find parts in Digikey from *.dcm file
2012-03-27 02:06 <wpwrak> i wouldn't maintain such information in .dcm. they're too messy to edit
2012-03-27 02:06 <wpwrak> better have a separate file with human-friendly text. like the BOOKSHELF files
2012-03-27 02:06 <wpwrak> then populate .dcm with a script if necessary. note that you'll probably lose local caching this way, though
2012-03-27 02:07 <cladamw> well...since I am editing those new components for m1r4, I can still fill them into *.dcm file, since KiCad uses it(fields) for part information to fill up.
2012-03-27 02:07 <wpwrak> yes, but good luck finding _the_ data sheet for, say, varistors ;-)
2012-03-27 02:08 <cladamw> so how do you think that i directly to use vendor's symbol ?
2012-03-27 02:10 <wpwrak> cool. IEC have no thermistor, no PTC, no NTC. no surprise there's such a chaos
2012-03-27 02:11 <cladamw> hmm....i think that I follow the vendor datasheets to create 'varistors.lib' to include different vendor varistors, they will be added into varistors.dcm & varistors.lib :-)
2012-03-27 02:12 <cladamw> i lilke to do this way if you still against ?
2012-03-27 02:12 <cladamw> :-)
2012-03-27 02:14 <cladamw> we're not a super team on parts management in naming whole libraries systems. ;-) I would speed up to append. then we sometimes or later to clean up ?
2012-03-27 02:15 <wpwrak> i think the two symbols represent different technologies and different physical principles to arrive at the same result
2012-03-27 02:16 <wpwrak> since we often don't care what technology is inside the chip, we have a 50% chance of getting the symbol right :)
2012-03-27 02:17 <cladamw> yes, so they may be just suffering from patent conflicts.
2012-03-27 02:19 <wpwrak> no, not that. it's just different physics
2012-03-27 02:19 <cladamw> i think the library for chip varistors, maybe i just call it "chipvaristors.lib', is that okay to you ?
2012-03-27 02:19 <wpwrak> some use the Zener effect, others use some other effect. there are many ways to get something to conduct when there's overvoltage. spark gaps, anyone ? ;-)
2012-03-27 02:20 <cladamw> whatever their physics, they are the varistors. :-)
2012-03-27 02:22 <cladamw> i am thinking the qi's libraries(components/modules). How we gather/collect those parts we're using now. :-)
2012-03-27 02:22 <wpwrak> here we have all the technologies: http://www.learnemc.com/tutorials/Transient_Protection/t-protect.html
2012-03-27 02:23 <wpwrak> see, there's more than one way to do this :)
2012-03-27 02:24 <cladamw> he, nice link.
2012-03-27 02:25 <wpwrak> the IEC symbol would be like the kicad symbol or maybe even the thermistor symbol (it's very poorly drawn), but with an U letter on the side
2012-03-27 02:25 <wpwrak> i've never seen this used in practice
2012-03-27 02:27 <wpwrak> http://www.talkingelectronics.com/CctSymbols/Circuit_Symbols.html
2012-03-27 02:27 <wpwrak> uses the kicad symbol
2012-03-27 02:28 <wpwrak> and even shows the Zener equivalence
2012-03-27 02:29 <cladamw> mmm...left one is the same as TDK's symbol.
2012-03-27 02:29 <wpwrak> seems to be the best compromise
2012-03-27 02:31 <wpwrak> they have a total of three variants ;-) also the one from the chinese wikipedia. and weird Z(orro?)-shaped one
2012-03-27 02:32 <wpwrak> well, that's the same as TDK's
2012-03-27 02:32 <wpwrak> never saw that anywhere else either
2012-03-27 02:32 <wpwrak> by the way, there's about half a dozen IEC symbols for spark gaps ;-)))
2012-03-27 02:35 <cladamw> yeah...great link, so we can take this url for example to create/naming  libraries, okay ?
2012-03-27 02:40 <wpwrak> okay. it's a start :)
2012-03-27 02:41 <cladamw> great, thanks for your great surf skills in google. ;-)
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2012-03-27 02:43 <cladamw> so for (V24), i should use a name for Voltage Dependent Resistor, i.e. vdr.lib
2012-03-27 02:46 <wpwrak> everybody seems to use varistor ...
2012-03-27 02:47 <cladamw> phew~ alright, name it as 'varistor.lib' ;-)
2012-03-27 02:49 <wolfspraul> surf skills :-)
2012-03-27 02:52 <wpwrak> and now, dinner-eating skills :)
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2012-03-27 05:56 <xiangfu> A New Milkymist Firmware Release: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_Firmware#2012-03-27
2012-03-27 05:56 <xiangfu> I am still testing...
2012-03-27 05:56 <xiangfu> so far so good :-)
2012-03-27 05:57 <xiangfu> the MIC boost make Mic works much better then before.
2012-03-27 06:06 <kyak> xiangfu: hi! i think we need to disable xfce repo in feeds.conf for good. Only need to have qi-packages, packages, desktop and xorg. What do you think?
2012-03-27 06:06 <xiangfu> kyak, already disabled. :)
2012-03-27 06:06 <kyak> great :)
2012-03-27 06:06 <kyak> now we just wait till we hit the qt4 compilation issue...
2012-03-27 06:07 <kyak> ah, mirko has fixed it.. great
2012-03-27 06:08 <kyak> xiangfu: i tried to have a look an ncursesw problem.. This is magic.. Do you mind i paste you something in pm in order not to clutter the channel?
2012-03-27 06:08 <xiangfu> kyak, ok
2012-03-27 06:08 <xiangfu> kyak, just send them to me 
2012-03-27 06:11 <xiangfu> cladamw, here. I just upload a new release. that I am testing...
2012-03-27 06:12 <xiangfu> cladamw, if this M1 is for ship out. please reflash again. 
2012-03-27 06:12 <xiangfu> I just fixed the 'latest' symlink.
2012-03-27 06:12 <cladamw> xiangfu, oah..okay, i tried it again. :-)
2012-03-27 06:12 <xiangfu> reflash again with 'reflash_m1.sh --qi --data', if if for ship out don't forget reflash the mac address.
2012-03-27 06:13 <cladamw> sure. ;-)
2012-03-27 06:14 <xiangfu> there is a MIC improve. :-)
2012-03-27 06:14 <xiangfu> in next release. 
2012-03-27 06:14 <cladamw> xiangfu, aha...okay.. btw, i recorded my steps here: https://github.com/adamwang/script/blob/master/m1_reflash_steps
2012-03-27 06:15 <cladamw> since sometimes if steps of reflash for ship out has been changed, i have to record myself though. :-)
2012-03-27 06:15 <xiangfu> cool :)
2012-03-27 06:16 <xiangfu> watched. :)
2012-03-27 06:17 <cladamw> no need to watch that. it's my own tool. :-) well...since my steps will always comes from you. you know that i still can't interpret/understand script. :-O
2012-03-27 06:19 <cladamw> I'll just ping you when i get stuck. :)
2012-03-27 06:21 <xiangfu> ok 
2012-03-27 06:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote-files: config.full_system use DirectFB as drawing-backend (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/37a4be2
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2012-03-27 07:23 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: package: ncurses: fix the libncursesw disappears when select some package thanks to kyak (release_2012-03-18) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/657d4c7
2012-03-27 07:24 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: package: ncurses: fix the libncursesw disappears when select some package thanks to kyak (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c475dd5
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2012-03-27 07:47 <xiangfu> kyak, https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/11188 <--- reported. 
2012-03-27 07:47 <xiangfu> thanks again 
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2012-03-27 12:49 <qi-bot> [commit] Adam Wang: added few symbols (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/c903a7a
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2012-03-27 13:16 <jluis> top
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2012-03-27 14:31 <mirko> is somebody using python on the nanonote?
2012-03-27 14:34 <mirko> if so, are you willing to test the following python-upgrade with the apps you use? - https://dev.openwrt.org/raw-attachment/ticket/11157/python-2.7.3rc2.diff
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2012-03-27 16:46 <mirko> wolfspraul: ping
2012-03-27 16:46 <mirko> larsc: ping
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2012-03-27 19:47 <larsc> mirko: pong
2012-03-27 19:49 <whitequark> 121 minute rtt
2012-03-27 19:57 <larsc> well, he hasn't received the response yet
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2012-03-27 21:31 <Ayla> larsc: maybe he's UDP
2012-03-27 21:36 <whitequark> larsc: I have been measuring rtt to you using irc as a zero point
2012-03-27 22:58 <wolfspraul> mirko: pong
2012-03-27 22:59 <wolfspraul> didn't he say something about drinking last night? :-)
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2012-03-27 23:10 <wpwrak> if he's been drinking for the last 6 hours, he may slowly begin to show some effects :)
2012-03-27 23:12 <whitequark> Ayla: LOL
2012-03-27 23:12 <whitequark> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/03/ms-patent/?intcid=story_ribbon
2012-03-27 23:14 <whitequark> well I advise everybody here to read that
2012-03-27 23:14 <whitequark> very on topic :D
2012-03-27 23:16 <Ayla> yeah
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