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2012-03-11 00:36 <whitequark> man, I don't know who has designed SMS protocols (PDU)
2012-03-11 00:36 <whitequark> but he was really high on something
2012-03-11 00:40 <whitequark> http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/hello.html
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2012-03-11 06:30 <whitequark> wolfspraul: (CADs) maybe Google is all evil and stuff, but SketchUp is amazing from the topic of UX
2012-03-11 06:31 <wolfspraul> UX = user experience?
2012-03-11 06:31 <whitequark> I've installed it within seconds and began to draw actual models within minutes
2012-03-11 06:31 <whitequark> unlike e.g. AutoCAD or other enterprisey tools
2012-03-11 06:31 <wolfspraul> what are you trying to do?
2012-03-11 06:31 <whitequark> a laser cut case for my latest project
2012-03-11 06:31 <wolfspraul> nice. which material are you cutting? care to share some more details?
2012-03-11 06:31 <whitequark> I've been quite impressed by M1's case and I will somewhat steal the idea of it
2012-03-11 06:32 <wolfspraul> perfect!
2012-03-11 06:32 <whitequark> hm, green 2mm acrylic, I think
2012-03-11 06:32 <whitequark> either on pololu or on a local Russian plant, whichever is cheaper
2012-03-11 06:32 <wolfspraul> roh is using qcad to edit the dxf files I believe, and then feeds those same dxf into the laser, afaik
2012-03-11 06:33 <whitequark> hm, I tried qcad and it gave me quite the same feeling as other ones. maybe I'm wrong
2012-03-11 06:33 <whitequark> at least it was much more than five minutes which took me to understand how to use its basic functions
2012-03-11 06:34 <wolfspraul> up to you. go with google, eventually they will drive you nuts as well. you have to decide how to best invest your time, and prioritize.
2012-03-11 06:35 <wolfspraul> that's a difficult decision to make
2012-03-11 06:35 <whitequark> iirc you like parametric CADs a lot, am I right?
2012-03-11 06:40 <wpwrak> maybe try fped for footprints once ?
2012-03-11 06:41 <whitequark> wpwrak: I won't do any pcbs for a while, but when I'll do, I definitely want to give kicad+fped a try
2012-03-11 06:41 <wpwrak> you can also (ab)use it for 2D drawings, but you have to be sold on the idea of parametric cad before that
2012-03-11 06:41 <whitequark> ah. maybe not the best idea. this is my very first CAD project ever
2012-03-11 06:42 <whitequark> sketchup somewhat looks like a toy, but it's entirely sufficient for this one
2012-03-11 06:42 <wpwrak> if you're comfortable with fped for footprints, you can try to take it into areas it's not made for. it won't excel. but it may still be less painful than the alternatives.
2012-03-11 06:42 <whitequark> never actually used it, just heard about
2012-03-11 06:42 <wpwrak> i've heard very good things about sketchup
2012-03-11 06:43 <wpwrak> so far, i do my 2D/3D CAD in a mix of heekscad scripts, python/perl scripts, fped :)
2012-03-11 06:44 <wpwrak> for 2D, i now almost always use fped. it's not great for general CAD but at least it's parametric
2012-03-11 06:44 <whitequark> yeah, sketchup is really good from a novice's point of view. absolutely intuitive
2012-03-11 06:45 <whitequark> I just looked at its functions for a few minutes, tried a few and I already understand which ones do I need to use (and how I'd use them) to make my model
2012-03-11 06:45 <wpwrak> scripts also go a long way. e.g., i did this with a script: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/vialtray.jpg
2012-03-11 06:46 <wpwrak> (the math for the curves would be too messy for any cad i know)
2012-03-11 06:46 <whitequark> well, there's embedded Ruby in sketchup
2012-03-11 06:46 <whitequark> so you can do scripting
2012-03-11 06:46 <wpwrak> that was script -> toolpath
2012-03-11 06:47 <wpwrak> usually with a gnuplot intermediate step, though
2012-03-11 06:47 <whitequark> bbiab, need to run
2012-03-11 06:47 <wpwrak> happy dog-walking ! :)
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2012-03-11 08:36 <whitequark> hm, made a small model
2012-03-11 08:36 <whitequark> now I want to export it to dxf...
2012-03-11 08:37 <whitequark> err... $540? sorry google, if it'd be $50, I would buy it.
2012-03-11 09:03 <roh> i think there is some free plugin you can use to export. but i havent used it yet
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2012-03-11 09:34 <whitequark> roh: yeah, already found
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2012-03-11 10:36 <whitequark> wpwrak: got a little time?
2012-03-11 10:36 <whitequark> http://rghost.ru/36960754
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2012-03-11 12:25 <wpwrak> whitequark: that .dxf doesn't look happy (in qcad)
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2012-03-11 15:08 <qwebirc36939> #arduino
2012-03-11 15:20 <wpwrak> lamest battle cry ever
2012-03-11 17:17 <viric> where would you buy a mobile phone battery?
2012-03-11 17:17 <viric> wpwrak: hehe
2012-03-11 17:20 <wpwrak> i recently got one for my obscure little samsung x830 from BatteryUpgrade.com
2012-03-11 17:20 <wpwrak> shipping is a bit slow but you can't beat the price ;-)
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2012-03-11 17:27 <viric> ok
2012-03-11 17:28 <viric> 18€
2012-03-11 17:28 <viric> I thought it would be cheaper :)
2012-03-11 17:29 <wpwrak> the shipping ? or the battery ?
2012-03-11 17:29 <viric> battery
2012-03-11 17:30 <wpwrak> ah :)
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2012-03-11 17:31 <wpwrak> yeah. maybe you can find it cheaper elsewhere. the replacement batteries also aren't always a perfect fit. e.g., the one for my samsung is a little thicker than the original. but they're good enough
2012-03-11 17:31 <viric> ah
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2012-03-11 17:58 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes they aren't
2012-03-11 17:58 <DocScrutinizer> by any metrics of "good enough"
2012-03-11 17:58 <DocScrutinizer> e.g when a 1800mAh battery turns out to have 650mAh
2012-03-11 17:59 <DocScrutinizer> label printers are forbearing
2012-03-11 18:01 <DocScrutinizer> so probably a decent noname 'compatible' one is usually the better buy to those "*original* (faked) genuine $BRAND" for a quarter of the price you'd expect
2012-03-11 18:02 <DocScrutinizer> wait, there's been a nice investigation&report, though on one specific Nokia BL-5J type
2012-03-11 18:03 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568
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2012-03-11 19:07 <lindi-> "23kJ" would make a shorter label :-)
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2012-03-11 19:45 <viric> wpwrak: what's the ietf protocol number for wpan?
2012-03-11 19:46 <C-Keen> 4919?
2012-03-11 19:46 <viric> I saw tcpdump 4.2.x includes a decoder for 802.15.4
2012-03-11 19:46 <viric> that reminds me of wpan, but I may remember wrong
2012-03-11 19:46 <larsc> well 802.15.4 is the basis for wpan i think
2012-03-11 19:47 <viric> Then tcpdump decodes it since july
2012-03-11 19:47 <qi-bot> [commit] Jiri Brozovsky: The classic Dope Wars game. It needs to use the ash(default) terminal to fit (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/61ec128
2012-03-11 19:48 <viric> nothing new I imagine :) I was reading the changelog, and I saw that was added in the latest release
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2012-03-11 23:39 <wpwrak> (dope wars) nice ! :)
2012-03-11 23:40 <wpwrak> viric: WPAN == IEEE 802.15.4, yes. that's not a number assigned by IETF/IANA, though.
2012-03-11 23:41 <wpwrak> great CNC challenges of mankind #467892: making a small case with feature width < 1 mm out of wood.
2012-03-11 23:42 <kristianpaul> wpan wooden case?
2012-03-11 23:42 <kristianpaul> and even if cnc made it, do you think it will hold ?
2012-03-11 23:43 <wpwrak> hmm, RF + hydrophile material. not sure :)
2012-03-11 23:44 <wpwrak> i just cracked a 1.4 mm bottom plate, so ...
2012-03-11 23:44 <kristianpaul> ah
2012-03-11 23:45 <wpwrak> but at least no i know all the things that are wrong with my design :)
2012-03-11 23:46 <wpwrak> s/no/now/
2012-03-11 23:46 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "but at least now i knoww all the things that are wrong with my design :)"
2012-03-11 23:46 <wpwrak> s/ needs a /1 option :)
2012-03-11 23:48 <kristianpaul> indeed