2012-03-06 00:02 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 00:02 wpwrak: actually it works, looks like the clamp diodes can manage with whatever current FT232 can provide 2012-03-06 00:03 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 00:03 still, that's not quite the best modus operandi obviously 2012-03-06 00:20 with the clamps, you're within 200 mV or better anyway 2012-03-06 00:21 still, they're not really designed for constant maximum load 2012-03-06 00:22 yeah, I'll replace that with open-drain scheme when I'd attach the uC 2012-03-06 00:23 the modules even provide VDD-EXT specifically for pull-ups 2012-03-06 00:47 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 01:11 wolfspra1l has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 01:20 snesfan has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 01:29 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 01:39 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 01:43 snesfan has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-03-06 02:14 btw some one in the local-es mail list, is asking for spectec wifi modules 2012-03-06 02:14 any idea where to buy then? 2012-03-06 02:15 yes, we still have a local-es list ;-) thanks tuxbrain i guess 2012-03-06 02:17 I was thinking about deleting it the other day :-) 2012-03-06 02:17 all we can do about the spectec wifi card is to tell people to stay away 2012-03-06 02:18 it's so wrong from so many angles, and there is no hope for anything good in the future 2012-03-06 02:18 hehe 2012-03-06 02:19 yeah. still.. somehow it would be nice to find some working spi-wifi at some point. 2012-03-06 02:19 talking about spectec or the list ? ;-) 2012-03-06 02:19 do we have evaluated the zydas stuff? 2012-03-06 02:19 spectec 2012-03-06 02:20 zydas was acquired by x which was acquired by y, no? 2012-03-06 02:20 ralink acquired by mtk, atheros acquired by qualcomm 2012-03-06 02:20 zydas isnt the most powersaving but they hav serial and spi in addition to usb on their chips and linux driver afaik 2012-03-06 02:20 roh: yeah, i meant wolfgang. the idea of having a babylon of lists also has its dark side ... 2012-03-06 02:20 atheros is qc now? sigh. too bad. i had hope for them 2012-03-06 02:21 nope. the investment demands are too high. so qualcomm can generate a higher return on those needed investments integrating the tech into bigger chips, than atheros being independent can. 2012-03-06 02:21 wolfspra1l: ok 2012-03-06 02:21 I find it interesting that the better open source driver some wifi corp has, the higher the chance it looses independence :-) or so it seems :-) 2012-03-06 02:22 wolfspra1l: well.. nothing the consumer will notice. ath chipsets were already cheap (single digit euros) 2012-03-06 02:22 wpwrak: i did a quick searck on qi-hw wiki and it appear, so dont look at me ;) 2012-03-06 02:22 roh: notice? don't understand 2012-03-06 02:22 the price will not get much lower 2012-03-06 02:22 I think it means that there will be less investment into new independent atheros-type products 2012-03-06 02:22 of course the ones they have now will sell for a loooong time 2012-03-06 02:23 but any big new investments will be made towards more integrated chips 2012-03-06 02:23 as you said about the tplink router yesterday.. it sells for 16$. with case and psu. 2012-03-06 02:23 at 400mhz and ~32mb ram and 4-8mb flash 2012-03-06 02:24 yes. and in the future you can add 3g/lte, more memory, graphics acceleration, etc. into the mix 2012-03-06 02:24 from qualcomm then 2012-03-06 02:25 sure. but its always a numbers game. i know of no wifi-ap socs which have 3g stuff yet. not enough devices which need both to pay for the asics 2012-03-06 02:27 so its usually 2 chips connected by usb 2012-03-06 02:27 all wifi-ap soc have usb host nowadays 2012-03-06 02:27 yes, but why has qualcomm bought atheros? 2012-03-06 02:27 my guess is that 3g licenses are more expensive than the physical soc itself ;) 2012-03-06 02:27 don't understand 2012-03-06 02:27 what will qualcomm do with the atheros stuff? 2012-03-06 02:27 wolfspra1l: strategy. they need to fight broadcom. which have multimedia (tv, mediaplayer), mobile, wifi-ap and other soc. 2012-03-06 02:27 yes 2012-03-06 02:27 wolfspra1l: complete the portfolio. qc was a 'basically only in mobiles' manuf atm. 2012-03-06 02:27 right 2012-03-06 02:27 but qualcomm is much stronger in 3g/lte than broadcom, no? 2012-03-06 02:27 so we will see.. if atheros looses their currently quite good opensource support in the long run 2012-03-06 02:28 I don't think 'open source' is a strategy that matters when it comes to justifying or recouping multi-bilion USD investments 2012-03-06 02:28 it's just too irrelevant 2012-03-06 02:28 dunno. the mobile field has lots of smaller chips besides the soc. not sure what stuff is their cashcow 2012-03-06 02:28 so the quality of atheros open-source drivers may go either way, accidentally 2012-03-06 02:28 it may get better, or worse 2012-03-06 02:29 so far atheros cared a lot about open source 2012-03-06 02:29 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 02:29 but now they lost their independence :-) 2012-03-06 02:29 well.. brcm will show its cards very soon...see rasberry pi 2012-03-06 02:29 atheros caring? well.. nah. 2012-03-06 02:29 compared to qualcomm, yes 2012-03-06 02:30 the raspberry pi is nothing more than a marketing blip/joke for broadcom 2012-03-06 02:30 if it's more, maybe broadcom is on the way down too :-) 2012-03-06 02:30 atheros was the reason for the years-long fail called madwifi. without crazy opensource nerds we would have no free drivers there 2012-03-06 02:30 yes but atheros had much great open-source awareness and enthousiasm than I could ever detect at qualcomm 2012-03-06 02:30 and I met with (some) people from both companies 2012-03-06 02:30 they are big corps though, and one department may differ from another 2012-03-06 02:31 wolfspra1l: i dont think so. brcm is quite strong when it comes to market share in wifi routers for example. its mostly ath and brcm i see. realtek only the really cheap ones but <1 in 10 2012-03-06 02:31 in the end all those guys have to be very responsible about massive capital investments 2012-03-06 02:31 they are forced to 2012-03-06 02:31 true 2012-03-06 02:31 realtek seems quite strong in china 2012-03-06 02:31 wolfspra1l: you detected anything like that at qualcomm ? :) 2012-03-06 02:32 yeah. but they have rather the low-end 2012-03-06 02:32 and that means probably also in another 20 large-population countries at least 2012-03-06 02:32 yes but don't underestimate the size here 2012-03-06 02:32 china alone has more people than the entire 'western world' combined 2012-03-06 02:32 i havent seen qc chipsets in wifi equipment yet. only in 3g modems, mobiles and tablets. 2012-03-06 02:33 and scale matters in manufacturing, see the 16 usd router that tp-link doesn't even introduce in eu/us because it's too cheap and distributors there cannot make enough money to push it and it also doesn't matter much for the scale of the product 2012-03-06 02:33 true. but they mostly cannot afford the level of luxury and numbers we can, atleast still. 2012-03-06 02:33 maybe they don't need it? that 16 usd router next to me here works just wonderful. if I have money left over, I'll spend it on a good restaurant maybe :-) 2012-03-06 02:33 wolfspra1l: i can buy the tplink 741nd for <20E including taxes when i take more than 10 pieces 2012-03-06 02:34 I need to watch realtek a bit more, don't know what's going on there 2012-03-06 02:34 in europe. not searching for the cheapest seller. just default b2b price 2012-03-06 02:34 when products get too cheap, there is no pull into us/eu markets, because distributors cannot make enough money 2012-03-06 02:34 and the end consumer doesn't care 2012-03-06 02:34 but there will be huge growth for those products still in the other 80% of the world 2012-03-06 02:35 where a 5 USD difference matters to both resellers and consumers 2012-03-06 02:36 there is no too cheap.. atleast not if the quality and features make sense. just means more gain for the importer 2012-03-06 02:36 just for reference http://www.silicontap.com/atheros_acquired_by_qualcomm_for_3__billion/s-0033072.html 2012-03-06 02:36 my guess is that the price difference between china and europe is mostly taxes and WEEE 2012-03-06 02:37 also the chinese versions of lots of the wifi stuff have less ram/flash to save money 2012-03-06 02:38 3.1 billion is not bad, at least atheros seems to have been valued like a real business, which they are/were 2012-03-06 02:38 wow. lots of green. 2012-03-06 02:39 that was already a year ago btw 2012-03-06 02:39 over a year ago 2012-03-06 02:43 just reading about realtek 2012-03-06 02:44 in hsinchu/taiwan, 1600 people, 700 million USD revenues 2012-03-06 02:45 let's see how long they can keep their independence - maybe they need to find some smaller highly profitable niches 2012-03-06 02:58 I don't know if this was reported yet, but the web view of git seems to be offline 2012-03-06 02:58 git itself does seem to be working 2012-03-06 02:59 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 03:00 mth: which git? 2012-03-06 03:01 qi-kernel is the one I tested 2012-03-06 03:01 hmm, gmenu2x does still work 2012-03-06 03:02 mth: ah that indefero :-) 2012-03-06 03:02 on my to-be-removed list 2012-03-06 03:07 I'm wondering though if my git-fu is failing me or the archive is in a bad shape 2012-03-06 03:07 "git log origin/jz-3.2" should show the 3.2 branch, right? 2012-03-06 03:07 because the autocompletion doesn't go beyond jz-3.0 2012-03-06 03:08 out of caution, I did a fetch rather then pull 2012-03-06 03:08 s/then/than 2012-03-06 03:08 mth meant: "out of caution, I did a fetch rather than pull" 2012-03-06 03:21 I'm going to have another attempt at sleeping 2012-03-06 04:21 qwebirc46695 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 04:24 wolfgang wolfspra1| in reading the backlog, say discussion of ZyDAS wifi. Then a discussion of Qualcom buying Atheros. Nobody mentioned (that I saw) that Atheros way back bought ZyDAS. 2012-03-06 04:26 Qualcom may want wifi for so-called Internet of Things including home automation. Atheros has some very low power wifi chips now. and of course every mobile smartphone has wifi, so it makes sense for Qualcom 2012-03-06 04:37 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 04:42 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 04:49 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:08 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:11 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:19 emeb has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-03-06 05:21 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:33 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:41 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:50 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:50 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:52 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 05:59 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 06:38 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 06:40 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 06:51 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:02 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:14 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:23 mirko_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:28 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:41 mth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:53 Testbaron has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 07:53 hi what beter :(512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM +1 gb DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM ) OR (512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM+512 DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM)? 2012-03-06 08:00 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:06 if you wait a little that may get relevant for future Milkymist products :-) http://www.milkymist.org 2012-03-06 08:06 other than that I have no idea... 2012-03-06 08:08 Testbaron: we are mostly dealing with open hardware here and how to collaborate in hardware 2012-03-06 08:09 mechanical design, electrical, IC, testing, even distribution 2012-03-06 08:09 sourcing, manufacturing 2012-03-06 08:10 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:12 do i can buy somewheare open graphic card? 2012-03-06 08:14 depends on how you define open 2012-03-06 08:15 you like to build your own computer? pc or notebook? 2012-03-06 08:17 aw, opengraphics.org no longer resolves 2012-03-06 08:20 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:25 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:27 I wana make pc and i wana make my own experimental graphic LIB 2012-03-06 08:28 In my own "TOY OS" in assembler 2012-03-06 08:30 and open for my is using card registrs i think ..i need acceleration for graphics 2012-03-06 08:31 or open drivers what give me using 100% efectivy in my own os 2012-03-06 08:31 *using card in my os 2012-03-06 08:35 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: update xburst qi_lb60 to linux-v3.2.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7f79566 2012-03-06 08:37 forward openwrt kernel to v3.2.1 :) 2012-03-06 08:38 now test wifi and WPAN stuff. 2012-03-06 08:38 Testbaron has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-03-06 08:42 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:42 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 08:57 tonghuix has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 09:03 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 09:18 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 09:47 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 09:51 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 09:53 zrafa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:01 Testbaron has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:04 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:06 Do anybody know somethink? i need port/adapt DRI DRM +driver to get graphic acceleration in my experemmintal OS what exactly i need focus to?Thx 2012-03-06 10:07 I know 2012-03-06 10:08 can you try expl /some info ineed tored /links 2012-03-06 10:09 or abstractly some info 2012-03-06 10:11 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:28 pabs3: I think Milkymist SoC is the way to do open graphics 2012-03-06 10:29 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: add wav2png simple script file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f0ff76c 2012-03-06 10:31 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:47 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 10:49 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 11:33 [commit] Xiangfu: m1/patches/rtems/: sync with rtems(2012-03-04) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/4dfb61f 2012-03-06 11:54 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 12:23 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 12:49 antoniodariuh_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 12:53 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 12:56 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 14:26 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120306-1420/ 2012-03-06 14:44 Ayla, larsc: am I misunderstanding git or have jz-3.1 and jz-3.2 disappeared from the qi-kernel repo? 2012-03-06 14:46 mth: looks fine to me 2012-03-06 14:47 so for example "git log origin/jz-3.2" does work for you? 2012-03-06 14:47 it sozq 2012-03-06 14:47 it does* 2012-03-06 14:48 that typo shows that you have an azerty keyboard :) 2012-03-06 14:50 heheh :) 2012-03-06 14:54 then there is probably something broken in my local git repo 2012-03-06 14:54 "git remote show origin" does list jz-3.1 and jz-3.2 indeed 2012-03-06 14:55 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 14:55 but in .git/refs/remotes/origin/ they do not appear 2012-03-06 15:10 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 15:42 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 16:13 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 16:18 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 16:22 jluis|work has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 16:32 antoniodariuh_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 17:04 dptech has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 17:13 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 17:26 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120306-1722/ 2012-03-06 17:26 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 17:55 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 18:16 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 19:04 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/: M1rc3 BOM to BOOKSHELF conversion (may be incomplete) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/b791fd7 2012-03-06 19:04 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Merge branch 'master' of projects.qi-hardware.com:wernermisc (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/a9c9be0 2012-03-06 19:30 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/: added milkymist_one_bom_rc3.csv generated from Adam's original (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/19e2f84 2012-03-06 19:32 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 19:43 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 20:20 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120306-2017/ 2012-03-06 20:25 that build must find all this horribly traumatizing. several times a day, the bot shouts at it that it has FAILED yet again, and again, ... 2012-03-06 20:40 and still it doesn't give up and tries again and again 2012-03-06 20:49 well, that's what the bot is for. mercilessly keeps on hitting that poor build ... 2012-03-06 21:02 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 21:02 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 21:35 has anybody ever tried the g_mass_storage module on dingoo/nanonote? 2012-03-06 21:40 g_mass_storage jz-udc: failed to start g_mass_storage: -6 2012-03-06 21:40 :( 2012-03-06 21:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/bomshelf: support adding components to the BOM (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/dd3c0c2 2012-03-06 21:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/SUPPLEMENT: some improvements for the audio sheet (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/af4482d 2012-03-06 21:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r4/dsv/SUPPLEMENT: fix various broken or redirected PDF links (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/4bcaa5f 2012-03-06 21:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r1/dsc/bomshelf: new tag X to delete a part number (and all references) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/0750ed8 2012-03-06 21:44 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1r1/dsv/SUPPLEMENT: delete mechanical components; fixed last non-Yageo bad link (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/d3a27c7 2012-03-06 21:47 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 22:12 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 22:13 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-03-06 22:14 wpwrak: nah, seems it BUILDS again and again, no? 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