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2012-02-24 03:44 <unclouded> xiangfu: is there any source material for the Ben character printed on to outside of the NanoNote case?
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2012-02-24 03:52 <xiangfu> unclouded, yes. I also try to find out that one. then will let you know. 
2012-02-24 03:53 <unclouded> xiangfu: thanks.  So is the character I used slightly different then?
2012-02-24 03:53 <xiangfu> unclouded, it's different. 
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2012-02-24 07:33 <jyfl987> xiangfu: ftp://ftp.ingenic.cn/3sw/01linux/01loader/u-boot/u-boot-1.1.6-jz-20110719-r1728-add-jz4770.patch.bz2
2012-02-24 07:34 <xiangfu> jyfl987, wow. that u-boot-1.1.6 patch
2012-02-24 07:34 <jyfl987> xiangfu: so it could be used for xburst-boot?
2012-02-24 07:35 <xiangfu> what you mean?
2012-02-24 07:35 <xiangfu> xburst-tools
2012-02-24 07:35 <jyfl987> yep its xburst-tools
2012-02-24 07:35 <jyfl987> xiangfu: i see someone are trying to port debian on ainol novo7(mips edition)
2012-02-24 07:36 <xiangfu> jyfl987, we have the jz4770 usbboot source code. sent by someone work for Ingenic.
2012-02-24 07:36 <pabs3> jyfl987: do you have a link about that?
2012-02-24 07:37 <jyfl987> pabs3: do you mean what i said about debian port?
2012-02-24 07:37 <xiangfu> jyfl987, http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/Ingneic/
2012-02-24 07:38 <xiangfu> pabs3, it's under 'debian-mips@lists.debian.org'
2012-02-24 07:38 <jyfl987> xiangfu: got it
2012-02-24 07:38 <xiangfu> pabs3, this one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mips/2012/02/msg00014.html
2012-02-24 07:38 <pabs3> jyfl987: yeah
2012-02-24 07:38 <jyfl987> lists.debian.org/debian-mips/2012/02/msg00014.html
2012-02-24 07:39 <jyfl987> xiangfu: this guys's destination is closed to mine :]
2012-02-24 07:39 <xiangfu> jyfl987, I have replied that email thread :)
2012-02-24 07:39 <jyfl987> xiangfu: just saw that.
2012-02-24 07:40 <jyfl987> xiangfu: and i hope those ac100 hacker can give help, i have an ac100 which have ubuntu installed,
2012-02-24 07:41 <xiangfu> jyfl987, what is 'ac100'? I think all you need is JZ4770 program manual. :D
2012-02-24 07:41 <whitequark> xiangfu: toshiba ac100
2012-02-24 07:41 <whitequark> a very crappy ARM netbook, which is also very cheap
2012-02-24 07:41 <jyfl987> whitequark: you got it
2012-02-24 07:41 <whitequark> but the GPU is unsupported by Linux
2012-02-24 07:41 <whitequark> which is why it's crappy
2012-02-24 07:41 <whitequark> it is also proprietary and undoc'd
2012-02-24 07:41 <xiangfu> :)
2012-02-24 07:41 <jyfl987> whitequark: well it has tegra for linux
2012-02-24 07:42 <jyfl987> whitequark: so its now have supported GPU :]
2012-02-24 07:42 <whitequark> jyfl987: maybe you have other ac100? because a lot of people in my country bought it
2012-02-24 07:42 <whitequark> and then found out that it won't actually work good
2012-02-24 07:42 <whitequark> maybe there was a somewhat working blob
2012-02-24 07:42 <whitequark> but no proper driver
2012-02-24 07:43 <whitequark> I don't really remember, but there was a lot of disappointment over it and when I checked, it was awfully closed
2012-02-24 07:43 <jyfl987> whitequark: you can go to #ac100 for help, i just use their ppa source at launchpad to get support
2012-02-24 07:43 <whitequark> nah, I don't have one
2012-02-24 07:43 <xiangfu> jyfl987, you needs jz4770 program manual. and maybe you can re-use the code from 'http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/qi-kernel/'.  there is v3.2 support for jz4740. 
2012-02-24 07:44 <jyfl987> xiangfu: how about SIMD? since ingenic use mips isa, its not a problem for me to learn that but SIMD is just another thing
2012-02-24 07:45 <xiangfu> jyfl987, well. step by step. 1. maybe your jz4770 boot linux 2. then make it works better. :)
2012-02-24 07:45 <xiangfu> s/maybe/make
2012-02-24 07:45 <qi-bot> xiangfu meant: "jyfl987, well. step by step. 1. make your jz4770 boot linux 2. then make it works better. :)"
2012-02-24 07:46 <jyfl987> xiangfu: ok
2012-02-24 07:46 <jyfl987> xiangfu: just wonder if your kernel could use the kernel module provide by android kernel?
2012-02-24 07:46 <whitequark> jyfl987: simd is not really documented but somewhat reverse engineered
2012-02-24 07:46 <jyfl987> via ABI
2012-02-24 07:46 <jyfl987> whitequark: can you show me a link?
2012-02-24 07:47 <whitequark> jyfl987: sure, wait a few minutes
2012-02-24 07:47 <whitequark> just fyi: in the mplayer port, they first assemble an accelerated .c codec to the asm source (.s)
2012-02-24 07:47 <whitequark> then insert SIMD instructions with `.byte' and a weird AWK script
2012-02-24 07:48 <jyfl987> whitequark: i have download that, if i got an exists document , i wont want to rework :]
2012-02-24 07:50 <xiangfu> ( if your kernel could use the kernel module provide by android kernel) jyfl987 you mean the ben nanonote kernel?
2012-02-24 07:51 <xiangfu> jyfl987, ben nanonote use upstream kernel. and some patches. you can find those patches at openwrt-xburst.git.
2012-02-24 07:51 <xiangfu> jyfl987, sorry. I never look into android kernel. 
2012-02-24 07:51 <jyfl987> xiangfu: yes, i mean your qi-kernel 
2012-02-24 07:52 <jyfl987> xiangfu: if it could, then it wont need the source code for touch screen mcu driver
2012-02-24 07:52 <jyfl987> xiangfu: just for my target, :] , i know its unacceptable for you 
2012-02-24 07:57 <whitequark> jyfl987: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/50216-jzsimd-mxu-instructions-list/
2012-02-24 07:57 <whitequark> this
2012-02-24 07:57 <whitequark> and also this would help you: http://mosquito.dyndns.tv/freesvn/trunk/nanonote/forth/xburst-media.fs
2012-02-24 07:57 <jyfl987> whitequark: aha, its a forth?
2012-02-24 07:57 <jyfl987> i love forth system
2012-02-24 07:58 <whitequark> jyfl987: er, I think that's some unrelated example code
2012-02-24 07:58 <jyfl987> whitequark: thanks very much
2012-02-24 07:58 <whitequark> the CPU is very certainly not a forth machine ;)
2012-02-24 07:59 <jyfl987> whitequark: yes, maybe we could got a try of chunk moore's green array :]
2012-02-24 07:59 * jyfl987 afk
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2012-02-24 09:34 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: m1 patches: add fix-vga-vsync-pulses.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/91da747
2012-02-24 09:34 <xiangfu> wpwrak, I git push my commit on video parameters. :)
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2012-02-24 10:40 <xiangfu> have any idea on test plan of Milkymist One: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_Firmware#Test_Plan ?
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2012-02-24 11:50 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: nice, test plan! :-)
2012-02-24 11:50 <wolfspraul> that's my only idea so far
2012-02-24 11:50 <wolfspraul> :-)
2012-02-24 11:50 <wolfspraul> TEST PLAN - YEAH!
2012-02-24 12:13 <wpwrak> (usb issues) lemme write a post ...
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2012-02-24 13:09 <T44> hi
2012-02-24 13:10 <T44> xiangfu: zear just told me that you might be able to help me, i am looking for someone that can read chinese
2012-02-24 13:10 <T44> just a few words
2012-02-24 13:10 <T44> from a schematic design
2012-02-24 13:10 <xiangfu> yes
2012-02-24 13:11 <T44> http://uphotos.eepw.com.cn/jiajunpeng/pics/1249971381_0.jpg
2012-02-24 13:11 <T44> not sure if there is anything helpful
2012-02-24 13:12 <T44> google translate helps me through various forum threads, but it cant help with pictures :)
2012-02-24 13:13 <xiangfu> still loading the picture. 
2012-02-24 13:14 <zear> T44, it's relatively easy to transcribe the characters
2012-02-24 13:15 <zear> the key is to count the number of strokes in each character and then look in lists of characters with that number of strokes
2012-02-24 13:16 <xiangfu> left top (本图纸仅共参考，与实际电路可能略有不同) This drawing is only a reference, may be slightly different with the product.
2012-02-24 13:16 <zear> although it's probably easier for japanese where they use only ~10 000 kanji, so the lists are relatively small
2012-02-24 13:16 <T44> xiangfu: heh, actually already figured as much, the schematic doesnt exactly match the device :)
2012-02-24 13:16 <xiangfu> right(保持开关)  switch
2012-02-24 13:17 <xiangfu> right(蜂鸣器示意图) the buzzer
2012-02-24 13:17 <T44> aaah, thats what the mystery device is :)
2012-02-24 13:17 <T44> that part didnt make much sense
2012-02-24 13:17 <viric> xiangfu: what terminal emulator do you use in your workstation?
2012-02-24 13:17 <viric> I wonder with what font
2012-02-24 13:18 <DocScrutinizer51> mhm, panasonic.eu adverises mobile phone with 5730 modem chip
2012-02-24 13:18 <DocScrutinizer51> might actually be semi-interewsting at least for me
2012-02-24 13:19 <xiangfu> bottom(金属圈及触片示意图)  Metal ring and the contacts film
2012-02-24 13:19 <xiangfu> viric, gnome-terminal. but I am use the xchat.
2012-02-24 13:19 <DocScrutinizer51> *allegedly* I couldn't flash any sw I build here locally to any MP device
2012-02-24 13:19 <T44> right... thanks
2012-02-24 13:19 <xiangfu> viric, font. I am use a Chinese font. :)
2012-02-24 13:20 <viric> xiangfu: ah, do you use antialiased fonts in the terminal?
2012-02-24 13:20 <T44> that wasnt very useful unfortunately :)
2012-02-24 13:20 <DocScrutinizer51> still I could know what the modem is *actually* doing
2012-02-24 13:21 <T44> xiangfu: thanks for your help, guess i'll just have to try to understand the rest of the schematic :)
2012-02-24 13:21 <xiangfu> viric, I am use a free Chinese font: (http://wenq.org/) seems there is no english page. included by most linux system.
2012-02-24 13:21 <T44> its a very confusing design
2012-02-24 13:22 <xiangfu> viric, ( antialiased fonts) what this mean? 
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2012-02-24 13:22 <viric> xiangfu: not only with foreground and background color, but also with pixels within the range
2012-02-24 13:22 <xiangfu> T44 understand the rest of the schematic. yes. :)
2012-02-24 13:22 <viric> xiangfu: http://www.graphicsacademy.com/what_antialiastext.php
2012-02-24 13:22 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody interested in the precise URL?
2012-02-24 13:23 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer51: what could I (or any other hw hacker) do with that phone?
2012-02-24 13:23 <whitequark> it's tivoized anyway isn't it?
2012-02-24 13:23 <DocScrutinizer51> NFC
2012-02-24 13:24 <T44> bye
2012-02-24 13:24 <DocScrutinizer51> afk for 60s
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2012-02-24 13:24 <whitequark> NFC as in "near field communication"?
2012-02-24 13:24 <DocScrutinizer51> back
2012-02-24 13:25 <wpwrak> does NFC have any use outside marketing ? ;-)
2012-02-24 13:26 <wpwrak> well, marketing and horror
2012-02-24 13:26 <xiangfu> viric, I think my is "Anti-Aliased" font
2012-02-24 13:26 <xiangfu> s/my/mine
2012-02-24 13:26 <qi-bot> xiangfu meant: "viric, I think mine is "Anti-Aliased" font"
2012-02-24 13:26 <viric> :) ok
2012-02-24 13:27 <DocScrutinizer51> NoF*Clue
2012-02-24 13:27 <viric> (I dislike antialiased glyphs for terminals)
2012-02-24 13:27 <wpwrak> as in companies proposing some very scary lose-your-money-fast (codename "payment") systems
2012-02-24 13:27 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: heh ;-)
2012-02-24 13:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dict tivoize
2012-02-24 13:28 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer51: bootloader which checks rsa signature
2012-02-24 13:28 <whitequark> or: the great strawman of gpl3
2012-02-24 13:28 <DocScrutinizer51> http://smartphones.panasonic.eu
2012-02-24 13:29 <xiangfu> viric, I guess wpwrak is using "Non Anti-Aliased" font :-)
2012-02-24 13:29 <DocScrutinizer51> actually has NFC ;-P
2012-02-24 13:29 <viric> xiangfu: why would he?
2012-02-24 13:31 <wpwrak> xiangfu: yeah. mainly X11 fonts 7x14 and 6x10 ;-)
2012-02-24 13:31 <xiangfu> I saw his screenshot only. 
2012-02-24 13:31 <xiangfu> s/only/once
2012-02-24 13:31 <qi-bot> xiangfu meant: "I saw his screenshot once. "
2012-02-24 13:33 <DocScrutinizer51> modem: http://www.stericsson.com/products/m5730-thor.jsp
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2012-02-24 13:37 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer51: as you're now into that modem stuff, can you enlighten me...
2012-02-24 13:38 <whitequark> I ran `strings' (and IDA, but that was less interesting) on modem firmware, and it looks like it's some 20 year old codebase from ten different companies including stericsson, siemens, someone bought by intel and more
2012-02-24 13:38 <whitequark> all loosely screwed together and patched three times in a row
2012-02-24 13:39 <whitequark> (on Samsung Galaxy SII modem fw)
2012-02-24 13:41 <DocScrutinizer51> ooops 5780 inside, not 5730
2012-02-24 13:41 <viric> xiangfu: ah ok :)
2012-02-24 13:41 <viric> DocScrutinizer51: what's good in a 5730?
2012-02-24 13:42 <viric> or 5780
2012-02-24 13:42 <DocScrutinizer51> the fact that I know it 'from inside' :)
2012-02-24 13:43 <viric> ahh
2012-02-24 13:43 <DocScrutinizer51> actually I'm the one working on the tickets against this modem here 
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2012-02-24 15:05 <jivs> Hi
2012-02-24 15:05 <rz2k> whitequark: you and grindars published any info about that coding horror on #xda-devs or #cyanogenmod channels/forums? wonder if anyone did same to sgs2 modem.
2012-02-24 15:05 <jivs> trying to get dirtpan working with the latest qi-image
2012-02-24 15:06 <jivs> the izcoordinator seems to run fine, but when i run iz assoc with another ben, there is no resonse
2012-02-24 15:06 <jivs> can anyone  here plz help to debug the problem
2012-02-24 15:10 <wpwrak> does dmesg reveal anything ?
2012-02-24 15:11 <jivs> it doesn;t load spi_atben.ko, so i am manually doing insmod 
2012-02-24 15:11 <jivs> after that it says spi_atben is ready for mischief
2012-02-24 15:11 <jivs> is there anything else i could check
2012-02-24 15:15 <wpwrak> hmm, with spi_atben not loaded, you could check whether communication works at all - by using the tools from ben-wpan
2012-02-24 15:15 <jivs> http://pastebin.com/xTsLagaf  :-result of lsmod after doing insmod
2012-02-24 15:16 <wpwrak> that looks reasonable
2012-02-24 15:16 <wpwrak> (tools) e.g., atrf-txrx
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2012-02-24 15:17 <jivs> ok
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2012-02-24 15:18 <jivs> how imp. are kmod-fakehard and kmod-fakelb for atben to work?
2012-02-24 15:19 <jivs> iz listphy doesn;t show any interface w/o these packages
2012-02-24 15:19 <wpwrak> jivs: i think they don't matter at all
2012-02-24 15:20 <wpwrak> oh, are these devices that worked before ? or are they new ones ? (the atbens and/or the bens)
2012-02-24 15:20 <jivs> and shows wpan-phy0 and wpan-phy1 with those packages
2012-02-24 15:21 <jivs> the atbens and ben work well when we use the dirtpan compiled separately in a kernel
2012-02-24 15:21 <jivs> now we are trying to get it working with new image 
2012-02-24 15:21 <jivs> silly question, is iz required at all for dirtpan to work now?
2012-02-24 15:21 <wpwrak> ah, then there's no point in testing with atrf-txrx. sorry, didn't realize what you were doing
2012-02-24 15:22 <jivs> okay
2012-02-24 15:22 <wpwrak> yes, you still need the IEEE 802.15.4 link layer
2012-02-24 15:22 <jivs> okay
2012-02-24 15:25 <jivs> could it be any thing missing on kernel or any package missing?
2012-02-24 15:27 <wpwrak> don't know. nothing obvious comes to mind
2012-02-24 15:27 <wpwrak> you seem to have everything i can think of
2012-02-24 15:27 <jivs> has anyone ever got two atben working with the new qi image?
2012-02-24 15:28 <jivs> the izcoordinator seems to run fine and listen for clients but clients never recieved any short address
2012-02-24 15:29 <wpwrak> does the system have an MMC driver running ? if yes, you'd have to disable it before doing anything with WPAN
2012-02-24 15:29 <jivs> i tried to run izcoordinator on ben with new image and iz assoc on ben with old kernel, doesn;t work
2012-02-24 15:29 <jivs> hmm
2012-02-24 15:29 <jivs> how can i check that?
2012-02-24 15:30 <jivs> i have kmod-mmc_3.0-1_xburst.ipk kmod-mmc-spi_3.0-1_xburst.ipk installed on ben now
2012-02-24 15:30 <wpwrak> echo jz4740-mmc.0 >/sys/bus/platform/drivers/jz4740-mmc/unbind
2012-02-24 15:30 <wpwrak> should disable it
2012-02-24 15:31 <wpwrak> also ks8995 looks suspicious
2012-02-24 15:31 <jivs> does it give any message?
2012-02-24 15:32 <wpwrak> and the at86rf230 driver is compiled as a module ? if yes, it seems that you didn't load it. but then i don't understand where your wpan-phy0 comes from
2012-02-24 15:32 <jivs> wpan-phy0 might be coming from fakehard as well
2012-02-24 15:32 <wpwrak> (mmc driver) hmm yes, it should spit out some errors because it can't figure out what to do with atben
2012-02-24 15:33 <jivs> didn;t give any error for me
2012-02-24 15:33 <wpwrak> i'd get rid of fakehard. it can only make things worse :)
2012-02-24 15:33 <jivs> at86rf230 driver will be displayed on lsmod?
2012-02-24 15:34 <wpwrak> assuming it's a module, yes. does  dmesg | grep -i rf23  show anything ?
2012-02-24 15:34 <jivs> i doubt i have at86rf230
2012-02-24 15:34 <jivs> nothing
2012-02-24 15:35 <wpwrak> then there's very little reason for atben to do more than sit there, looking pretty ;-)
2012-02-24 15:36 <wpwrak> but you also have to get rid of the conflicting drivers. anything else that uses MMC will clash.
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2012-02-24 15:36 <jivs> lsmod has mmc_spi
2012-02-24 15:36 <wpwrak> perhaps just unloading the critters will make them clean up properly
2012-02-24 15:36 <jivs> do you thing that might be an issue?
2012-02-24 15:36 <antoniodariush> wpwrak, do you have a list of the minimum required packages that we need to select from the toolchain to get it working
2012-02-24 15:37 <wpwrak> mmc_spi is a little strange. not sure what it tries to do. i'd get rid of it.
2012-02-24 15:37 <jivs> okay
2012-02-24 15:38 <wpwrak> antoniodariush: i don't how things map into packages. i always build things from scratch, without going though openwrt
2012-02-24 15:40 <antoniodariush> we used to do that as well but we'd like to avoid that and get it working out of the box
2012-02-24 15:40 <wpwrak> (mmc_spi) that's an MMC driver that works on top of SPI. what's weird about it is that we have a perfectly good MMC controller. do if it uses the same pins, it would be a grossly inefficient alternative to the proper controller (and driver). if it uses other pins, i'd kinda wonder which.
2012-02-24 15:40 <wpwrak> (mmc_spi) so that's another item where nothing good can come from having it
2012-02-24 15:41 <jivs> i am recompiling w/o these packages now
2012-02-24 15:41 <jivs> the at86rf230 driver is selected on the toolchain
2012-02-24 15:41 <wpwrak> too bad xiangfu is probably asleep now. he must have tested the packaging and have a working sequence.
2012-02-24 15:41 <jivs> but i am not sure if it is being build/loaded properly
2012-02-24 15:42 <wpwrak> ks8995 is that sdio-wlan device, right ? do you actually have that ? if not, one more item to get rid of
2012-02-24 15:43 <jivs> no we dont use that 
2012-02-24 15:43 <wpwrak> okay. so trading all the devices that don't make sense for the one that does ought to improve the situation :)
2012-02-24 15:44 <jivs> :-)
2012-02-24 15:44 <wpwrak> i don't know if there are internal dependencies in the openwrt build process that would knock out at86rf230. chances are that it's just not loaded
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2012-02-24 15:55 <wpwrak> sholdn't be. atben talks to the ports directly
2012-02-24 15:56 <wpwrak> well, spi_atben
2012-02-24 15:56 <wpwrak> ah yes, that's another driver that's missing
2012-02-24 15:57 <jivs> ok
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2012-02-24 15:59 <jivs> [  561.980000] at86rf230: probe of spi32766.0 failed with error -16
2012-02-24 16:00 <jivs> actually when we are doing insmod on at86rf230.ko, it is giving that error
2012-02-24 16:00 <jivs> hints anything?
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2012-02-24 16:18 <wpwrak> that's EBUSY. perhaps something else is in the way ?
2012-02-24 16:25 <jivs> got rid of that error with echo jz470-mmc...
2012-02-24 16:25 <jivs> testing further now
2012-02-24 16:33 <jivs> yeh it works now
2012-02-24 16:33 <jivs> got short address from coordinator
2012-02-24 16:33 <jivs> thanks wpwrak 
2012-02-24 16:34 <jivs> will test dirtpan now
2012-02-24 16:35 <wpwrak> whee ! :)
2012-02-24 16:39 <jivs> thanks.. :-)
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2012-02-24 16:50 <wpwrak> so it all works now ?
2012-02-24 17:00 <antoniodariush> wpwrak, so far so good we only have a problem on the dirtpan now
2012-02-24 17:00 <antoniodariush> "/dev/net/tun: No such file or directory"
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2012-02-24 19:09 * zenlunatic just got his BNN... about to unbox
2012-02-24 19:17 <zenlunatic> is the screen supposed to be a little flickery?
2012-02-24 19:22 <viric> zenlunatic: not that I remember. but maybe my retina has a longer integration time
2012-02-24 19:23 <viric> talking about flickering...
2012-02-24 19:23 <viric> These christmas, the governmet put the street decoration lights a lot using LEDs
2012-02-24 19:23 <viric> which had such a power supply, that were lighting only half of the 50Hz AC cycle
2012-02-24 19:24 <viric> and a long street blinking at 50Hz flashes instead of 100Hz was quite nocieable
2012-02-24 19:24 <viric> noticeable
2012-02-24 19:24 <viric> (I exposed the opposite way I was experiencing and deducing the situation)
2012-02-24 19:26 <rz2k> lol
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2012-02-24 19:34 <zenlunatic> seems to be a driver problem
2012-02-24 19:35 <zenlunatic> cool... wheezy sees it
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2012-02-24 20:26 <DocScrutinizer51> whitequark: I have no idea what Samsung flashes to the modem, but I dwefinitely not seen such crap you mentionee, anywhere in gthe image I build every day
2012-02-24 20:28 <DocScrutinizer51> whitequark: maybe OSE has some special curls for Siemens etc, and this might show up in a binary
2012-02-24 20:30 <DocScrutinizer51> whitequark: also are you sure you've not scanned the APE stuff Samsung added? you know, I'm just talking about modem
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