2012-02-20 00:37 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 00:41 Artyom, you may want to add some important notes you consider when getting into osgps here http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/index.php?title=GPS_Free_Stack/Notes_About_OSGPS 2012-02-20 00:41 as i already saw you added the other's day book in the wiki :-) 2012-02-20 01:02 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 01:22 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 01:44 Hi, I'm having trouble backing up my NanoNote. It's booted to MMC and I want to back up the NAND. I do "mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt" and it works, but all the files and directories in /mnt are owned by uid and gid 1001, not 0 as I was expecting. The web and man pages for mount aren't helping. Is there something I've missed? 2012-02-20 01:51 Spot the idiot. I just booted to NAND and the files really -are- owned by 1001 2012-02-20 01:56 why you expcted 0? 2012-02-20 01:57 i mean had you confimed it on /etc/passwd ? 2012-02-20 01:59 I expected all the entries in / to be owned by root but they're owned by 1001, which doesn't even have an entry in /etc/passwd, but it's OK, I thought I had used "mount" badly but it turns out the files really are owned by 1001. Don't know how they got like that though 2012-02-20 02:00 It's a 2011-11-13 in NAND. It's ages since I installed it but I suppose I must have used the stock .ubi.bz2 from http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/images/Ben_NanoNote_2GB_NAND/2011-02-23/ 2012-02-20 02:01 I haven't checked that file to see if the files are all owned by 1001 though 2012-02-20 02:03 !seen nielsk 2012-02-20 02:03 kristianpaul, nielsk? hmm... I'm trying to remember... maybe... I'm not sure... no. I don't remember nielsk. 2012-02-20 02:04 !seen niel* 2012-02-20 02:04 kristianpaul, I found 2 matches to your query: nielsle, nielsle_. nielsle (~nielsle@4135136-cl69.boa.fiberby.dk) was last seen quitting #qi-hardware 31 weeks 2 days 14 hours 19 minutes ago (15.07. 11:44) stating "Client Quit" after spending 1 minute there. 2012-02-20 02:06 ah same nanonomap dont support gpsd.. 2012-02-20 02:06 s/same/shame 2012-02-20 02:06 kristianpaul meant: "ah shame nanonomap dont support gpsd.." 2012-02-20 02:06 how are you connecting your GPS to your NN? 2012-02-20 02:07 by TP4/TP5 2012-02-20 02:08 are they the pads under the battery? 2012-02-20 02:08 nope.. 2012-02-20 02:10 ah, got it: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console 2012-02-20 02:11 yes 2012-02-20 02:11 here others pics 2012-02-20 02:12 actually i'm sourcing another gps receiver box for a frien's project 2012-02-20 02:12 anyone knows if tuxbrain is still alive? :/ 2012-02-20 02:12 he is yes 2012-02-20 02:13 There's an interesting side effect of all files being owned by 1001 in the rootfs: All the files that -are- owned by root are the ones changed -after- the initial flashing of NAND, so you could even do this deliberately as a crude change-tracking mechanism 2012-02-20 02:13 but nanomap is very good for adding marks, but afaik no gpsd supprot.. 2012-02-20 02:13 seems i need try OE again.. 2012-02-20 02:14 unclouded: not changed, but recreated 2012-02-20 02:14 truncating a file and writing over it/appending to it does not change the uid 2012-02-20 02:14 check it yourself 2012-02-20 02:14 ah ok, not such a good change-tracking mechanism then. shame, it would be a good hack 2012-02-20 02:15 pfft, you can make selinux do same things for you 2012-02-20 02:15 or even plain inotify 2012-02-20 02:15 would have been quite cpu-hungry, through 2012-02-20 02:16 I can't remember what I changed on this file system. I want to reflash to the latest but I don't want to have to keep a full backup yet I don't want to lose anything I did create or change 2012-02-20 02:17 perhaps more importantly, I want to re-apply any changes to the freshly flashed image 2012-02-20 02:17 packages I installed, configuration I changed and so on 2012-02-20 02:17 find -mtime 2012-02-20 02:18 I knew I was being slow. Thanks 2012-02-20 02:29 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 02:42 zenlunatic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 03:04 http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2012/02/on-economics-of-spark.html 2012-02-20 04:09 fossrox has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 04:32 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 05:20 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 05:23 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 05:48 qwebirc70840 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 05:49 hello everyone 2012-02-20 05:49 qwebirc70840, hello 2012-02-20 05:50 I have some cool news 2012-02-20 05:50 I got full imagemagick running on my Ben 2012-02-20 05:51 this is cenobyte by the way 2012-02-20 05:53 and i have an idea on how to bring csound to the OpenWRT image 2012-02-20 05:55 let me know if anyone is there 2012-02-20 05:55 qwebirc70840, what is the different on your imagemagick with the upstream one? 2012-02-20 05:55 Well first off, I am running Debian Sid on the NAND 2012-02-20 05:56 and I have the full debian cli version 2012-02-20 05:56 oh. 2012-02-20 05:56 it requires swap to be enabled 2012-02-20 05:57 what's funny is that it took 10 minutes to resize a very large image to half size 2012-02-20 05:57 but it DID do it! 2012-02-20 05:57 pabspabspabs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 05:57 for 320x240 to probably 800x600 images it should be better 2012-02-20 06:07 well maybe i will just try mailing list 2012-02-20 06:07 just for the record, I found old csound 4.0 source code in a book which can be made with the standard 'make' as opposed to scons 2012-02-20 06:08 I am thinking it should be trivial to make for OpenWRTqi 2012-02-20 06:16 OK well bye 2012-02-20 06:49 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 07:28 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 07:30 What's the tidiest way to prevent a service starting up on the NanoNote? Should I simply delete the link in /etc/rc.d or is there a nicer way like Debian's update-rc.d? 2012-02-20 07:35 jluis|work has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 08:02 piey has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 08:15 Ofpo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 08:31 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 08:34 pabspabspabs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 08:36 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add a Makefile.firmware for only compile firmware (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/xburst-tools/fc85c03 2012-02-20 08:36 unclouded, /etc/init.d/SERVICE disable 2012-02-20 08:36 better do disable or enable. 2012-02-20 08:39 xiangfu: thanks for that! 2012-02-20 08:42 * xiangfu got an email : xburst-tools REMOVED from testing. because the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/613610 2012-02-20 08:43 :( 2012-02-20 08:45 xiangfu: btw, I could not manage to build well the latest xburst-tools... I kept using some 'old 2012-02-20 08:45 ' 2012-02-20 08:45 viric, what is the error? 2012-02-20 08:45 I can't remember :) I tried on new year 2012-02-20 08:46 I'll report once I recheck 2012-02-20 09:08 Openfree` has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 09:08 Ofpo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 09:24 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: cgminer: now cgminer+icarus is 10% better then origin miner.py (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/c38f277 2012-02-20 09:30 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:00 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:01 newcup has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:03 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:06 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:09 DocScrutinizer51 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:09 zedstar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:09 zedstar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:12 Ofpo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:15 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:25 ankit has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:38 jivs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:48 rejon_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 10:51 wolfspraul: do you know of any distributors of NN which actually ship ? 2012-02-20 10:52 ankit has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 11:34 wpwrak: ^ also 2012-02-20 11:36 sharism ? :) 2012-02-20 11:36 mhm 2012-02-20 11:36 I'm interested in atben/atusb 2012-02-20 11:36 mainly 2012-02-20 11:36 ankit has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 11:36 sharism doesn't seem to distribute them 2012-02-20 11:36 sharism should have these soon (it seems) 2012-02-20 11:37 but they come from tuxbrain, so ... 2012-02-20 11:38 well, tuxbrain eventually just cancelled my order. and I have yet to get a moneyback, as the Visa payment is already authorized 2012-02-20 11:38 :/ 2012-02-20 11:38 I'd prefer to get the hardware, but... 2012-02-20 11:38 (tuxbrain) oh :( 2012-02-20 11:38 maybe he already sent all his atben/atusb to wolfgang 2012-02-20 11:38 he didn't mention that 2012-02-20 11:39 just no reply within 20 days of order placement 2012-02-20 11:40 yeah, that's bad 2012-02-20 11:40 it would be faster to get the pcbs manufactured at a fab and place an order on digikey, seriously 2012-02-20 11:40 maybe I should just do that 2012-02-20 11:40 not to mention it would be significantly cheaper in this case 2012-02-20 11:42 if you're planning to modify the design, then making your own board can be a good idea. but ... unless you have good RF measurement equipment, you may want to have a reference device you can compare with 2012-02-20 11:42 a reference does make life quite a lot easier :) 2012-02-20 11:42 I have atben/atusb 2012-02-20 11:42 whitequark: how many do you want? 2012-02-20 11:42 yes, that's what I wanted to buy some premade devices 2012-02-20 11:43 wolfspraul: hm, I'm unlikely to fry atusb but quite the opposite for atben 2012-02-20 11:43 hence I think 2 atben/1 atusb is good enough 2012-02-20 11:43 *why I wanted 2012-02-20 11:43 anything else you want? also some nanos? 2012-02-20 11:45 probably no at the moment. I realized that I have a lot of devices which could act as SPI hosts 2012-02-20 11:45 m1, ft232, stm32, arduinos, whatever 2012-02-20 11:45 buying a NN just for that purpose is silly 2012-02-20 11:46 m1 is cool :-) 2012-02-20 11:46 a little overkill - *maybe* :-) 2012-02-20 11:46 hehe 2012-02-20 11:47 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 11:47 I've already decided to use stm32 anyway as the main CPU for that project 2012-02-20 11:48 cheap, easy as atmegas, faster and more powerful than atmegas, uses less power than atmegas. 2012-02-20 11:54 kukac has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 11:58 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 12:05 ankit__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 12:43 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 12:52 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 13:36 zenlunatic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 13:49 the as-it-turns-out-really-opensource-osPID is in production! 2012-02-20 13:49 http://www.ospid.com/blog/and-so-it-begins/ 2012-02-20 13:56 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 14:54 jivs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 15:14 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 15:37 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 15:38 whitequark: nice to hear 2012-02-20 15:38 whitequark: do you know if and when they will do a variant legal to use in sold products? 2012-02-20 15:39 or electrical installations. means CE and a rail-mount case 2012-02-20 15:39 top-hat-rail mountable case 2012-02-20 15:49 hm 2012-02-20 15:49 I can ask, of course, but what do you mean by "legal to use"? 2012-02-20 15:49 some certification? 2012-02-20 15:49 ah, got it. CE. ok, I'll ask 2012-02-20 15:59 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 15:59 whitequark: well.. as it is i couldnt mount it onto a customers wall, with ce i can. makes it more interresting. commercial pid controllers start at ~60€ when temperature only and ~120€ when generic and end somewhere at around 500€ 2012-02-20 16:05 roh: I emailed him 2012-02-20 16:05 also, ordered the thingy. 2012-02-20 16:06 hehe. nice. please report your experiences 2012-02-20 16:06 I really like how it's done. IMO everything is very well thought-of in it. 2012-02-20 16:06 definitely 2012-02-20 16:06 roh: yeah, sure. I'll write in my blog probably. 2012-02-20 16:07 even when i will not use an extra 'device' as a pid regulator but most likely do it in some 'extra avr' but not any extra high-power output or pcb 2012-02-20 16:07 yeah, that's why I bought ospid and not the reflow shield 2012-02-20 16:07 i can understand why the industrie 'modularizes' such stuff.. but in a opensource industry we can just 'use the code' and integrate such stuff and save money on extra hw 2012-02-20 16:07 (apart from my dislike of countless arduinos) 2012-02-20 16:08 i havent bought a single real arduino afaik. always just worked on other peoples ones or soldered boards myself 2012-02-20 16:08 ^ that. just put in a damned atmega. 2012-02-20 16:09 sure. in the end its nothing different. 2012-02-20 16:09 you don't need a fancy name for an atmega with a bootloader. neither you need an IDE nor all other crazy stuff 2012-02-20 16:09 shields consisting of ten wires 2012-02-20 16:09 wtf, people 2012-02-20 16:09 the reason i like arduino is reproducability 2012-02-20 16:09 hm? 2012-02-20 16:09 i can drop a commented pde file somewhere and people can replicate my results. 2012-02-20 16:10 even when i do not use their ui and only a makefile and their libs 2012-02-20 16:10 my editor is vim. i dont use the java stuff. 2012-02-20 16:11 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 16:11 * whitequark prefers kate, but that does not really matter 2012-02-20 16:11 well, won't they be able to replicate it with just an atmega? 2012-02-20 16:11 mostly i dont even have the real bootloader flashed. but the code stays the same and arduino is like the 'documentation layer' to communicate knowledge. helps beginners with less hw and sw knowledge replicate what ive built 2012-02-20 16:11 no. when somebody is forced to solder or forced to use a makefile you have upped the requirements immensively. 2012-02-20 16:12 then you have some very simple or very typical projects 2012-02-20 16:12 when you only say 'use this .pde file and wire it accordingly the comments' every 10 year old who can read can do it in one afternoon. makes people have success on hacking. makes them happy and come back, hack some more. its a motivational question. 2012-02-20 16:13 whitequark: not really. but i split em up into multiple simple ones. 2012-02-20 16:13 can I take a look at them? 2012-02-20 16:13 i havent really put stuff online yet with documentation 2012-02-20 16:15 are you teaching someone in a public school or a hackerspace? 2012-02-20 16:15 i have helped getting our hackerspace started and am thinking about how to go on 2012-02-20 16:15 https://trac.raumfahrtagentur.org/wiki/Projekte/EmcArduino 2012-02-20 16:15 but thats only a implementation of somebody elses design and code 2012-02-20 16:16 but it shows how my hw usually looks like 2012-02-20 16:16 nah, mine is similar (when I go through-hole) 2012-02-20 16:16 is it max232 on the right? 2012-02-20 16:18 as per the topic. is it really hard for someone, even 10 years old, to assemble such a circuit having a schematic? 2012-02-20 16:18 maybe you'll have usb-ttl232 module. then you only need to solder a xtal, two resistors and a bunch of wires 2012-02-20 16:18 I did (slightly) more complicated things when I was 10 (or so), and I don't remember that as hard... 2012-02-20 16:18 yes. and the 3pin thing below is a 5V ldo 2012-02-20 16:19 i am not afraid of soldering ;) but yes, we want our cnc mill to spit out pcbs soon 2012-02-20 16:22 ok 2012-02-20 16:22 CNC mill sounds interesting 2012-02-20 16:22 there's another gadget I can't wait to get, printrbot 2012-02-20 16:22 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 16:22 I am pretty sure I could repurpose it as a CNC mill 2012-02-20 16:22 it's very hackable 2012-02-20 16:23 we already got one. 2012-02-20 16:23 damn. 2012-02-20 16:23 * whitequark is envious 2012-02-20 16:23 'just' need to add a faster spindle 2012-02-20 16:23 what do you think of it? 2012-02-20 16:24 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/File:Raumfahrtagentur-prom-4456.jpg 2012-02-20 16:24 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Raumfahrtagentur has more pictures than our trac or wordpress 2012-02-20 16:25 ah, I thought you got printrbot 2012-02-20 16:26 that machine was one of the major reasons we founded raumfahrtagentur 2012-02-20 16:27 the photos are impressive, yes 2012-02-20 16:27 what do the routers on the wall do? 2012-02-20 16:27 which ones. 2012-02-20 16:28 http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/File:Raumfahrtagentur-prom-3737.jpg 2012-02-20 16:28 these are actually old pictures 2012-02-20 16:28 the blue one is only a vlan switch in that case 2012-02-20 16:29 the other one counts ferraris counter revolutions (powermeter) 2012-02-20 16:29 the black box is a adsl2+ modem 2012-02-20 16:29 the pcb in the wooden box is a pcengines wrap board 2c or so 2012-02-20 16:31 what kind of scopes do you use? rigol? 2012-02-20 16:31 we have one tek and one welec 2012-02-20 16:32 both 100mhz types... welec has 4 channels, the tek has 2 i guess 2012-02-20 16:32 but these are both privately held, just permanently stationed in the hackspace 2012-02-20 16:33 bbl. need to run 2012-02-20 16:46 http://www.flickr.com/photos/leahbuechley/1480085930/in/set-72157605143629049/ 2012-02-20 16:46 wearable electronics 2012-02-20 16:47 arduino based :) 2012-02-20 16:47 from http://www.polymathdesignlab.com/weblog/2010/03/happy-ada-lovelace-day-wearable-electronics-edition/ 2012-02-20 16:49 paroneayea has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 16:50 sigh 2012-02-20 16:51 what does that thingy really have with arduino, except for the atmega? 2012-02-20 16:51 completely different hardware 2012-02-20 16:51 completely different paradigm 2012-02-20 16:51 still "arduino" by some reason I yet have to understand 2012-02-20 16:51 same name ! ;-) 2012-02-20 16:52 * whitequark quietly grumbles 2012-02-20 16:54 if I'll take a spare atmega out of my box, drill a hole in the center and suspend it on a thread 2012-02-20 16:54 would it be an "arduino"? 2012-02-20 16:54 second question. would someone try to argue if I'd call it so? 2012-02-20 16:58 they would applaud the bold new design choice 2012-02-20 16:58 * whitequark takes a note: don't hesitate to troll the Arduino community 2012-02-20 17:20 it has blink leds = it is an arduino 2012-02-20 17:20 ;) 2012-02-20 17:21 blinking 2012-02-20 17:21 *g* 2012-02-20 17:22 I should open a shop and sell my entire stash of 555's 2012-02-20 17:22 roh: see PM 2012-02-20 17:24 whitequark: btw. your atmega on a string would probably be considered art 2012-02-20 17:26 oh. art. there was something with a blinking led called iCufflinks or such 2012-02-20 17:26 with all my respect to adafruit, that's a bit over the top. 2012-02-20 17:33 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 17:38 paroneayea has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 17:41 whitequark: thanks 2012-02-20 17:59 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 18:28 Artyom has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 18:54 kristianpaul: hi 2012-02-20 18:56 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 18:58 gnutoo_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 19:01 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 19:31 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 19:48 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 19:50 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 20:12 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 20:20 hi.. 2012-02-20 20:31 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 20:34 fossrox has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 20:38 GNUtoo|laptop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 20:40 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 21:09 GNUtoo|laptop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 21:09 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 21:48 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 22:32 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 22:48 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-20 23:12 good morning everybody 2012-02-20 23:15 good morning/evening