2012-02-15 00:06 Aylax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 00:31 Aylax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 00:51 Aylax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 00:53 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 01:01 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 01:02 orsonzhai has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 02:21 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 02:31 Aylax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 02:43 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 03:02 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 03:14 GitHub79 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 03:14 [milkyminer] kristianpaul created master (+1 new commit): https://github.com/kristianpaul/milkyminer/commit/50568ad 2012-02-15 03:14 [milkyminer/master] Initial project commit - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas 2012-02-15 03:14 GitHub79 has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-02-15 03:42 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 04:33 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 05:11 Brigger has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 05:33 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 05:43 Brigger has quit ["Leaving"] 2012-02-15 05:56 paroneayea has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:14 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:26 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:31 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:34 EOF-sensei1 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:43 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 06:58 hiyuh has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 07:03 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 07:04 cladamw: hi Adam :-) 2012-02-15 07:05 wolfspraul, hi 2012-02-15 07:05 what are the *thickest* sizes you normally find at a simple PCB maker, say for a 1- or 2-layer PCB? 2012-02-15 07:05 I have regularly seen 2.0mm and 2.5mm 2012-02-15 07:05 how about 3? 2012-02-15 07:07 oh cool, just checked here... http://newheart.com.tw/e-capability.asp 2012-02-15 07:07 thickest? I've seen 3mm for like mainframe board but don't know which one is most regular. 2012-02-15 07:08 total maximum board thickness is given there at 5 mm (or 6mm for 'high-end') 2012-02-15 07:08 but that's for all layers... 2012-02-15 07:08 yup. the link is pcb makers they must be have to show their capability. 2012-02-15 07:08 I'm wondering what the thickest core thickness is 2012-02-15 07:09 they only give the 'minimum core thickness' :-) 2012-02-15 07:09 but not the maximum core thickness... 2012-02-15 07:09 I'm wondering whether we can make case parts from a pcb maker :-) 2012-02-15 07:10 hu? for case purpose ? 2012-02-15 07:10 sure 2012-02-15 07:10 hm..i see. 2012-02-15 07:10 can they make rectangular holes? don't know 2012-02-15 07:11 but I think they have an efficient process that could well make nice case parts 2012-02-15 07:11 with silkscreen and all :-) 2012-02-15 07:11 so then i should call here though directly to know what maximum regularly sell in their experiences. ;-) 2012-02-15 07:11 no need, I am just evaluating a little now, will ask here 2012-02-15 07:12 mm...okay 2012-02-15 07:12 as usual everything can be made, theoretically, but I'm wondering what's cheap and common 2012-02-15 07:12 2.5mm core definitely seems standard 2012-02-15 07:12 cladamw: you understand my idea about making case parts out of pcb cores? 2012-02-15 07:12 yes 2012-02-15 07:13 I just realized today that they have an entire efficient process setup that may deliver us pretty much the same parts we have now, just not in acrylic 2012-02-15 07:13 maybe I will make a test case like that first :-) 2012-02-15 07:13 but there shou'd not have a standard thickness said as 2.5mm. ;-) but you can evaluate there with direct call. ;-) 2012-02-15 07:14 no need right now 2012-02-15 07:14 (case) nice idea though. 2012-02-15 07:14 2.5mm is a standard thickness I think 2012-02-15 07:14 judging from what I can see on the market here in China. but I will ask around a bit, just had the idea now - I'm sure there will be some problems... 2012-02-15 07:15 btw, someone wanted to order GPM panle again from me. ;-) fyi. 2012-02-15 07:15 sure, ask first. ;-) 2012-02-15 07:15 gpm ? 2012-02-15 07:15 nice, did you sell them? 2012-02-15 07:15 Giantplus LCM, yes 2012-02-15 07:16 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 07:16 wolfspraul: i wonder if they can reliably source unclad PCBs for you. else, you'll pay for a lot of copper ... 2012-02-15 07:16 I can source them on the market here easier than you source a chewing gum down the street :-) 2012-02-15 07:17 the copper looks nice too actually, but in any case we need holes for the leds 2012-02-15 07:17 I think I will make a test case, I have several anyway, like wood 2012-02-15 07:17 wolfspraul: but i think you may be trying to solve a non-problem. the case is so expensive because you're buying from the wrong place. now you're kinda trying to extract drinking water from rain because you find the price of mineral water at the pharmacy too expensive. 2012-02-15 07:17 I add one out of pcb, with and without copper :-) 2012-02-15 07:18 nah you are too rigid, this is an experiment only 2012-02-15 07:18 I just realized they may have the process already... 2012-02-15 07:18 sure. try it :) but you should also try to find a proper acrylics place 2012-02-15 07:19 you like my pcb idea, I see :-) 2012-02-15 07:22 at least you wouldn't have to worry about crazy thickness tolerances :) 2012-02-15 07:43 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 07:54 askercz has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 07:55 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 08:01 cladamw_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 08:10 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 08:52 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 09:25 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:06 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:19 zumbi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:20 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:26 jivs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:36 fossrox has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 10:56 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 11:01 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 11:14 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 11:32 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: cgminer: add Icarus support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/622aa44 2012-02-15 11:42 cladamw has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 11:50 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 11:56 DocScrutinizer51, hi thanks for your comments on ML. ;-) 2012-02-15 11:56 yw 2012-02-15 11:57 About the V29 ~ V30 : AVR-M1005C080MTACB, it's the compatible part I were trying to meet Panasonic p/n: EZJP0V080DA and suited to replace those 47pF/C273~C277(CD-in & Line-in). so it's compatible. ;-) 2012-02-15 12:08 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 12:11 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 12:42 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 12:43 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 12:52 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 13:01 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 13:19 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 13:45 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 13:45 [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1/patches/rtems/series: update and bring back milkymist-midi-opt.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/60601c9 2012-02-15 14:03 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:22 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:38 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:39 jivs has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:42 abushcrafterforg has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:43 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 14:46 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 15:51 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 16:33 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 16:34 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 16:49 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 17:01 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 17:05 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 17:05 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 17:13 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 17:18 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 19:06 askercz has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 19:09 I am trying to create a xburst toolchain on my linux mint debian system, but the compiler tells me that "no gail package was found". What is this mysterious gail package? 2012-02-15 19:09 or GAIL_LIBS 2012-02-15 19:09 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 19:09 apt-cache search gail 2012-02-15 19:10 I believe you need to install libgail-dev 2012-02-15 19:10 ayla: I have it yet, I installed after, but it is not it wants 2012-02-15 19:10 libgail-3-dev then 2012-02-15 19:11 or libgail-3-0, or libgail18, one of those :p 2012-02-15 19:12 ayla: ok, I am trying now but I don't understand why openwrt needs gnome accessibility tools 2012-02-15 19:12 heh, I don't know 2012-02-15 19:13 ayla: the compilation failed again :) 2012-02-15 19:14 ayla: the compilation failed again :( 2012-02-15 19:14 ayla: it always stops at gkhtml 2012-02-15 19:15 I don't use that toolchain, so I can't really help you 2012-02-15 19:18 'a xburst toolchain'' 2012-02-15 19:18 ? 2012-02-15 19:18 why it wants something beyond gcc, libc and binutils? 2012-02-15 19:19 viric: I would like to set up a build environment to try create NN apps 2012-02-15 19:20 viric: I found a tutorial on qi-hardware and trying to set it up 2012-02-15 19:20 viric: never did that before 2012-02-15 19:20 I don't know the tutorial... 2012-02-15 19:24 viric: I just would like to compile some program for the nanonote 2012-02-15 19:24 :) 2012-02-15 19:25 did you ever cross build anything before? 2012-02-15 19:26 viric: never 2012-02-15 19:28 viric: this is a tutorial I follow 2012-02-15 19:28 viric: http://www.mostlymaths.net/2010/04/my-first-port-to-ben-nanonote-gnugo.html 2012-02-15 19:29 viric: but it stops at compiling the basic kernel and toolchain 2012-02-15 19:30 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 19:31 :) 2012-02-15 19:31 the path to cross-building has many holes where people can fall 2012-02-15 19:31 maybe if you paste the error you get... 2012-02-15 19:32 always wear a Ring of Levitation (+2) 2012-02-15 19:32 +2 always helps, of course 2012-02-15 19:35 what is the absolut minimum I should compile in this kernel to get it work? The NN have not much chip in it, I suppose: cpu, memory, audio, usb, sdcard what else? 2012-02-15 19:37 so 2012-02-15 19:37 you use openwrt right? 2012-02-15 19:37 openwrt should have all prechosen for you 2012-02-15 19:39 viric: http://pastebin.com/g3Qijv3z 2012-02-15 19:40 grr I can't enter that site without cookies 2012-02-15 19:41 viric: I can see, a captcha 2012-02-15 19:43 askercz: try sprunge.us :) 2012-02-15 19:48 viric: http://sprunge.us/bBeG 2012-02-15 19:48 mh 2012-02-15 19:49 gtkhtml can very well depend on a gnome thing 2012-02-15 19:49 why you build gtkhtml, I don't know 2012-02-15 19:50 viric: neither do I. I am chasing it in the menuconfig and kill it. 2012-02-15 19:50 ok 2012-02-15 19:51 viric: for the toolchain, I have not to compile other programs, isn't it? 2012-02-15 19:53 no 2012-02-15 19:59 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 20:00 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 21:00 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 21:14 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 22:02 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 22:13 probably it is a dumb question, but is there a way to compile for the nanonote only by defining with a makefile all the mips-xburst thing and not having a compiled kernel for this platform? 2012-02-15 22:15 yes 2012-02-15 22:24 larsc: is there a tutorial for that? 2012-02-15 22:26 askercz: hm, not sure. what do you want to do? 2012-02-15 22:26 larsc: trying to port apps 2012-02-15 22:26 larsc: with sdl probably 2012-02-15 22:27 if the makefile is properly written all you need to do is pass the correct CC, LD, CFLAGS, etc. variables 2012-02-15 22:28 larsc: thanks, I will search for it. btw, there is a way to use a .so file instead of a .h one? I have a source file, but only a compiled library to link to... 2012-02-15 22:28 zedstar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 22:29 no 2012-02-15 22:29 zedstar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 22:29 zedstar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 22:30 but maybe i misunderstood the question 2012-02-15 22:37 larsc: no, thanks for your reply 2012-02-15 23:00 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-15 23:11 btw, I don't understand yet a lot of things, but NN is fun.