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2012-02-12 13:56 here we have had many days without water... and we have sparks all around 2012-02-12 13:56 I wonder if electronics shops sell them 2012-02-12 13:56 or they can be easy made at home 2012-02-12 14:07 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 14:08 hm 2012-02-12 14:09 (static electricity) I have this as somewhat of a problem 2012-02-12 14:09 but I wonder about other thing 2012-02-12 14:09 I have a floor made of wood here, or, alternatively, linoleum 2012-02-12 14:10 and on this floor stands a chair made of metal 2012-02-12 14:10 if I'd touch it, there would be a giant, loud, bright spark 2012-02-12 14:10 why would this happen? wood/linoleum are insulators afaik 2012-02-12 14:10 and the chair itself should not have such a big capacity, should it? 2012-02-12 14:12 why my finger and the chair itself would ever have such a different potential so the voltage across the gap would be enough to break through air? 2012-02-12 14:13 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 14:25 I think a chair can have enough capacity 2012-02-12 14:26 static electricty gets created specially between insulators 2012-02-12 14:26 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 14:27 viric: ofcourse it gets created between insulators 2012-02-12 14:27 I know that 2012-02-12 14:27 probably the floor and my socks 2012-02-12 14:27 but why does it want to flow to the chair? that was my question 2012-02-12 14:31 well 2012-02-12 14:31 while you have some potential vs the floor... 2012-02-12 14:32 once approximating the chair, you are going to make all the negative charge of the floor towards the chair point you may touch 2012-02-12 14:32 'opposite charge' 2012-02-12 14:33 I'm also thinking of this 2012-02-12 14:34 for example, suppose there is a big negative charge on me; that is, on the tip of my finger too 2012-02-12 14:34 chair cannot have any potential inside it, as it's metal 2012-02-12 14:34 so its electrons would reposition themselves as to compensate the field of myself 2012-02-12 14:35 and near the tip of my finger a huge positive charge will accumulate 2012-02-12 14:35 it's not only metal - it can also accumulate a lot of opposite charge at any point 2012-02-12 14:36 oh, that too 2012-02-12 14:36 much more than an insulator 2012-02-12 14:36 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 14:37 * viric recommends a watch of BBC - Shock and awe - the story of electricity 2012-02-12 14:38 that's for broad tv audience... 2012-02-12 14:38 but I found it nice to watch 2012-02-12 14:39 hm I have two projects where I need a tokenizer of html printable text (thus, ignoring tags, scripts, css, ...) 2012-02-12 14:39 projects in C. 2012-02-12 14:39 if anyone knows what can I pick... 2012-02-12 14:39 I'd not start writing one. 2012-02-12 14:46 viric: nokogiri? 2012-02-12 14:46 err 2012-02-12 14:46 I mean libxml 2012-02-12 14:46 use SAX parser and write five lines to ignore all lines you don't want 2012-02-12 14:47 wouldn't that require a well formed html? 2012-02-12 14:47 nope 2012-02-12 14:47 the html comes from the wild 2012-02-12 14:47 libxml has a very good HTML parser 2012-02-12 14:47 ah 2012-02-12 14:47 it's really awesome at parsing crappy html 2012-02-12 14:47 good to know! :) 2012-02-12 14:48 I use it at all times (albeit from Ruby. that's why I said "nokogiri"; that's the name of a Ruby binding) 2012-02-12 14:48 libxml2, rigth? 2012-02-12 14:48 yes 2012-02-12 14:49 will it require anything extra at runtime? dtds, etc. 2012-02-12 14:50 nope 2012-02-12 14:50 dtd is for verifier 2012-02-12 14:50 not the parser 2012-02-12 14:50 ok 2012-02-12 14:52 I'll check it then 2012-02-12 15:08 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 15:11 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 15:21 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 15:22 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 15:34 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 15:56 zear has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 16:07 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 16:32 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 16:42 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 17:08 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 17:34 abushcrafterforg has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 17:59 What advantages does the milky mist have over an arduino + laptop 2012-02-12 18:00 arduino can't process video at all 2012-02-12 18:00 thats what the laptop is for 2012-02-12 18:00 you may need a very powerful laptop for some effects afaik 2012-02-12 18:00 sorry for DMX this is 2012-02-12 18:01 and that will introduce considerable latency 2012-02-12 18:01 so latency wtih the arduino + laptop setup 2012-02-12 18:02 afaik yes. but you'd better ask wpwrak or wolfsparul 2012-02-12 18:02 ok 2012-02-12 18:08 its only for a few DMX lights. currently just 1 may be more in the long long run. I also have some other lights that only have a rubbish sound to light which with time it would be nice to bypass/replace with something decent. 2012-02-12 18:08 wpwrak: see above 2012-02-12 18:09 wolfsparul: see above 2012-02-12 18:11 Artyom has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 18:13 oh and I decided its not worth getting a £50 Serial Camera Module to connect to the nano note when I can get for £60 2rd hand canon running the open source CHDK firmware. 2012-02-12 18:13 Which means higher res pics! 2012-02-12 18:13 and optical zoom. 2012-02-12 18:15 abushcrafterforg: well, it all depends on your objectives ... comparing milkymist with an arduino is a bit like comparing starship enterprise with a tricycle ... 2012-02-12 18:15 + laptop 2012-02-12 18:16 okay, starship enterprise vs. battlestar galactica. still rather different beasts :) 2012-02-12 18:17 wpwrak: I only seen BSG... :) 2012-02-12 18:17 what about lag 2012-02-12 18:17 if you need fast and complex peripherals, m1 runs circles around arduino+whatever 2012-02-12 18:18 you mean audio-to-video-change delay ? 2012-02-12 18:18 m1? 2012-02-12 18:18 there, m1 should be hard to beat 2012-02-12 18:18 Milkymist One 2012-02-12 18:18 oh 2012-02-12 18:19 "(18:01:03) whitequark: and that will introduce considerable latency" I don't have a clue. Great big newbie here 2012-02-12 18:19 dptech has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 18:20 it's hard to estimate lag. most effects are iterative, so they take some time to develop anyway 2012-02-12 18:21 ok 2012-02-12 18:21 so lag is but one parameter in obtaining a good audio-visual experience 2012-02-12 18:21 any recommenced reading? 2012-02-12 18:22 or keywords for searching 2012-02-12 18:22 on what exactly ? 2012-02-12 18:23 on dmx,sound to light, other parameters in obtaining a good audio-visual experience, etc 2012-02-12 18:25 i don't know. you probably want to look for some introductory texts for general visual and audiovisual design. that would be in the arts section of your bookstore. 2012-02-12 18:25 then you could translate some of the concepts into the world of milkymist 2012-02-12 18:27 a fairly specific keyword would be "milkdrop" 2012-02-12 18:28 on amazon, i find just one book on that: http://www.amazon.com/Dance-Animation-including-Fischinger-Hallock-greenewalt/dp/1244414867/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1329071201&sr=1-2 2012-02-12 18:28 and the description sounds a little suspicious. "To date, this content has been curated from Wikipedia articles [...]" 2012-02-12 18:29 anyway, that's the direction in which you want to explore 2012-02-12 18:29 ok thanks 2012-02-12 18:30 Any opinions on the state of gnu/linux sound to light dmx control software? 2012-02-12 18:30 in general, most material will probably of the "how to" type, explaining explicitly which buttons to press and there to click with this and that program. that won't help much. 2012-02-12 18:30 ok 2012-02-12 18:30 don't know. you'd have to ask the VJs that occasionally hang out on #milkymist 2012-02-12 18:32 yep 2012-02-12 18:34 abushcrafterforg: dunno if there is a free one 2012-02-12 18:35 I will do some more reading before I bother VJs 2012-02-12 18:35 well.. there is qlc, but it wasnt fit for what friends of mine wanted 2012-02-12 18:36 I am currently reading about that one 2012-02-12 18:36 i think they ended up using a commerical solution magicQ from chamsys.. it also runs on linux, but isnt free 2012-02-12 18:36 no thanks then 2012-02-12 18:37 got to have me freedoms 2012-02-12 18:37 krispaul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 18:38 Artyom: hi 2012-02-12 18:38 bbl 2012-02-12 18:42 abushcrafterforg: they needed multiple universes and proper support for devices which use multiple channelids etc. so i can understand their choice. if you got simpler requirements it may be you find qlc enough 2012-02-12 18:42 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 18:42 oh and by the way I think I will have the Nano Note as my every day pocket computer and a canon camera running CHDK and for my gov tracking device also know as a mobile phone I will use my old black and white screen one with the battery removed :-D 2012-02-12 18:43 I don't need that level. thanks for the info 2012-02-12 18:47 qlc seems nice from the docs 2012-02-12 18:51 krispaul: hello 2012-02-12 19:00 emeb has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-02-12 19:14 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 19:16 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 19:47 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 20:23 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 20:33 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 20:42 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 21:04 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 21:05 phew it took longer i tought.. 2012-02-12 21:38 dvdk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 21:46 hm 2012-02-12 21:46 I'm curious about the real meaning of word "hacker" in your countries/languages 2012-02-12 21:47 because in Russian, "hacker" (хакер) has exactly one meaning, which is "cracker" 2012-02-12 21:47 through while the real hackers are often called so, that isn't done consciously 2012-02-12 21:47 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 21:48 wolfspraul: I'm curious of your opinion, too: http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2012-02-12#1329083192-1329083248; 2012-02-12 21:49 whitequark: will look at but a little later... 2012-02-12 21:50 sure 2012-02-12 21:50 did you receive the m1 yet? 2012-02-12 21:50 nope, fedex does not deliver at weekends 2012-02-12 21:50 ew 2012-02-12 21:50 I just noticed 2012-02-12 21:50 I don't have a VGA monitor 2012-02-12 21:51 ... actually, I don't have any non-embedded display devices at all. 2012-02-12 21:52 is it a 'hard' requirement for working at m1? 2012-02-12 21:54 depends on what you want to do, but without visuals it's kinda dry 2012-02-12 21:55 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 21:57 wolfspraul: I heard there were some problems with USB 2012-02-12 21:57 can you elaborate& 2012-02-12 21:57 *& 2012-02-12 21:57 darn. *? 2012-02-12 21:57 interfacing an USB mouse shouldn't be a big pain 2012-02-12 21:58 sorry as I said I need to run but back in a few hours 2012-02-12 21:58 ok. I will still probably be here 2012-02-12 21:58 there are no unsolvable problems with USB :-) 2012-02-12 22:00 sounds good 2012-02-12 22:18 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 22:23 This is in my email sig: The word “hack, hacker, hacking, hacked, etc” is often misused. It does not mean nasty, evil stuff. Cracker is the word you want. See: 2012-02-12 22:23 http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#what_is 2012-02-12 22:23 http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Hacker 2012-02-12 22:23 (Great documentary to watch!) http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5621742/Hackers_Wanted%5BUnreleased_Director__s_Cut%5DDVDRip_H264-BeLLBoYhttp://torrentfreak.com/unreleased-hackers-wanted-movie-leaks-to-bittorrent-100520/ 2012-02-12 22:23 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/05/hackers-wante/ 2012-02-12 22:28 marcan has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 22:29 abushcrafterforg: _I_ know 2012-02-12 22:29 but in Russian, it never had its original value 2012-02-12 22:29 because it originated from media 2012-02-12 22:39 shame 2012-02-12 22:40 it just kinda happened this way 2012-02-12 22:42 take even me: when I pronounce "hacker" in Russian, I think of a criminal. when in English, I think of a computer specialist. 2012-02-12 22:42 the meaning embeds itself way down into unconsciousness 2012-02-12 22:43 these are different words for me 2012-02-12 22:43 even through they sound exactly the same 2012-02-12 22:48 interesting 2012-02-12 22:49 have you see the hackers wanted documentary? 2012-02-12 22:49 didn't even knew of it 2012-02-12 22:50 but I know how the word "hacker" originated, its meaning and implications 2012-02-12 22:55 it was leaked due to a argument with the producers. Its about: "Adrian Lamo, who pleaded guilty in 2004 to cracking the internal network of The New York Times." 2012-02-12 22:57 yes, I read the article 2012-02-12 23:00 I also has a fantastic peace of music 2012-02-12 23:00 but I can't get a flac copy of it :) 2012-02-12 23:00 t:( 2012-02-12 23:01 the "t" is a typo habit from playing Urban terror 2012-02-12 23:02 And the directors website is flash so I can't get his email. 2012-02-12 23:04 I believe the artist was a friend of his. 2012-02-12 23:05 sorry off topic 2012-02-12 23:05 dvdk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-12 23:47 whitequark: i had met people trying to avoid hacker by the word aficionated 2012-02-12 23:47 and yes in my country as well the words meas that crack* thing, as usual :) 2012-02-12 23:48 kristianpaul: what's your country? 2012-02-12 23:52 whitequark: i'm from colombia