2012-02-11 00:24 I was thinking over simple cuts. For say voice recs. 2012-02-11 00:24 over = or 2012-02-11 00:24 or = of 2012-02-11 00:29 abushcrafterforg has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 00:29 abushcrafterforg has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 00:31 Is there a nice little GUI for simple cuts? is that possible or is that too much:D? 2012-02-11 00:54 no gui afaik 2012-02-11 00:55 but i bet some command line tools could help you 2012-02-11 00:55 ok. sox i guess 2012-02-11 00:55 yup :) 2012-02-11 00:56 mhwaveedit is a small gtk audio editor. does it need to suport framebuffer or does GTK do that for it? 2012-02-11 00:57 hmm you got me on that 2012-02-11 00:57 but gtk uses framebuffer, yes 2012-02-11 00:57 dunno how this is "GTK do that for it" works for the nanonote 2012-02-11 00:59 sorry bad english 2012-02-11 00:59 he mee to ;) 2012-02-11 01:00 GTK handles the frame-buff side of things. So mhWaveEdit does not need to know about frame-buffer. 2012-02-11 01:00 oh, cool ! 2012-02-11 01:00 no I mean does it? 2012-02-11 01:00 dont know.. 2012-02-11 01:00 wait some minutes, i think xiangfu knows 2012-02-11 01:01 and English is my native lang... 2012-02-11 01:01 ok 2012-02-11 01:01 ergh, sorry i'm not native so i gues i misundertood you in the first place 2012-02-11 01:02 sorry to put you though the suffering. 2012-02-11 02:40 any replays I will see in the logs. 2012-02-11 03:16 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:27 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:29 rex_fernando has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:32 does anyone use the micro-sd wifi card mentioned in the wiki? 2012-02-11 06:32 I can't find it for sale anywhere; is it not offered anymore? 2012-02-11 06:35 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:42 DocScrutinizer: very interesting 2012-02-11 06:42 phenolphtaleine might work 2012-02-11 06:42 and I actually thought of kirlian effect in the past, but I was uncertain if it would really work 2012-02-11 06:42 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:44 (photos) if the chinese fab can only do photos, that's not worth 100USD 2012-02-11 06:44 but if they do actual tracing, then it indeed is 2012-02-11 06:45 DocScrutinizer: also, I think it is fairly easy to use matlab to do some image processing and vectorize the polygons from these photos 2012-02-11 06:45 I've seen a script like that on StackOverflow 2012-02-11 06:46 the vias are indeed the problem, but how chemical methods would help? 2012-02-11 06:46 I don't quite get it 2012-02-11 06:49 or do you mean ignoring the structure of inner layers and just tracing the connections between the actual pads? 2012-02-11 06:50 rex_fernando: as far as I know, there are 0 (zero) wifi sdio cards with good Linux support 2012-02-11 06:51 there's one or two for which you can find half-done drivers (I think eyefi kind of works), but these aren't good anyway 2012-02-11 06:53 ok, thanks 2012-02-11 06:54 they're also expensive 2012-02-11 06:54 i think the company that made one that's relatively popular on the ben stopped that product 2012-02-11 06:54 eyefi is $120-$150 2012-02-11 06:54 or maybe even went out of business completely 2012-02-11 06:54 there's no need in sdio wifi anymore 2012-02-11 06:55 even alarm clocks have integrated wifi 2012-02-11 06:55 yes, that's the problem. we're among the very few that don't have built-in wifi 2012-02-11 06:56 ... due to the fact that it is non-free, and not cost or other concerns 2012-02-11 06:56 hm 2012-02-11 06:56 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 06:57 wpwrak_: how wifi chipset differs from the cpu in terms of freeness? 2012-02-11 06:57 you don't have netlists for both 2012-02-11 06:57 and the standard is open, isn't it? 2012-02-11 06:59 openness is very bad for small devices. it seems that there are now reasonably open chips for laptop-sized devices. 2012-02-11 07:00 what's bad? firmwares? absence of specs? 2012-02-11 07:00 there's Atheros, isn't it? 2012-02-11 07:01 at least the earlier versions of the standard (.11b, .11g) are sufficiently open. they have been at least partially implemented with SDR. 2012-02-11 07:01 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 07:01 firmware, access to chips or modules, no specs 2012-02-11 07:02 yes, there's atheros ... 2012-02-11 07:02 ... that's where a lot of my bad experience comes from :) 2012-02-11 07:02 what's wrong with it? 2012-02-11 07:02 oh, binary-only firmware full of bugs that never gets fixed 2012-02-11 07:03 mhm 2012-02-11 07:03 then, you can't get chips, just modules. and these are also hard to find. 2012-02-11 07:03 they have open-sourced the fw for at least some chips 2012-02-11 07:03 (modules) oh yes, this is bad indeed 2012-02-11 07:03 which don't include the really small ones, e.g., the 6k series 2012-02-11 07:04 as things get bigger, laptop-sized, then you have better choices 2012-02-11 07:04 ok. I understand it now 2012-02-11 07:06 yay! my M1 has arrived to Moscow 2012-02-11 07:06 already passed customs 2012-02-11 07:07 which, according to the history, took 1 (one) minute 2012-02-11 07:08 wow 2012-02-11 07:27 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 07:45 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 07:58 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 08:29 rektide has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 08:32 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 08:39 zumbi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 08:40 wej_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 08:57 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:04 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:16 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:18 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:19 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:28 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:45 fossrox has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 09:48 losinggeneration has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:12 antoniodariush has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:26 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:43 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:45 antonio_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:49 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 10:58 whitequark: yes, I mean ignoring the structure of inner layers and just tracing the connections between the actual pads 2012-02-11 11:04 Ayla_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 11:12 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 11:12 kudkudyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 11:32 antoniodariush has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 12:08 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 13:04 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 14:18 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 14:45 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 15:07 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 15:11 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 15:29 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 15:57 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 16:07 ChanServ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 17:30 DocScrutinizer: ok, I was not able to find the board 2012-02-11 17:30 even for (reasonable) sum of money 2012-02-11 17:30 so, unfortunately that's out of question atm 2012-02-11 17:30 a pity 2012-02-11 17:31 repairmen say that the phone is quite popular, and as the most failing component is obviously screen, they just replace it 2012-02-11 17:31 there's nothing on ebay and I'm not spending $600 just to trace the board. 2012-02-11 17:31 that's why I say not disclosing schematics is an offense to your customers, *only* - no sane reationale 2012-02-11 17:31 I agree. 2012-02-11 17:32 well. there was a precedent before 2012-02-11 17:32 chinese copycat has no problems with missing schematics 2012-02-11 17:32 customer has 2012-02-11 17:39 * DocScrutinizer51 idly tries to pair his MX5500 cordless mouse via BT to N900 2012-02-11 17:42 whitequark: look, even at OM our NDA pope Tony was afraid to even publish schematics that had circuit details similar to those in the application notes of the chip manuf 2012-02-11 17:44 whitequark: you can see in OM GTA02 schematics that we asked uBlox for permission, and didn't dare to publish anything regarding calypso 2012-02-11 17:46 hm, yes, that's quite paranoid 2012-02-11 17:46 could he really get sued? 2012-02-11 17:47 he for sure not, his concern was about OM Inc 2012-02-11 17:47 and me ;-D 2012-02-11 17:47 as finally I took the responsibility 2012-02-11 17:48 at least my name is on first page 2012-02-11 17:48 that's pretty screwed up 2012-02-11 17:49 well, that's due diligence for you :) 2012-02-11 17:49 yeah, idustry wide 2012-02-11 17:50 of course, it's understandable. if something does happen, then the poor little guy who boldly waves the thing through will be in hot water. 2012-02-11 17:50 sure 2012-02-11 17:51 also a policy of openness doesn't really help. getting it authorized by someone higher up does, though. 2012-02-11 17:51 * DocScrutinizer51 repacks that silly ridiculously expensive mouse 2012-02-11 17:52 well, my auth been by wolfspraul 2012-02-11 17:52 and finally ny z 2012-02-11 17:52 by Sean 2012-02-11 17:53 ny z ? 2012-02-11 17:53 typo 2012-02-11 17:53 cold here 2012-02-11 17:53 ah :) 2012-02-11 17:53 a very pleasant 26 C here :) 2012-02-11 17:53 also my adrenaline - just had to call the paramedics for an old lady that stumbled and hurt her face 2012-02-11 17:54 so you've been a good citizen 2012-02-11 17:54 why are you trying to pair your mouse with N900 in a cold place outside? :) 2012-02-11 17:55 n900 is a *mobile* device 2012-02-11 17:55 so my situation is changing frequently 2012-02-11 17:57 actually when I tried to pair I was inside a cafe sipping some latte 2012-02-11 17:57 now I'm outside for a cig 2012-02-11 17:57 friggin smoker prohibition 2012-02-11 17:58 here in Russia we have some cafes when you're allowed to smoke. e.g. a dedicated floor 2012-02-11 17:58 quite convenient 2012-02-11 17:58 *where 2012-02-11 17:59 had to swap the mouse, as the one bought a week ago was broken 2012-02-11 17:59 whitequark: indeed 2012-02-11 18:00 MX5500 is Logitech 2012-02-11 18:00 I've been trying to make a Logitech mouse (albeit other one) nicely with bluez for a ~year 2012-02-11 18:01 then gave up and bought the cheapest Dell one I could find 2012-02-11 18:01 at my company, a whole building with 7 floors they urge employees to leave building and smoke at entrance in the icy cold 2012-02-11 18:01 I'm happy ever since 2012-02-11 18:01 DocScrutinizer: at least they don't make you go to russia for it ;-)) 2012-02-11 18:01 lol 2012-02-11 18:01 indeed 2012-02-11 18:01 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 18:01 do they understand you are likely to waste more time by doing so? 2012-02-11 18:03 (formally, in Russia smoking is also prohibited in e.g. my university. but you can estimate the actual force of this regulation by a simple example: right under the "no smoking" sign there's an ashtray) 2012-02-11 18:03 they don't care how long I work, as long as my reults are ok 2012-02-11 18:05 read: the more you smoke, the later the evenings :) 2012-02-11 18:05 and as an external consultant I am not allowed to cary any minute plus or minus of work time to next month, so the whole idea is moot 2012-02-11 18:06 wpwrak_: kinda 2012-02-11 18:06 * whitequark has bought a butane-powered soldering iron, Dremel Versatip 2012-02-11 18:07 I wonder how useful would it actually be 2012-02-11 18:07 meanhile my time accounting sheet looks rather uniform, 8:30-17;00 each day, in accordance with the 'boss' 2012-02-11 18:07 whitequark: dang, I *loved* that one 2012-02-11 18:08 used it for almost everything, everywhere 2012-02-11 18:08 it was one of the cheapest, and it was also Dremel, which I heard makes quite good tools 2012-02-11 18:08 lightweight and cordless is a huuuge convenience 2012-02-11 18:08 what has happened with yours? 2012-02-11 18:09 well, it vanished with all my other former life, as a indirect result of some fire in apartment 2012-02-11 18:10 now all tools I got are about like a set of torx, a 5EUR DMM and a weller soldering station 2012-02-11 18:11 stopped real hw work completely 2012-02-11 18:12 why? 2012-02-11 18:12 ATM I got enough of nice tools like LeCroy scopes and R&S CMU200 etc, at work 2012-02-11 18:13 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 18:13 whitequark: it's just too expensive to get a new completely equipped good lab at home, for... what? 2012-02-11 18:15 I'm recently not doing any HW development so getting tools for this was kinda nonsense 2012-02-11 18:15 and when I had the tools I wasn't doing too much at 'home' either 2012-02-11 18:15 in former times, when I was 'young', yeah 2012-02-11 18:16 been fun to mod high class casette recorders and whatnot else 2012-02-11 18:16 or build own little controllers etc 2012-02-11 18:16 we formed a hackerspace here so that we don't need to keep HW tools at home :) 2012-02-11 18:17 nowadays you buy that shit for 1.99 at china 2012-02-11 18:17 ... on a weekly basis 2012-02-11 18:18 I've bought some tools in China recently. tweezers are nice, I like them. kind of cheap too 2012-02-11 18:19 * DocScrutinizer51 walking ->home 2012-02-11 18:19 bbl 2012-02-11 18:21 lindi-: how long does it take for hackerspace members to get to it? 2012-02-11 18:21 on a workday evening for example 2012-02-11 18:21 whitequark: what do you mean how long? 2012-02-11 18:22 you're not living at the place, right? then you need to go to it from home/school/university 2012-02-11 18:22 whitequark: that of course depends on where they live but around 30 minutes by bus for me 2012-02-11 18:23 (bus takes 12 minutes but I'm including all the walking and waiting) 2012-02-11 18:23 a new bicycle route will make this easier this summer too :) 2012-02-11 18:25 whitequark: but yes, it'd of course be better to always have it closer :) 2012-02-11 18:25 it's just that we have one in Moscow, but it's quite far from my home, and I'm quite lazy 2012-02-11 18:25 which is an unfortunate combination 2012-02-11 18:26 also: -30 deg. C outside 2012-02-11 18:26 http://outside.hut.fi/ 2012-02-11 18:27 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 18:29 huh 2012-02-11 18:32 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 18:39 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 18:44 >>This service is permanently experimental & now twice as unreliable<< LOL 2012-02-11 18:47 DocScrutinizer: what's that about? 2012-02-11 18:52 also 2012-02-11 18:52 about the dremel 2012-02-11 18:53 you're so right! it's a great little gadget 2012-02-11 18:53 the nozzle for hot air on the soldering tip doubles as heatshrink, er, shrinker 2012-02-11 18:53 incredibly convenient 2012-02-11 18:54 whitequark: (what) quote from that website lindi posted 2012-02-11 18:57 (weller soldering station) actually ERSA 2012-02-11 18:58 Weller too expensive for the quality they offer 2012-02-11 19:09 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 19:11 RTC Milkymist: RT @qihardware: Qi Hardware working in Fiber: Crocheted LG Phone Case With Soure Code http://t.co/lOOTRXUM ( 168411625177616384@milkymistvj - 28s ago via HootSuite ) 2012-02-11 19:11 Pete Ippel ‽: RT @qihardware: Qi Hardware working in Fiber: Crocheted LG Phone Case With Soure Code http://t.co/hltWj4VK ( 168411631192248320@hypermodern - 27s ago via Ping.fm ) 2012-02-11 19:14 * whitequark has just converted his kitchen table to work table 2012-02-11 19:18 I still have to wait for Monday for M1 2012-02-11 19:18 and $RANDOM days to NN. tuxbrain doesn't seem very alive. 2012-02-11 19:19 *to be 2012-02-11 19:26 no offense, but this is exactly what is thought when ordering atben/atusb from him 2012-02-11 19:27 thinking about 10 bens/month he mentioned earlier is ML, makes me wonder... did he get a real job? :) 2012-02-11 19:36 yes 2012-02-11 19:37 whatever a 'real' job is 2012-02-11 19:37 qwebirc33072 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 19:38 something that is worth more than 80 bucks/months 2012-02-11 19:49 wolfgang recently mentioned in here that he has a new fulltime job and also a small child 2012-02-11 20:42 Ralph Dunmore: http://t.co/0Mcx9hnE @gaby1portilla @qihardware ( 168434581060583425@ralphep6 - 13s ago via web ) 2012-02-11 21:16 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:03 qwebirc56298 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:03 This is a rather cool project. Just sayin' http://www.maxjusticz.com/introducing-the-chomp/ 2012-02-11 22:09 dvdk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:10 hi dvdk 2012-02-11 22:11 hi ayla 2012-02-11 22:11 I heard you did an optimized build of mplayer 2012-02-11 22:11 it does use the IPU? or the MXU instruction set maybe? 2012-02-11 22:12 sort of. what are you looking for 2012-02-11 22:12 yes only the IPU 2012-02-11 22:12 for yuv->rgb conversion plus scaling. mxu instruction set, not not sof far. 2012-02-11 22:12 (not really neccessary to do more tuning for the small 320x240 display resolution) 2012-02-11 22:12 and the mxu stuff is ugly. no gnu as support etc. :/ 2012-02-11 22:13 well, it'd be a matter of adding the instruction set to buildroot 2012-02-11 22:13 anyway. If I'm right, your mplayer uses the IPU through /dev/mem, 2012-02-11 22:13 ayla: no, it's not supported by the binutls neither upstream nor downstream anywhere. there's only a awk script to patch assembler opcodes into hexcodes. 2012-02-11 22:13 yup. 2012-02-11 22:14 would you be ready to work on a kernel driver for it, that uses v4l2 for instance, or help me doing it? 2012-02-11 22:15 ayla: what's the need to put that into the kernel? Xorg drivers aren't (mostly) in the kernel, too. 2012-02-11 22:15 the driver is a library, look here: 2012-02-11 22:15 http://mplayer-jz47xx.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/mplayer-jz47xx/trunk/jz47xx_vid.c?revision=46&view=markup 2012-02-11 22:16 the JZ kernel has /dev/mem disabled 2012-02-11 22:16 ayla: if you want to patch the kernel, than enabling dev/mem is easier than making a new driver :) 2012-02-11 22:16 I don't want to enable /dev/mem 2012-02-11 22:16 but you should :) 2012-02-11 22:16 we did disable it on purpose, we won't re-enable it again 2012-02-11 22:17 uh 2012-02-11 22:17 (to set the context, I do work with mth on OpenDingux, a linux distribution for the Dingoo A320 which uses the jz47xx kernel) 2012-02-11 22:17 figured that. 2012-02-11 22:18 well, then as a compromise, use Linux' user-space driver API and export memory access to the IPU regs only, plus a buffer via a device file. 2012-02-11 22:18 adapting the driver above would be trivial then. 2012-02-11 22:19 that's a possibility, yes 2012-02-11 22:19 dvdk: that driver still crashes quite a lot here 2012-02-11 22:19 well 2012-02-11 22:19 maybe not a lot 2012-02-11 22:19 I don't now if it's a deal with /dev/mem and in kernel it would work 2012-02-11 22:19 i think there's an example somewhere in the mplayer sources. for a minimalistic driver using linux kernel support. 'sh_veu_vid.c'. my driver is based on that. 2012-02-11 22:20 viric: try to upgrade to latest jz47xx version. i had some bugs. 2012-02-11 22:20 the other interest is that if we use a v4l2 driver, mplayer would just work without any change 2012-02-11 22:20 ayla: isn't v4l2 about input, not output? 2012-02-11 22:21 it's both 2012-02-11 22:21 hmm. 2012-02-11 22:21 ah both? 2012-02-11 22:21 I was about to say the same about input 2012-02-11 22:22 what example is there of v4l2 as output? 2012-02-11 22:22 I believe it's not really used a lot 2012-02-11 22:22 well, feel free to rip out any code from my sources you need. but as it works for NN i'm not currently motivated to rewrite anything. no time currently for such "non-productive" cosmetic work. 2012-02-11 22:22 dvdk: I was usin the latest tarball, some weeks ago 2012-02-11 22:22 also i hate in-kernel drivers. kernel is a moving target, not (internal) hard APIs. that's bad. 2012-02-11 22:23 that's fine, I was asking you just in case you were super-motivated to work on it 2012-02-11 22:23 dvdk: latest tarball on new year. 2012-02-11 22:23 viric: mayb mplayer crashes on you, not the driver? 2012-02-11 22:23 but I can do it, no problem 2012-02-11 22:23 dvdk: I don't know. I can't recover that fb on crash 2012-02-11 22:23 ayla: :) 2012-02-11 22:23 viric: launch mplayer from a remote ssh. 2012-02-11 22:23 I can do it => I can *try* :) 2012-02-11 22:23 dvdk: that does not fix anything 2012-02-11 22:24 viric: but you can see log output even if fb doesn't recover. 2012-02-11 22:24 dvdk: I mean, it shows on screen the video, but I can't recover the fb for text 2012-02-11 22:24 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:24 ah yes 2012-02-11 22:24 viric, gmenu2x has some code to unlock that situation 2012-02-11 22:24 ah 2012-02-11 22:24 virc: also 'strace' may help to locate the problem. 2012-02-11 22:24 I never run gmenu2x 2012-02-11 22:24 maybe some mmap() crashes etc. 2012-02-11 22:25 it works for around 5 seconds 2012-02-11 22:25 then, crash 2012-02-11 22:25 but well, I agree I should write a better report thant hat ;) 2012-02-11 22:25 that 2012-02-11 22:25 ayla: ah, the correct term about coding in-kernel drivers is "technological debt". since you'll have to adapt to kernel changes for all the time in the future. think like "interest rate". i hate debts :) 2012-02-11 22:26 hehe 2012-02-11 22:26 dvdk: and if you don't do tat? 2012-02-11 22:26 that. 2012-02-11 22:26 so that's why i love user-space driver. 2012-02-11 22:26 with dev/mem 2012-02-11 22:26 Ayla: why you disabled /dev/mem? 2012-02-11 22:28 viric: because the old dingux programs were doing nasty things 2012-02-11 22:28 like messing with the clocks directly 2012-02-11 22:29 and the user space should not mess with the kernel space anyway 2012-02-11 22:29 ah, for a videogame device, I think all should be allowed :) 2012-02-11 22:30 it's not a multiuser mainframe :) 2012-02-11 22:30 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:33 I met Hans de Goede at T-DOSE and explained the IPU and he said it would fit into v4l2 2012-02-11 22:33 I don't remember exactly though how it would fit in 2012-02-11 22:34 mstevens has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-11 22:34 there is some kind of API where you can pass buffers to be either converted to displayed 2012-02-11 22:34 from userspace to kernel and back 2012-02-11 22:35 worst abuse of /dev/mem we encountered was a program ported from GP2X that would access the GP2X hardware via /dev/mem 2012-02-11 22:35 note that GP2X has an ARM SoC 2012-02-11 22:36 and the port still had that code active 2012-02-11 22:36 but mostly the problem is user space code accessing the hardware directly while that same hardware is handled by kernel drivers as well 2012-02-11 22:36 if that happens, there is no way to debug it 2012-02-11 22:38 sure 2012-02-11 22:38 another issue with user space drivers is that they don't react properly to systemwide events like suspend 2012-02-11 22:39 there could be /dev/mem in the kernel, and lack the device file 2012-02-11 22:39 just as a 'warning' 2012-02-11 22:39 or maybe it can be set as a module 2012-02-11 22:39 ah yes, the suspend thing... 2012-02-11 22:39 the device files are auto-created in a ramdisk, but probably it can be configured to not create them 2012-02-11 22:40 still, if someone has a genuine need to use /dev/mem, it's not that hard to build a kernel that has it 2012-02-11 22:40 but still, it's the situation of "a quickly written driver" vs "a well maintained driver", regardless of user or kernel mode 2012-02-11 22:40 I made it an option; all the code is still there, it's just disabled in our config 2012-02-11 22:41 I think that there should be a place for "quickly written driver" 2012-02-11 22:41 but users should know what they run, yes. 2012-02-11 22:43 then there are the people like dvdk, that make a driver of value using /dev/mem, and then the NN people get forced to provide it ;) 2012-02-11 22:43 that's why we're looking to move his driver into the kernel, or at least away from /dev/mem 2012-02-11 22:44 clear 2012-02-11 22:44 I understand. 2012-02-11 22:44 move from "quickly written driver" to "well maintained driver" 2012-02-11 22:44 yes 2012-02-11 22:45 as for me, I lack the skills to do that with short dedication 2012-02-11 22:45 we have our share of hacky in-kernel drivers too though, we're still several steps away from a clean solution 2012-02-11 22:45 aha 2012-02-11 22:45 mth: otherwise all would be at linus' linux 2012-02-11 22:45 skills can be developed; I did very little kernel programming before this and I still have a lot to learn 2012-02-11 22:46 indeed 2012-02-11 22:46 yes, me too... 2012-02-11 22:46 I recently did some hacks on the fuloong to fix its boot 2012-02-11 22:46 but nothing beyond that 2012-02-11 22:47 (something in the NN too) 2012-02-11 22:47 and I read carefully the driver from dvdk :) 2012-02-11 22:47 but I'm busy with other things right now 2012-02-11 22:51 abushcrafterforg has joined #qi-hardware