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so we can play some games or use some monitor with nn. Of course. THere is the werner vga output, but maybe it could be more generic 2012-02-08 02:33 rejon [rejon!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 02:40 zrafa_: yes werner's software defined vga still have some potencial tought 2012-02-08 02:40 and even the ubb port it self, i still want to have time to see what sdr related tasks can it do 2012-02-08 02:41 hmm, low frequency tasks. maybe you can make an AM radio transmitter ;-) 2012-02-08 02:43 yes i was thiking something like that ! 2012-02-08 02:43 why not? :) 2012-02-08 03:10 rejon_ [rejon_!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 03:24 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.39] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 03:31 can we open orcad files with linux? 2012-02-08 03:36 sounds unlikely at least it have a floss replacement 2012-02-08 03:36 or a orcad binary that just run on Linux ;) 2012-02-08 03:46 open .. sure :) 2012-02-08 04:48 lindi- [lindi-!~quassel@tachyon.hut.fi] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 04:59 EOF-sensei [EOF-sensei!~temp@dsl-173-206-246-10.tor.primus.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:06 paroneayea [paroneayea!~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:18 lindi- [lindi-!~quassel@tachyon.hut.fi] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:35 zear_ [zear_!~zear@h196n1-g-kt-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:37 uwe__ [uwe__!~uwe_@dslb-088-066-186-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:39 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:43 zedstar_ [zedstar_!~john@zedstar.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 05:43 cladamwa [cladamwa!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 06:01 paroneayea [paroneayea!~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 06:15 EwanMabYwen [EwanMabYwen!~ewan@dslb-178-007-021-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 06:27 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-5.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 06:55 ooh, dental floss 2012-02-08 07:48 rejon [rejon!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 08:06 rejon [rejon!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 08:17 uwe_mobile [uwe_mobile!~uwe@static.88-198-8-117.clients.your-server.de] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 08:25 cladamwa [cladamwa!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 08:46 fossrox [fossrox!~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 09:00 DocScrutinizer, hi thanks a lot for your great check and idea on else. ;-) 2012-02-08 09:09 DocScrutinizer, wpwrak have really given much thought to the matter (J23 to add AUDIO_AGND), thanks ! 2012-02-08 09:10 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 09:11 yeah, it sounds like a good change to me 2012-02-08 09:11 wpwrak, okay. 2012-02-08 09:25 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@178.121.32.235] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 09:30 YW, glad to help :-D 2012-02-08 09:30 EOF-sensei [EOF-sensei!~temp@dsl-173-206-246-95.tor.primus.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 09:32 cladamwa: you might want to add some of your nice varistors to line-out jack as well 2012-02-08 09:33 DocScrutinizer, yeah... i forgot to mention this too. thanks for this reminds. ;-) 2012-02-08 09:37 DocScrutinizer, one topic for us now will be: we're also planning to take consideration about adding insert/detection idea in LINE-IN/LINE-OUT connector. (i.e. trying to let s/w can have reaction on insert/plug-out), so maybe in the end we'll have changes on both later. Any idea from you? ;-) 2012-02-08 09:40 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 09:45 DocScrutinizer51 we'll consider if add that feature soon. i may ask for your help again. ;-D 2012-02-08 09:58 rejon [rejon!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 10:11 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 10:24 wow there are so many things in motion now 2012-02-08 10:24 I acquired the entire remaining stock of atben and atusb from tuxbrain! 2012-02-08 10:24 45 atben, 33 atusb 2012-02-08 10:24 have to get some fire under this :-) 2012-02-08 10:33 interesting - does it mean a higher demand for atusb than for atben? 2012-02-08 10:33 doesn't make sense :) 2012-02-08 10:33 wolfspraul: what happpened? did tuxbrain give up on the project? 2012-02-08 10:34 it;s a pity that the lot wasn't sold anyway -\ 2012-02-08 10:34 not sure, I have a hard time reaching tuxbrain, I think the shop became a part-time project 2012-02-08 10:34 so he is focusing on the Ben NanoNote 2012-02-08 10:34 I gladly buy those units because I was unsuccessful in buying some recently ;-) 2012-02-08 10:34 and I pay him in NanoNotes 2012-02-08 10:34 wolfspraul: why buy them, when you can just produce them? :) 2012-02-08 10:34 kyak: not sold yet 2012-02-08 10:35 that's a run with another whole bunch of overhead 2012-02-08 10:35 but i am working really 100% on and over capacity everywhere 2012-02-08 10:35 true.. 2012-02-08 10:35 wolfspraul: many things in motion, sounds like someone should write an article about Qi happenings for LWN? 2012-02-08 10:35 I gladly gladly take those boards 2012-02-08 10:35 pabs3: has lwn ever reported about Milkymist? 2012-02-08 10:35 they should 2012-02-08 10:36 it's a bona fide attempt to create a true collaborative effort below the Linux kernel, in IC design 2012-02-08 10:36 wolfspraul: yeah: https://lwn.net/Articles/443415/ 2012-02-08 10:36 no articles though 2012-02-08 10:36 * pabs3 bbl 2012-02-08 10:37 are you an editor/reporter at lwn? or you know one? 2012-02-08 10:37 I think we need a quality story, and an editor there needs to be seriously interested 2012-02-08 10:37 it's not a hush-hush marketing thing, where we have to sell some new thingie before everybody realizes the hype is over 2012-02-08 10:38 if an editor at lwn would be interested, I would be more than happy to provide him or her with a review unit, and unlimited time to answer questions :-) 2012-02-08 10:38 mhm 2012-02-08 10:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMOS 2012-02-08 10:38 does anyone understand how this actually works? not much info is available 2012-02-08 10:43 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 10:59 zedstar [zedstar!~john@fsf/member/zedstar] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 11:10 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 11:33 wolfspraul: neither 2012-02-08 11:33 wolfspraul: I've suggested an interview to them before, hopefully they think about it 2012-02-08 11:38 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 11:42 Artyom [Artyom!~chatzilla@195.19.58.6] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 11:57 GNUtoo [GNUtoo!~GNUtoo@host29-81-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 12:09 wpwrak: open: we can use "cat file.orcad" :) 2012-02-08 12:13 if its's text. else, hexdump -C :) 2012-02-08 12:15 isn't orcad a program for blind people? 2012-02-08 12:15 ah maybe it's orca 2012-02-08 12:16 sorry 2012-02-08 12:16 wolfspraul: they do accept guest writers too: https://lwn.net/op/AuthorGuide.lwn 2012-02-08 13:05 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 13:26 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@11.241.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 13:34 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 13:40 rejon [rejon!~rejon@jp.fabricatorz.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 13:57 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@9.95.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 14:22 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 14:45 wolfspraul, atusb/ben !! 2012-02-08 14:45 great 2012-02-08 14:45 I can buy a combo and send it by cheap postal mail :) 2012-02-08 14:58 antgreen [antgreen!~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890295.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 14:58 (atusb/atben) great indeed ! 2012-02-08 15:00 kyak: there were fewer atusb than atben to start with. about 20 fewer units produced (due to different pcb panelization) and he had three atusb rejects while all atben tested okay 2012-02-08 15:01 kyak: so they sold roughly at the same pace, though not everyone bought them in an 1:1 ratio 2012-02-08 15:05 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 15:15 wolfspraul: can i buy atusb&atben with bicoin? how much it will? :) 2012-02-08 15:16 * kristianpaul have some bitcoins saved 2012-02-08 15:16 sure you can, but I don't have them yet, so please give it some time 2012-02-08 15:17 ah, sure np 2012-02-08 15:25 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@210.133.123.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 15:39 hm 2012-02-08 15:40 believe it or not, when i plug in the jtag cable which came with m1 into my laptop, it powers off momentarily; i have to remove the battery to be able to turn it on again 2012-02-08 15:40 wolfspraul: any idea? :) 2012-02-08 15:40 i assume that the cable is shortcut and it triggers some protection on laptop side 2012-02-08 15:41 can i use just any mini USB cable with m1 jtag port? 2012-02-08 15:43 basically yes 2012-02-08 15:43 now, when linux starts to swap and i can't do much, i will just insert this cable instead of holding the poweroff button for some seconds :) 2012-02-08 15:44 ;-)) 2012-02-08 15:44 this cable can also be used a DoS exploit 2012-02-08 15:45 i will just give it to some manager at work 2012-02-08 15:46 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 15:47 kyak: not all notebooks will detect that gracefully 2012-02-08 15:48 yeah, i hope so! 2012-02-08 15:48 burn, burn!! 2012-02-08 15:48 just stay out of the blast radius :) 2012-02-08 15:48 i think i will get an extension cable :) 2012-02-08 15:49 ok, i know. i will lable it as "cable of death" and leave in the eyesight. And observe! 2012-02-08 15:50 label even 2012-02-08 15:50 GNUtoo [GNUtoo!~gnutoo@host29-81-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 15:52 Bus 001 Device 004: ID 20b7:0713 Qi Hardware Milkymist JTAG/serial 2012-02-08 15:52 hm, this is neat.. 2012-02-08 15:53 again, rolling releases win (usb database up to date) 2012-02-08 15:54 i just wish the database was updated more frequently 2012-02-08 15:54 (at the source) 2012-02-08 15:55 wpwrak: where i can look for jtag commands? 2012-02-08 15:57 you mean jtag help ? 2012-02-08 16:00 he :) no, i mean, what commands i can issue to the board? like, find the revision etc? 2012-02-08 16:02 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:02 mmh. dunno about revision. should be possible if you do a boundary scan. should be interesting to figure out how to do that :) 2012-02-08 16:05 ok, i might not understand completely how jtag can be used for m1. 2012-02-08 16:07 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:07 we use it mainly for flashing 2012-02-08 16:08 occasionally for booting 2012-02-08 16:08 debugging and such go through other channels 2012-02-08 16:08 and we don't do boundary scans as part of production testing (yet ?) 2012-02-08 16:12 wolfspra1l [wolfspra1l!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:19 kyak: a lot of them will just turn off 2012-02-08 16:19 and will still work even without re-inserting the battery 2012-02-08 16:19 you have some chances of frying USB ports, through 2012-02-08 16:20 I wonder if there are any notebooks crappy enough to make battery explode in such a condition 2012-02-08 16:20 I think no, but you can never know for sure.. 2012-02-08 16:20 try tablets. that's where the race to the bottom is at these days 2012-02-08 16:20 nah 2012-02-08 16:20 tablets are useless 2012-02-08 16:21 ... by the way. latest news from russian sonar company. 2012-02-08 16:21 my friend has agreed to write a firmware for them 2012-02-08 16:21 so they assembled a prototype and delivered it to him 2012-02-08 16:22 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:22 he turned it on and it did not work, because the main LDO was not present, because they accidentally placed the LDO and its tantalum cap on the same place on board 2012-02-08 16:22 ok, he returned it and they wire-wrapped the LDO and the cap 2012-02-08 16:22 he turned it on and the cap has exploded, because it was reversed 2012-02-08 16:23 but it was cheap ! ;-) 2012-02-08 16:23 he returned it and they soldered it the right way 2012-02-08 16:23 ok 2012-02-08 16:23 the CPU had none of its bypass caps soldered 2012-02-08 16:23 so it was pretty unstable 2012-02-08 16:23 the quartz has not had any load caps, too 2012-02-08 16:24 ok, he wire-wrapped some all over the board 2012-02-08 16:24 the LCD did not work afterwards 2012-02-08 16:24 because: 2012-02-08 16:24 the CPU has 4 VDD pins 2012-02-08 16:24 the board author has connected one to the power source 2012-02-08 16:24 and other to the power pin of LCD 2012-02-08 16:25 others were left floating 2012-02-08 16:25 ok, he wire-wrapped some more wires 2012-02-08 16:25 ... the tantalum cap near the lcd has exploded. 2012-02-08 16:25 guess why. 2012-02-08 16:25 i hope they paid him through all this 2012-02-08 16:25 he soldered another one correctly 2012-02-08 16:25 because it's pretty clear that this contraption will never actually run 2012-02-08 16:26 and the switching supply has begun to heat. instead of projected ~250mA it could only deliver 25mA or such 2012-02-08 16:26 because the author did not bother to look the correct value for inductor 2012-02-08 16:26 ... ok, I think he wire-wrapped more stuff 2012-02-08 16:26 the LCD still did not work 2012-02-08 16:27 it had 5 passive components in a row which should have been mounted near it 2012-02-08 16:27 that;s what you get when you outsource your engineering to the last tribe of homo habilis 2012-02-08 16:27 there were only three 2012-02-08 16:27 and, er 2012-02-08 16:27 I do not know what was on his mind 2012-02-08 16:27 nothing ? :) 2012-02-08 16:27 but it has been looking like he just threw them on the pcb and poured some solder from the top 2012-02-08 16:28 they weren't even connected to the corresponding pads 2012-02-08 16:28 that is 2012-02-08 16:28 a cap C1 was connected between a R1 and R2 pad 2012-02-08 16:28 *pads 2012-02-08 16:28 cargo cult engineering at its best 2012-02-08 16:28 I think there were some more exploding tantalum caps 2012-02-08 16:29 can he ever mount them correctly at all?! 2012-02-08 16:29 i suoopse he did all the research for sport. because it's already obvious after the first 2-3 errors that this can't work. 2012-02-08 16:29 or maybe test the fucking board. just for lulz, you know 2012-02-08 16:29 why test it if you know it doesn't work ? 2012-02-08 16:29 well. they somehow are able to deliver working product with their way 2012-02-08 16:29 I dunno how 2012-02-08 16:29 i doubt they do :) 2012-02-08 16:30 atmegas can actually withstand the VDD rape 2012-02-08 16:30 he did it for last like 5 years for so and "it worked" (quote) 2012-02-08 16:30 they really do. I've seen that myself 2012-02-08 16:30 they sell it 2012-02-08 16:30 it fails 2012-02-08 16:30 they sell some more of "it" 2012-02-08 16:31 it sometimes works. 2012-02-08 16:31 accidentally, I presume 2012-02-08 16:31 and they pay him, ahem 2012-02-08 16:31 yeah, one million monkeys ... 2012-02-08 16:31 $300 a month 2012-02-08 16:31 that's low even for Russia 2012-02-08 16:31 he must be desperate :) 2012-02-08 16:31 nope 2012-02-08 16:31 or he likes slumming 2012-02-08 16:32 he has his own sofrware business 2012-02-08 16:32 which is quite profitable (I know as I made half of its infrastructure) 2012-02-08 16:32 so he doesn't care. fine. 2012-02-08 16:33 it's just fun to watch 2012-02-08 16:33 like Dilbert in real life 2012-02-08 16:33 anyway, i was talking about tablets that actually work at a basic level. yet may still harbour surprises. 2012-02-08 16:33 but a little bit more stupid 2012-02-08 16:33 (tablets) yeah, I know how they're done 2012-02-08 16:37 (homo habilis) roflmao, yes. /me has added that to a list of his quotes 2012-02-08 16:39 EOF-sensei1 [EOF-sensei1!~temp@dsl-173-206-247-50.tor.primus.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:41 have I mentioned he considers 1206 components "quite small" ? 2012-02-08 16:42 80% of their "production" device just does not work from the very beginning 2012-02-08 16:42 which is expected at least 2012-02-08 16:43 *devices 2012-02-08 16:43 so they throw it out 2012-02-08 16:43 *them 2012-02-08 16:44 they only use commercial atmegas. for the device which very purpose is working on below zero temperatures 2012-02-08 16:44 they just check if they work in a reactor with controllerd temp 2012-02-08 16:45 *controlled. sigh. this stuff has quite a negative impact on my English skills. 2012-02-08 16:46 I just can't type correctly while laughing out loug. 2012-02-08 16:51 ... oh crap. I'm sure you will appreciate the following engineering solution 2012-02-08 16:51 he neeeded to make a peak detector 2012-02-08 16:51 so he took an amp (not an op-amp, but an old Soviet plain fixed-coefficient amp) 2012-02-08 16:52 then he adjusted the amplification so it would saturate at any signal > 0 (the ultrasound sensor sends voltage spikes in range of mVs) 2012-02-08 16:52 and that kind of works as a detection 2012-02-08 16:53 now, try to guess how he wants to compute the amplitude of the input signal 2012-02-08 16:53 as a quiz. 2012-02-08 16:53 *measure, not compute 2012-02-08 16:55 why measure ? put something. resistor, inductor, chewing gum, whatever. if it works, great. if it fails, throw it away and try again. 2012-02-08 16:55 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@178.121.32.235] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 16:55 well 2012-02-08 16:56 the amp is connected to the power rail via a resistor 2012-02-08 16:56 let me guess - that's a government-funded company with an inexhaustible money supply ? 2012-02-08 16:56 and he suggests to use ADC in uC to measure the voltage drop, as the current is somewhat proportional to the height of the spike 2012-02-08 16:57 nope. that's a private-owned company 2012-02-08 16:58 whitequark: what is the name of this company? :) 2012-02-08 16:59 http://rusonar.ru/ 2012-02-08 17:01 kuribas` [kuribas`!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:01 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:01 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rusonar.ru%2Fabout 2012-02-08 17:02 just read it 2012-02-08 17:02 zedstar: w00t! many hours hackage and finally good to see guile2 running on uclibc+openwrt @jnbagale @antoniodariush @qihardware #nanonote ( 167292048486051840@jptmoore - 14s ago via web ) 2012-02-08 17:02 FrankBlues [FrankBlues!~alex@c-67-182-230-190.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:05 whitequark: well, at least your friend is lucky enough to get the "hardware" before he started working on firmware 2012-02-08 17:07 kyak: I'd suggest the name "failware" 2012-02-08 17:07 ha! :) 2012-02-08 17:07 Guest6697 [Guest6697!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:19 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@178.121.32.235] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:27 woakas [woakas!~woakas@186.28.116.249] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:28 EOF-sensei [EOF-sensei!~temp@dsl-173-206-246-97.tor.primus.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:31 FrankBlues [FrankBlues!~alex@c-67-182-230-190.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:33 Artyom [Artyom!~chatzilla@84.23.62.191] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:35 kristianpaul: hi 2012-02-08 17:35 wolfspra1l [wolfspra1l!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 17:39 Artyom: hey 2012-02-08 17:39 I've noticed that you were looking for me ;) 2012-02-08 17:39 yup time ago.. 2012-02-08 17:40 i cant make namuru core run on my soc, since i changed to bram like design.. 2012-02-08 17:40 wpwrak: wanna look at their flagship product which allows them to stay alive? it's a $35k water something analyzer, which they make and sell a few ones a year 2012-02-08 17:40 http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/310438_116541978456335_100003015997422_102354_130170885_n.jpg 2012-02-08 17:40 http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383425_116541798456353_100003015997422_102352_701121176_n.jpg 2012-02-08 17:41 http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390692_152002834910249_100003015997422_200150_899064844_n.jpg 2012-02-08 17:41 what does it mean bram-like design? 2012-02-08 17:41 http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/396472_152002508243615_100003015997422_200149_1345406751_n.jpg 2012-02-08 17:41 Artyom: did you never ran m1 bios in your board? 2012-02-08 17:41 Artyom: your simplified version of the baseband 2012-02-08 17:41 I ran bios... 2012-02-08 17:41 and that's a "production" variant 2012-02-08 17:41 hmm 2012-02-08 17:42 i dont know what broke, system got hang.. 2012-02-08 17:42 you want to put bios + my_code to bram? Not in DRAM? 2012-02-08 17:42 no no 2012-02-08 17:42 i was sjut migrating hdl part 2012-02-08 17:43 with a minor modification i added this wire assign ram_we = wb_cyc_i & wb_stb_i & wb_we_i; 2012-02-08 17:43 so i can write 8'hF1: if (ram_we) instead of 8'hF1: if (ram_we = wb_cyc_i & wb_stb_i & wb_we_i) 2012-02-08 17:44 Artyom: i still had not looked at debug code, already made the menus still not tested the algoryth for fiding correlation peak 2012-02-08 17:44 .. 2012-02-08 17:44 when i mean bram i meant for the namuru core 2012-02-08 17:45 for accessing the reigisters and writing to it too 2012-02-08 17:46 this is the code http://pastebin.com/AQ2FaED3 2012-02-08 17:50 I'm studing your code... 2012-02-08 17:50 And you have problems with it now? 2012-02-08 17:50 yes 2012-02-08 17:50 my soc hang and bios trought garbage.. 2012-02-08 17:52 this was working https://github.com/kristianpaul/milkymist/blob/gps-sdr-testing/cores/namuru/rtl/namuru_baseband.v 2012-02-08 17:55 i'll sinthesize old version again and see 2012-02-08 17:55 When I started to play with MM SoC + my_cores I faced similar problems. So at first I added simple bram core - in order to test BIOS writing/reading commands on the correlator-address... When I fixed all bugs - I started to experiment with 2012-02-08 17:55 correlator core 2012-02-08 17:56 yeah i wanted to skip that part :) 2012-02-08 17:56 but i also created a very simple core derivated from csrbrg when i started that one.. 2012-02-08 17:56 anyway 2012-02-08 17:56 Artyom: had you able to write to the wiki of qi-hardware? 2012-02-08 17:57 I was thinking in a roadmap with tasks and etc.. 2012-02-08 17:57 I haven't tried it yet... I will experiment this week with it... 2012-02-08 17:59 Bte had you tried all PRN codes from namuru datasheet work? 2012-02-08 17:59 considering u have a gps simulator :D 2012-02-08 18:00 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-117471.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 18:01 no... I think it's easier to do with verilog-simulator ;) 2012-02-08 18:01 hehe 2012-02-08 18:07 If you would ask this question half a year ago - I would agree to test with simulator. But now I think that if hdl-simulator can be used then it must be used... 2012-02-08 18:08 Artyom: what about a nother namuru +milkymist combo + dac that generatate the simulated gpa signal? 2012-02-08 18:08 what you think about it* 2012-02-08 18:10 too elaborate ? 2012-02-08 18:12 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@166.95.13.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 18:16 Do you think to make something like GPS-simulator? 2012-02-08 18:17 just intelually curios for now yes 2012-02-08 18:17 curious* 2012-02-08 18:17 intelectually* 2012-02-08 18:17 Guest68282 [Guest68282!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 18:18 Something simple? Like generating only one or two satellites signals? 2012-02-08 18:18 yes 2012-02-08 18:20 Or more intellectual? To generate signal that can be used to calculate position 2012-02-08 18:22 exactly 2012-02-08 18:23 What is the aim of such a project? To test gps equipment? Or some other reasons? 2012-02-08 18:25 basically test equipment 2012-02-08 18:25 gps simulators are prety expesinve 2012-02-08 18:25 buy anyway just curious 2012-02-08 18:25 If you keep in mind testing of GPS equipment then it's easier to make device that can record and play back GPS signal 2012-02-08 18:25 had you seens something un-unual in the pastebin? 2012-02-08 18:26 Such a toys also exist and cost much cheaper then simulators 2012-02-08 18:26 record and playbak sounds good to 2012-02-08 18:26 how are they called? 2012-02-08 18:26 the toys yop said 2012-02-08 18:32 btw do you plan add glonass support to osgps? 2012-02-08 18:32 Good evening everyone! 2012-02-08 18:32 is okay fot you work with scilab for now? 2012-02-08 18:32 evening LunaVorax 2012-02-08 18:33 :) 2012-02-08 18:33 My girlfriend got her kryoflux a few days ago, she loves it already! 2012-02-08 18:38 gotta go, greak is off back to work.. 2012-02-08 18:39 wolfspra1l [wolfspra1l!~wolfsprau@222.130.118.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 18:42 I didn't find errors in your code... 2012-02-08 18:54 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@178.121.32.235] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 19:10 Here are some links about GPS record-play_back systems: extremly expensive: http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/206806 ; cheaper alternatives: http://www.spirent.com/Solutions-Directory/GSS6400.aspx and this one: http://www.labsat.co.uk/ 2012-02-08 19:10 EOF-sensei1 [EOF-sensei1!~temp@dsl-173-206-246-204.tor.primus.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 19:10 yes, I definitly want to add GLONASS support to osgps... 2012-02-08 19:11 sorry, what did you mean about scilab? 2012-02-08 19:14 qwebirc61666 [qwebirc61666!55d375d7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.211.117.215] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 19:14 Is It Possible To Connect A Camera To The Nano Note? 2012-02-08 19:14 E.G a webcam, a stand alone camera (DSLR, Compact, etc) (If not a USB one what about the very old ones that do not use USB?), or some other sort of camera? If so could it do video as well as stills? Thanks 2012-02-08 19:16 kristianpaul: may you could test my core in your design... 2012-02-08 19:17 Artyom: yes i could 2012-02-08 19:19 qwebirc61666: it should be a SDIO camera 2012-02-08 19:28 kristianpaul: Honestly speaking I think from time to time about possibility to develop gnss-simulator. But the task seems rather difficult. There is number mater's thesis available in internet that can be a good starting point. 2012-02-08 19:35 the record and playback looks usefull 2012-02-08 19:37 So how could one connect a SDIO camera? 2012-02-08 19:37 viric: look up 2012-02-08 19:38 there is a microsd port. 2012-02-08 19:38 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 19:40 viric: so you connect the camera to the nanonote by the cameras sd card port and the nano notes sd card port? I am a neewbie btw. 2012-02-08 19:41 mh 2012-02-08 19:41 find a camera that can be connected to a sd card port. 2012-02-08 19:41 I don't know if they exist. 2012-02-08 19:43 dad has a old cam that does not use usb it works by a sireal with so many pins i forget 2012-02-08 19:44 viric: 2012-02-08 19:44 a serial line camera 2012-02-08 19:44 brave 2012-02-08 19:44 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::abf] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-02-08 19:44 brave? 2012-02-08 19:44 there are some SDIO cameras around 2012-02-08 19:44 they're proprietary, old, unsupported and crappy 2012-02-08 19:45 same for SDIO WiFi 2012-02-08 19:45 blow 2012-02-08 19:45 you may have success with serial cameras, through 2012-02-08 19:45 you can get something like 1-3fps on 640x480 2012-02-08 19:45 on a nice baud like 3mbit which ben should have no problems supporting 2012-02-08 19:45 do very compact small ones exsist? 2012-02-08 19:46 afaik yes 2012-02-08 19:46 define "compact"? 2012-02-08 19:46 ours is not pocket size 2012-02-08 19:47 little bit thicker than a smart phone 2012-02-08 19:47 I just found http://www.saelig.com/VI/BOVI001.htm 2012-02-08 19:48 yeesh 2012-02-08 19:48 the ones we have in russia are exactly like that 2012-02-08 19:48 I think it's the very same camera I was talking about 2012-02-08 19:49 I think that size is ok 2012-02-08 19:50 shame its jpeg and not webp 2012-02-08 19:55 is webp any standard already? 2012-02-08 19:55 or only marketing? 2012-02-08 19:55 marketing 2012-02-08 19:55 ls 2012-02-08 19:55 oops 2012-02-08 19:55 roh: ok 2012-02-08 19:55 but webm is not only marketing, right? 2012-02-08 19:55 webm is used, but poorly supported 2012-02-08 19:56 opera,google chrome 2012-02-08 19:56 but as for standard? 2012-02-08 19:56 hopfuly there will be more support in the future. 2012-02-08 19:57 viric: standards are something everbody uses as default. neither webm nor webp is that 2012-02-08 19:57 the stanard is set i thank and with containter. might be the odd bit left to do 2012-02-08 19:58 I wanted to reencode some videos... and I had to decide the encoder 2012-02-08 19:58 I decided for vpx on matroska 2012-02-08 19:58 I hope I'll be able to decode them for long 2012-02-08 19:58 roh: what rubbish. 2012-02-08 19:58 vpx? 2012-02-08 19:58 do you think similar? 2012-02-08 19:58 hm vp8 2012-02-08 19:58 from libvpx 2012-02-08 19:58 libvpx is codec 2012-02-08 19:58 hm. well.. i dont think thats universal yet. you will have trouble with most devices playing that 2012-02-08 19:59 ffmpeg project had even better codec in dev 2012-02-08 19:59 ah, devices 2012-02-08 19:59 matroska as container is ok. we will see about codecs 2012-02-08 19:59 I don't care much on the devices 2012-02-08 19:59 I'm doubting on vp8 or xvid 2012-02-08 19:59 (the only device I could be interested in using plays xvid) 2012-02-08 19:59 xvid in avi is the de-facto standard btw 2012-02-08 19:59 not mpeg4 plese 2012-02-08 20:00 avi rubbish and mpeg4 2012-02-08 20:00 xvid IS mpeg4.2 2012-02-08 20:00 so STOP USEING RUBISH ARRRR 2012-02-08 20:00 and actually looks better than most h264 codecs 2012-02-08 20:00 what a waste of band width 2012-02-08 20:00 qwebirc61666: stop annoying people. 2012-02-08 20:01 the vpx people give even verilog decoders for what I remember 2012-02-08 20:01 for free 2012-02-08 20:01 viric: they say they do 2012-02-08 20:02 viric: well.. i know what the hw decoder chipsets support and thats basically mpeg4.2, mpeg4.10 (h264) in sd and hd resolutions, sometimes even all res... sometimes resolutions which are divisible by 16 or so 2012-02-08 20:02 only say? :) 2012-02-08 20:02 (supper) 2012-02-08 20:02 in addition to some wmv9 and similar stuff. but nothing 'new' from the last 2-3 years. 2012-02-08 20:03 support is separate from standard 2012-02-08 20:03 it takes time till stuff is supported in asics. on the other hand its much more energy preserving in asic. 2012-02-08 20:03 qwebirc61666: there can not be one standard 2012-02-08 20:04 I never said there must be one standard 2012-02-08 20:04 usecases are too different in requirements. (latency/quality/features/support/compatibility). every usecase develops its own combination and thus different codec/container combinations get chosen. 2012-02-08 20:05 vp8 h264 and if you must must must then other 2012-02-08 20:05 hw vendors usually adopt the 'support everything major used codec' route and do containers in sw. 2012-02-08 20:06 genic hw enc/denc suport vp8. see webm website 2012-02-08 20:06 webm is not foss useable in hw 2012-02-08 20:07 ? 2012-02-08 20:07 you mean hw not foss? 2012-02-08 20:07 there is no opensource for webm support in open hardware 2012-02-08 20:07 they got a design but refuse to release it. 2012-02-08 20:07 under a license useable for open hw 2012-02-08 20:08 closed you can make a deal. but not for opensource hw 2012-02-08 20:08 from google, this is? 2012-02-08 20:08 yes 2012-02-08 20:08 oh did not know that. thanks 2012-02-08 20:08 somebody tried getting it from google for the milkymist but they refused/ignored it 2012-02-08 20:09 so the stance of google on opensource stays 'a bit for marketing, but not by heart' 2012-02-08 20:11 remmber open source is free software murdered for evil bizness 2012-02-08 20:11 i think you are confused 2012-02-08 20:11 its broken businesscases which conflict with opensource. 2012-02-08 20:11