2012-01-31 00:03 that's why everything tastes like chicken... 2012-01-31 00:13 no, that's because there's not enough glutamate on your food ;-)) 2012-01-31 00:14 huh. a truck with 19 ton (sic) of latex gloves was stolen from FSB [a Russian federal security service] 2012-01-31 00:15 do you worry more about what will happen to them now or more that the FSB needed them in the first place ? 2012-01-31 00:17 I worry more about how to move, like, several thousand kilometers to the southeast 2012-01-31 00:17 again, I'm not paranoid and I don't feel any discomfort regarding acting the way I do - but the fact some of you now think I'd be paranoid actually is exactly in line with my little game, which makes me smile :-) 2012-01-31 00:18 * whitequark looks up "paranoid" in the dictionary 2012-01-31 00:18 ah, got it. you do not suffer from that, you enjoy it 2012-01-31 00:20 whitequark: africa or australia ? 2012-01-31 00:20 wpwrak: australia 2012-01-31 00:21 yes, I actually enjoy playing games with the "powers that be", and sometimes maybe also with you :-D 2012-01-31 00:21 wpwrak: I'd prefer somewhere closer to Jupiter orbit, but there are no kittens on jupiter. How'd I live without kittens. 2012-01-31 00:21 seems I stated that before 2012-01-31 00:21 whitequark: ah, any concrete plans (for .au) ? 2012-01-31 00:21 DocScrutinizer: I don't recall, but it's kinda obvious 2012-01-31 00:21 wpwrak: yes. 1) get a university degree 2012-01-31 00:21 whitequark: (jupiter) maybe with the help of the monoliths ... ? 2012-01-31 00:22 no way witout it 2012-01-31 00:22 i see. long-term planning :) 2012-01-31 00:22 2) become someone who will be useful enough for a potential employer to pay for relocation 2012-01-31 00:22 and etc. 2012-01-31 00:22 that's not going to happen within the next few years, which is not surprising, given my age 2012-01-31 00:23 * whitequark looks at DocScrutinizer and shuts up 2012-01-31 00:23 1b) marry into a russian mafia family, so that you get the financial resources for ... 2012-01-31 00:23 2b) conversion into a kangaroo. then you'll pass as native :) 2012-01-31 00:24 getting away from anything even loosely related to "russian" things (that is, as percieved by people from other countries) is the task 0). 2012-01-31 00:24 ;-)) 2012-01-31 00:25 ah, condemned to a life of denying your origin. and already at such a tender age. how tragic ... 2012-01-31 00:25 * whitequark writes that down to his collection of pathetic English statements 2012-01-31 00:25 (-:C 2012-01-31 00:26 you don't even remotely know how hard it is to write something really pathetic for a foreigner 2012-01-31 00:26 foreigner ? 2012-01-31 00:26 as for language 2012-01-31 00:27 oh, english isn't my first language either 2012-01-31 00:27 hm 2012-01-31 00:27 have you ever talked to native speakers? I did not 2012-01-31 00:27 although i sometimes fool people. when writing. my accent gives it away, though :) 2012-01-31 00:28 (native speakers) yes, of course 2012-01-31 00:28 I know some people on IRC. mostly on #qi-hw channel. that's it 2012-01-31 00:28 of course I read a lot in English, but that's mostly technical articles 2012-01-31 00:29 while there definitely are some quite pathetic phrases, they are not that widespread 2012-01-31 00:29 so your spoken in english will be horrible. well, don't worry :) 2012-01-31 00:29 I think my written english is quite horrible, too 2012-01-31 00:30 spoken is at roughly same degree of horribleness, according to my teacher 2012-01-31 00:30 naw, it's your written english is good 2012-01-31 00:30 strange enough, on a flight back from TPE the Taiwanese lady seated next to me started some smalltalk with me, and she guessed I must be an American 2012-01-31 00:30 .. while mine visibly declines after dinner with beer :-( 2012-01-31 00:31 DocScrutinizer: must have been the eyes :) 2012-01-31 00:31 hers or mine? :-D 2012-01-31 00:32 DocScrutinizer: hmm. advice for ladies: "don't wear glasses on a date. you'll look better. and he, too." 2012-01-31 00:32 lol 2012-01-31 00:34 * whitequark has an err... impaired vision he does not know how to measure in this weird american units, but he does not wear any glasses... because he's too lazy to get a pair 2012-01-31 00:34 then the impairment probably isn't too bad yet 2012-01-31 00:34 and most of the world doesn't use american units :) 2012-01-31 00:35 I don't clearly see 11pt font on 96dpi 15" display 2012-01-31 00:35 hm 2012-01-31 00:35 then it's -3 dioptries. 2012-01-31 00:35 myopia ? astigmatism ? 2012-01-31 00:35 myopia, yes 2012-01-31 00:36 ah, unavoidable for bookish people 2012-01-31 00:36 -3 is significant. if you don't like glasses, you ought to try lenses. 2012-01-31 00:37 i suppose you don't drive 2012-01-31 00:37 on the other hand, while I'm unable to recognize people by faces (I think there's a medical condition for that), this way I taught myself to recognize people by figure, style of clothes, voice parameters and, to a lesser degree, walking 2012-01-31 00:37 wpwrak: (bookish) probably, this is a result of using a CRT monitor for ~2 years when I was ~12-14 (don't remember that precisely) 2012-01-31 00:37 at least it stopped to decrease after I switched to LCD 2012-01-31 00:38 mostly 2012-01-31 00:38 yes, I don't drive 2012-01-31 00:38 it does not help you much here in Moscow. traffic jams are more a normal condition here. 2012-01-31 00:38 funny. might be one of the many shades of the autistic complex (complex = collection of ailments) 2012-01-31 00:38 i.e. if it's a day and you don't stay in one, then some disaster happened 2012-01-31 00:39 (myopia) naw, it's not caused by your display. more likely, the progression simply reached its stable point. 2012-01-31 00:39 (autistic) yeah, maybe. I'm not that autistic as some of geeks around are (no problems with communication with people I don't know, etc.), but there's something in that version that may be true 2012-01-31 00:40 (myopia) that's what everyone except my parents say. I think the truth is out here :D 2012-01-31 00:40 autistic elements in behavioural patterns are strongly correlated with the skills required for the sort of engineering work common in IT. so ... :) 2012-01-31 00:42 you'll need glasses at university 2012-01-31 00:42 (phrase about autistic elements) I don't know if it does sound just as technical and, er, non-smalltalkish in English, but when I pronounce these kinds of verbal patterns, I'm often told that I am a bore :D 2012-01-31 00:43 distances are too large there to do without them at your correction. you may be able to copy from others for a while but eventually it'll get too cimbersome 2012-01-31 00:43 (university) there are problems much worse with that 2012-01-31 00:43 and with lenses being an convenient and affordable option today, it's not much trouble anyway 2012-01-31 00:44 (bore) well, imagine mr. spock at a party, but without the pointy ears :) 2012-01-31 00:45 social skills can also be emulated. takes a while to learn that, though. 2012-01-31 00:46 (university) when I said I need a degree, I meant that I need it for australian's migration service, not much for myself. I don't know if that's just me (everyone I know seem to settle on the same conclusion), but just by taking classes thoroughfully you won't get much knowledge and/or skills useful for your future work. better talk to all of those clever people in the next building, and pass the exams by the usual way students do--of cou 2012-01-31 00:46 shit. ircd. se I mean working hardly through the entire semester. 2012-01-31 00:47 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 00:47 university teaches you how to learn. it's not so much about the actual knowledge. 2012-01-31 00:47 plus, it may give you some freedom to explore. depends a bit on how they work. 2012-01-31 00:48 sometimes the way they try to teach you is just plain wrong 2012-01-31 00:48 oh, sure. but some things will stick nevertheless. 2012-01-31 00:48 well, that's how I failed math 2012-01-31 00:48 several times 2012-01-31 00:48 besides, you're not motivated to learn most of that they tell you, because you don't have any immediate use 2012-01-31 00:49 maybe it's not wrong per se -- it may be just unsuitable for me, personally 2012-01-31 00:49 it's part of an experience :) 2012-01-31 00:49 (freedom to explore) depends on the university. I was at Bioengineering and Bioinformatics of MSU 2012-01-31 00:50 that's a not-so-short story 2012-01-31 00:50 (and I'm barely able to translate it. I'll try, through) 2012-01-31 00:50 bbiab 2012-01-31 00:51 (explore) some run a very school-like shop. lots of exams, etc. that limits what you can do. bioengineering may expose you to enough new things that you won't mind, though. 2012-01-31 00:52 of you take a route that's closer to what you already know, then frequent exams are a nuisance. of course, eventually you learn how to pass them with the minimum amount of preparation, too :) 2012-01-31 00:52 yes, there was a lot of good things, and a lot of things which the teachers didn't care about explaining in a way that you won't need to memorize all of that blindly 2012-01-31 00:52 which I just cannot do 2012-01-31 00:53 that was mostly math. the teachers themselves were really good, and I enjoyed discussing some nontrivial problems with them 2012-01-31 00:54 I think that's just the course which was passed from some higher level braindead department 2012-01-31 00:54 memorizing things may be a question of structuring them 2012-01-31 00:54 if you have enough information to structure them, yes 2012-01-31 00:54 and not just a heap of facts which are there because you'll need them a year after 2012-01-31 00:54 or relying on short-term memory, before the exams :) 2012-01-31 00:55 no ... structure them such that you can retrieve that information for a few hours. not finding a logical structure. that comes later. 2012-01-31 00:56 e.g., learn the night before the exam. repeat things on the bus. then most of it will still be around. 2012-01-31 00:58 well, anyway. after I got enough of that and also discovered that if I really need that particular part of math for something I'm able to understand better it in 1/10th of time, I decided to quit--bioengineering is defintiely not what I want to "do my entire life" and go to some kind of university where you don't actually need to learn something if you don't want to. i.e. 99% of russian ones (sadly, I think). 2012-01-31 00:58 I'll still try to find one where you have someone to talk to if you actually want to learn. 2012-01-31 00:58 (I can still go to MSU if I want.) 2012-01-31 00:58 there should be someone at most of them 2012-01-31 00:59 you'd be surprised if you know :( 2012-01-31 00:59 USSR's education was maybe not perfect, but one of the best in the world. if not best. 2012-01-31 00:59 naw, people may get despondent, but many had some ideals in their past 2012-01-31 00:59 it's destroyed now, almost completely 2012-01-31 00:59 see. so some good people must still be around 2012-01-31 00:59 in all the ways you could imagine 2012-01-31 01:00 I mean 2012-01-31 01:00 in 98% of them you pass the exams by paying enough money 2012-01-31 01:00 somewhere like $100-$150 per one 2012-01-31 01:01 whether it is possible to pass by having actual knowledge is highly dependent 2012-01-31 01:01 on the particular one 2012-01-31 01:01 ah, the joy of privatized education :) 2012-01-31 01:01 it is not 2012-01-31 01:02 at least formally 2012-01-31 01:02 ;-) 2012-01-31 01:02 the miraculous power of bakshish then :) 2012-01-31 01:02 there's already not enough engineers in the country to run the stuff we already have 2012-01-31 01:03 and, er, most of uni graduates are economists 2012-01-31 01:03 and lawyers 2012-01-31 01:03 and most of the engineers who are staying there are, well, USSR engineers 2012-01-31 01:04 there must be some parasitologists as well, to keep count :) 2012-01-31 01:04 and they solve the problems in a very USSR way 2012-01-31 01:04 for example 2012-01-31 01:04 I know a company which makes sonic fish-finders 2012-01-31 01:05 the head engineer of it cannot read English, but is forced to use western uCs, as there are almost no Soviet ones around 2012-01-31 01:05 in russia, dynamite finds fish ? :) 2012-01-31 01:05 so he just picks the first schematic in the datasheet 2012-01-31 01:05 I mean, seriously 2012-01-31 01:05 he designs his circuits that way 2012-01-31 01:05 also, he is afraid of CPUs 2012-01-31 01:05 :) 2012-01-31 01:05 and he uses russian-made LDOs 2012-01-31 01:05 they spontaneously fail in ~a month 2012-01-31 01:06 they not only explode, but also fail short, exploding everything that's after them 2012-01-31 01:06 or there are LCD's (HD44700-like) 2012-01-31 01:06 nastrovje ! :) 2012-01-31 01:06 if you pull contrast to the end of its operating range (still within it), they will die 2012-01-31 01:07 they will also die spontaneously 2012-01-31 01:07 a few more years and he'll be gone, too 2012-01-31 01:07 "nastrovje"? err... is that a Google Translate error? I don't know such a word 2012-01-31 01:07 of course, his successor will read perfect english but won't understand the chinese data sheets 2012-01-31 01:07 (be gone) yes, given the amount of vodka he drinks. and this is not a joke, unfortunately 2012-01-31 01:08 "cheers" in russian ? 2012-01-31 01:08 mhm 2012-01-31 01:08 if I understand what you meant, that would be more "na zdorovje!" 2012-01-31 01:09 and I think you picked up the wrong translation variant anyway :) 2012-01-31 01:09 ah, interesting :) it made it as a single word through the iron curtain 2012-01-31 01:09 or maybe from there to the rest of the west 2012-01-31 01:10 at least the not overly educated part of it 2012-01-31 01:10 that is a toast (not the bread one, you know) 2012-01-31 01:10 yeah :) 2012-01-31 01:10 ok 2012-01-31 01:10 like "cheers" 2012-01-31 01:11 for "cheers", my dictionary lists 4 variants: that toast, "congrats" [sarcastically], "thanks" (Brit.), "bye" (Brit.") 2012-01-31 01:11 and I'm not sure if I ever seen the word "cheers" in the wild, so... 2012-01-31 01:11 linguistic issues ftw! 2012-01-31 01:13 my friend works with that sonar company, because, hm 2012-01-31 01:13 http://xkcd.com/350/ 2012-01-31 01:13 you use "cheers" when drinking. i also use it as "goodbye" in non-public mails. 2012-01-31 01:14 ah ok 2012-01-31 01:15 most of the stuff they do is so unbelievably stupid that you think it should be some abstract joke 2012-01-31 01:15 then you realize 2012-01-31 01:15 for example.. 2012-01-31 01:15 they do not know parameters of their sensors 2012-01-31 01:15 I repeat 2012-01-31 01:16 they do not know anything. frequency response? sensitivity? nothing. 2012-01-31 01:16 1/4 of sensors are dead 2012-01-31 01:16 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 01:16 for others, a feedback resistor in the device is HAND-MILLED to adjust for sensor's crappiness 2012-01-31 01:17 they use a Soviet era amplifier chip 2012-01-31 01:17 in DIP4 2012-01-31 01:17 and they solder it in SMD-ish way by giving it to students, which manually bend the pins 2012-01-31 01:17 *DIP8 2012-01-31 01:18 well, in 10-20 years, they'll have caught up with today's modern technology 2012-01-31 01:18 no 2012-01-31 01:18 in 10-20 years they probably all will be dead 2012-01-31 01:19 then you can dance on their graves. a happy thought :) 2012-01-31 01:19 I could, if they were my competitors 2012-01-31 01:19 but they're Russia present and future 2012-01-31 01:20 and they are not competitors to anyone 2012-01-31 01:20 you can still dance on the graves of friends. even though it may be awkward. 2012-01-31 01:21 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 01:21 well 2012-01-31 01:21 if there was someone who'd catch up and fix this horrible situation 2012-01-31 01:21 but anyone trying to do so is actively prevented 2012-01-31 01:21 no competitors ? gee, everybody working alongside without friction, for the greater good of the soviet nation. Brezhnev would be so proud :) 2012-01-31 01:22 (Brezhnev) well, he died before I was born, so everything I know about him is his magnificent jacket 2012-01-31 01:23 and if I ask someone older, then I will probably hear an obscenity or two 2012-01-31 01:23 ;-)) 2012-01-31 01:24 in the west, we certainly thought some obscenities in his general direction 2012-01-31 01:24 mhm 2012-01-31 01:24 of course, we have to credit him for preparing the downfall of the USSR 2012-01-31 01:25 that was inevitable 2012-01-31 01:29 possibly. exiting the arms race in time may have prolonged the agony, though 2012-01-31 01:42 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:25 C-Keen [C-Keen!cckeen@pestilenz.org] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:25 jonand [jonand!~kakmnstr@h35n1-asp-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:25 DocScrutinizer51 [DocScrutinizer51!~lagrange@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:26 Jay7 [Jay7!jay@89-179-40-5.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:27 hm 2012-01-31 02:27 signed up for Analog's webinar : http://t.co/RGrW9xlv 2012-01-31 02:28 never seen a webinar before. I wonder how useful it will turn out to be 2012-01-31 02:29 i never tried :) 2012-01-31 02:29 * kristianpaul always get late to wemiars 2012-01-31 02:29 oh that will be a problem 2012-01-31 02:29 s/wemiars/webinar 2012-01-31 02:29 it's 9AM MSK 2012-01-31 02:30 if it's useful, it'll be good to know it is. if not, as well, of course :) 2012-01-31 02:30 and at lack of interest too :) 2012-01-31 02:30 ... I will just say one thing. there's a pharmacy in my house. for two months straight, I was not able to come in, as it was "always closed" 2012-01-31 02:30 turned out that it is open 9-21 2012-01-31 02:30 9 am ? in russia, no alarm clocks ? 2012-01-31 02:31 wpwrak: I am alarm-deficient 2012-01-31 02:31 no matter how hard will you (or some clocky thing) to wake me up, I won't 2012-01-31 02:31 if that'd be a clock which can be turned off, it will be somehow turned off 2012-01-31 02:31 and I probably won't even remember that 2012-01-31 02:31 keep trying. you'll find one :) 2012-01-31 02:31 well 2012-01-31 02:32 cell phones work great 2012-01-31 02:32 if something really fucking serious will be tomorrow, then I'll wake up by myself, with less than minute precision 2012-01-31 02:32 so I figure out that I have very good internal clock 2012-01-31 02:33 wpwrak: cell phones, indeed ! 2012-01-31 02:33 yup, never underestimate the internal clock 2012-01-31 02:33 cell phones do not work 2012-01-31 02:33 they have an "turn it off" key 2012-01-31 02:33 actually thats my only excuse to still having one ;-) 2012-01-31 02:33 other alarm clocks, failed.. 2012-01-31 02:34 and this key is not buried deep in the UI like the Facebook account deletion button 2012-01-31 02:34 it should. 2012-01-31 02:34 the one i had before my current one was about 3x4 cm. when the alarm rand, the sound pressure alone threw you out of bed 2012-01-31 02:34 how much wall collisions could it stand? 2012-01-31 02:34 my current one is more gentle. it still wakes me from two rooms away, though 2012-01-31 02:35 then you're an easy person to awake 2012-01-31 02:35 most often people fail to wake me up, too 2012-01-31 02:35 I can stand up and say "ok, I'm awake" 2012-01-31 02:35 do they try water ? :) 2012-01-31 02:35 half a hour later I'm mysteriously back in bed and don't remember that 2012-01-31 02:35 and by saying "I don't remember" I mean just that. No memories. 2012-01-31 02:36 (water) too much stress for everyday use 2012-01-31 02:36 set you internal clock and you;ll be fine 2012-01-31 02:36 the problem is 2012-01-31 02:36 it disregards as "nonimportant" everything that is less than, hm 2012-01-31 02:36 whatever was last time... 2012-01-31 02:36 vodka then. easier to get in russia anyway :) add matches if really necessary 2012-01-31 02:37 I don't quite remember. A long-awaited date? iirc I slept through that. 2012-01-31 02:37 vodka? ahem. how is that supposed to wake me up? 2012-01-31 02:37 most of the people returning to sleep easily make the mistake of assuming the ones trying to wake up won't try to kill them :) 2012-01-31 02:38 just as a solvent. and fire accelerator :) 2012-01-31 02:38 heh 2012-01-31 02:39 actually, it's such a problem that I prefer to stay awake at night (with all the consequences to clearness of mind, yes) if I have something relatively important 2012-01-31 02:39 then, add coffee 2012-01-31 02:39 ask DocScrutinizer about his "rude wakeup call", even without much external help. i think he'll agree that his got his juices flowing :) 2012-01-31 02:39 and redbull 2012-01-31 02:39 maybe mixed 2012-01-31 02:40 DocScrutinizer: can't wait to hear about that! :D 2012-01-31 02:40 it sounds promising. and scary a bit 2012-01-31 02:40 maybe connect you alarm clock to a bowl full of animals you resent. worms, spiders, scorpions, whatever 2012-01-31 02:40 is that legal under Geneva convention? 2012-01-31 02:40 it's both :) 2012-01-31 02:41 mhm 2012-01-31 02:41 I think that'd be an easy way for me to stop being afraid of that kind of animals 2012-01-31 02:41 worms? nope, they're just disgusting a bit 2012-01-31 02:42 spiders ? 2012-01-31 02:42 snakes perhaps ? 2012-01-31 02:42 spiders and scorpions? very well maybe, but I doubt that's a good idea, apart from the task of finding a bowl of spiders 2012-01-31 02:42 oh, snaaaakes 2012-01-31 02:42 I love them 2012-01-31 02:42 rats ? 2012-01-31 02:43 a snake feels just like a rigid garden hose (those with water). quite a pleasant sensation 2012-01-31 02:43 they're also muscular 2012-01-31 02:43 yes, like a muscular host 2012-01-31 02:43 *hose 2012-01-31 02:43 liquid nitrogen ? 2012-01-31 02:43 (rats) nice little creations 2012-01-31 02:43 hm 2012-01-31 02:44 that'd be very one time solution 2012-01-31 02:44 through gathering liquid nitrogen isn't much of a problem 2012-01-31 02:44 so I might try that sometimes 2012-01-31 02:45 a bowl of boiling nitroglycerine, being slowly titled. so you have to roll out of harm's way quickly enough. 2012-01-31 02:45 er 2012-01-31 02:45 do you know how nitroglycerine works? 2012-01-31 02:45 without alarm. so you only warning will be the squeaking of the mechanism tiling the bowl. 2012-01-31 02:45 lightly pinch a bowl with a finger. watch your finger flying away. 2012-01-31 02:45 that's the idea :) 2012-01-31 02:46 (squeaking) I'm sometimes much of a perfectionist 2012-01-31 02:46 that machine won't squiek 2012-01-31 02:46 squeak 2012-01-31 02:46 shriek. 2012-01-31 02:46 oh! I know 2012-01-31 02:46 I need a pet shrieker 2012-01-31 02:46 no, that's part of the design. makes sure you subconsciousness won't sleep 2012-01-31 02:47 yeah, get dog. why not 2012-01-31 02:47 s/get/get a/ 2012-01-31 02:47 wpwrak meant: "yeah, get a dog. why not" 2012-01-31 02:47 no, not that kind of shrieker 2012-01-31 02:47 http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Shrieker 2012-01-31 02:47 those bastards are effective enough, trust me 2012-01-31 02:48 my neighbors have recently bought a dog 2012-01-31 02:48 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.74] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 02:48 hmm. a balrog may get your juices pumping faster, though 2012-01-31 02:48 each time I open my front door in my flat, it begins to bark 2012-01-31 02:49 combine with my habit of coming in and out at 3-6AM 2012-01-31 02:49 mwahahaha 2012-01-31 02:49 http://www.mwahahahahahaha.com/ 2012-01-31 02:51 hm 2012-01-31 02:52 registered for that webinar 2012-01-31 02:52 3 hours to go 2012-01-31 02:52 they've asked me if I'm in Europe and if yes, what's my phone number 2012-01-31 02:52 no, it's on Feb 8 2012-01-31 02:53 and btw it's 2 hours to 9 am ::) 2012-01-31 02:53 I provided them my real phone number, just out of curiosity 2012-01-31 02:53 will I receive some EE SMS spam? 2012-01-31 02:53 if yes, from what country will it originate?.. 2012-01-31 03:00 whitequark: the data for that Google public transport routing is all public, anyone could download all the indicies and implement routing: https://developers.google.com/transit/gtfs/ 2012-01-31 03:08 pabs3: oh, interesting! so Google's not that evil as I thought 2012-01-31 03:08 I wonder if any OSM navigators can read that 2012-01-31 03:09 I expect there are some non-public feeds; there are lots of public ones though: https://code.google.com/p/googletransitdatafeed/wiki/PublicFeeds 2012-01-31 03:11 http://www.gtfs-data-exchange.com/ 2012-01-31 03:38 heberth_ [heberth_!~heberth@190.97.216.79] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 04:19 heberth_ [heberth_!~heberth@190.97.216.80] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 05:10 paroneayea [paroneayea!~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 05:42 paroneayea [paroneayea!~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 05:44 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 06:53 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-5.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 07:27 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 07:30 methril [methril!~methril@188.141.121.132] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 07:41 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@114.241.252.33] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 08:24 fossrox [fossrox!~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 09:03 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 09:52 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 10:50 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 10:57 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:04 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:17 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:22 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:32 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:35 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 11:56 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 12:00 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 12:30 zrafa [zrafa!~rafa@186.137.0.13] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 12:30 hello 2012-01-31 12:32 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 12:33 I have a hw question. Maybe somebody could give me some help?. I am trying to guess how expensive is to make this arduino board: http://diy4fun.blogspot.com/2009/04/coreduino.html 2012-01-31 12:33 Then.. I am checking at digikey the parts 2012-01-31 12:34 The post on the blog does not have the list part. And the author did not give it. But he gave some pictures and pdfs (schematic, layout, final board etc..). So. My first question: 2012-01-31 12:35 schematic and layout show a resitor 680. I checked the pictures and it is a resistor on surface. Then I checked digikey.. And I found at least two, but I do not know which of them should be the correct one: 2012-01-31 12:35 I found : 2012-01-31 12:36 1- http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/5-1614884-8/A103233CT-ND/2728793 2012-01-31 12:36 and 2012-01-31 12:36 2- http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/5-1676481-1/A103120CT-ND/2728677 2012-01-31 12:36 1 is : RES 680 OHM 1/16W 0.1% 060 2012-01-31 12:36 sorry.. that was 2- :P. Again : 2012-01-31 12:36 1 is : RES 680 OHM 1/10W 0.1% 0805 2012-01-31 12:37 2 is : RES 680 OHM 1/16W 0.1% 060 2012-01-31 12:37 How could know which is the correct one. I have some pictures and schematic. No more I guess 2012-01-31 12:38 (sorry if this is a little off topic). But coreduino could be a little "open" hardware. No sure anyway :) 2012-01-31 12:41 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@38.155.26.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 12:48 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 13:39 zrafa: if you really are into hobby electronics you should buy yourself resistor kits 2012-01-31 13:40 zrafa: 0603 kits on ebay are pretty cheap 2012-01-31 13:47 jonand: Ah, okey. But question : how could I know the exact capacitor or oscillator from pics from that blog project example? 2012-01-31 13:49 zrafa: which cap? 2012-01-31 13:49 C1/C2? 2012-01-31 13:52 c5 2012-01-31 13:52 (if that is a capacitor :) ) 2012-01-31 13:53 checking 2012-01-31 13:53 c5 is just bulk decoupling 2012-01-31 13:53 any value will do 2012-01-31 13:54 ah.. great, thanks 2012-01-31 13:57 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 14:08 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.96] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 14:17 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 14:59 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@166.95.13.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 15:02 jirkab [jirkab!~root@pclph406g.vsb.cz] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 15:45 zrafa: you should ask him for the sources. seems that he used kicad. there, you can see what size the components have. 2012-01-31 16:00 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 16:15 this is some fucking small package: http://www.ixbt.com/news/hard/index.shtml?15/47/31 2012-01-31 16:21 are you curious why Phobos-Grunt has failed? http://top.rbc.ru/society/31/01/2012/635653.shtml 2012-01-31 16:21 62% if ICs were indiustrial-grade, not space-grade 2012-01-31 16:28 somebody wanted to save some money? 2012-01-31 16:32 if you call a mission "grunt", what can you expect ? 2012-01-31 16:35 wpwrak: I sent him an email 2012-01-31 16:35 :) 2012-01-31 16:40 wpwrak: Grunt = Soil :D 2012-01-31 16:41 according to "dict": "an unskilled or low-ranking soldier or other worker" 2012-01-31 16:42 of course, it may also describe the sound the mission controllers made when the saw it fail 2012-01-31 16:43 wpwrak: Grunt = Грунт = Почва = Soil 2012-01-31 16:46 ah, in russian. maybe the chips they used only spoke english ... 2012-01-31 16:46 were you expecting a satellite assembled by former USSR engineers to have an English name? 2012-01-31 16:47 well, you never know :) 2012-01-31 16:50 oh. another pearl from a very russian devboard maker 2012-01-31 16:50 he does not route hardware SPI ports of ARMs at all, because: 2012-01-31 16:50 "why spend them for nothing? you don't have a lot of them anyway" 2012-01-31 16:50 and now he has three unrouted SPIs. 2012-01-31 16:50 if they are former engineers it might explain why the project failed ;) 2012-01-31 16:51 another one 2012-01-31 16:52 he has routed M[1..0] pins of FPGA to the address bus of SoC 2012-01-31 16:52 I don't know how does that work in his distro, but it actually does 2012-01-31 16:52 magic 2012-01-31 16:53 you're just envious ;-) 2012-01-31 16:55 it's the same one who omits the bypass capacitors on the board when he's short on them 2012-01-31 16:55 randomly. 2012-01-31 16:56 and I guess he has designed his extension connector by a coin flip 2012-01-31 16:58 better than no design concept at all :) 2012-01-31 16:58 ... 2012-01-31 16:58 you don't have to work with these boards 2012-01-31 16:58 and also don't have to listen to someone who has 2012-01-31 17:19 fossrox_ [fossrox_!~fossrox@89-68-81-95.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 17:23 wolfspra1l [wolfspra1l!~wolfsprau@114.241.252.33] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 17:24 fossrox_ [fossrox_!~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 17:34 urandom__ [urandom__!~user@ip-176-199-8-56.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 17:50 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::a05] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 18:15 Humble Indie Bundle has landed! http://www.humblebundle.com 2012-01-31 18:18 paroneayea [paroneayea!~user@fsf/member/paroneayea] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 18:18 jluis [jluis!~jluis@12.Red-79-153-34.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 18:25 gnutoo_ [gnutoo_!~GNUtoo@host29-81-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 18:42 ah yes, heard of that. so pathetic, that world of closed source :) 2012-01-31 18:48 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 18:54 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 19:17 * whitequark has ignored wpwrak and bought that. 2012-01-31 19:18 mind you, not every app on this planet must be OSS 2012-01-31 19:18 * jow_laptop likes Osmos 2012-01-31 19:32 * larsc played osmos before it was cool ;) 2012-01-31 19:33 * C-Keen too 2012-01-31 19:33 * jow_laptop didn't know its "cool" already 2012-01-31 19:34 it has been part of a humble bundle several times 2012-01-31 19:34 yeah, I got it with the first one 2012-01-31 19:34 or the first one that included it (?) - don't recall 2012-01-31 19:35 anyway, doesn't change the fact that I still like it :) very relaxing 2012-01-31 19:35 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-5.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 19:53 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@11.241.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-31 19:54 world of goo is niiice 2012-01-31 19:54 it would be nice if more games would use the open source, closed data model instead of closed source, closed data 2012-01-31 19:55 then you'd can play your games in the future and on other devices, without them having to give everything away 2012-01-31 19:55 -'d 2012-01-31 20:19 wpwrak: I'm with you, about the closed source :) 2012-01-31 20:40 wpwrak, mth, I agree with you, but so far, that's one of the first step to bring some games to GNU/Linux. Sources will came after. 2012-01-31 20:40 Besides, the Humble Indie Bundle do release the source fot the game they sells sometimes. 2012-01-31 20:42 first? 2012-01-31 20:42 there were the loki times 2012-01-31 20:42 I said one of because of that yes 2012-01-31 20:42 ah ok 2012-01-31 20:43 Still I don't think as much people have heard about Loki as people who have heard about the HIB 2012-01-31 20:44 This sadly reminds me a lot of people don't switch to Linux sometimes only because of gaming. Like if freedom was no big deal. 2012-01-31 20:44 Actually, I went throu a "what's the point" phase at the moment. 2012-01-31 20:45 I originally switched to Linux because it was more stable than Win9x 2012-01-31 20:45 I only started to appreciate open source later 2012-01-31 20:46 'cause half of my family have Macbooks (and Apple iStuffs) "because it's so easy to use" and I didn't saw myself explaining that it was restrictive technology in front of 5~6 conservative (understand pro-corporate) iFans. 2012-01-31 20:46 OS X is not nearly as restrictive as iOS though 2012-01-31 20:46