2012-01-30 00:03 baby born :)? 2012-01-30 00:03 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 00:28 nah,this is where I deal with tickets, while my colleagues already forgot about that product 2012-01-30 00:29 http://www.stericsson.com/products/m7400-thor.jsp is current topic for everybody except me 2012-01-30 00:32 ah, you haven't been accepted in the illustrious LTE circle yet :) 2012-01-30 00:32 at least they didn't have you get started with GSM, CDMA, or TDMA :) 2012-01-30 01:09 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 01:14 xiangfu_ [xiangfu_!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 01:41 orsonzhai [orsonzhai!~zhai@1.202.15.210] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 02:11 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-01-30 02:11 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 02:26 DocScrutinizer: how hackable are these LTE things you are making? is there a possiblity of OsmocomLTE on them some time in the distant future? 2012-01-30 02:30 before make it, can you buy it? 2012-01-30 02:35 also i guess LTS specifications are kinda same as like GSM 2012-01-30 02:38 just checked irclog. the 'sdcv' is include since 'Image 2010-06-15'. needs check the image verison by 'cat /etc/VERSION' 2012-01-30 02:38 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: bard: update to 0.6 and disable mouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/927c833 2012-01-30 02:40 * kristianpaul opens is third qq account 2012-01-30 02:57 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/65c48a3 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6ff2086 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7ac9c08 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9966026 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a5cc97a 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d253061 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/975b14c 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7587a4c 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/92612cc 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: base-files: add hostname (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6dda079 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: update config-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a711061 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/79165fa 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/73257ed 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/48dad2d 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst qi_lb60 disable WPAN kernel options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/86e88f6 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: change load kernel size (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cf9505c 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1e15cd6 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: select the nanonote slash screen (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/38a6a64 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: this commit break the ks7010 driver. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/94abc04 2012-01-30 03:27 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/810de25 2012-01-30 03:31 whee 2012-01-30 03:32 pabs3, yes. rebase on top of last openwrt. 2012-01-30 03:32 plan to trigger the daily build. and update kernel to 3.2 :) 2012-01-30 03:36 :) 2012-01-30 03:54 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.235] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 04:23 heberth: ping 2012-01-30 04:24 kristianpaul: :D 2012-01-30 04:24 hay foto del condesador este que me paso? 2012-01-30 04:24 por cierto como le fue con el bus pirate? 2012-01-30 04:24 si! 2012-01-30 04:24 ah, y el extrator que me paso no es el mio.. 2012-01-30 04:25 no lo he ensayado. mañana que no tengo nada que hacer lo ensayo 2012-01-30 04:25 bien 2012-01-30 04:25 ahh seguro el suyo se quedo en el laboratorio 2012-01-30 04:25 kristianpaul: http://hotfixed.net/2012/01/30/bienvenidos-al-curso-de-asterisk-1-8-version-2012/ 2012-01-30 04:25 no no, esta en la maletica que lleve 2012-01-30 04:25 ahh entonces te robaste el del laboratorio no! XD 2012-01-30 04:26 ja, yo ! 2012-01-30 04:26 jajaja 2012-01-30 04:26 oops 2012-01-30 04:26 sorry 2012-01-30 04:26 XD 2012-01-30 04:26 i toguth this was #liure 2012-01-30 04:26 s/toguth/tought 2012-01-30 04:26 kristianpaul meant: "i tought this was #liure" 2012-01-30 04:42 ircubu [ircubu!~root@M006165.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 04:46 whoami 2012-01-30 04:46 micalek XD 2012-01-30 04:46 thanks 2012-01-30 04:47 micalek [micalek!~root@M006165.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-01-30 05:27 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 05:48 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 06:03 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120130-0634/ 2012-01-30 06:11 hmm.. the URL is not correct. now I am using the build-nanonote/... now. 2012-01-30 06:11 should be ok when report next time :) 2012-01-30 06:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: update the new daily build URL (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ca217cc 2012-01-30 06:38 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20120130-0713/ 2012-01-30 06:44 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 06:44 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-130.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 07:33 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-5.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 07:36 jluis [jluis!~jpddb@83.247.136.72] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 07:57 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 08:11 openwrt uses uclibc, right? 2012-01-30 08:11 uclibc + g++ build c++ programs just fine, right? 2012-01-30 08:28 viric, yes. 2012-01-30 08:29 hm ok. so there is nothing much special in the libc, concerning c++ 2012-01-30 08:50 Jay7 [Jay7!jay@89-179-40-5.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 08:53 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 08:58 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 09:57 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote base file: change the openDNS to Google public DNS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/6f7d1fd 2012-01-30 09:58 fossrox [fossrox!~fossrox@unaffiliated/fossrox] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:12 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:15 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:19 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:29 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:40 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 10:53 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@178.120.74.156] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 11:26 viric: there are actually two C++ standard libraries available, stdc++ and uClibc++ 2012-01-30 11:26 but since the NN is not that size constrained you can happily link against stdcpp I guess 2012-01-30 11:30 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 11:35 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 12:04 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@166.95.13.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 12:17 jow_laptop: but stdc++ comes with gcc 2012-01-30 12:17 not with glibc. 2012-01-30 12:17 I personally use glibc in the nanonote 2012-01-30 12:17 (I saw the RAM usage was equal to uclibc) 2012-01-30 12:31 ok 2012-01-30 12:46 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 13:10 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 13:17 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 13:22 jirkab [jirkab!~root@pclph406g.vsb.cz] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 13:22 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 13:39 interview with the ColourHug guy: https://banu.com/blog/41/interview-of-colorhug-maker-richard-hughes/ 2012-01-30 13:41 pabs3: oh nice, thanks a lot for sharing 2012-01-30 13:42 I'm a proud owner of a first-batch ColorHug and have been in on-and-off email discussions with Richard 2012-01-30 13:42 np, cool. the interview goes into quite some detail 2012-01-30 13:42 but nothing tangible has emerged yet 2012-01-30 13:43 he is a great great guy and I believe there is potential in this little thing. but the economics will be difficult, as usual. 2012-01-30 13:49 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AD9DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 14:33 http://rhombus-tech.net/ 2012-01-30 14:51 Openfree [Openfree!~Openfreer@58.37.72.121] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 15:39 LunaVorax_ [LunaVorax_!~LunaVorax@salle009.emi.u-bordeaux1.fr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 15:39 Hello everyone! 2012-01-30 15:40 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 15:40 I saw the OMG Ubuntu article about the Ben Nanonote. The comments were pretty mixed and impressive. 2012-01-30 15:42 OMG Ubuntu commenters use to be pretty dumb anyway. 2012-01-30 17:32 Textmode [Textmode!~boneidle@adsl-syd-2-209.ozonline.com.au] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 17:47 Ornotermes [Ornotermes!~rikard@78-69-248-123-no180.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 18:35 GNUtoo [GNUtoo!~GNUtoo@host29-81-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 18:46 Ornotermes [Ornotermes!~rikard@78-69-248-123-no180.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 19:16 RAAAAHHH 250g argentinian filet can really change Ur mood to the better 2012-01-30 19:18 oh, you've been to the bonsai shop ? :) 2012-01-30 19:19 for a typical grill party, i calculate 400-500 g of meat per person :) 2012-01-30 19:22 wpwrak: that's before dehidrating on the grill :) 2012-01-30 19:23 argentine meat doesn't dehydrate much :) 2012-01-30 19:23 I agree 2012-01-30 19:31 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-5.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 19:31 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 20:08 wpwrak: I'm *from* the bonsai shop, just a bit tall 2012-01-30 20:10 ;-)) 2012-01-30 20:10 I actually take weird pride in making a living from <2000 kcalories/day 2012-01-30 20:10 probably soem mental disorder 2012-01-30 20:12 but every now and then a 250..300g first class filet are fine :-D 2012-01-30 20:13 already had some cake for breakfast, plus 4 cafe-latte == 16 sugarcubes today. So only 250g for me 2012-01-30 20:33 wpwrak: what I missed to mention since years: It's really amazing how you manage to disclose less than even I do about your private life, despite being online and present all the time. Seems we got the same education of RL to know how to deal with this vampire called the web 2012-01-30 20:36 LunaVorax [LunaVorax!~LunaVorax@ABordeaux-552-1-66-38.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 20:36 education of what? 2012-01-30 20:42 education to protect your privacy and your future 2012-01-30 20:43 or was RL the query? 2012-01-30 20:43 Real Life 2012-01-30 20:44 ah 2012-01-30 20:44 I did not understand 'rl' 2012-01-30 20:45 if you encounter a real observation, with tapping your phone and all, you start to think about a few habits. Just for instance 2012-01-30 20:47 DocScrutinizer: like in this? http://abstrusegoose.com/396 2012-01-30 20:47 when you start to acquire knowledge about counter measures that are hightech even for three letter agencies, it starts getting insane 2012-01-30 20:51 luckily I realized what's going on before building lethal weapons became a hobby 2012-01-30 20:51 * GNUtoo like 3 letter agencies like FSF, GNU, etc... 2012-01-30 20:51 enforcing GPL since .... 2012-01-30 20:51 even those, yes. Just one club that might be on par: CCC 2012-01-30 20:52 some agencies support TOR 2012-01-30 20:52 other are against 2012-01-30 20:54 meh, TOR 2012-01-30 20:54 boring 2012-01-30 20:55 CIA thinks using TOR makes email to the office safe ;-P 2012-01-30 20:56 other idiots use their GSM phones when they have "sekrit stuff to talk" 2012-01-30 21:00 DocScrutinizer: which details of my private life would interest you ? :) i don't actively try to hide all that much ... 2012-01-30 21:00 I use too much the phone too(not cellphone tough) 2012-01-30 21:00 DocScrutinizer: well, unless you could not being on fakebook or such :) 2012-01-30 21:00 wpwrak, it could interest badly intentioned people 2012-01-30 21:01 FB??? wtf! 2012-01-30 21:01 like people wanting to steal your money etc...everybody understand that they need some kind of privacy else that happend 2012-01-30 21:01 imagine all kind of system abused 2012-01-30 21:01 I'd rather carry unshielded atomic wate 2012-01-30 21:01 it would be a nightmare 2012-01-30 21:01 GNUtoo: yeah, i usually don't post when exactly i'll be away from home, with full direction, detailed overview of all the potential valuables and where they're placed :) 2012-01-30 21:02 in France they will force people to use new electricity counter that monitors what you do 2012-01-30 21:02 so they will be able to know when you're at home or not 2012-01-30 21:02 if I understood well 2012-01-30 21:03 I hope that wouldn't contain a microphone too 2012-01-30 21:04 microphone in counter? how useless, there are better mics since 20 30 years 2012-01-30 21:04 yes in cellphones 2012-01-30 21:04 for instance 2012-01-30 21:05 but if you use a freerunner that defeat the mic in cellphones 2012-01-30 21:05 though first awesome one been FeTAP711 2012-01-30 21:05 you're not obligated to use a non-free phone 2012-01-30 21:05 but you will be obligated to get theses counter 2012-01-30 21:09 people always demand more transparency from their governments, but then, when they get it, they're not happy either. it's really difficult :) 2012-01-30 21:10 hah 2012-01-30 21:12 check: non linear junction detector. Passive microphones. Mechanical ringer and parasitary microphony 2012-01-30 21:12 cat5 and rg58 as capacitive microphone 2012-01-30 21:13 operation distance of laser based micro vibration detectors 2012-01-30 21:14 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 21:14 directional microphony by distributed large array of cheap mics 2012-01-30 21:15 differential microphony 2012-01-30 21:15 microphonic components of incandescent lamps 2012-01-30 21:16 parasitary microphonic effects in switched PSU 2012-01-30 21:18 microphony of arbitrary objects exploited by remote radar distance/doppler 2012-01-30 21:18 (e.g your clothes, your skin) 2012-01-30 21:19 exploiting non-linear acoustic properties of air on ultrasonic waves 2012-01-30 21:20 ooops last one OT, not a eavesdropping measure 2012-01-30 21:20 GNUtoo: you can always balance your electricity consumption too :) 2012-01-30 21:20 ok 2012-01-30 21:21 rather a way to create audio out of nowhere over 10s or 100s of meters distance 2012-01-30 21:21 methril|work [methril|work!~methril@188.141.121.132] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 21:21 lindi-: a new product idea: "equalizer" :) whenever you drop below your peak consumption, it burns off the rest 2012-01-30 21:21 ouch 2012-01-30 21:21 or put it in batteries 2012-01-30 21:22 actually a UPS would make lots of sense in that scenario 2012-01-30 21:22 GNUtoo: or supply the various countermeasures you need to keep DocScrutinizer from listening in ;-) 2012-01-30 21:22 putting the sauna behind the UPS might be a slight challenge though 2012-01-30 21:22 there are no counter measures against all the shit I know 2012-01-30 21:23 lindi-: indeed 2012-01-30 21:23 you should use a verya classical electric heat storage ofen for your sauna 2012-01-30 21:24 GNUtoo: I guess it'd be useful to figure out how often they send the information 2012-01-30 21:24 just use logs 2012-01-30 21:24 the wood ones. 2012-01-30 21:24 DocScrutinizer: hmm, i was thinking to include drones with hellfire missiles, just in case. but considering that you escaped relatively unscathed the last time they firebombed you, you may be right 2012-01-30 21:24 or simply exploit that fact that all those computerized electric counters don't use any auth and/or encryption 2012-01-30 21:25 most are GSM based afaik at least here 2012-01-30 21:25 lindi-: quite possible, they invent new crap every other week regarding that 2012-01-30 21:26 here most are powerline data 2012-01-30 21:26 or even plain DSL 2012-01-30 21:27 GSM is rather convenient to shield and fake though 2012-01-30 21:28 step one: create your own femtocell that accepts all SIM 2012-01-30 21:28 step two: intercept msg from counter 2012-01-30 21:28 step three: fake that msg while your counter is wrapped into tin foil 2012-01-30 21:29 easy as that. /join #osmocom ;-P 2012-01-30 21:31 I guess the power company will notice cheating eventually since they do have other ways to measure total consumption on some area too 2012-01-30 21:31 no, they don't 2012-01-30 21:33 quite usually things like trffic lights, lanterns, other municipal consumers, all have no meter at all, and are just billed by calculation based on power * hours-on 2012-01-30 21:33 OT: wpwrak: does tuxbrain's shop even work? 2012-01-30 21:33 then there are the inevitable losses on cables, transformers etc 2012-01-30 21:34 I made an order and he billed me for it, through it does not show up on the site itself 2012-01-30 21:34 wtf 2012-01-30 21:34 whitequark:last time it tried, about a year ago, it did. maybe send him a mail ? 2012-01-30 21:34 probably 2012-01-30 21:34 !seen tuxbrain 2012-01-30 21:34 whitequark, I found 6 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: tuxbrain_HxxHhzo, tuxbrain, tuxbrain_zzzzzz, tuxbrain_PASS, tuxbrain_WPAN. tuxbrain_HxxHhzo (~tuxbrain@95.61.34.233) was last seen quitting #milkymist 14 weeks 6 days 2 hours 6 minutes ago (18.10. 19:27) stating "Ping timeout: 256 seconds" after spending 23 hours there. 2012-01-30 21:35 whitequark: david@tuxbrain.com 2012-01-30 21:37 wpwrak: thanks, wrote him 2012-01-30 21:38 10k rur isn't a small amount :/ 2012-01-30 21:38 well, that's a friggin useful feature of that bot :-D 2012-01-30 21:39 DocScrutinizer: do you mean qi-bot or wpwrak? ;) 2012-01-30 21:39 wpwrak: evidently is no bot 2012-01-30 21:39 well, I heard there was some advanced AI research ongoing... 2012-01-30 21:40 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 21:53 ooops, s/FeTAP711/FeTAP791(?)/ 2012-01-30 21:55 the fools used an electronic unit counter built around a (iirc) uA741. Some genius managed to mess up circuit and routing in such a way the whole circuit oscillated @ ~90kHz, and since it been powered from a/b line, it of course been amplitude modulated -- XP 2012-01-30 21:55 http://www.wasser.de/telefon-alt/forum/forum-bilder/100000000004637-16-1163090032-g.jpg 2012-01-30 21:56 AFAIK the only phone that came with a eavesdrop transmitter by design 2012-01-30 21:57 with a standard allband radio you could receive the shitty phone via 10..20m 2012-01-30 21:58 with a tailored-to-teh-usecase receiver probably a few 100m distance feasible 2012-01-30 21:58 very popular in embassies and such ? 2012-01-30 21:58 I bet 2012-01-30 22:00 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 22:01 lol 2012-01-30 22:01 nowadays you got switched PSU that make for brilliant TX, though microphonic sensitivity might be a bit worse 2012-01-30 22:02 hmmm do you have more details on computer PSU? 2012-01-30 22:02 depends on the crap they used for "shielding" though, if any. And of course on your PCB and heatsinks 2012-01-30 22:02 ok 2012-01-30 22:02 anyway nowadays BIOSes have rootkit 2012-01-30 22:02 so... 2012-01-30 22:03 but again nothing prevent you from not running the BIOS] 2012-01-30 22:03 s#]## 2012-01-30 22:03 basically each microphoning MU metal sheet will detune the (parasitary) resonance circuits in PSU 2012-01-30 22:03 there is coreboot, lemote computers , embedded computer with a free botloader 2012-01-30 22:05 for mobile devices you don't need any GSM inside them - the ceramic capacitors will serve just fine for microphoning from PCB 2012-01-30 22:05 ok 2012-01-30 22:05 is there ceramic capacitors attached to the gta02 modem? 2012-01-30 22:06 *is there any 2012-01-30 22:06 guess what's happening to the 2MHz radiation of that kindle/whatever it creates from switched PSU for random power rail, when the buffer C is microphoning 2012-01-30 22:07 meh, you never dreamt of what's possible 2012-01-30 22:07 ouch 2012-01-30 22:07 * GNUtoo tried to run nutx-bb on the modem but failed 2012-01-30 22:15 wpwrak: aha tuxbrain replied. nice. 2012-01-30 22:16 :) 2012-01-30 22:22 DocScrutinizer: you're rather paranoid, aren't you? (I understand you, through) 2012-01-30 22:23 can you give some examples on what do you consider "private life details"? country? street address? phone number? etc. 2012-01-30 22:23 uwe_ [uwe_!~uwe_@dslb-088-066-186-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 22:23 ... everything? 2012-01-30 22:23 no, I'm not paranoid at all. I simply know what's (most likely, occasionally or frequently) going on, and I don't care anymore 2012-01-30 22:25 I don't disclose my addr, my marriage status, my age, my hobbies (except the obvious), my sexual orentation, my income, my phonenumber, my IP-addr, my... you name it 2012-01-30 22:25 like the story of the gnu person and the social security number 2012-01-30 22:26 that he kept it secret 2012-01-30 22:26 until some day, happened that all the people in his home town disclosed their numbers 2012-01-30 22:26 and the only one in the lists not disclosed was... his. 2012-01-30 22:27 silly story 2012-01-30 22:27 DocScrutinizer: by not disclosing you become suspicious 2012-01-30 22:27 You are the most suspicious in this channel for example 2012-01-30 22:27 yes 2012-01-30 22:27 I already heard that talk 2012-01-30 22:27 viric: nope, I took care to become suspicious long before disclosing privacy details became a teenage fools habit 2012-01-30 22:27 isn't it me that run coreboot, has a freerunner etc.... 2012-01-30 22:28 viric: you should listen to Frank Zappa / Joe's Garage, all the way to end of last record 2012-01-30 22:29 DocScrutinizer: and by "disclosing" do you mean doing it publicly? i.e. your domain registrar probably wants your street address and phonenumber 2012-01-30 22:29 only by being suspicious you can live in peace 2012-01-30 22:29 at least my one does 2012-01-30 22:29 wan't it a talk by eben moglen 2012-01-30 22:29 viric: sizing up the burial grounds your minions need for the great purge ? :) 2012-01-30 22:29 DocScrutinizer, that's not sufficient 2012-01-30 22:29 you need to be suspicious since you were born 2012-01-30 22:29 data retentions policies.... 2012-01-30 22:30 so you cannot hide anymore 2012-01-30 22:30 ^ that. 2012-01-30 22:30 because of what you did in the past 2012-01-30 22:30 also, not being a teenage fool at any point of your life helps, too 2012-01-30 22:30 nobody knows what I did in the past, I've spread so much red jerring stories 2012-01-30 22:31 whitequark: live safe, die very young ? ;-) 2012-01-30 22:31 you were working at openmoko 2012-01-30 22:31 are you sure? 2012-01-30 22:31 (for what you did in the past) 2012-01-30 22:31 lol 2012-01-30 22:31 I really think so 2012-01-30 22:31 I never had the chance to check if I'm doing anything suspicious 2012-01-30 22:31 viric: checking would be suspicious 2012-01-30 22:32 wpwrak: meh, I was talking about myself. social networks and stuff. my data still resides somewhere deep in their DC's, through most of it is not true already. 2012-01-30 22:32 viric: "officer, you don't have an arrest warrant for me, do you ?" 2012-01-30 22:32 :) 2012-01-30 22:32 wpwrak, not needed anymore in USA 2012-01-30 22:32 you just need to be suspicious to be emprisoned 2012-01-30 22:32 and tortured 2012-01-30 22:32 and such 2012-01-30 22:32 wpwrak: for that I got friends at police 2012-01-30 22:32 without a trial 2012-01-30 22:32 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@9.95.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-30 22:33 and of course I got account credentials 2012-01-30 22:33 GNUtoo: when the sheriff or the lynch mob pronounces you guilty, you damn well are 2012-01-30 22:33 of course. As politicians here say: First, social peace 2012-01-30 22:33 DocScrutinizer: do you use google search? then google probably knows your hobbies, your age (relatively precise), sexual orientation (same) and obviously IP address 2012-01-30 22:33 I wonder if that counts as "disclosing"? 2012-01-30 22:33 * GNUtoo prefers the ssherif 2012-01-30 22:34 whitequark: nope, they only *think* they know 2012-01-30 22:34 whitequark, do you know duck duck go? 2012-01-30 22:34 GNUtoo: yes 2012-01-30 22:34 ok 2012-01-30 22:34 DocScrutinizer: red herrings? 2012-01-30 22:34 it's not perfect tough 2012-01-30 22:34 ti could still spy on you 2012-01-30 22:34 *it 2012-01-30 22:34 DocScrutinizer: if everybody thinks they know you're having sex with ponies, does it matter if they really know ? ;-) 2012-01-30 22:35 GNUtoo: and I also use google maps on my android. because it's better to be tracked than to be lost and freeze to death. and I'm almost not kidding. 2012-01-30 22:35 I use navit 2012-01-30 22:35 it works quite well for me 2012-01-30 22:35 I don't know google maps 2012-01-30 22:35 (android) no google sync, through. except for maps and a few pieces of software I do relatively trust, I use only FOSS tools 2012-01-30 22:35 never really used 2012-01-30 22:35 whitequark, replicant? 2012-01-30 22:36 else you have non-free libs spying 2012-01-30 22:36 whitequark: my GPS once gave me a merry trip around tampere in mid-winter. i only found the way back to my hotel once i had sobered up a bit and the gps had run out of batteries. 2012-01-30 22:36 like recording your position all the time trough cell ID etc.... 2012-01-30 22:36 GNUtoo: google maps can route via public transport. I don't know if that does matter for your city, but it incredibly matters for Moscow and no other navigator I know can do that 2012-01-30 22:36 ok 2012-01-30 22:36 wpwrak: how did you find out about one of the at least 4 identities I created on google? :-D 2012-01-30 22:37 GNUtoo: (non-free libs) yes, there are some blobs. I consider that an acceptable risk, given that I already use GSM 2012-01-30 22:37 in fact google thinks 5 people living here, and we have parties all the time with a lot of *really* weird guests 2012-01-30 22:37 DocScrutinizer: wolfgang told me ;-) 2012-01-30 22:37 I bet most of them (GPU acceleration, similar ones) do not spy on me. some clearly do, but hey it's gsm anyway. it's in its design 2012-01-30 22:38 DocScrutinizer: and then you say you're not paranoid and do not care. heh. 2012-01-30 22:38 a freerunner doen't spy that much 2012-01-30 22:38 for instance it cannot record what you say while not in call 2012-01-30 22:38 at least in theory 2012-01-30 22:38 GNUtoo: yes, I know, I looked at its schematics, etc 2012-01-30 22:38 whitequark: that's correct. All this is automatism since decades, and I'm not the least concerned about it 2012-01-30 22:38 ok 2012-01-30 22:39 whitequark, what bother me is if the modem can fry the phone or not 2012-01-30 22:39 now I have to feed my pony, ttyl 2012-01-30 22:39 you have to pown your powny? 2012-01-30 22:39 GNUtoo: frying is obvious and definitely not spying 2012-01-30 22:39 ok 2012-01-30 22:39 DocScrutinizer: anyone trying to spy you, would bring you to a mental hospital 2012-01-30 22:40 but it's a denial of service that is unacceptable to me 2012-01-30 22:40 rather him XP 2012-01-30 22:40 whitequark, so is it possible to fry the main CPU part etc... too 2012-01-30 22:40 GNUtoo: cut the power trace to GSM in two. connect an external switch :D 2012-01-30 22:40 DocScrutinizer, addicted to hiding. 2012-01-30 22:40 I met those who tried, man those were douschebags 2012-01-30 22:41 whitequark, or I could try again to make nuttx-bb 2012-01-30 22:41 work 2012-01-30 22:41 DocScrutinizer: (automatism) seriously, that's why I call you paranoid (semi-seriously, through). I don't know any people who do even half of what do you do in order to protect their privacy 2012-01-30 22:41 GNUtoo: nuttx-bb? 2012-01-30 22:42 I guess you know osmocombb 2012-01-30 22:42 to fully replace the GSM firmware you need an os-like thing for microcontrollers 2012-01-30 22:42 yes 2012-01-30 22:42 and that is nuttx 2012-01-30 22:42 ah, got it 2012-01-30 22:42 DocScrutinizer: depending on what are you trying to hide, spending that effort in hiding may not be the most efficient way to go through life. :) 2012-01-30 22:43 why using the word hide in the first place 2012-01-30 22:43 not disclosuring would be better 2012-01-30 22:43 viric: just wait until you've seen Iron Sky ... 2012-01-30 22:43 because hide is negative 2012-01-30 22:44 GNUtoo: doing to google as if there were 5 guests at home can also be negative 2012-01-30 22:44 :) 2012-01-30 22:44 GNUtoo: just curious, can you still buy FR? does it community still live and deliver something usable? 2012-01-30 22:44 yes you can still buy it 2012-01-30 22:44 yes we're trying hard to keep it working fine 2012-01-30 22:44 and SHR is now more stable than before 2012-01-30 22:44 actually a friend can give me away one. he now owns an iPhone 2012-01-30 22:44 viric: each of those 5 people will seem to have 1/5 life. that'll stick out in any profile :) 2012-01-30 22:45 I also know someone I could buy a second freerunner from 2012-01-30 22:45 GNUtoo: SHR? 2012-01-30 22:45 a new distro 2012-01-30 22:45 based on enlightenment, openembedded and finger friendly 2012-01-30 22:45 wpwrak: are you underestimating DocScrutinizer ? :) 2012-01-30 22:45 at least for the main apps 2012-01-30 22:46 GNUtoo: (replicant) Hardware Freedom issues:Proprietary bootloader,The modem controls the sound,the GPS,and can read/write the main CPU memory,require firmwares for making phone call 2012-01-30 22:46 I imagine people wrote algorithms to detect behaviours like DocScrutinizer's :) 2012-01-30 22:46 whitequark, depend on the phone 2012-01-30 22:47 nexus S has only proprietary bootloader 2012-01-30 22:47 I wonder if they do that on purpose, or just out of laziness (pin count issues? I don't know for sure) 2012-01-30 22:47 althoug some have simpler algorithms: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/British-tourists-arrested-America-terror-charges-Twitter-jokes.html 2012-01-30 22:48 viric: this one is going viral :) 2012-01-30 22:48 viric: it's enough to write an algorithm which detects ordinary people, and then closely examine everyone which does not conforms 2012-01-30 22:48 wpwrak: I took it from the main press 2012-01-30 22:49 viric: yes, that one's the first source 2012-01-30 22:49 then there are people like DocScrutinizer that even get hired to look for that same kind of people :) 2012-01-30 22:49 maybe they just took tourist for terrorist 2012-01-30 22:50 like in I don't remember which james bond 2012-01-30 22:50 wpwrak: I don't get where did the officials pick the 'tweet' from 2012-01-30 22:50 anyway social networks are spied a lot 2012-01-30 22:50 GNUtoo: this happened to me 2012-01-30 22:50 what happened exactly? 2012-01-30 22:51 two black men, when I left work, asked me: what is this building? 2012-01-30 22:51 in bad english 2012-01-30 22:51 and I replied in English: "are you tourists"? 2012-01-30 22:51 and they said: no no no. No terrorists. Osama bin laden is dead. 2012-01-30 22:51 lol ouch 2012-01-30 22:51 did they get arrested? 2012-01-30 22:51 :D 2012-01-30 22:51 no no 2012-01-30 22:51 it was just them with a map, and me on the bike 2012-01-30 22:52 viric: nope, my behaviour isn't deterministic in whatever way, so no way to write an algo to track it 2012-01-30 22:53 DocScrutinizer: how can you be both paranoid and optimist? ;) 2012-01-30 22:53 basically they never got the link between 'me' and 'my digital identity' 2012-01-30 22:53 because maybe he's not paranoid 2012-01-30 22:53 he's realist 2012-01-30 22:53 viric: toldya I'm not at all paranoid 2012-01-30 22:53 paranoids is for people not knowing what the technology can do 2012-01-30 22:53 ok ok 2012-01-30 22:54 I just take fun out of fooling idiots that think they are smarter than me 2012-01-30 22:54 then there is the reality which is very bad 2012-01-30 22:54 It just looks to me that DocScrutinizer takes a reasonable effort in all that. 2012-01-30 22:54 GNUtoo: with all the "modem pwns your phone" stuff I don't see any sense in replicant. almost no actual advantage over plain AOSP 2012-01-30 22:54 DocScrutinizer: but maybe you are as used to that as I use my windowmanger... so... 2012-01-30 22:55 whitequark, plain aosp just doesn't work 2012-01-30 22:55 plain aosp don't give you the lib to talk to the samsung modem 2012-01-30 22:55 in the case of nexus S 2012-01-30 22:55 GNUtoo: by "plain AOSP" I meant CM 2012-01-30 22:55 same 2012-01-30 22:55 works on SGS2 2012-01-30 22:55 they don't reverse some stuff 2012-01-30 22:55 yes, I know--it's AOSP with blobs 2012-01-30 22:55 they reverse some other stuff tough 2012-01-30 22:55 like camera 2012-01-30 22:56 ... because there are no blobs for ICS, yes 2012-01-30 22:56 but if they can't reverse they ship blpbs 2012-01-30 22:56 *blobs 2012-01-30 22:56 I know 2012-01-30 22:56 if we can't reverse we don't ship the blob 2012-01-30 22:56