2012-01-29 00:00 GNUtoo: ublox antaris 4 2012-01-29 00:00 ok 2012-01-29 00:00 is it an ARM soc? 2012-01-29 00:00 yes, I've run code inside it 2012-01-29 00:00 wow!!!!! 2012-01-29 00:00 I tought you patched 1 byte of it 2012-01-29 00:00 *g* 2012-01-29 00:00 yes that was what I published 2012-01-29 00:00 to enable complete traces 2012-01-29 00:00 ok 2012-01-29 00:00 I can't actually distribute patches to non-free firmware :/ 2012-01-29 00:01 ok 2012-01-29 00:01 but I hope a single byte can't be infridgement 2012-01-29 00:01 anyways, ublox offered an SDK years ago for developing third-party software to run on the GPS chip 2012-01-29 00:01 imagine a freerunner with osmocombb on top of nuttx-bb + a free GPS firmware....that would be awesome 2012-01-29 00:02 GNUtoo: if you reverse eng the firmware run inside the bcm4751 soc, that will be very awesome ! 2012-01-29 00:02 here are some links http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/GPS_Free_Stack/Web_Links 2012-01-29 00:02 very messy tought.. 2012-01-29 00:02 GNUtoo: can you motivate some people to hack on Milkymist One and join kristianpaul's free GPS baseband project? that'd be awesome too! :-) 2012-01-29 00:03 does milkymist one have any external antenna? 2012-01-29 00:03 internal gps antenna won't make RTK possible 2012-01-29 00:03 but if you have more information about this bcm i can try help/point sopmething 2012-01-29 00:03 lindi-_: mine does :) 2012-01-29 00:04 GNUtoo: you want to calculate fix on the CPU? get a port of osgps for your OM, and try to hookup a gps receiver 2012-01-29 00:04 ok 2012-01-29 00:04 gps receivr IF, like those from SigE or Maxim 2012-01-29 00:05 but you alredy said no to hack the firmware/arm cortex part of this bcm4751, too bad :( 2012-01-29 00:06 I would prefer to hack the GPS firmware of the freerunner.... 2012-01-29 00:06 but lindi-_ already did it no? 2012-01-29 00:06 calculate fix using rtklib 2012-01-29 00:06 ah ok 2012-01-29 00:06 from navigation data provided from the ublox chip 2012-01-29 00:06 ok 2012-01-29 00:06 right?? 2012-01-29 00:07 hack the bcm4751 is more interesting because you still chance to implement basebadn 2012-01-29 00:07 jsut as wolfspraul said, thats what we are working on 2012-01-29 00:08 must go, need go grocery store 2012-01-29 00:08 ok 2012-01-29 00:08 I must go to sleep btw 2012-01-29 00:08 sure ,) 2012-01-29 00:09 bye 2012-01-29 00:09 cu 2012-01-29 00:09 MAX2769 -> OM 2012-01-29 00:09 the OM calculate in real time a fix :) 2012-01-29 00:09 osgps does it 2012-01-29 00:09 not hard ! 2012-01-29 00:09 ;) 2012-01-29 00:10 well missing real time part, but still way to go most in software 2012-01-29 00:10 baseband moves just to software 2012-01-29 00:10 not HDL and Software like ours currently 2012-01-29 00:10 dunno who will go faster 2012-01-29 00:10 ok by GNUtoo !! 2012-01-29 00:10 bye 2012-01-29 00:51 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@117.188.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 01:25 Openfree` [Openfree`!~Openfreer@116.228.88.131] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 01:36 orsonzhai [orsonzhai!~zhai@1.202.15.210] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 01:37 kristianpaul: my guess is that we will combine stuff more and more to have 'multiple purpose cpus' which have the abilities of a gpu, a cpu, and a vector cpu (e.g. dsp stuff) 2012-01-29 01:37 the arm vector calculation stuff could make sense for such stuff... dunno exactly what kind of math is needed 2012-01-29 01:41 math is fft in parallel for signal acquisition and tracking 2012-01-29 01:42 later fix i resolve a matrix dont remenber of wich dimensions 2012-01-29 01:42 talking about a full software aprouch 2012-01-29 01:44 well ignore full, we still using IF :) 2012-01-29 02:05 Openfree` [Openfree`!~Openfreer@116.228.88.131] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 02:42 panda|x201 [panda|x201!~hzhang@125.33.178.168] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 02:51 orsonzhai [orsonzhai!~zhai@1.202.15.210] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 03:03 kyak [kyak!~kyak@95-24-99-235.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 03:03 kyak [kyak!~kyak@unaffiliated/kyak] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 03:05 qi-bot [qi-bot!~qi-bot@turandot.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 05:29 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 05:43 xakh [xakh!~xakh@ip040069.nat.marshall.edu] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 05:43 2 2012-01-29 05:43 wait 2012-01-29 05:43 crapppp 2012-01-29 05:45 that new feature of qi-bot of sucking the life force out of any newcomers joining the channel seems to work :) 2012-01-29 05:54 xakh [xakh!~xakh@ip040069.nat.marshall.edu] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 05:55 hey 2012-01-29 05:55 I lost the little rubber light thing 2012-01-29 05:55 is there a way to buy a new one? 2012-01-29 05:56 oh wow, sorry about how stupid that sounded. 2012-01-29 05:56 okay. 2012-01-29 05:57 On my nanonote, my girlfriend helped me take it apart, because for the past two years, there's been a piece of graphite lunking around in there. 2012-01-29 05:57 it hadn't bugged me much 2012-01-29 05:57 but suddenly, the graphite moved up and shorted out the board. 2012-01-29 05:58 so, she helped me open up the case, and the thing fell out, eventually (it was stuck UP there), and we got it out 2012-01-29 05:59 when it was put back together, the little rubber piece of plastic that covers the LED 2012-01-29 05:59 was gone, and we can't find i. 2012-01-29 05:59 *it. 2012-01-29 05:59 I know it functions fine without it, but at the same time I worry about dust, fuzz, etc getting in there. 2012-01-29 06:00 so is there a way for me to buy a new rubber piece for the light? 2012-01-29 06:00 also, is there a way for me to buy qi-hardware stickers? 2012-01-29 06:00 because you guys have the neatest logos. 2012-01-29 06:01 like, I'm specifically looking for the Ben symbol in a circle, like what it has when it boots. 2012-01-29 06:01 because that looks killer. 2012-01-29 06:02 hm, you'll have to wait for wolfgang for an official replacement and stickers 2012-01-29 06:02 alrighty 2012-01-29 06:02 a quick fix for the led rubber would be with transparent silicone 2012-01-29 06:03 just put a drop there, then shape it with your finger and swipe off the excess material 2012-01-29 06:03 ....where would I get that? 2012-01-29 06:03 silicone can be shaped easily if you wet the finger (or other tool) with isopropyl alcohol 2012-01-29 06:04 hmm. any place that has plumbing supplies should have silicone 2012-01-29 06:04 ah alright 2012-01-29 06:04 hardware store, etc. 2012-01-29 06:05 well, still, I always like to support you guys, and buying one from you guys would be preferable 2012-01-29 06:05 or the big supermarkets where you can get all sort of DIY thing 2012-01-29 06:05 also, if I get one of those, there's a damn good chance I'm gonna gum up my nn 2012-01-29 06:05 silicone is easily removed :) 2012-01-29 06:06 it's a pretty neat material for little DIY jobs 2012-01-29 06:06 well, and you can seal your bathroom with it, etc. ;-) 2012-01-29 06:06 also, is there a place in the US that sells the atben stuff? because I feel like the shipping from tuxbrain is going to be huge 2012-01-29 06:06 well, like I used to use Sugru with stuff, is it like that? 2012-01-29 06:06 i don't know. the only ones i've heard of are tuxbrain and pulster 2012-01-29 06:07 yes, like sugru but more liquid 2012-01-29 06:07 actually, until today, Sugru was what made up the little feet on my nanonote 2012-01-29 06:07 hehe ;-) 2012-01-29 06:07 but it was in the way of a screw, so they had to go 2012-01-29 06:08 yeah, a tinkerer's device should not hide the screwd under rubber feet. instead, it should show them with pride ! :) 2012-01-29 06:09 indeed 2012-01-29 06:09 i think sugru is actually based on silicone. they just made it a bit tougher. 2012-01-29 06:09 yeah, I think so too 2012-01-29 06:10 next time I get some more sugru though I'm making some new feet 2012-01-29 06:11 you can probably also use silicone for that. cheaper :) 2012-01-29 06:12 silicone comes in colors. transparent, white, and black should be easy to get. but maybe you have a much larger choice. 2012-01-29 06:14 true, but silicone doesn't dry into as frictional a surface, like my nanonote wouldn't slide down a slanted surface, at all 2012-01-29 06:15 I had a plastic repair kit somewhere 2012-01-29 06:15 that I think was silicone based 2012-01-29 06:15 and it was really smooth 2012-01-29 06:17 silicone has a rubberish texture 2012-01-29 06:18 so i think it should be fine for feet. but you can just try whether it works. it's not expensive. 2012-01-29 06:19 there's also a stronger variant, polyurethane. that's a bit trickier to handle, though. and you won't get it off things as easily :) 2012-01-29 06:20 ahh 2012-01-29 06:20 yeah 2012-01-29 06:20 also though, still wanna buy stickers 2012-01-29 06:20 and maybe an atben thing, but that's for tuxbrain 2012-01-29 06:21 (stickers) yeah, they probably don't have these at the DIY store :) 2012-01-29 06:21 ah, maybe wolfgang can also sell atben/atusb. i think he once thought about it. but i'm not sure if anything came out of it. 2012-01-29 06:22 that's no big deal, I gotta figure out how to afford one, but other than that I'm fine 2012-01-29 06:30 but either way, should I just shoot a message to the mailing list? 2012-01-29 06:35 yeah, why not. or hang our here until wolfgang shows up. 2012-01-29 06:35 alrighty, sounds good! 2012-01-29 06:36 i think he's still in germany. it's 07:35 there. may take a few more hours :) 2012-01-29 06:37 ahh alright 2012-01-29 06:37 man, that guy's a globetrotter. 2012-01-29 06:37 where does he actually live 2012-01-29 06:37 ? 2012-01-29 06:38 in beijing 2012-01-29 06:39 ahh alright 2012-01-29 06:39 the name wolfgang threw me 2012-01-29 06:39 or is it a handle? 2012-01-29 06:41 no, he's german. beihin is just the place he chose to live at for now 2012-01-29 06:41 s/beihin/beijing/ 2012-01-29 06:41 wpwrak meant: "no, he's german. beijing is just the place he chose to live at for now" 2012-01-29 06:42 haha, that's an awesome bot. 2012-01-29 06:43 dang it, he had a cool website, I was just on 2012-01-29 06:44 but I forgot it. 2012-01-29 06:48 you have any idea where to find it? 2012-01-29 06:49 oh wait no 2012-01-29 06:49 that was xiangfu. 2012-01-29 06:50 dunno why I thought it was wolfgang, I guess I always just lump those guys together, since I always talked to them together or something. 2012-01-29 07:17 kudkudyak [kudkudyak!~sun@94.72.140.37] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 07:26 Jon Phillips: Via @qihardware qihardware: Check out the pic of the next revision of milkymist with LEDs on the ports... http://t.c... http://t.co/by0tcAVv ( 163523118986567680@rejon - 37s ago via Ping.fm ) 2012-01-29 07:37 xakh: hi good morning 2012-01-29 07:38 I was planning to make exactly those round Ben stickers, but as of today I don't have them yet 2012-01-29 07:39 hi wolf! 2012-01-29 07:39 yay! 2012-01-29 07:39 those sound amazing. 2012-01-29 07:39 and I don't have these tiny led covers either, though maybe I can take one from a damaged unit 2012-01-29 07:39 kudkudyak [kudkudyak!~sun@94.72.140.37] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 07:39 that's Jon's design, he will like you liking them :-) 2012-01-29 07:40 I love those. 2012-01-29 07:40 does anyone know more about http://www.elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture 2012-01-29 07:40 roh was asking in #milkymist, but I thought I ask here too 2012-01-29 07:41 I know a bit about compactFlash cards, but that's it. 2012-01-29 07:41 valhalla_ [valhalla_!~valhalla@81-174-22-239.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 07:41 I know that's not really helpful 2012-01-29 07:41 but it's what I know 2012-01-29 07:46 so why are you talking about the EOM? 2012-01-29 07:46 just looked at it because roh was asking 2012-01-29 07:47 ah ok 2012-01-29 07:56 xakh: where are you located? 2012-01-29 07:57 I will definitely remember you when I have the round Ben stickers, although it may take a while 2012-01-29 08:08 Ornoterm1s [Ornoterm1s!~rikard@78-69-248-123-no180.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:09 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@leased-line-46-53-195-130.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:14 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:18 I'm in the US 2012-01-29 08:18 sorry for the late response 2012-01-29 08:18 that's fine, I'm happy to get them any time 2012-01-29 08:33 pabs3 [pabs3!~pabs@d122-109-116-106.per801.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:36 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::313] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:43 nickoe [nickoe!~nickoe@91.150.229.252] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 08:44 Hi wpwrak, how do you make a footprint, with pads that is not only rectangular or with rounded corners? I get an error if I try to make two pads overlap. 2012-01-29 08:44 I am talking about fped. 2012-01-29 08:58 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:00 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::313] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:07 valhalla [valhalla!~valhalla@81-174-22-63.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:08 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AA963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:09 orsonzhai [orsonzhai!~zhai@1.202.15.210] has quit [#qi-hardware] 2012-01-29 09:10 orsonzhai [orsonzhai!~zhai@1.202.15.210] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:13 panda|x201 [panda|x201!~hzhang@125.33.178.168] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:23 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AA963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:34 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AA963.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 09:52 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::313] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 10:46 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 10:57 methril [methril!~methril@188.141.121.132] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 11:05 morn 2012-01-29 11:06 morning 2012-01-29 11:14 jluis [jluis!~jluis@2001:5c0:1400:a::313] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 11:19 good morning 2012-01-29 11:19 methril: how is life in Brazil? (you are there, right?) 2012-01-29 11:21 wolfspraul: i'm not in brazil right now 2012-01-29 11:21 wolfspraul: this why i've been missing 2012-01-29 11:21 wolfspraul: i'm back to Europe (Ireland) 2012-01-29 11:23 ahh :-) 2012-01-29 11:23 but... returning to Brazil soon? 2012-01-29 11:24 I hope you follow Qi and Milkymist still :-) 2012-01-29 11:24 we are on a collective learning experience I feel 2012-01-29 11:24 i moved to Ireland, i'm not going to return to Brazil for living 2012-01-29 11:25 i follow Qi and Milkymist 2012-01-29 11:25 so you've been missing Ireland? 2012-01-29 11:25 how did it go in Brazil? 2012-01-29 11:25 I didn't know you moved back, haven't seen any blog posts from you in a while 2012-01-29 11:26 yes i know, i've been lazy about updating the blog 2012-01-29 11:26 i received a good offer here and i accepted 2012-01-29 11:27 i'm planning to do a post, but i would like to have time to work on something interesting before putting something in the blog 2012-01-29 11:33 what was your experience in Brazil overall? 2012-01-29 11:33 how about foss there? 2012-01-29 11:38 got another goodie for you, hope the mail will come thru (related to crowbar discussion yesterday) 2012-01-29 11:39 the FOSS dev is not really bad. I think that a lot of companies use FOSS developments, but it didn't differ so much from Euroope 2012-01-29 11:40 IMHO the companies use FOSS for their own benefit, and they only share the code when they are forced to do it 2012-01-29 11:40 BTW i enjoy living in Brazil. Was a nice experience 2012-01-29 11:41 now moving to Ireland in winter... :-/ 2012-01-29 11:41 hope you are a snow lover 2012-01-29 11:42 I hate it 2012-01-29 11:42 DocScrutinizer: no snow in Ireland 2012-01-29 11:42 sure, but still nasty weather 2012-01-29 11:42 only rain... rain..... and more rain 2012-01-29 11:42 * methril nods 2012-01-29 11:42 like in whole Europe this year 2012-01-29 11:43 winter got cancelled this year, we got a 6 months of november 2012-01-29 11:43 i prefer Spain weather, but... my new work was in Ireland ;) 2012-01-29 11:43 global warming \o/ 2012-01-29 11:43 lol 2012-01-29 11:44 yeah, "winter" at costa de la luz is really really bearable :-D 2012-01-29 11:45 but Europe is small compared to Brazil 2012-01-29 11:45 and the flights are cheaper 2012-01-29 11:45 o.O 2012-01-29 11:47 small? 2012-01-29 11:47 yes, the countries in Europe are "small" 2012-01-29 11:47 sigma-Europe not so much 2012-01-29 11:48 interesting 2012-01-29 11:48 so what is your new work about? foss-friendly company? 2012-01-29 11:48 I think it's about 10.000km from upper north down to gibraltar or greece 2012-01-29 11:48 not so much foss-friendly 2012-01-29 11:48 this is the pitty 2012-01-29 11:48 I am quite pleased how the NanoNote and Milkymist are chugging along, though we still need some luck in reaching critical mass and making a real hit product 2012-01-29 11:49 is a Processing Image company 2012-01-29 11:49 if you have any input/feedback, please holler, we need to hear it 2012-01-29 11:49 if you're counting Melilla of Spain to Europe then it's probably even more ;-D 2012-01-29 11:49 DocScrutinizer: but they are different countries 2012-01-29 11:49 Brazil is only one 2012-01-29 11:49 sure 2012-01-29 11:50 Greece is quite a bit different nowadays ;-P 2012-01-29 11:50 anyway, Europe has other things that Brazil doesn't have 2012-01-29 11:50 i didn't know Greece yet 2012-01-29 11:50 * DocScrutinizer neither 2012-01-29 11:51 it's with the 50% European countries I haven't visited yet 2012-01-29 11:51 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@9.95.112.78.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 11:52 that might cure soon without me taking any action ;-P 2012-01-29 11:52 yes, there are a lot of counties i haven' visited also 2012-01-29 11:52 what kind of action? 2012-01-29 11:52 none 2012-01-29 11:52 it's going to simply be no member of EU soon 2012-01-29 11:53 maybe 2012-01-29 11:53 not really 2012-01-29 11:53 i also think Spain is in a bad situation 2012-01-29 11:54 yeah, internally sure. But not that much regarding their credibility 2012-01-29 11:54 ireland too 2012-01-29 11:54 yes, ireland too 2012-01-29 11:54 ireland already recovers I rhink 2012-01-29 11:54 i also think ireland recovers 2012-01-29 11:55 once we nuke Standar&Poors with a cruise missile, our problems here are mostly solved ;-P 2012-01-29 11:56 but wait, that's the American Way to solve problems 2012-01-29 11:56 Germany is ok, isn't it? 2012-01-29 11:56 mosly 2012-01-29 11:56 mostly, yeah 2012-01-29 11:57 germany is the big winner of the whole crisis 2012-01-29 11:57 paying more than we have for saving other countries 2012-01-29 11:57 german government bonds have negative interest 2012-01-29 11:57 i.e. banks pay money so can lend money to the german state 2012-01-29 11:58 larsc: this will change in no time, once Greece needs triple the money they asked for now 2012-01-29 11:58 and Italy joins in 2012-01-29 11:59 don't think so 2012-01-29 12:00 if Greece goes out of European Union, how are they going to force to pay? They don't have political/economic way of pressure 2012-01-29 12:01 Germany can't sustain their brilliant export rates when other countries in EU don't want to buy expensive stuff anymore from us. Same time we can't refuse to help stop anarchy from state bankrupt in Greece and other countries, so we HAVE to pay LOTS 2012-01-29 12:02 this is not about money but control 2012-01-29 12:02 or lack thereof, in *all* governments 2012-01-29 12:03 it's already the big biz that rules, and did so for some decades now 2012-01-29 12:04 big OT in qi-hw \o/ 2012-01-29 12:04 "Money is a gas" 2012-01-29 12:04 money is the gas 2012-01-29 12:04 if you don't have money, you have no global pressence 2012-01-29 12:05 (OT) well, according to my own IRC rules that are loosely inspired by freenode's rules, there's no such thing like OT until somebody shouts "OT!!" 2012-01-29 12:06 hehehe 2012-01-29 12:06 the very moment somebody does, I'll enforce going on topic again on any chan I got +o 2012-01-29 12:08 DocScrutinizer: you could jump some rules today ,) 2012-01-29 12:09 ;) 2012-01-29 12:09 * DocScrutinizer considers adopting the practice to insert a ====================== 8X (cut here) ====================== line when doing so, for the convenience of users reading thru their backscroll 2012-01-29 12:09 methril: I haven't heard a serious complaint yet 2012-01-29 12:10 neither osme user trying to get thru with a on-topic question 2012-01-29 12:10 which would trigger same procedure 2012-01-29 12:10 well, what are you working on? 2012-01-29 12:10 me? 2012-01-29 12:11 yes 2012-01-29 12:11 please rephrase the question 2012-01-29 12:11 I'm always working on a lot of things :-D 2012-01-29 12:11 ok, i know 2012-01-29 12:12 i was you doing a lot of hw hacks 2012-01-29 12:12 s/was/saw 2012-01-29 12:12 methril meant: "i saw you doing a lot of hw hacks" 2012-01-29 12:12 just posted a suggestion supplement to the crowbar idea of yesterday 2012-01-29 12:13 I have been out for 2/3 months 2012-01-29 12:13 this is why i'm asking 2012-01-29 12:14 I bet wolfspraul or wpwrak can share a pipermail URL to the relevant thread on mikymist ML 2012-01-29 12:14 (I'm not even sure my reply to wpwrak 's post made it to the ML. Probably "pending approval") 2012-01-29 12:15 not a representative topic regarding what happened last 3 months here though 2012-01-29 12:15 I'm not very active here, just helping a bit every other month 2012-01-29 12:16 usually on request 2012-01-29 12:17 got a time demanding daywork since 2 months now - building STE's LTE modems 2012-01-29 12:18 or rather: getting used to such crap like winXP, ClearCase, similar abominations 2012-01-29 12:18 :-S 2012-01-29 12:18 actually I started "productive work" last Monday 2012-01-29 12:19 already contributed an awesome ~30 lines of code, to fix an prio:low internal ticket 2012-01-29 12:20 thanks to 4 days studying code and mainly c&p "editing" they were almost initially bugfree \o/ 2012-01-29 12:21 actual implementation took only 2 hours, after those 4 days of code study 2012-01-29 12:21 incl fixing the one typo (missing ";") and test 2012-01-29 12:24 DocScrutinizer: you are working still on GTA0X devices? 2012-01-29 12:24 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-120749.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-29 12:25 well, I try to help with goldelico's GTA04, but again there's much reluctance to consider my concerns and suggestions 2012-01-29 12:26 and poor communication/workflow-integration (I got no access to mist recent schematics for example) 2012-01-29 12:26 i though GTA04 was "open" in dev 2012-01-29 12:26 i didn't follow the ml for months (more than 3) 2012-01-29 12:26 and i read something about it the last week 2012-01-29 12:27 methril: is your Milkymist One in Ireland now? 2012-01-29 12:27 or went MIA somewhere? 2012-01-29 12:27 yeah sure, the Eagle professional project files are probably available - I'm not going to buy Eagle-Pro to do some voluntary edits or just look at schematics 2012-01-29 12:27 wolfspraul: is in Ireland 2012-01-29 12:28 this is why KiCAD could help on this 2012-01-29 12:28 yes we plan some heavy KiCad action for M1 soon, and Joerg's input will be very much appreciated 2012-01-29 12:28 the "fun" part is the constant deja-vu I got with GTA04 - reproducing all the mistakes and misconceptions we did on GTA02 before 2012-01-29 12:28 wolfspraul: any Ya plans in the near future? 2012-01-29 12:28 no, not near future 2012-01-29 12:29 that would require Ingenic to become more active which so far has not been happening 2012-01-29 12:29 so I power forward with Milkymist One instead, eventually these things should merge anyway 2012-01-29 12:29 the pity is not hearing people that knows about those mistakes 2012-01-29 12:29 they don't want to hear, need to be so blunt 2012-01-29 12:30 recently they noticed their modem doesn't power down on system shutdown - OMG 2012-01-29 12:30 their speed is let's say 10,000 times too slow 2012-01-29 12:30 audio section messed up it even beats GTA02 in that regard 2012-01-29 12:30 it looks every uP is trying to put Android on int 2012-01-29 12:30 it's like 3 snails trying to jump on a 250km/h high-speed train 2012-01-29 12:30 lol 2012-01-29 12:30 fun to watch though how they stand on the bridge planning :-) 2012-01-29 12:32 well, Nikolaus managed to produce a rev3 PCB that already works better than any of OM's GTA01 ever did ;-P 2012-01-29 12:32 DocScrutinizer: they cannot process your input because the ultimate realization would be that their entire trajectory is mission impossible 2012-01-29 12:32 * DocScrutinizer tends to agree to some degree 2012-01-29 12:32 fine then, he will have another 1000 things ahead of him, if each takes him let's say 2 months, that's 2000 months that's ... 2012-01-29 12:33 166 years 2012-01-29 12:33 :nod: 2012-01-29 12:34 the nice part is this isn't planned as any commercial success (almost wrote "sucksess" ;-D) 2012-01-29 12:34 this is why are so expensive 2012-01-29 12:34 sure 2012-01-29 12:34 i prefer to spend my money in other "toys" 2012-01-29 12:34 OM did PV's of higer volume than what doldelico plans for first sales batch 2012-01-29 12:34 that could work 2012-01-29 12:35 methril: the issues go far far deeper 2012-01-29 12:35 so much that it's just silly to even discuss 2012-01-29 12:35 Joerg knows what I mean 2012-01-29 12:35 yep 2012-01-29 12:35 we cannot break this down to a 10 minute irc chat 2012-01-29 12:35 still I like to help 2012-01-29 12:35 :-D 2012-01-29 12:35 Joerg has what... 30 years industry experience? 2012-01-29 12:35 i understand 2012-01-29 12:35 umm, only passive 2012-01-29 12:36 I have 5 (in hardware). I know nothing, but at least I get up every morning beating myself into shape to learn more that day, why the damn things are not working out. 2012-01-29 12:36 my industry experience always been "on your side of the monitor" 2012-01-29 12:36 i don't think you have only passive, i know you are a really good engineer 2012-01-29 12:36 yes but hardware is very subtle on the cost and time dimension 2012-01-29 12:37 i saw your fixes and ideas on e-mails 2012-01-29 12:37 sure, but that'S not related to "industry" 2012-01-29 12:37 so just watching for a number of years, with a fresh mind, will already be good 2012-01-29 12:37 i lear from both of you :) 2012-01-29 12:37 I'm a newbie 2012-01-29 12:37 I remember sitting still for hours though watching the FreeRunner assembly line 2012-01-29 12:37 if you are a newbie.... i have no words for me lol 2012-01-29 12:37 that was so painful 2012-01-29 12:38 I'm closely watching what my EE and chip brewer colleagues did last 40 years 2012-01-29 12:38 I see all these things going on, and I can't believe what I see. 2012-01-29 12:38 the industry changed a lot... 2012-01-29 12:38 i think it evolves really fast 2012-01-29 12:38 that's why I'm good (maybe) - I never got limited to one narrow topic 2012-01-29 12:38 but it was reality, so I kept digging deeper 2012-01-29 12:38 anyway, I do wish gta04 luck 2012-01-29 12:39 i also wish luck 2012-01-29 12:39 btw, who is getting good steps is Harald with the Osmocon project 2012-01-29 12:39 maybe we can work together one day? don't know. probably not, since their thinking seems really stuck. 2012-01-29 12:39 they need a miracle! :-) 2012-01-29 12:39 oh sure, can't even compare 2012-01-29 12:39 well, realistically comparing it to e.g. pandora, goldelico doesn't perform bad at all 2012-01-29 12:39 those are building blocks for the future 2012-01-29 12:39 ha ha 2012-01-29 12:39 yes 2012-01-29 12:39 I agree 2012-01-29 12:39 :-) 2012-01-29 12:40 but if that's all that open hardware could ever be, i would happily use my iphone and be in another industry 2012-01-29 12:40 hah 2012-01-29 12:40 preaching to the choir 2012-01-29 12:40 this is true, the Open Hardware industry didn't reach the mass 2012-01-29 12:40 it will 2012-01-29 12:41 in my opinion that's a matter of understanding the process better (design and manufacturing and qa and...) and getting the economics right 2012-01-29 12:42 the last part is what goes some project to a no way end... so it's important 2012-01-29 12:42 many projects seem to be caught in a hero complex 2012-01-29 12:42 they want to be heroes, hero designers, etc. the genius who created xyz 2012-01-29 12:42 sadly open hardware is still highly imperfect 2012-01-29 12:43 such as most devices using SD ports 2012-01-29 12:43 ... 2012-01-29 12:43 but hardware in my opinion is about manufacturing economically, serving customers with actual physical goods 2012-01-29 12:43 drm infested storage.... wth... 2012-01-29 12:43 that won't win you any hero award 2012-01-29 12:43 whats up with your obsesion of fame? 2012-01-29 12:44 it depends, for me the technical guys like lekernel, DocScrutinizer, larsc, you ... are almost heroes ;) 2012-01-29 12:44 OT: you think it's a good thing to be early adopter and get @. ? Believe me it's not, all the idiots misspell their own email addr .@. :-(( 2012-01-29 12:44 trollathon in here this morning 2012-01-29 12:44 bye for now 2012-01-29 12:44