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IPv6 outage. afther that I've switched to plain old IPv4 2012-01-17 09:52 address line, of course :) but it 2012-01-17 09:52 I'll refill these gaps 2012-01-17 09:53 the search output, hm 2012-01-17 09:53 that's a good suggestion 2012-01-17 09:53 can you write an issue on github so I don't forget it? 2012-01-17 09:53 i can do this 2012-01-17 09:53 thanks 2012-01-17 09:53 (Search) yes, it is important 2012-01-17 09:54 that's why I am maintaining a rather large index and a huge mysql runtime 2012-01-17 09:54 yep, the search (speed) is great 2012-01-17 09:54 it also has modifiers like "and" and stuff 2012-01-17 09:55 and it's better than "just Google" in this case 2012-01-17 09:56 can i apply time constraints to a search? i.e. search within specific time range 2012-01-17 09:56 hm 2012-01-17 09:56 I think no 2012-01-17 09:57 any ideas for an interface for this? 2012-01-17 09:57 DB is indexed by both timestamp and text (obviously) 2012-01-17 09:57 maybe introduce some special word for that 2012-01-17 09:58 from the other hand, this would increase comlexity for nothing.. 2012-01-17 09:58 that'd interfere with the plain querying, won't it? 2012-01-17 09:58 yes, and that too 2012-01-17 09:58 "and" and friends are quite obvious 2012-01-17 09:58 don't bother :) 2012-01-17 09:58 you already have that in google 2012-01-17 09:58 I'm not afraid of complexity 2012-01-17 09:59 the logger is, I dunno, like 200 lines of code 2012-01-17 09:59 and maybe the same for logging bot 2012-01-17 09:59 s,logger,log viewer, 2012-01-17 09:59 ruby is similar to perl in the amount of code, but quite dissimilar for its readability ;) 2012-01-17 09:59 the best thing is that the author (you) is interested in this project.. Unlike the author of current irc logs web interface 2012-01-17 10:00 i just submitted the issue btw :) 2012-01-17 10:00 that's because the current logger is written in python 2012-01-17 10:00 :) 2012-01-17 10:01 that's why I won't be a migen contributor 2012-01-17 10:01 user, maybne 2012-01-17 10:01 but not a contributor 2012-01-17 10:01 *maybe 2012-01-17 10:01 i see you didn't specify any well-known license for irclogger - did you do this for a reason? 2012-01-17 10:02 nope, just a usual attention deficit 2012-01-17 10:02 it is MIT 2012-01-17 10:02 I'll add the LICENSE when I'll get to that 2012-01-17 10:02 maybe a few days 2012-01-17 10:04 as per the time range, I think I may add "extended search" 2012-01-17 10:04 with two fields 2012-01-17 10:05 or maybe do it google way 2012-01-17 10:05 "last 24 hours", "last month" etc :) 2012-01-17 10:05 hm 2012-01-17 10:06 maybe 2012-01-17 10:06 wolfspraul: any ideas on this? what's more convenient? 2012-01-17 10:07 I need to use it and compare for a while, don't know now 2012-01-17 10:08 ok 2012-01-17 10:08 I'll do both variants 2012-01-17 10:09 whitequark: another thing we already had discussion about here is what to log. Many were concerned by joins/parts/quits being logged, as it reveals the host name 2012-01-17 10:09 i think the decision was only to log public chat 2012-01-17 10:10 kyak: it's public 2012-01-17 10:11 anyone can join and see the hostnames 2012-01-17 10:11 /who, etc. 2012-01-17 10:12 I've already had an argument with some partici^Wtrolls on #ruby-talk 2012-01-17 10:12 logging the IP addresses does not create any value 2012-01-17 10:12 hm 2012-01-17 10:12 which value does it create in your opinion? 2012-01-17 10:13 well 2012-01-17 10:13 first, it provides no information. second, it may be found ocasionally by googling 2012-01-17 10:13 to be honest, I've been replicating irssi's format 2012-01-17 10:13 it can be removed, of course 2012-01-17 10:13 at the least it's clutter 2012-01-17 10:13 but I think that logging joins/parts _do_ has its value 2012-01-17 10:13 in which way? 2012-01-17 10:13 I have found that useful quite a few times 2012-01-17 10:13 third, i have a vhost here; so i keep my privacy even if someone joins. But sometimes i can join unidentified and without vhost and wil be cought by logs 2012-01-17 10:14 i don't want that 2012-01-17 10:14 kyak: as I've said, I have nothing against removing hostnames in joins/parts 2012-01-17 10:14 no problem with that 2012-01-17 10:14 and it's clutter, yes 2012-01-17 10:15 removing hostnames would be great 2012-01-17 10:15 sure 2012-01-17 10:15 do you have any experience with mysql? 2012-01-17 10:15 I have something like 2 million of rows 2012-01-17 10:15 nope :) 2012-01-17 10:15 sigh 2012-01-17 10:16 what is your problem, maybe i still could help? 2012-01-17 10:16 or someone else here 2012-01-17 10:16 removal of hostnames and ips would be welcomed by most I think, I fail to see the value 2012-01-17 10:20 kyak: http://pastie.org/3200427 2012-01-17 10:20 this 2012-01-17 10:21 it's my "storage format". 2012-01-17 10:21 and it sucks (I know) 2012-01-17 10:22 probably you can have different tables for different channels 2012-01-17 10:22 other than that, why it sucks? it has int id for what matters :) 2012-01-17 10:26 er 2012-01-17 10:26 I can remove the hostnames in the logger bot 2012-01-17 10:26 but I'd need to run some sort of regexp on 500k rows 2012-01-17 10:28 update [table_name] set [field_name] = replace([field_name],'[string_to_find]','[string_to_replace]'); 2012-01-17 10:28 this is what google says :) 2012-01-17 10:29 probably 'replace' supports regexp or there are other functions supporting regexp 2012-01-17 10:29 hm 2012-01-17 10:29 you can also filter on nick == NULL to find those joins/quits 2012-01-17 10:42 sure 2012-01-17 10:42 that's how I highlight them in viewer 2012-01-17 10:45 well, I'll look into it 2012-01-17 10:50 whitequark: do you think it is hard to make bot connect via SSL? 2012-01-17 10:50 it occured to me that some of my channels are ssl-only 2012-01-17 10:52 nope 2012-01-17 10:52 it's ruby 2012-01-17 10:52 just a matter of substituting one class for another 2012-01-17 10:54 oh god, time to update my distro.. my RubyGems is tool old to install "bundle" 2012-01-17 10:55 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 10:55 oh yes 2012-01-17 10:55 that's a _really_ old rubygems install 2012-01-17 10:55 1.3.5 :) 2012-01-17 10:56 okay... trying to talk with four or five people simultaneously isn't a very good idea 2012-01-17 10:57 especially if you consider the fact this channel is in English and it's not native for me 2012-01-17 10:57 so, latter 2012-01-17 10:57 *later 2012-01-17 10:57 I'll be here at evening (something like 22:00 at UTC+4) 2012-01-17 10:57 bye, and thanks :) 2012-01-17 10:57 you're welcome 2012-01-17 11:27 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 11:39 bartbes [bartbes!bartbes@love/developer/bartbes] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 11:51 newcup [newcup!newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 11:57 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 12:01 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 12:04 (VGA DDC failed :: 6 / 90) wpwrak, I'm thinking this problem...even you mentioned that intermittent problem, possibly 2012-01-17 12:04 caused by software. 2012-01-17 12:09 wpwrak, but i'm not sure and don't know if existing another potential reason, why i'm thinking this? since i reviewed R2 known issues and compared to R3 known issues about L3 and L19 shorted to fix frozen problem, would it be also likely to "ground problem" to cause noises? 2012-01-17 12:10 wpwrak, sorry that wrong channel again., ;-) 2012-01-17 12:12 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 12:36 antgreen [antgreen!~user@bas3-toronto06-1177890396.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 12:52 wolfspra1l [wolfspra1l!~wolfsprau@p5B0ABA66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 13:02 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@123.117.11.135] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 13:51 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 14:15 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 14:40 panda|x201 [panda|x201!~hzhang@123.116.125.65] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 14:54 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 15:11 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 15:29 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 15:33 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 16:25 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 17:05 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 17:20 urandom__ [urandom__!~user@ip-88-152-200-105.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 17:37 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 17:41 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@178.53.192.77.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 17:45 lovely news: nokia sells out ... to sisvel. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/16/nokia_patents/ 2012-01-17 17:47 the reg puts a friendly spin on it, but not everyone would agree with that ... 2012-01-17 18:14 we can see - sisvel is doing great :-) 2012-01-17 18:18 hey that's our friend Bill Ray, I would totally disagree with him on that one 2012-01-17 18:18 "big friendly troll offering FRAND licenses to anyone who wants one" 2012-01-17 18:18 ha ha 2012-01-17 18:18 can't be more backwards 2012-01-17 18:19 woakas [woakas!~woakas@200.106.218.64] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 18:21 wpwrak: you know my guess is that Nokia is testing sisvel, giving them some starting business. 2012-01-17 18:22 for sure there will be payback to Nokia depending on how much money sisvel can make, and so forth 2012-01-17 18:22 and then nokia can decide later whether to expand busines with them or not, but then they have reliable historical sisvel performance data at hand :-) 2012-01-17 18:32 what is sisvel? 2012-01-17 18:33 ah I read. 2012-01-17 18:34 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 18:38 waste of time actually, the kind of thing that after you learned about, you wish you never had 2012-01-17 18:42 or the kind of thing after you learned about it, you wish you had known about it before 2012-01-17 18:42 ;-) 2012-01-17 18:43 sisvel is the unfriendly face of philips and now nokia 2012-01-17 18:45 the reg has an interesting comment: this could be a ploy to outsource litigation. that way, there may be less risk of retaliatory lawsuits 2012-01-17 18:47 well, you could still sue nokia nayways 2012-01-17 18:49 yeah, but it may a) be less clear whether they're really behind it, and b) it may also cause a different public perception 2012-01-17 18:52 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@124.155.26.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 19:17 jluis [jluis!~jluis@81.Red-79-153-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 19:18 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 19:46 larsc: no, I'm sure. the first one :-) 2012-01-17 19:49 there was a nice NanoNote article today http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/the-ben-nanonote-the-worlds-smallest-linux-laptop/ 2012-01-17 20:01 how's the tendency in ben sales actually ? stable ? 2012-01-17 20:01 ha, yes, you could call it like that 2012-01-17 20:01 hopefully non-zero, too :) 2012-01-17 20:01 a few here and there, slowly moving 2012-01-17 20:02 the important part for me right now is to keep it in stock, and that's the case 2012-01-17 20:02 power forward the m1, then marry the two eventually :-) 2012-01-17 20:02 heh :) 2012-01-17 20:12 nn 2012-01-17 20:12 nanomist? 2012-01-17 20:12 milkynote? 2012-01-17 20:16 the people should be educated that the nanonote lacks w-lan and slide keyboard cause of patent shit 2012-01-17 20:16 nanomist sounds like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prey_(novel) 2012-01-17 20:19 wpwrak: we have to many boooks like that, people are already overscared by new tech, we need them to believe in progress not in stagnation 2012-01-17 20:21 oh, a little frisson now and then doesn't do much harm :) 2012-01-17 20:43 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@vulture-nat-32.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 20:43 kilae [kilae!~chatzilla@catv-161-018.tbwil.ch] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 20:48 antgreen [antgreen!user@nat/redhat/x-rqnhdiogkzorvlog] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 20:55 and for our English learners (including me), I looked this up - frisson: a moment of intense excitement :-) 2012-01-17 20:58 I think that's a French word 2012-01-17 20:59 but it's not exactly the same meaning in French 2012-01-17 21:18 half of the english language is french 2012-01-17 21:19 I wouldn't say half 2012-01-17 21:19 wordnet says "an almost pleasurable sensation of fright" 2012-01-17 22:05 valhalla [valhalla!~valhalla@81-174-23-178.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 22:37 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@vulture-nat-32.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 22:48 Qwin1234 [Qwin1234!~qwin1234@ip4dab0093.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 22:48 Hey all 2012-01-17 22:48 I wonder if anyone can help me out here with an external drive problem 2012-01-17 22:49 after unplugging from tv the partition is unrecognizable ... 2012-01-17 22:49 So i can format it but there is important data on it 2012-01-17 22:49 I tried getDataBack to repair the partition but it give me IO errors 2012-01-17 22:49 gives* 2012-01-17 22:50 So I think it has to do with house of the harddrive but I am not sure. What do you guys think the problem is ? ( Also any recommended tools of fixing the problem ) 2012-01-17 22:51 I think you have the wrong channel... this channel is about building open hardware (Ben NanoNote, Milky Mist) 2012-01-17 22:51 Hmmm true :/ 2012-01-17 22:58 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@vulture-nat-32.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-17 23:51 blogic [blogic!~blogic@openwrt/developer/blogic] has quit [#qi-hardware]