2012-01-16 00:33 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 01:25 Openfree` [Openfree`!~Openfreer@116.228.88.131] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 01:27 cladamwa [cladamwa!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 02:02 rejon [rejon!~rejon@li382-141.members.linode.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 02:12 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 02:40 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 05:34 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 06:41 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@vulture2-nat-41.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 07:33 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 07:58 cladamwa [cladamwa!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:19 pabs3 [pabs3!~pabs@d175-38-164-81.per801.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:22 Artyom [Artyom!~chatzilla@h6.net58.bmstu.ru] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:31 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:43 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:46 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 08:53 cladamw_ [cladamw_!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:16 Guest78994 [Guest78994!~hzhang@123.125.157.20] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:28 jekhor__ [jekhor__!~jek@vulture-nat-40.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:42 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@117.188.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:47 stefan_schmidt [stefan_schmidt!~stefan@p4FC772A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:54 tradej [tradej!tradej@nat/redhat/x-xocauslxxeafxrvr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 09:58 Guest78994 [Guest78994!~hzhang@123.125.157.20] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 10:07 Openfree` [Openfree`!~Openfreer@116.228.88.131] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 10:18 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 10:20 http://www.on-time.com/rtos-32-versus-linux.htm - is anyone in a mood to argue some of these points? I have a feeling that they are somewhat "wrong", but can't explain (to myself) why 2012-01-16 10:20 on-time rtos32 is some dos-compatible RTOD 2012-01-16 10:20 s/RTOD/RTOS 2012-01-16 10:20 kyak meant: "on-time rtos32 is some dos-compatible RTOS" 2012-01-16 10:21 and the newsgroup message they posted looks like a complete shit 2012-01-16 10:21 but maybe someone even tried that rtos32? 2012-01-16 10:22 they sell source, which is probably better than making it completely closed-source 2012-01-16 10:23 probably it has even leaked by now 2012-01-16 10:23 hm I think linux has to be booted from ram, yes 2012-01-16 10:24 And I don't know how the realtime tasks work... whether the api is available or not for them 2012-01-16 10:24 kristoffer_ [kristoffer_!~kristoffe@host-95-206-3-124.mobileonline.telia.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 10:25 well. i'm 95% sure that there are more linux-based real-time embedded systems, than based on on-time rtos 2012-01-16 10:26 are the developers of these systems so stupid? because according to rtos32 comparison, linux is not competitive :) 2012-01-16 10:28 and besides... "x86" and "embedded" are sort of different worlds.. at least how i imagined it until now 2012-01-16 10:41 the issue might be that people use "real time" in very different ways 2012-01-16 10:42 often just having low latency is good enough 2012-01-16 10:42 but if you really must prove that a system will always meet its deadlines then Linux might not be the best choice 2012-01-16 10:45 for example in a car network Linux would be fine for the navigation and entertainment parts, but not suitable for the part directly involved in driving 2012-01-16 11:10 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:15 jluis|work [jluis|work!~jpddb@83.247.136.72] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:15 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:15 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:23 stefan_schmidt [stefan_schmidt!~stefan@p4FC772A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 2012-01-16 11:31 mth: i agree.. but not that rtos32 is used anywhere is car's ECU :) it's not x86 2012-01-16 11:32 i can imagine it running as some automation control at a plant, probably 2012-01-16 11:33 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:41 newcup [newcup!newcup@peruna.fi] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 11:52 ECU? 2012-01-16 11:52 kyak: is that what I asked yesterday? ""One 450g eCu (copper) block" 2012-01-16 11:53 kyak: I think that as embedded OS, ecos is quite popular 2012-01-16 11:53 http://ecos.sourceware.org/ 2012-01-16 11:53 embedded rtos 2012-01-16 11:54 I never heard rtos32 2012-01-16 11:54 (which means quite little) 2012-01-16 12:12 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 12:15 woakas [woakas!~woakas@200.106.218.64] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 12:41 dandon [dandon!~dandon@88.151.74.146] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 12:57 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AD425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 13:03 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 13:16 viric: ECU stands for Electronic (or Engine) Control Unit in automotive :) 2012-01-16 13:17 eCos, hm 2012-01-16 13:17 ahh 2012-01-16 13:18 I've seen ecos code in two firmwares of my TV-DVB decoders 2012-01-16 13:31 kuribas [kuribas!~user@d54C43316.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 14:01 urandom__ [urandom__!~user@ip-176-199-8-17.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 15:06 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 15:27 Gerard Braad — 吉拉德: @jukkaeklund @leinir @Texrat not a bad idea. a little like @qihardware and the Milkymist ( 158933231222272000@gbraad - 13s ago via web ) 2012-01-16 15:45 emeb [emeb!~ericb@ip72-223-81-94.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 15:49 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-416296.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 16:26 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.174] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 16:27 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-416296.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 16:41 heberth [heberth!~heberth@190.97.216.197] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 16:56 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 17:31 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AD425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 17:36 !stat 2012-01-16 17:36 kyak: 53662 words, 312805 letters, 5808 lines, 9.24 words/line, 24 actions, 1072 smilies, 974 questions, 89 joins, 0 kicks, 0 modes, 0 nicks, 0 topics, time wasted: 48 weeks 20 hours 23 minutes , 83.52 idle-factor. 2012-01-16 17:37 !top10 2012-01-16 17:37 Top10(words): 1. wpwrak(244374) 2. wolfsprau(156197) 3. kristianpaul(74176) 4. DocScrutinizer(54859) 5. kyak(53663) 6. wolfspraul(44203) 7. roh(35289) 8. whitequark(34613) 9. tuxbrain(31082) 10. dvdk(28294) 2012-01-16 17:38 freespace [freespace!foobar@85.203.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 17:40 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AD425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 17:58 * kristianpaul dont trust the stats 2012-01-16 18:06 finally I found a null-modem DB9 cable! 2012-01-16 18:08 found? 2012-01-16 18:10 I've been looking for it in boxes of cables during 30 minutes 2012-01-16 18:11 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 18:12 why youdint have it connected to your serial port already? :) 2012-01-16 18:21 I rarely have to use 12V serial ports 2012-01-16 18:28 Artyom [Artyom!~chatzilla@84.23.62.191] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 18:30 kristianpaul: hi, are you here? 2012-01-16 18:31 yes 2012-01-16 18:31 hello! 2012-01-16 18:31 i been readng your logs 2012-01-16 18:31 and recently code :) 2012-01-16 18:46 Have you seen my namuru-wishbone-port on googlecode? 2012-01-16 18:46 yes 2012-01-16 18:46 one inside milkymist_gnsssdr_port right? 2012-01-16 18:47 isquite simpler than mine, i think i added troubles with the fsm... 2012-01-16 18:48 s/troubles/more lines 2012-01-16 18:48 kristianpaul meant: "isquite simpler than mine, i think i added more lines with the fsm..." 2012-01-16 18:48 woyna [woyna!woyna@79.133.200.48] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 18:48 well i based the code not in bram ;) 2012-01-16 18:48 s/based/forked 2012-01-16 18:48 kristianpaul meant: "well i forked the code not in bram ;)" 2012-01-16 18:48 yeah, very simple ;) Like bram. You can test program for MM SoC now ;) 2012-01-16 18:49 yup, heading to it this week 2012-01-16 18:49 * kristianpaul wish can carry its M1 to all palces 2012-01-16 18:51 btw the test program you need fix something? 2012-01-16 18:51 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@vulture-nat-40.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 18:52 to use milkymist timers to measure time or such_ 2012-01-16 18:52 s/_/? 2012-01-16 18:52 kristianpaul meant: "to use milkymist timers to measure time or such?" 2012-01-16 18:53 You mean program in GPS folder? It's the same as earlier. (Some minor unimoprtant additions were made for debug purposes) 2012-01-16 18:55 The program is very simple. It only tries to acquire a predefined satellite (You should correct correlator_init() function) 2012-01-16 18:56 yes that one 2012-01-16 18:56 yes sure 2012-01-16 19:04 actually i fixed my code back how namuru upstream was 2012-01-16 19:04 also less issues when dealing with more functions from osgps (in order to get a fix) 2012-01-16 19:08 rozzin [rozzin!~rozzin@209-20-69-211.slicehost.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:10 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:18 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:23 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:23 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@vulture2-nat-46.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:27 Artyom [Artyom!~chatzilla@84.23.62.191] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:30 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:31 Textmode [Textmode!~boneidle@adsl-syd-2-209.ozonline.com.au] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:32 wej [wej!~j@m2.mullvad.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:37 qwebirc52049 [qwebirc52049!442740f1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.39.64.241] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:37 hello 2012-01-16 19:38 i am new here and any one can help me how to use this make file ? 2012-01-16 19:39 kilae [kilae!~chatzilla@catv-161-018.tbwil.ch] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:39 i am new here and any one can help me how to use this make file ? 2012-01-16 19:40 Artyom: I had one question about your expansion thoughts. Why do you need 50-80 io pins. Why that many / which use cases? 2012-01-16 19:40 (oh sorry, should have asked on #milkymist, I can repost there or you answer here, doesn't matter much) 2012-01-16 19:41 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:41 i am trying to install mpg123 on my MI424WR 2012-01-16 19:41 50-80 gpio.. keyboard? :) 2012-01-16 19:42 any one please ... 2012-01-16 19:43 wolfspraul: I have alread answered half an hour ago ;) 2012-01-16 19:43 on milkymist channel 2012-01-16 19:44 Artyom 2012-01-16 19:44 do you know how to use make file 2012-01-16 19:45 Artyom: oh, I apologize, let me check there... 2012-01-16 19:46 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:46 qwebirc: sorry, I'm afraid I can not unswer on your question... I don't know/use mpg123 and MI424WR 2012-01-16 19:46 jekhor__ [jekhor__!~jek@vulture2-nat-43.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:46 Or you just never used any make files? 2012-01-16 19:48 i compile openwrt for mu router 2012-01-16 19:48 and i installed asterisk 18 2012-01-16 19:48 i like to install mpg123 for online stream to dump in asterisk 2012-01-16 19:48 so i can listen music or news 2012-01-16 19:49 mpg123 is not included in openwrt 2012-01-16 19:49 i just found make file here 2012-01-16 19:50 qwebirc: Sorry, I can not help you. I'm new here and I don't use things that you have mentioned... 2012-01-16 19:51 jekhor__ [jekhor__!~jek@vulture2-nat-41.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:51 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:51 Thanks 2012-01-16 19:54 jekhor_ [jekhor_!~jek@vulture-nat-32.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 roh [roh!~roh@yamato.hyte.de] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 marcan [marcan!marcan@marcansoft.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 zumbi [zumbi!~zumbi@77.230.237.25] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-416296.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 jluis|work [jluis|work!~jpddb@83.247.136.72] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@p5493B41F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:57 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 19:58 viric [viric!~viric@unaffiliated/viric] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-16 21:18 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AD425.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware