2012-01-07 00:00 <kristianpaul> http://www.hiqsdr.org/
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2012-01-07 07:45 <viric> I'll backport the color fb fonts from 2.6.37 to 2.6.36...
2012-01-07 07:46 <viric> because I can't boot 2.6.37 and I don't have a serial cable ready to see the error message well
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2012-01-07 08:13 <kyak> the main reason for kernel not booting (at least for me) was that the partition layout (hardcoded in kernel) was not correct
2012-01-07 08:14 <viric> ahm
2012-01-07 08:14 <viric> that changed for 37?
2012-01-07 08:14 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 08:14 <viric> that sounds like a good reason
2012-01-07 08:15 <kyak> i don't know what is yours; ours is like this: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.0/0023-qi_lb60-NAND-add-data-partition.patch
2012-01-07 08:15 <viric> I keep the old one
2012-01-07 08:16 <viric> argh, my backport to 2.6.36 fails... the font doesn't load
2012-01-07 08:16 <viric> ah I wrote it bad
2012-01-07 08:18 <viric> right
2012-01-07 08:19 <viric> I'll skip the data-partition thing
2012-01-07 08:19 <viric> kyak: thank you!
2012-01-07 08:20 <kyak> does 37 boot now or you made it work for 36?
2012-01-07 08:21 <viric> I build both :)
2012-01-07 08:21 <viric> kyak: queued into ts :)
2012-01-07 08:21 <kyak> heh :)
2012-01-07 08:23 <viric> I've a slow computer
2012-01-07 08:23 <viric> 760s per kernel build
2012-01-07 08:23 <viric> 1 core
2012-01-07 08:24 <kyak> oh, that's really slow - even for the small kernel with almost no modules
2012-01-07 08:26 <viric> well, you saw it :)
2012-01-07 08:29 <kyak> yeah, and i'm still amazed by the first (and the only) person i saw who was using tiling wm :)
2012-01-07 08:29 <viric> really?
2012-01-07 08:29 <viric> hmmm
2012-01-07 08:30 <viric> at my office, two more people use it. And among my friends using gnu/linux, I think... 90% use tiling wm
2012-01-07 08:31 <viric> users of 'aweesome', 'dwm', 'lars', 'stumpwm' and 'xmonad'.
2012-01-07 08:31 <kyak> heh, ok :)
2012-01-07 08:32 <viric> choose your favourite :)
2012-01-07 08:32 <viric> I meant 'awesome', btw.
2012-01-07 08:32 <kyak> i'm way too stuck with my old habits
2012-01-07 08:32 <viric> lispers like stumpwm, haskelers like xmonad, old people like larswm, ...
2012-01-07 08:33 <viric> I used windowmaker before switching
2012-01-07 08:33 <kyak> i'm using openbox on my slower machine and gnome on faster one
2012-01-07 08:34 <viric> I never used those
2012-01-07 08:34 <viric> And for years I used 'rio'
2012-01-07 08:35 <kyak> this one is even hard to google :)
2012-01-07 08:35 <viric> it's part of plan9port
2012-01-07 08:35 <viric> http://swtch.com/plan9port/
2012-01-07 08:37 <viric> the backport of 2.6.36 does not work, for what I tried.
2012-01-07 08:37 <viric> and 2.6.37 lacks PERF_EVENTS!
2012-01-07 08:38 <viric> grr
2012-01-07 08:38 <viric> I spent a lot of time cross-building the 'perf' tool, to know that the nanonote kernel does not build with such PERF_EVENTS. maybe lars wants to take a look :)
2012-01-07 08:38 <viric> lasrc
2012-01-07 08:38 <viric> larsc
2012-01-07 08:43 <kyak> viric: probably you could have a look at the same patch for 2.6.32, to see what's wrong with your port
2012-01-07 08:43 <kyak> you can find it in release_2011-05-28
2012-01-07 08:44 <kyak> some file names have changed.. like drivers/char/vt.c -> drivers/tty/vt/vt.c
2012-01-07 09:00 <viric> kyak: yes, that's the case of 2.6.36
2012-01-07 09:00 <viric> I tried the filename change, but that's not enough
2012-01-07 09:00 <viric> the name change was between 2.6.36 and 2.6.37 :)
2012-01-07 09:02 <viric> # flash_eraseall /dev/mtd1 
2012-01-07 09:02 <viric> Erasing 512 Kibyte @ 400000 -- 100 % complete.
2012-01-07 09:03 <viric> why it does not say erasing 4MiB?
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2012-01-07 09:05 <viric> kyak: how are your 30k rss posts per day? :)
2012-01-07 09:08 <kyak> "From your 82 subscriptions, over the last 30 days you read 233 items, clicked 8 items, starred 0 items, and emailed 0 items." :)
2012-01-07 09:08 <viric> and 'received' how much?
2012-01-07 09:09 <kyak> it's around 2.5k per day
2012-01-07 09:09 <kyak> as you can see, i filter out a lot :)
2012-01-07 09:09 <viric> with what complex heuristics? ;)
2012-01-07 09:10 <kyak> i have a trained eye :)
2012-01-07 09:10 <viric> I imagined so. hehe
2012-01-07 09:12 <kyak> if the name has changed from 2.6.36 to 2.6.37, perhaps you would have better luck porting the patch from 2.6.32?
2012-01-07 09:12 <viric> where is that 2.6.32 patch?
2012-01-07 09:13 <viric> isn't it removed from git'
2012-01-07 09:13 <viric> ?
2012-01-07 09:13 <kyak> of course not, it's in release_2011-05-28 branch
2012-01-07 09:13 <viric> iirc, I did not use 2.6.32 for some reason
2012-01-07 09:14 <viric> I can't remember
2012-01-07 09:17 <kyak> probably it will even apply clean to 2.6.36, who knows :)
2012-01-07 09:17 <viric> aha
2012-01-07 09:17 <viric> we'll, 2.6.37 built again
2012-01-07 09:18 <viric> let's see now
2012-01-07 09:18 <viric> boots!
2012-01-07 09:19 <viric> I've your font!
2012-01-07 09:19 <viric> great! :D
2012-01-07 09:19 <viric> what a big improvement
2012-01-07 09:21 <kyak> it's good for certain applications.. not for those requiring colors
2012-01-07 09:21 <viric> Ah
2012-01-07 09:21 <viric> ouch.
2012-01-07 09:22 <kyak> didn't i mention that before? :)
2012-01-07 09:22 <viric> no ;)
2012-01-07 09:23 <kyak> from my experience, it's good in almost all cases
2012-01-07 09:23 <kyak> who cares if irssi or centerim is black and white
2012-01-07 09:23 <kyak> ah, it also lacks bold :)
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2012-01-07 09:24 <viric> ugm
2012-01-07 09:24 <viric> I see
2012-01-07 09:24 <viric> why? :)
2012-01-07 09:24 <kyak> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Setfont2
2012-01-07 09:24 <kyak> it is explained in some details here
2012-01-07 09:25 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 09:25 <viric> it looks as if my consoles aren't unicode
2012-01-07 09:26 <viric> lynx utf8 fails to show the nonascii glyphs
2012-01-07 09:28 <kyak> beware that the font only contains ascii, cyrillic and some line drawing glyphs
2012-01-07 09:29 <kyak> and you also need the trans file to map those glyphs correctly
2012-01-07 09:29 <viric> cyrillic fails
2012-01-07 09:29 <kyak> the font itself doesn't contain this information
2012-01-07 09:30 <kyak> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ben-cyrillic/files/ben_ru_uni.trans
2012-01-07 09:30 <viric> maybe I lack some kernel thing?
2012-01-07 09:31 <kyak> did you do things similar to http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ben-cyrillic/files/russian.sh ?
2012-01-07 09:31 <viric> almost
2012-01-07 09:31 <viric> only setfont2 ;)
2012-01-07 09:31 <kyak> it's not enough
2012-01-07 09:32 <viric> aha! loadunimap did it
2012-01-07 09:32 <viric> клёво
2012-01-07 09:32 <viric> Now... we need more glyphs :)
2012-01-07 09:32 <kyak> so as i said, this .trans information is usually in the font itself
2012-01-07 09:32 <kyak> but not in this case
2012-01-07 09:33 <kyak> yes, we need more glyphs!!
2012-01-07 09:33 <kyak> like umlauts etc
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2012-01-07 09:33 <viric> can't we use a script to generate those from an X iso16464 font?
2012-01-07 09:33 <viric> 10464
2012-01-07 09:33 <viric> whatever
2012-01-07 09:33 <kyak> no, unfortunately, it's a manual work
2012-01-07 09:33 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 09:34 <viric> I can't believe
2012-01-07 09:34 <viric> why?
2012-01-07 09:34 <kyak> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/setfont2/source/tree/master/
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2012-01-07 09:35 <kyak> you use tools/un-fuzzy.py to create pnm fonts from png files
2012-01-07 09:35 <kyak> and you create png files (like http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/setfont2/source/tree/master/fonts/pre-6x10-font.png) manually
2012-01-07 09:35 <kyak> with GIMP, for example
2012-01-07 09:36 <viric> why manually?
2012-01-07 09:37 <viric> this has double horizontal resolution?
2012-01-07 09:37 <kyak> i have a discussion with neil, the author of setfont2; i can forward it to you
2012-01-07 09:37 <viric> yes, please include me
2012-01-07 09:37 <kyak> if you give me your mail
2012-01-07 09:39 <kyak> double horizontal resolution - that's right, the glyphs in png file are like that.. they become "normal" in pnm file
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2012-01-07 11:16 <viric> kyak: I'm closer to the fbterm patch...
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2012-01-07 12:39 <whitequark> don't forget λ
2012-01-07 12:40 <viric> :)
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2012-01-07 14:10 <viric> what about 'caneta'?
2012-01-07 14:23 <whitequark> caneta?
2012-01-07 14:23 <whitequark> (offtopic: do you, or anyone, possibly know why writing "sepErator" is quite a common error?)
2012-01-07 14:23 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 14:24 <viric> sorry.
2012-01-07 14:24 <viric> whitequark: I can't recall seeing that error even once
2012-01-07 14:24 <viric> caneda. sorry. :)
2012-01-07 14:24 <viric> Brazilians, sorry for the confusion :)
2012-01-07 14:24 <viric> whitequark: caneda.sf.net
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2012-01-07 14:29 <whitequark> viric: looks very incomplete
2012-01-07 14:29 <whitequark> and, err
2012-01-07 14:29 <whitequark> chip layout editing?
2012-01-07 14:29 <whitequark> I don't know not only anyone who'd be editing chip layout by hand
2012-01-07 14:30 <whitequark> but I don't ever know a blog of anyone doing such things
2012-01-07 14:30 <whitequark> given that there is a blog about everything on the net...
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2012-01-07 14:35 <viric> someone here was writing it, iirc
2012-01-07 14:36 <whitequark> can anyone answer a few questions about m1 firmware build process?
2012-01-07 14:40 <wolfspraul> whitequark: you might better ask in #milkymist
2012-01-07 14:40 <wolfspraul> if you try to reduce channels, then ask here...
2012-01-07 14:41 <whitequark> uh
2012-01-07 14:41 <whitequark> yes
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2012-01-07 15:04 <viric> I'm trying fbida
2012-01-07 15:05 <viric> ah! I think it scales with floating point
2012-01-07 15:05 <viric> that's why it's super slow scaling
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2012-01-07 15:48 <kyak> viric: any screenshots to compare fbterm with/without patch?
2012-01-07 15:52 <kristianpaul> fbterm was always ugly before ;)
2012-01-07 15:53 <kyak> depends on font and font size
2012-01-07 15:53 <kyak> but basically, all straight lines are ugly on Ben
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2012-01-07 15:54 <qwebirc15093> hi
2012-01-07 15:55 <qwebirc15093> anybody knows ho to edit "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" ?
2012-01-07 15:56 <kristianpaul> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
2012-01-07 15:58 <kyak> :)
2012-01-07 15:58 <qwebirc15093> yes yes, but i had to edit it manualy and copy the edited file from the terminal, using echo doens't let me
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2012-01-07 16:03 <qwebirc15093> with the last firmware image, it isn't neccesary to edit NN's routing table manually? (i've followed every sigle step, but doesn't connect to internet)
2012-01-07 16:04 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 16:04 <viric> kyak: how could I take screenshots?
2012-01-07 16:05 <viric> hm
2012-01-07 16:05 <viric> with a photo camera...
2012-01-07 16:06 <qwebirc15093> there's a program, but only works for console, i think
2012-01-07 16:06 <viric> well, but that won't help :)
2012-01-07 16:08 <viric> I'm preparing screenshots
2012-01-07 16:11 <viric> kristianpaul: those who are happy without utf-8, they can go without fbterm
2012-01-07 16:12 <qwebirc15093> how can i disble dhcp on usb0 ?
2012-01-07 16:15 <kristianpaul> qwebirc15093: what's your linux distro?
2012-01-07 16:15 <qwebirc15093> ubuntu 10.10
2012-01-07 16:16 <viric> kyak: I took pictures... the camera does not take well the detail
2012-01-07 16:16 <kristianpaul> try in /etc/network/interfaces to add a  line for usb0
2012-01-07 16:17 <kristianpaul> perhaps and auto is okay
2012-01-07 16:17 <kristianpaul> so this way the network manager should not try to do automatically things around it
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2012-01-07 16:17 <qwebirc15093> i remember that on a page i found a interfaces file
2012-01-07 16:18 <kristianpaul> at least we start to ship a built-in dhcp server for next release to make easiersetup netowrking..?
2012-01-07 16:21 <viric> kyak: screenshots sent to the list.
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2012-01-07 16:30 <kristianpaul> a bit less blurry it seems
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2012-01-07 16:38 <qwebirc15093> this in uncredible
2012-01-07 16:39 <qwebirc15093> i follow every step on the wiki tutorial, and i can make ping from the NN to the pc and vice versa, but can't get access to the net :S
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2012-01-07 17:05 <wpwrak> maybe you need to set up NAT ?
2012-01-07 17:15 <qwebirc15093> i don't know, i've followed every step on the tutorial of the wiki
2012-01-07 17:20 <wpwrak> if eth0 is your interface to the outside world, the command would be something along the lines of  /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
2012-01-07 17:24 <qwebirc15093> yes, i put that also
2012-01-07 17:26 <qwebirc15093> but nothing, doesn't ping to google
2012-01-07 17:27 <kristianpaul> qwebirc15093: your get internet trought wi-fi or.... ?
2012-01-07 17:30 <qwebirc15093> oh, wifi XDD
2012-01-07 17:30 <qwebirc15093> what a fail XDD
2012-01-07 17:41 <qwebirc15093> other question, the key with the "Qi" Logo, has any use?
2012-01-07 17:42 <kyak> viric: looks great!
2012-01-07 17:42 <kyak> the patch is definitely worth it
2012-01-07 17:42 <kyak> btw, you can use fbgrab to capture screen
2012-01-07 17:43 <kyak> though its captures look weird with setfont2 (lines not straight)
2012-01-07 17:43 <kyak> i guess fbgrab needs to be patched for bgr-whatever as well :)
2012-01-07 17:44 <kyak> viric: what is the font you are using with fbterm?
2012-01-07 17:44 <kyak> seems better than unifont
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2012-01-07 18:20 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer, do I look like a mirror? ^_^
2012-01-07 18:20 <qwebirc15093> is there a mplayer frontend?
2012-01-07 18:20 <DocScrutinizer> !seen ChanServ 
2012-01-07 18:20 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer, if you can't see ChanServ here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^
2012-01-07 18:30 <larsc> hmpf. you talk too much. lastlog doesn't even contain msg from last night
2012-01-07 18:30 <larsc> ;)
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2012-01-07 18:36 <kyak> yeah, let's beat ML once and for all! :)
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2012-01-07 19:30 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config.full_system: enable swap-utils (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0e220dd
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2012-01-07 20:33 <viric> kyak: hmmm freesomething
2012-01-07 20:33 <viric> kyak: 'freefont'
2012-01-07 20:33 <viric> iirc
2012-01-07 20:33 <viric> ah no
2012-01-07 20:34 <viric> it's the Micros~1 Arial Unicode :)
2012-01-07 20:34 <viric> size 10
2012-01-07 20:35 <viric> larsc: I use lots of short sentences, for what I could write in a simple longer sentence.
2012-01-07 20:37 <larsc> viric: were you able to solve your problems?
2012-01-07 20:39 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: fbterm: incorporate viric's patch for Ben LCD (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/8389ba0
2012-01-07 20:39 <kyak> viric: thanks
2012-01-07 20:39 <kyak> it's using Dejavu Sans Mono by default here
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2012-01-07 20:42 <viric> larsc: yes, 2.6.37 boots fine. BUT
2012-01-07 20:42 <viric> I tried suspend, and it hanged with the screen on.
2012-01-07 20:42 <viric> I think it worked in 2.6.36
2012-01-07 20:42 <kyak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/fbterm-patch.png
2012-01-07 20:42 <kyak> http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kyak/tmp/fbterm-orig.png
2012-01-07 20:42 <kyak> you see how fbgrab plays this trick :)
2012-01-07 20:43 <viric> well, the effect on screen is similar to what you get in a usual lcd from 'patch' to 'orig'. :)
2012-01-07 20:43 <kyak> yep, similar in reverse :)
2012-01-07 20:44 <viric> I did not look hard for fonts
2012-01-07 20:45 <viric> I don't know much about that.
2012-01-07 20:45 <kyak> me too. In fact, when i tryed changing some fonts that ship by default (with anything) i only made it worse :)
2012-01-07 20:47 <kyak> i use terminus for console on my laptop (it is also available on Ben). It is a usual setfont font, and it's very popular in Russia (it looks nice, too)
2012-01-07 20:49 <viric> I'm more classic
2012-01-07 20:49 <viric> I use -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1
2012-01-07 20:50 <viric> for xterm
2012-01-07 20:50 <viric> I don't touch what is in console
2012-01-07 20:52 <kyak> -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 in my urxvt :)
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2012-01-07 21:16 <viric> another classic :)
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