2012-01-05 00:01 wolfspraul: not sure, the concept does feel strange to me 2012-01-05 00:01 wolfspraul: but that must have been like when my parents got plastic money 2012-01-05 00:06 good point :-) 2012-01-05 00:07 I think there is an opportunity for open hardware at some point, somewhere 2012-01-05 00:08 we shall see 2012-01-05 00:08 what happened to those crypto stick guys? 2012-01-05 00:09 I read some good stuff about that a while ago, haven't checked recently 2012-01-05 00:09 ah yes, here http://crypto-stick.org/ 2012-01-05 00:09 German Privacy Foundation :-) 2012-01-05 00:11 yes it is interesting. could help to bring pki to the masses 2012-01-05 00:55 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 01:33 Openfree` [Openfree`!~Openfreer@116.228.88.131] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 01:53 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 03:17 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 05:13 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 06:05 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 06:07 qwebirc63810 [qwebirc63810!4402e5aa@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.2.229.170] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 06:29 Pete Ippel ‽ (Westchester): @kanyewest If you truly believe in what you just quoted, you need to check out the concept of @sharism: Share to Be @fabricatorz @qihardware ( 154811493358112768@hypermodern - 31s ago via web ) 2012-01-05 06:40 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 07:25 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@vulture2-nat-43.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 08:59 GorDonFreeMan [GorDonFreeMan!~lambda@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 08:59 hi 2012-01-05 08:59 ;>> 2012-01-05 09:00 anybody ever hacked a HDD ? 2012-01-05 09:00 i see some very c00l stuff in them 2012-01-05 09:01 you can even make a speaker from da "voice coil" 2012-01-05 09:13 GorDonFreeMan: haven't heard of such a hack - but go ahead! ;-) 2012-01-05 09:13 ahaha but it's simple 2012-01-05 09:14 just connect the head to something at the center of rotation's angle with some rubber band, and attach a plate to it so it moves more air, then find the voice-coil's 2 endpoints, and connect an audio amplifier 2012-01-05 09:15 it IS a speaker 2012-01-05 09:15 ;>> 2012-01-05 09:21 Ayla [Ayla!~paul@117.188.103.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 09:22 GorDonFreeMan: well really, please do it1 2012-01-05 09:22 ! 2012-01-05 09:22 :-) 2012-01-05 09:22 speakers are cool, so are speaker hacks 2012-01-05 09:24 I had and still have some vague plans of building speakers with Jon rejon Phillips, but no big bang yet 2012-01-05 09:25 http://laoban-soundsystem.com/ 2012-01-05 09:25 but the plans are nowhere to be found ;-) the only open thing so far is the announcement, I think 2012-01-05 09:27 don't give a fuck 2012-01-05 09:27 i have built 2 huge speakers in 2001 2012-01-05 09:27 http://chrisfenton.com/homemade-speakers/ 2012-01-05 09:27 and it was cool for many years 2012-01-05 09:27 still is or not? :-) 2012-01-05 09:28 those laoban boxes also exist, were made etc. but the documentation side is lacking, I guess the speakers themselves were too much fun to sit down with boring paperwork 2012-01-05 09:28 speakers out of old hdds - more power to you 2012-01-05 09:31 well moisture killed my wood ;< 2012-01-05 09:31 i got some liquid spilled on them 2012-01-05 09:31 and i didn't made it waterproof 2012-01-05 09:31 yeah wood is difficult 2012-01-05 09:31 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 09:31 i'll make another set in a few month 2012-01-05 09:31 we did a wood case for the Milkymist One, but by now (1 year later), it's so bent that it totally doesn't fit together anymore 2012-01-05 09:32 it was 90cm high btw :) and had a reflex system 2012-01-05 09:32 GorDonFreeMan: please keep us posted here, by all means 2012-01-05 09:32 if you like 2012-01-05 09:32 do you want to build speakers? 2012-01-05 09:32 and if there are ways to support you or work together, at least bring it up and give others the chance to understand what you do 2012-01-05 09:32 well sure, I just said so [laoban] 2012-01-05 09:33 in fact we did already 2012-01-05 09:33 did you click on that link? 2012-01-05 09:33 it says 'qi hardware' there :-) 2012-01-05 09:33 ;> 2012-01-05 09:33 but like I said, we only have some speakers now, the plans and lots of the documentation are not clean and at the level I would like them to have 2012-01-05 09:33 meanwhile Matt is off to the next speakers, some 360 degree whatever. I have to check with him in his studio. 2012-01-05 09:33 he is a real sound fanatic 2012-01-05 09:34 i like quality too 2012-01-05 09:34 sound quality, sure. amazing how good good speakers can be, right? 2012-01-05 09:34 and that's a quality that is hard to explain in text, video, marketing 2012-01-05 09:35 :) 2012-01-05 09:35 i have just designed a robot muscle 2012-01-05 09:35 <; 2012-01-05 09:35 yea 2012-01-05 09:35 GorDonFreeMan: how ? 2012-01-05 09:35 i mean ... 2012-01-05 09:35 nice 2012-01-05 09:35 any links? pics? 2012-01-05 09:36 now deciding what i use it first :) 2012-01-05 09:36 servos or pneumatics or pessure valves ? 2012-01-05 09:36 we played with servos ... works but $$$ 2012-01-05 09:36 stepper motors, and magnetic magic :) 2012-01-05 09:36 so recently we played with valves from washing machines to pressurise plasic hoses 2012-01-05 09:36 i have more designs for more applications 2012-01-05 09:36 ok $$$$ 2012-01-05 09:36 so a bot with 48 joints == several k$ 2012-01-05 09:36 i don't like pressure things 2012-01-05 09:36 ;/ 2012-01-05 09:37 me neither 2012-01-05 09:37 but for hobby motors, servos ... are too expensive 2012-01-05 09:37 no, i build mine 2012-01-05 09:37 think about a small hexapod 2012-01-05 09:37 and extract steppers from junk 2012-01-05 09:37 yes and if you built 40 its expensive 2012-01-05 09:37 :P 2012-01-05 09:37 ;>> 2012-01-05 09:37 which makes it not eproducable 2012-01-05 09:37 ok 2012-01-05 09:37 cd drives have little steppers that you can use for a spider:P 2012-01-05 09:38 yes 2012-01-05 09:38 i am looking a a means to move 25kg bots 2012-01-05 09:38 :D 2012-01-05 09:38 and the main drive motor can even fly an aeroplane if properly hacked 2012-01-05 09:38 we are using pressure valves from old washing machines atm for testing 2012-01-05 09:38 blogic<< large scale will be expensive whatever you do 2012-01-05 09:38 or.... it will be slow 2012-01-05 09:38 :P 2012-01-05 09:39 yes 2012-01-05 09:39 a cd drive can move 1 tonn robot 2012-01-05 09:39 we did some maths 2012-01-05 09:39 but the time needed would be large 2012-01-05 09:39 and if we used servos we need 3k€ / robot 2012-01-05 09:39 just for the servos 2012-01-05 09:39 and and logic to drive them 2012-01-05 09:39 design servos, and make them :P 2012-01-05 09:39 sure 2012-01-05 09:39 i wanted to make a robot not a servo :D 2012-01-05 09:40 haha 2012-01-05 09:40 but you want cheap servos in your robots 2012-01-05 09:40 no 2012-01-05 09:40 so you have to make servos first. 2012-01-05 09:40 i dont want servos 2012-01-05 09:40 i consider pneumatics / pressure to be a better solution 2012-01-05 09:40 at least for low cost 2012-01-05 09:40 and i think i will consider my beta test robot muscle 2012-01-05 09:40 :) 2012-01-05 09:40 of course in an ideal world i have 50e servs that tell me the pressure they used and the tortion 2012-01-05 09:41 but they cost 50€ a pop 2012-01-05 09:41 still have to decide the feedback type 2012-01-05 09:41 GorDonFreeMan: do you have pics online ? 2012-01-05 09:41 yes 2012-01-05 09:41 feedback is important 2012-01-05 09:41 no, i just thinked this out about 30 mins ago 2012-01-05 09:41 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 09:41 oki 2012-01-05 09:42 so i'm making prototype 2012-01-05 09:42 :) 2012-01-05 09:42 sooo 2012-01-05 09:42 i have a motion 2012-01-05 09:42 and i'd need some type of industrial dirt-safe position encoder 2012-01-05 09:42 ;/ 2012-01-05 09:43 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 09:43 i don't want encoder foil and photo diodes 2012-01-05 09:43 do you have any blog or anything where you document your work? 2012-01-05 09:43 or... i could do that, if i enclose my stuff dust-free 2012-01-05 09:44 i haven't made a blog 2012-01-05 09:44 but i could 2012-01-05 09:44 i just always have beter things to do 2012-01-05 09:45 sure I understand, just asking... 2012-01-05 09:45 where do you live, if I may ask? 2012-01-05 09:45 hungary 2012-01-05 09:45 EU 2012-01-05 09:45 oh great 2012-01-05 09:45 so there are many thrown out junk dvd players around here 2012-01-05 09:46 just have to find some 2012-01-05 09:46 also bad HDD-s 2012-01-05 09:46 som printers 2012-01-05 09:46 :) 2012-01-05 09:46 laster printers have ultra cool stepper motors 2012-01-05 09:46 *laser 2012-01-05 09:46 GorDonFreeMan: accoring to you url the budapest IX runs a pr0n site from which you connect 2012-01-05 09:47 ahaha 2012-01-05 09:47 post privacy 2.0 2012-01-05 09:47 :D 2012-01-05 09:48 sooo 2012-01-05 09:48 a blog is cool 2012-01-05 09:48 i have even found 96 step steppers in printers :) 2012-01-05 09:49 but if you blog your work there is a record of when you were lazy 2012-01-05 09:49 96 full steps 2012-01-05 09:49 and they usually can handle 500-800mA 2012-01-05 09:50 somebody building CNC machine here? 2012-01-05 09:50 hahayes 2012-01-05 09:50 yes 2012-01-05 09:50 lots of them 2012-01-05 09:51 so what do you suggest for position sensing? 2012-01-05 09:51 of a cnc ? 2012-01-05 09:51 i have a linear motion in 3 axis 2012-01-05 09:51 yes 2012-01-05 09:51 we just make sure the code and drivers work properly 2012-01-05 09:51 ;/ 2012-01-05 09:51 we started counting steps and so on 2 years ago 2012-01-05 09:52 but then reverted to just making sure the machine works 2012-01-05 09:52 rather than working around lost steps 2012-01-05 09:52 yeah well i can do that in openloop mode, but what if my servo does not have "steps" ? 2012-01-05 09:52 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOpaRhF2RVY 2012-01-05 09:53 we managed to get our hands on 9 industrial cnc machines made by isel 2012-01-05 09:53 8A steppers 2012-01-05 09:53 haha ok 2012-01-05 09:53 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e89pqJRxTDo&list=UUQj4g-gCjWUWSBmNU-sKPzg&index=4&feature=plcp 2012-01-05 09:54 but i'm only movind a dvd main drive motor now 2012-01-05 09:54 we attached a makerbot extruder to one of the machines last week 2012-01-05 09:54 not a 10kW milling machine 2012-01-05 09:54 i'll stay below 2kW this year i think 2012-01-05 09:55 milling some plexiglass sheet, wood, plastic, aluminium, steel 2012-01-05 09:56 and engraving/milling some glass 2012-01-05 09:56 maybe 2012-01-05 09:56 you need large steppers only for large moving masses, and increased acceleration/deceleration 2012-01-05 09:59 i'm writing my software on linux to drive my CNC machine currently 2012-01-05 09:59 here's my timer test 2012-01-05 09:59 http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/timertest2.tar.xz 2012-01-05 10:00 and heres my technology test http://matrix.z-labor.com/tmp/C/sdltext_fps_d_asdf2.c 2012-01-05 10:05 ok i think my robotic muscle will be open-loop as a prototype 2012-01-05 10:05 maybe i should patent it ;< 2012-01-05 10:05 i could use some extra money, and the right to my work 2012-01-05 10:07 my idea is infinitely scalable :) 2012-01-05 10:08 scalable for speed, size, and precision 2012-01-05 10:09 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 10:15 i just hack it together using many parts, but the whole in it's working state is uniq i think 2012-01-05 10:16 also the control mechanism 2012-01-05 10:16 and driving logic 2012-01-05 10:27 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 10:33 valhalla [valhalla!~valhalla@81-174-23-109.dynamic.ngi.it] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 11:28 jivs [jivs!~jivs@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 11:28 woakas [woakas!~woakas@200.106.218.64] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 12:22 stefan_schmidt [stefan_schmidt!~stefan@p4FC77044.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 12:53 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AA714.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 12:54 cladamw [cladamw!~Adam@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 13:09 cladamw_ [cladamw_!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 13:14 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 13:46 hello there 2012-01-05 13:46 anybody here with an experience of compiling sdl apps to the nanonote? 2012-01-05 13:48 wtf is a nanonote? 2012-01-05 13:48 #sdl btw 2012-01-05 13:49 what you mean wtf is a nanonote? That's a qi-hardware channel, isn't it? 2012-01-05 13:49 wait, you're on qi-hw do not know what a nanonote is and accuse others to be on a wrong channel? 2012-01-05 13:49 and no, #sdl probably won't help me, because my sdl app already runs on a similar hardware 2012-01-05 13:49 yeah never heard of 2012-01-05 13:50 so i assume it's some problem with the nanonote hardware/software setup and not my sdl code 2012-01-05 13:50 it segfaults when i try to launch the binary 2012-01-05 13:50 gonna try to debug it now 2012-01-05 13:50 zear: does compiel fail or des the app just not run ? 2012-01-05 13:51 blogic, i used the open-dingux toolchain to produce the binary because of the whole openwrt toolchain madness 2012-01-05 13:51 what madness ? 2012-01-05 13:51 "it is not like OE" 2012-01-05 13:51 you just need to select nanonote as a profile and run "make" 2012-01-05 13:52 blogic, this madness: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Compiling_for_the_NanoNote 2012-01-05 13:52 jow_laptop: thank god for that 2012-01-05 13:52 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AA714.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 13:52 wow i want one 2012-01-05 13:52 http://sharism.cc/specs/ 2012-01-05 13:52 where to get it? 2012-01-05 13:52 www.tuxbrain.com 2012-01-05 13:52 can it handle 32GB sdhc micro? 2012-01-05 13:52 * jow_laptop fails to see the madness 2012-01-05 13:53 GorDonFreeMan: yes it can 2012-01-05 13:53 https://www.tuxbrain.net/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=99 2012-01-05 13:53 thanks for asking btw 2012-01-05 13:53 urandom__ [urandom__!~user@p548A3196.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 13:53 it's an amazing little pocket computer, but very *different* ;-) 2012-01-05 13:54 jow_laptop, some "staging dirs" and "root dirs" 2012-01-05 13:54 i had a 300MHz cyrix MII / IBM cpu in 1998 so i know the approximate processing power of this 2012-01-05 13:54 all i need is gcc 2012-01-05 13:54 no you also need ld, shared libraries and headers 2012-01-05 13:54 so i can compile my program using my already existing makefile 2012-01-05 13:54 well, yes 2012-01-05 13:54 is it ARM ? 2012-01-05 13:55 so anyway, let me first tell you what i did: 2012-01-05 13:55 what you call "madness" is commonly called "cross compilation" 2012-01-05 13:55 the esc is in wrong place though 2012-01-05 13:56 ad the 2 vol buttons lol 2012-01-05 13:56 jow_laptop, i've done a lot of cross-compilation in my life, never had to change anything more than $CC or $LD lines 2012-01-05 13:56 zear: you might want to consider building a toolchain with openwrt 2012-01-05 13:56 openwrt was the reason why i gave up on my nanonote 2012-01-05 13:56 zear: same for openwrt. stuff the toolchain in path and override ld and cc 2012-01-05 13:57 and then use this outside of owrt 2012-01-05 13:57 blogic, nope, done that back in 2010, it was a painful process and it never really worked 2012-01-05 13:57 zear: and installation directories? And library/header directories? And pkgconfig? And broken configure scripts? ... 2012-01-05 13:57 viric, thank you :) 2012-01-05 13:57 so anyway, that's where i am: 2012-01-05 13:57 dynamically linked the binary with opendingux toolchain 2012-01-05 13:57 and that's only when you *already have* the cross toolchain 2012-01-05 13:58 put the libraries from opendingux toolchain into the same dir as my binary 2012-01-05 13:58 used export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:./ to point the system to the location of these libraries 2012-01-05 13:58 ran the binary 2012-01-05 13:58 and bah - segfault 2012-01-05 13:58 try again with a openwrt toolchain 2012-01-05 13:58 zear: what syscalls does the binary use? 2012-01-05 13:58 SDL, etc.? 2012-01-05 13:59 viric, how do i check that? 2012-01-05 13:59 what program did you use? 2012-01-05 13:59 you mean what libraries does the binary use? 2012-01-05 13:59 what program did you build? 2012-01-05 14:00 dingux has some different hw, iirc 2012-01-05 14:00 that's what i use: http://pastebin.com/DcbKqBQx 2012-01-05 14:00 ah SDL 2012-01-05 14:00 the dingux SDL may be prepared for the dingux video hw 2012-01-05 14:00 viric, it's open-dingux, based on the same kernel base i think 2012-01-05 14:01 viric, if i launch the binary directly (without exporting the LD path), the binary still segfaults 2012-01-05 14:01 then maybe it's the dynamic loader 2012-01-05 14:01 take the dynamic loader frmo dingux 2012-01-05 14:01 i'll now recompile with debugging symbols and check with gdb 2012-01-05 14:01 so i could code on linux with geany anywhere with a nanonote 2012-01-05 14:01 ;> 2012-01-05 14:01 any tech specs? 2012-01-05 14:01 uptime? 2012-01-05 14:01 GorDonFreeMan, i wouldn't use the nanonote for coding 2012-01-05 14:01 why? 2012-01-05 14:01 zear: take 'ld-linux.so' from dingux, and run: ./ld-linux.so myprogram 2012-01-05 14:01 it's painful to type on the normal keys 2012-01-05 14:02 not to mention the button combos for special keys like { } | and so on 2012-01-05 14:02 ;/ 2012-01-05 14:02 GorDonFreeMan, that thing is about the size of a credit card 2012-01-05 14:02 so any technical specs? 2012-01-05 14:03 from the top of my head: 336MHz jz-4720 MIPS, 32ram, 320x240 screen 2012-01-05 14:03 qwerty, no usb host 2012-01-05 14:03 microSD slot with sdio support 2012-01-05 14:03 ok 2012-01-05 14:03 i saw that 2012-01-05 14:03 i was missing others. 2012-01-05 14:03 power consumption, power saving 2012-01-05 14:04 i'd say ~8 hours of constant use 2012-01-05 14:04 but that depends on the battery really 2012-01-05 14:04 that's not much 2012-01-05 14:04 it takes the standard nokia battery 2012-01-05 14:04 make it oled 2012-01-05 14:04 :P 2012-01-05 14:06 viric, there's no "ld-linux" in the open-dingux toolchain 2012-01-05 14:06 hm 2012-01-05 14:06 that'd be the glibc one 2012-01-05 14:06 viric, the closest is "ld-uClibc" 2012-01-05 14:06 Ah ok 2012-01-05 14:06 that one 2012-01-05 14:07 I didn't know the libc they use 2012-01-05 14:07 viric, "Standalone execution is not supported yet" 2012-01-05 14:08 You need to pass the binary as parameter 2012-01-05 14:08 did you pass it? 2012-01-05 14:08 yes 2012-01-05 14:08 ah 2012-01-05 14:08 hm 2012-01-05 14:08 glibc has standalone execution :) 2012-01-05 14:09 So... 2012-01-05 14:09 viric, i can compile it the nanonote way if it will work 2012-01-05 14:09 You'd need to link the program giving another dynamic loader 2012-01-05 14:09 but i'd really try to avoid using openwrt 2012-01-05 14:09 I imagine the dynamic loader in the nanonote does not understand your shared libs 2012-01-05 14:09 zear: blasphemic 2012-01-05 14:10 :D 2012-01-05 14:10 blogic, :P 2012-01-05 14:10 but I don't really know what did the uclibc people do for version compatibility 2012-01-05 14:10 well, i've got 4 closed-source games i want to port to the nanonote 2012-01-05 14:10 dammit make it being able to code 2012-01-05 14:10 {}()[]-+<>|^~* 2012-01-05 14:10 ; 2012-01-05 14:10 it only needs a modifier key, and small characters printed lower index to letters 2012-01-05 14:10 zear: why don't you use the nanonote shared libs, instead of the dingux? 2012-01-05 14:10 so i'd rather want to stay away from the openwrt madness 2012-01-05 14:10 viric: essentially nothing 2012-01-05 14:10 and the volume buttons lol again 2012-01-05 14:10 also the esc 2012-01-05 14:10 there are more chances for that to work 2012-01-05 14:10 viric, as i said, if i launch the binary with system libs, it still segfaults 2012-01-05 14:11 can you paste somewhere 'readelf -dh yourbinary' ? 2012-01-05 14:11 sure, 5min 2012-01-05 14:11 i have these on my keyboard with alt-gr too natively... 2012-01-05 14:11 any readelf will do 2012-01-05 14:12 but i guess i only hack the labels on the buttons, and modify key bindings to get any layout :P 2012-01-05 14:12 viric, here you go: http://pastebin.com/aE8nH77N 2012-01-05 14:13 so, 8 hours is not too much, will you make an OLED screen version? 2012-01-05 14:13 GorDonFreeMan, oleds rot 2012-01-05 14:13 it was a plague for GPH Wiz 2012-01-05 14:13 what you mean by that? 2012-01-05 14:13 ;/ 2012-01-05 14:14 they simply rot, like that: http://www.vasic.fr/images/14102009232.jpg 2012-01-05 14:16 zear: hm it looks fine. I imagine, as jow_laptop may mean, that the uclibc loader only understands its own libc&co 2012-01-05 14:16 viric, so it would mean that i have to compile the binary using nanonote's own compiler? 2012-01-05 14:16 (back in 2009 dingoo binaries would be compatible) 2012-01-05 14:16 ah 2012-01-05 14:16 by closed source you mean that *you* have the source? 2012-01-05 14:17 i have the source, i can't release it 2012-01-05 14:17 The biggest technical problem for OLEDs was the limited lifetime of the organic materials.[57] In particular, blue OLEDs historically have had a lifetime of around 14,000 hours to half original brightness (five years at 8 hours a day) when used for flat-panel displays. 2012-01-05 14:17 i can live with that. 2012-01-05 14:17 ahh ok 2012-01-05 14:17 i buy a display every year. 2012-01-05 14:17 one being my own game, 3 of someone else that asked me to port it to the dingoo and nanonote 2012-01-05 14:17 ok 2012-01-05 14:17 and i can have 100kHz refresh rate, and very low power consumption. 2012-01-05 14:17 I can't promise it will work :) 2012-01-05 14:17 I don't know why it does not start in any case. 2012-01-05 14:18 In 2007, experimental OLEDs were created which can sustain 400 cd/m2 of luminance for over 198,000 hours for green OLEDs and 62,000 hours for blue OLEDs. 2012-01-05 14:18 viric, i'll just compile it with debugging symbols and check with gdb 2012-01-05 14:18 ok 2012-01-05 14:18 maybe it's failing on sdl init 2012-01-05 14:18 please tell what you find 2012-01-05 14:18 although i think i had printfs if that was the case 2012-01-05 14:19 you can strace it 2012-01-05 14:19 yea 2012-01-05 14:19 SDL might do some ioctl on the fb 2012-01-05 14:19 first i thought it's maybe 16 vs 32bpp issue 2012-01-05 14:19 but when compiled with 32bpp the binary still segfaults 2012-01-05 14:20 ok, according to strace the game parses the config file, so that means the binary gets executed 2012-01-05 14:20 and fails somewhere further on 2012-01-05 14:20 http://pastebin.com/QwLudUhY 2012-01-05 14:21 looks like parsing the config is the last thing that happens before the segfault 2012-01-05 14:22 ah, it reaches main then 2012-01-05 14:23 there you go. 2012-01-05 14:23 yep 2012-01-05 14:23 you could do really sophisticated printf debugging inside main :D 2012-01-05 14:23 http://hackaday.com/2011/01/09/oled-displays-and-small-microcontrollers/ 2012-01-05 14:23 ! 2012-01-05 14:26 also forget white background unless you really need it. 2012-01-05 14:26 that is stupid. 2012-01-05 14:26 the letters should glow in color, and bachground should always be dark. 2012-01-05 14:28 http://hackaday.com/2010/10/14/touring-the-available-nokia-lcd-screens/ 2012-01-05 14:28 hah c00l 2012-01-05 14:34 zear: fwiw, SDL is pretty much as easy as overriding CC with jlime 2012-01-05 14:35 zear: i never tried SDL with openwrt. but it's guaranteed to be harder because for the gcc vs. libs diaspora 2012-01-05 14:36 wpwrak, are jlime libs compatible with the default nanonote distro? 2012-01-05 14:36 i could finally try out rafa's toolchain if it also works on the default distro 2012-01-05 14:36 zear: not the dynamic ones :) 2012-01-05 14:36 ouch 2012-01-05 14:36 and i can't link statically 2012-01-05 14:37 zear: that would be too easy ;-) 2012-01-05 14:38 wpwrak, so assuming i want my binaries to run on owrt, going with owrt toolchain / lib set is the only way? 2012-01-05 14:41 so it seems 2012-01-05 14:41 ah 2012-01-05 14:41 http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-0831CE/ 2012-01-05 14:41 Overview of ultra-small, high-definition OLED display 2012-01-05 14:41 0.7-inch (Diagonal 18.0mm), Ultra-Small High-Definition 2012-01-05 14:41 Color OLED Display Achieving 2.8M Effective Pixels 2012-01-05 14:43 http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201108/11-097E/ 2012-01-05 14:43 Introducing World’s First*1 3D Compatible Head Mounted Display Equipped With High Definition OLED Panel 2012-01-05 14:43 Offering a new 3D-viewing style with movie theater-like virtual screen*2 experience - 2012-01-05 14:49 B_Lizzard [B_Lizzard!~havoc@athedsl-425284.home.otenet.gr] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 14:54 ok, looks that the segfault in my program is related to the code not being able to parse the configfile 2012-01-05 14:54 which is really weird, because so far it never had problems parsing the files on different os-es and filesystems 2012-01-05 14:55 does nanonote behave in some special way when trying to access "./data/config.cfg" 2012-01-05 15:03 marijnfs_ [marijnfs_!~stollenga@macj.idsia.ch] has joined #qi-hardware 2012-01-05 15:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShapeWriter 2012-01-05 15:11 does this mean retardness will increase globally? 2012-01-05 15:13 "just connect the letters together approximately, and the software will guess what da fuck you want to type" 2012-01-05 15:17