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2012-01-01 05:18 <xiangfu> Happy New Year. :D
2012-01-01 05:19 <kristianpaul> lets gor fot that :)
2012-01-01 05:19 <kristianpaul> s/gor/go
2012-01-01 05:19 <qi-bot> kristianpaul meant: "lets go fot that :)"
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2012-01-01 08:20 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: thanks for helping pabs3
2012-01-01 08:20 <wolfspraul> and happy new year!
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2012-01-01 09:55 <wolfspraul> nice post from Andrew about (advanced) homemade pcbs  http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2011/12/multiple-lithography-in-homemade-pcbs.html
2012-01-01 11:04 <qi-bot> Ina Zhang: @qihardware I will present Milkymist One at hackerplace Xin Che Jian in Shanghai on Jan. 11, 2012. http://t.co/N6axQzvZ ( 153431129632935936@InaZhangSH - 36s ago via web )
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2012-01-01 11:54 <qi-bot> xiangfu: @InaZhangSH @qihardware @milkymistvj Yi will present Milkymist One at hackerplace Xin Che Jian in Shanghai on Jan. 11, 2012. http://t.co/N6a ( 153443618621898752@xiangfu - 57s ago via Ping.fm )
2012-01-01 11:57 <xiangfu> :D
2012-01-01 11:58 <xiangfu>  why I add some 'serial_puts' make my u-boot-nand.bin not working? how to debug/find out such root cause?
2012-01-01 12:00 <lars_> is there a config option to stub out serial_puts?
2012-01-01 12:00 <lars_> or the uart is not properly initalized
2012-01-01 12:00 <lars_> clock disabled or incorrect pinmux
2012-01-01 12:01 <xiangfu> lars_, it output correct. 
2012-01-01 12:01 <xiangfu> only the u-boot-nand.bin not working any more. like failed at load the u-boot.bin to RAM.
2012-01-01 12:01 <xiangfu> lars_,  http://lists.denx.de/pipermail/u-boot/2012-January/114464.html <--  the patch is here 
2012-01-01 12:02 <xiangfu> lars_, and nand_spl only several lines
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2012-01-01 12:04 <lars_> ah, ok. maybe the image is to big now someting like that
2012-01-01 12:07 <xiangfu> lars_, when I remove the 'extern' lines from nand_spl.c also make u-boot-nand.bin not working. :(
2012-01-01 12:11 <lars_> thats rather stange, extern for functions should really matter
2012-01-01 12:13 <lars_> have you compared the binaries?
2012-01-01 12:13 <lars_> the working and the non-working one?
2012-01-01 12:32 <GorDonFreeMan> hi
2012-01-01 12:32 <GorDonFreeMan> realtime preempted linux kernel's HRT & TSC test result data http://pastebin.com/1QF6bc9T
2012-01-01 12:32 <GorDonFreeMan> opinions?
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2012-01-01 12:51 <xiangfu> lars_, testing now. 
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2012-01-01 13:40 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, you question is about Windows driver. you should ask Ingenic people or NOVO people about jz4770.
2012-01-01 13:40 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, we are support Ben Nanonote which is using jz4720 cpu.
2012-01-01 13:40 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, and most people here is using Linux system :)
2012-01-01 13:41 <qwebirc3657> how can i reach novo people?
2012-01-01 13:41 <qwebirc3657> i am sorry for the wrong place 
2012-01-01 13:41 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, well. you bought the novo 7 . so there must some email or phone number on the manual.
2012-01-01 13:41 <qwebirc3657> my problem is i cannot speak chinese
2012-01-01 13:42 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, oh.
2012-01-01 13:42 <qwebirc3657> and ALL information is in chinese
2012-01-01 13:42 <qwebirc3657> but with the help of Google translate
2012-01-01 13:42 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, you only have Window system?
2012-01-01 13:42 <qwebirc3657> i located and downloaded the firmware upgrade that i need
2012-01-01 13:42 <qwebirc3657> yes
2012-01-01 13:43 <qwebirc3657> my computer is w7 64
2012-01-01 13:43 <qwebirc3657> and i am affraid that i am having trouble installing the drivers because of 64bits system
2012-01-01 13:44 <qwebirc3657> or else because of some chinese characters in the folder tree which may be a problem for windows not chinese
2012-01-01 13:47 <qwebirc3657> I got this new Novo 7 running honeycomb 3.2
2012-01-01 13:48 <qwebirc3657> it just crashes everytime i use wifi, or when i try to access some given sttings, or even sometimes it crashes just while booting
2012-01-01 13:49 <qwebirc3657> i complained with the seller, butafter a while i understood that thay are really ignorant about tech stuff, they're just sellers
2012-01-01 13:51 <qwebirc3657> so i searched and found the ainol site (all in chinese), but with google translate i was able to find that there is a new firmware upgrade
2012-01-01 13:51 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, I just search a little. : you can try this driver: http://www.multiupload.com/9WIR1W1NBA
2012-01-01 13:51 <qwebirc3657> i downloaded it
2012-01-01 13:51 <qwebirc3657> i am checking
2012-01-01 13:52 <qwebirc3657> downloading
2012-01-01 13:53 <qwebirc3657> wil this be proper for JZ4770 USB boot device?
2012-01-01 13:54 <xiangfu> I think so. 
2012-01-01 13:54 <qwebirc3657> thanks
2012-01-01 13:56 <qwebirc3657> i'll report back if it worked
2012-01-01 13:57 <kristianpaul> wolfspra1l: np, btw you added sdr.osmocom.org rss to our planet?
2012-01-01 13:57 <kristianpaul> morning !
2012-01-01 13:58 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, and here is the new NOVO7 firmware: http://www.ainol.com/plugin.php?identifier=ainol&module=download&action=info&downloadid=78
2012-01-01 13:58 <xiangfu> qwebirc3657, it is chinese but you can just try to download and take a look. good luck. :)
2012-01-01 13:59 <qwebirc3657> thanks xiangfu
2012-01-01 14:00 <qwebirc3657> actually, this is the exact version of the firmware i already downloaded
2012-01-01 14:01 <xiangfu> oh
2012-01-01 14:01 <qwebirc3657> and the drivers i am having trouble to install came inside this rar
2012-01-01 14:02 <qwebirc3657> i even get my system calling to install the driver
2012-01-01 14:03 <qwebirc3657> the problem is it allways finishes saying it is not installed
2012-01-01 14:04 <qwebirc3657> it might be because of some chinese characters in the folders tree names, which might be not recognized by my system
2012-01-01 14:05 <qwebirc3657> or because the drivers are not for x64
2012-01-01 14:05 <qwebirc3657> anyway, thank you so much
2012-01-01 14:28 <wolfspra1l> kristianpaul: no, not yet [sdr.osmocom] - why are you asking?
2012-01-01 14:30 <kristianpaul> nah, just remenbering ;)
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2012-01-01 14:55 <wpwrak> oh dear. now, how many days of hangover will come from this ...
2012-01-01 14:56 <wolfspra1l> kristianpaul: ok, thanks for the reminder!
2012-01-01 14:56 <wolfspra1l> time to add some new great quality feeds to the qi planet
2012-01-01 14:57 <wolfspra1l> Andrew's Silicon Exposed blog, OsmoSDR, Moxie, LZX Industries, Video Circuits blog, and Richard Hughes' ColorHug blog :-)
2012-01-01 15:06 <wpwrak> GorDo: hmm, quite a lot of measurements seem a bit off. i wonder why this is. e.g., polling 5 ms supposedly taking ~ 8.04 ms.
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2012-01-01 15:26 <wolfspra1l> wow, I got 50 mails from the qi-planet list now ;-)
2012-01-01 15:27 <wolfspra1l> (oh, another 12 :-))
2012-01-01 15:28 <wolfspra1l> at least the new blogs definitely made it, let's see whether things calm down
2012-01-01 15:28 <wolfspra1l> I think we should try to manage the planet to < 3 to max 5 posts per day so that it can be followed by a human reader and doesn't just become another way to search
2012-01-01 15:28 <DocScrutinizer> !seen roh
2012-01-01 15:28 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer, please look a bit closer at the memberlist of this channel.
2012-01-01 15:28 <DocScrutinizer> meh
2012-01-01 15:29 <wolfspra1l> so I'm am always favoring feeds that have fewer and higher quality posts
2012-01-01 15:29 <DocScrutinizer> hi wolfspra1l, happy new year
2012-01-01 15:29 <wolfspra1l> you too, happy new year1
2012-01-01 15:29 <wolfspra1l> !
2012-01-01 15:30 <wolfspra1l> this is not a pressing issue on my side, just pops into my mind: now that you are a full-time employee - are you still interested and allowed to take on paid side jobs?
2012-01-01 15:31 <DocScrutinizer> dang, my private vhost at hetzer/gismo/central-services acts up, RTT of minutes
2012-01-01 15:32 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspra1l: yes, I may, though I must inform my employer about it
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2012-01-01 15:32 <DocScrutinizer> if they are "on a regular basis"
2012-01-01 15:33 <rjeffries> this gadget is open and interesting (to me): http://code.google.com/p/micropendous/wiki/Micropendous3
2012-01-01 15:33 <wolfspra1l> rjeffries: Ron! :-) happy new year!
2012-01-01 15:33 <rjeffries> Happy (&propserous) New Year to you wolfspraul
2012-01-01 15:33 <wolfspra1l> what do you mean with 'prosperous'?
2012-01-01 15:34 <wolfspra1l> I just added a number of great blogs to the Qi planet, maybe something for you in there as well, don't know
2012-01-01 15:34 <DocScrutinizer> true diogenes' answer
2012-01-01 15:34 <rjeffries> DocScruinizer we are all worried you may starve to death before you get your next check. are you ok? still have a pulse?
2012-01-01 15:34 <wolfspra1l> a few cynics in the channel cannot hurt
2012-01-01 15:35 <rjeffries> wolspraul even MORE prosperous than I assume you are today
2012-01-01 15:35 <wolfspra1l> it's pretty obvious that none of us suffer from real starvation
2012-01-01 15:35 <wolfspra1l> I love my life in China for teaching me the lessons of real life every day.
2012-01-01 15:35 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I think I'm still OK, though now got some minor problems with starting work in ~14h
2012-01-01 15:35 <rjeffries> Doc however did not get his bank transfer.
2012-01-01 15:35 <DocScrutinizer> thanks, anyway
2012-01-01 15:35 <rjeffries> having a steady job is A Good Thing, no?
2012-01-01 15:36 <wolfspra1l> if it makes him happy, yeah sure
2012-01-01 15:36 <wolfspra1l> so when you say 'prosperous' you mean USD?
2012-01-01 15:36 <wolfspra1l> I had that feeling ;-)
2012-01-01 15:36 <rjeffries> the currency of ypour chpoice RMB is a fine currency
2012-01-01 15:36 <DocScrutinizer> rjeffries: it's annoying especially when you have to PAY for going to work
2012-01-01 15:37 <rjeffries> Doc, yes, that would be ANNOYING
2012-01-01 15:37 <wolfspra1l> looked up the definition, indeed it says "successful in material terms"
2012-01-01 15:37 <wolfspra1l> so a LOT OF HARDWARE
2012-01-01 15:37 <wolfspra1l> open of course
2012-01-01 15:37 <wolfspra1l> :-)
2012-01-01 15:37 <wolfspra1l> thanks Ron!
2012-01-01 15:38 <rjeffries> but also a happy spirit, an active, curious, learning mind full of wonderment and awe
2012-01-01 15:38 <DocScrutinizer> FUUUUUU*
2012-01-01 15:39 <wolfspra1l> :-)
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2012-01-01 15:39 <DocScrutinizer> I guess the re-registrations of DocScrutinizer51 are spamming all the channels? (I have join/nick/quit msgs hidden so can't tell for sure)
2012-01-01 15:41 <wolfspra1l> DocScrutinizer: hang on a second please, I will check your link in a few
2012-01-01 15:41 <DocScrutinizer> ZNC bouncer on that vhost, sucks when character roundtrip time in ssh is ~120s
2012-01-01 15:41 <wolfspra1l> (sometimes you disappear fast nowadays)
2012-01-01 15:41 <kristianpaul> hmm seems planet also fed from previous days, thats it
2012-01-01 15:41 <wolfspra1l> yes, don't know why
2012-01-01 15:42 <kristianpaul> oh cool, http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/attachment/wiki/WikiStart/osmosdr.jpg
2012-01-01 15:42 <wolfspra1l> I changed the 'max posts' setting from 60 to 500, so the html page is really long now
2012-01-01 15:42 <wolfspra1l> that's because I recently realized how great the endless debian planet html page is for searching in the browser
2012-01-01 15:42 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
2012-01-01 15:42 <kristianpaul> yup
2012-01-01 15:42 <wolfspra1l> on the other hand I feel mroe and more the traditional search engines (google, bing) let me down
2012-01-01 15:42 * DocScrutinizer *loves* long pages
2012-01-01 15:42 <wolfspra1l> sometimes I just cannot find stuff anymore
2012-01-01 15:43 <wolfspra1l> the links I get are ridiculously bad/off-topic
2012-01-01 15:45 * DocScrutinizer also loves mtr
2012-01-01 15:45 <DocScrutinizer> WAY better than traceroute
2012-01-01 15:45 <DocScrutinizer> and ping
2012-01-01 15:45 <kristianpaul> oh, really
2012-01-01 15:45 <kristianpaul> lets see
2012-01-01 15:46 <kristianpaul> oh looks automatic
2012-01-01 15:46 <wolfspra1l> rjeffries: micropendous looks nice in that they use kicad
2012-01-01 15:47 <wolfspra1l> do they have a blog?
2012-01-01 15:47 <wolfspra1l> do you know any names of key people behind the project?
2012-01-01 15:48 <wolfspra1l> (just asking in case you know, I am searching now...)
2012-01-01 15:48 <kristianpaul> wow DocScrutinizer indeed
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2012-01-01 15:49 <kristianpaul> i dint knew it, but i had to other command fu before to get this stats
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2012-01-01 15:51 <wolfspra1l> kristianpaul: what? (sorry you lost me on this)
2012-01-01 15:51 <DocScrutinizer> hmmpf, >>7. gagarin.andromedalabs.de                                                       3.9%<< (packet loss)
2012-01-01 15:52 <kristianpaul> wolfspra1l: mtr command that DocScrutinizer loves, i dint knew about it
2012-01-01 15:53 <DocScrutinizer> 4.3%
2012-01-01 15:53 <DocScrutinizer> 5%
2012-01-01 15:57 <kristianpaul> DocScrutinizer: a bit OT for current topics, but are you aware of a gsm/umts/edge/whatever usb dongle than have populate in the PCB trace for direct serial conection?
2012-01-01 15:57 <kristianpaul> ergh, i hope i explain my self right ;)
2012-01-01 15:58 <DocScrutinizer> no, sorry, never heard of any, but that doesn't mean a thing
2012-01-01 15:59 <kristianpaul> because is not actually same port you got emulated by UBS?
2012-01-01 15:59 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I guess all those dongles come with a one-chip solution integrating USB, so *if* there is any serial connection, then it's alternative to USB on same SoC and may or may not be supported by the modem firmware
2012-01-01 15:59 <kristianpaul> s/UBS&USB
2012-01-01 15:59 <kristianpaul> i see
2012-01-01 16:05 <DocScrutinizer> kristianpaul: query?
2012-01-01 16:06 <kristianpaul> hmm?
2012-01-01 16:09 <wolfspra1l> rjeffries: micropendous hardware license is cc-by, software seems all open/free indeed
2012-01-01 16:09 <wolfspra1l> that's good :-) no -nd -nd whatever
2012-01-01 16:09 <wolfspra1l> -nc
2012-01-01 16:09 <wolfspra1l> kicad, good. professional tools are always a good sign :-)
2012-01-01 16:10 <wolfspra1l> the one thing I never understand about such development boards is what is being developed
2012-01-01 16:10 <wolfspra1l> what's the next step?
2012-01-01 16:10 <wolfspra1l> so I am really thrilled by stuff like the ColorHug colorimeter, or Icarus bitcoin mining board (all proper and real open hardware as far as it goes nowadays)
2012-01-01 16:11 <wolfspra1l> because they zoom in on a particular use case. and whenever you do that you run into *a lot* of problems associated with that use case
2012-01-01 16:11 <wolfspra1l> that's what will make your 'thing' better and better over time
2012-01-01 16:11 <wolfspra1l> but a 'development board' like micropendous?
2012-01-01 16:11 <wolfspra1l> how do they prioritize problems?
2012-01-01 16:12 <wolfspra1l> I hope you don't mind but i guess you are not planning to buy one (micropendous) or do anything with it. so you will not find out much about such use-case specific issues either...
2012-01-01 16:12 <wolfspra1l> but I love the license and everything I read about it - a nice find. thanks!
2012-01-01 16:13 <wolfspra1l> only that Ben NanoNote and Milkymist One are years ahead :-)
2012-01-01 16:15 <wolfspra1l> too bad, I cannot find a micropendous feed to include in the Qi planet...
2012-01-01 16:21 <wolfspra1l> added to the watch list for now, if I can ever find a good feed I'll add it for sure
2012-01-01 16:22 <wolfspra1l> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Planet#Blogs_to_watch
2012-01-01 16:22 <wolfspra1l> thanks again, really nice find
2012-01-01 16:22 <wolfspra1l> I guess if someone wants a starting point for an AVR USB project, they might want to take a Micropendous as their first step...
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2012-01-01 16:42 <viric> Bon any a tothom
2012-01-01 16:42 <viric> btw, my UBI fs too often says 'moving from one PEB to another PEB'
2012-01-01 16:43 <viric> slowing down a lot the disk access.
2012-01-01 16:43 <viric> maybe I should get a newer kernel
2012-01-01 16:45 <viric> does anybody know how to get ubifs statistics?
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2012-01-01 16:46 <viric> kyak: с новым годом. :) I still would like to know the configuration of your utf-8 terminals with small text size
2012-01-01 16:47 <viric> bt
2012-01-01 16:49 <viric> (btw the keyboard of my nanonote has some keys that I've to press hard to be typed)
2012-01-01 16:49 <DocScrutinizer> that's bad
2012-01-01 16:52 <viric> annoying.
2012-01-01 17:00 <rjeffries> I do not understand this machine language: <DocScrutinizer> FUUUUUU*
2012-01-01 17:01 <DocScrutinizer> hehehe
2012-01-01 17:02 <DocScrutinizer> a special CISC opcode set mnemonics, that invokes a WTF-IRQ servicing routine
2012-01-01 17:06 <rjeffries> wolfspraul1 if you are still around, I may buy a micropendous. I also will buy a Raspberry Pi when they ship in volume (mid 2012 my guess). as to what the use case might be:
2012-01-01 17:07 <rjeffries> both are general purpose computers. Raspebrry Pi is much more powerful, has greta graphivs support, speakes HDMI to any old (modern) monitor or TV.
2012-01-01 17:07 <rjeffries> Rapsberry Pi is focused on teaching/enabling a new generation of young people to learn programming. how refreshing.
2012-01-01 17:08 <kristianpaul> good, keep us postead about how you get upstream linux to work on it (pi)
2012-01-01 17:08 <rjeffries> to my mind, Micropendous is simple a relatively easy to use microcontroller with lots of i/o. it's better adapted to so-called physical computing.
2012-01-01 17:09 <rjeffries> kristianpaul you get a working Debian for Raspebrry Pi out of the box. Not sure if that qualifies as "upstream" I have never been clear on that concept. me bad.
2012-01-01 17:11 <rjeffries> docscrutinizer I suspect but can not prove that FU (U repeated) may be a mnemic for eff yew.
2012-01-01 17:14 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly. FU*\* is an alternative for FSCK!*1!*11
2012-01-01 17:16 <DocScrutinizer> so the U isn't an opcode modifier but an immanent part of the opcode itself
2012-01-01 17:17 <DocScrutinizer> while the number of repetitions of the U indicates the severity level of the WTF-IRQ
2012-01-01 17:18 <DocScrutinizer> the trailing '*' is relevant to distinguish it from the FU{1,1} mnemonic
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2012-01-01 17:28 <wpwrak> (micopendous) interesting ... didn't know USB A-A adapters existed commercially
2012-01-01 17:29 <rjeffries> when wpwrak says "interesting> I pay attention. ;) Happy New Year, Werner.
2012-01-01 17:30 <rjeffries> Doc, I suspect you know and may perchance dream in lambda calculus. Just sayin'
2012-01-01 17:37 <wpwrak> rjeffries: happy new year ! new year, new hangover ;-)
2012-01-01 17:46 <wpwrak> heh, clever. they're doing a ralley in south america, successor of that, paris-darkar thing. and they started today, january 1st, when probably everyone involved is conveniently drunk. seems it took less than an hour for the first fatal accident to happen. some things are just too predictable ...
2012-01-01 17:47 <wolfspra1l> rejon_: sounds good! Please keep us posted about your Pi and Micropendous findings. You will learn more about the concept of upstream soon :-)
2012-01-01 17:47 <wolfspra1l> not rejon_, I meant rjeffries 
2012-01-01 18:06 <kyak> viric: hi, happy new year to you, too :) what did you want to know? it's all in ben-cyrillic package
2012-01-01 18:06 <viric> kyak: ah. I'd have to find it
2012-01-01 18:08 <viric> wpwrak: dakar, not darkar :)
2012-01-01 18:08 <viric> here media considers it quite a popular race
2012-01-01 18:09 <kyak> projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/ben-cyrillic
2012-01-01 18:09 <kyak> viric: you can have s look there
2012-01-01 18:09 <viric> ok!
2012-01-01 18:09 <roh> nappy new year to you guys too
2012-01-01 18:09 <viric> I've the checkout
2012-01-01 18:09 <roh> eh happy.. but also nappy.. both good
2012-01-01 18:10 <viric> kyak: what is the source of all that?
2012-01-01 18:10 <roh> rjeffries: i would be really happy if people would stop nagging with vaporware.
2012-01-01 18:10 <roh> rasberry is nothing but a 'uboot' by brmc.
2012-01-01 18:10 <viric> kyak: I mean... you wrote it from scratch?
2012-01-01 18:11 <kyak> viric: i took the original keymap and modified it
2012-01-01 18:11 <roh> same as the panda and beagleboard are a project done by ti. just brmc doesnt want that in the big press.
2012-01-01 18:11 <viric> kyak: you deserve at least an AUTHORS file and a licence
2012-01-01 18:11 <viric> or a README telling where it comes from :) otherwise it looks like a file that appeared there magically :)
2012-01-01 18:12 <roh> from my pov rasberry is NOT open hw and not a open design. so people.. please stop doing PR for a company who doesnt pay you for it.
2012-01-01 18:12 <kyak> viric: there is an i18n page at qi-hw wiki with explanations
2012-01-01 18:14 <viric> kyak: I know how to use your package. I only mean that there should be an explanation of where all that comes from. What author, over what base, etc.
2012-01-01 18:14 <viric> :)
2012-01-01 18:14 <kyak> it's all git log now ;)
2012-01-01 18:15 <viric> I've checked it, and it starts at "adding the files for cyrillic", which is not the best indication of where all that comes from ;)
2012-01-01 18:16 <viric> I think your name should go to an AUTHORS file there, or a README, telling who made the files and how. You deserve that glory :)
2012-01-01 18:17 <kyak> ok, i got your point.. i had a plan to add phonetic keymap as well, so probably i'll add a README, too
2012-01-01 18:17 <viric> great
2012-01-01 18:17 <viric> :)
2012-01-01 18:17 <viric> not for instructions, but for the source and the release conditions of all that
2012-01-01 18:18 <viric> hm I don't have setfont2
2012-01-01 18:19 <kyak> it's another package you can find in the same repo
2012-01-01 18:19 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 18:20 <viric> nice! :)
2012-01-01 18:20 <kyak> and there is also a kernel patch for setfont2..
2012-01-01 18:20 <viric> ah really? hm
2012-01-01 18:22 <kyak> projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-xburst/source/tree/master/target/linux/xburst/patches-3.0/0030-fbcon-color-fonts.patch
2012-01-01 18:22 <kyak> this one
2012-01-01 18:22 <viric> Ah you run 3.0?
2012-01-01 18:22 <viric> I'll go updating the kernel then
2012-01-01 18:22 <kyak> yep
2012-01-01 18:22 <viric> because the ubifs trouble annoys me
2012-01-01 18:23 <kyak> which trou le4?
2012-01-01 18:23 <kyak> s/trou le4/trouble
2012-01-01 18:23 <qi-bot> kyak meant: "which trouble?"
2012-01-01 18:24 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 18:24 <viric> well, I see from time to time, ubifs moving data from PEB to PEB
2012-01-01 18:24 <viric> for example, I started today 'fbterm', and it took 3 or 4 minutes of relocating PEBs
2012-01-01 18:24 <viric> I don't know what is that about.
2012-01-01 18:24 <roh> whats a PEB?
2012-01-01 18:25 <viric> I imagine it's a nand block
2012-01-01 18:25 <viric> at boot ubi says
2012-01-01 18:25 <viric> [    9.390000] UBI: number of good PEBs:        4079
2012-01-01 18:25 <viric> [    9.400000] UBI: number of bad PEBs:         1
2012-01-01 18:25 <roh> hm. well.. yes it should move stuff around for defragmentation etc... and balanching but it shouldnt take long
2012-01-01 18:26 <viric> and I imagine that starting fbterm does not imply writing things to the nand, only reading
2012-01-01 18:26 <viric> ah, well... there is the fontconfig cache.
2012-01-01 18:26 <viric> I see those things quite often
2012-01-01 18:26 <roh> heh.. do a strace. maybe it does stupid stuff like touching lots of small files
2012-01-01 18:27 <viric> hm in fact I don't have any directory with glyphcache files
2012-01-01 18:28 <kyak> this is the first time when you start any application using fontconfig that it takes long to create the cache
2012-01-01 18:28 <viric> I know. It wasn't either the first time, nor I can find the cache
2012-01-01 18:28 <kyak> just make sure the cache is not removed upon reboot and you are good
2012-01-01 18:29 <viric> why it should be? hm
2012-01-01 18:29 <viric> grmbl. I just mplayer of the bunny file with the latest 0.1.5 jz47xx driver and it hanged
2012-01-01 18:29 <kyak> you cab use fc-cache to recreate the cache
2012-01-01 18:30 <viric> ah, I don't have fontconfig I see
2012-01-01 18:30 <viric> mplayer died. grmbl
2012-01-01 18:31 <kyak> as i recon, mplayer is also using fontconfig for subs at least :)
2012-01-01 18:31 <viric> not mine :)
2012-01-01 18:32 <viric> ah, but fbterm yes uses fontconfig
2012-01-01 18:33 <viric> oh /var/cache/fontconfig. I thought it would use ~/.fontconfig
2012-01-01 18:34 <viric> MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_audio
2012-01-01 18:34 <viric> SIGILL
2012-01-01 18:36 <viric> a bit of gdb...
2012-01-01 18:38 <kyak> probably you can have4 a look at ours config of mplayer, there aare bits related to audio
2012-01-01 18:38 <kyak> projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/mplayer/files/mplayer.conf
2012-01-01 18:38 <viric> I'm using the tremor...
2012-01-01 18:38 <viric> but af-adv=2 not
2012-01-01 18:40 <viric> crashed again with that, at a different point
2012-01-01 18:40 <rjeffries> roh to each his own. Raspberry Pi indeed uses BRCM parts. I could care less. The price is aggressive, it has the possibility of opening up the wonderful experience of programming to an entire new generation.
2012-01-01 18:40 <viric> kyak: do you use 0.1.5 ?
2012-01-01 18:40 <viric> jz47xx
2012-01-01 18:40 <viric> (I see trunk of packages says 0.1.5)
2012-01-01 18:41 <kyak> yep, should be using that if it the latest
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2012-01-01 18:41 <viric> weird.
2012-01-01 18:41 <rjeffries> Not sure any of that is bad. Yeah, it does not meet the stanrdas of copyleft philosphy. But that doesn't mean it will not poetntailly hange the world
2012-01-01 18:41 <viric> it also crashes with vo=null though
2012-01-01 18:42 <viric> kyak: maybe I need a newer kernel? I run 2.6.35
2012-01-01 18:42 <kyak> viric: probably dvdk would be interested.. he is the author of jz47xx
2012-01-01 18:43 <viric> ok
2012-01-01 18:43 <viric> is he coming on irc often?
2012-01-01 18:43 <kyak> hm.. it's a god idea to update the kernel anyway
2012-01-01 18:43 <rjeffries> roh while this channel is mainly open hardware, poeple may also be interested in clever linux computers that are very cheap. at least I have the interest. ;) how is your 2012 going so far?
2012-01-01 18:43 <kyak> i don't remember that we were officially running 2.6.35
2012-01-01 18:44 <viric> :)
2012-01-01 18:44 <viric> I know
2012-01-01 18:44 <kyak> viric: ocasionally.. but he's re4ading the ML i'm sure
2012-01-01 18:44 <viric> ok
2012-01-01 18:45 <viric> is there anything new in 3.0 or 3.1 for the nanonote?
2012-01-01 18:46 <kyak> em.. rtc has some troubles :))
2012-01-01 18:46 <viric> perfect :D
2012-01-01 18:46 <viric> then I still don't have a good reason to update
2012-01-01 18:46 <viric> ah, setfont2
2012-01-01 18:47 <viric> when mplayer crashed, it left my console unusable
2012-01-01 18:47 <viric> keyboard not answering
2012-01-01 18:47 <viric> any way to recover that?
2012-01-01 18:47 <viric> (and what's the sysreq combination for the nanonote?)
2012-01-01 18:48 <viric> the usual alt-sysreq thing on PC
2012-01-01 18:49 <viric> kyak: I have another video I prepared, and it works great
2012-01-01 18:49 <viric> although there is some flickering
2012-01-01 18:50 <viric> I remember telling dvdk about flickering, but we never got anything clear from that
2012-01-01 18:50 <kyak> when something kills my console, i just reboot :)
2012-01-01 18:50 <viric> uh
2012-01-01 18:51 <viric> lars_: do you know any alt-sysreq kind of combination for the nanonote?
2012-01-01 18:51 <viric> I'd like the 'remount readonly', or 'kill some processes', or even reboot
2012-01-01 18:52 <kyak> you could try to do this via ssh
2012-01-01 18:52 <viric> well, if the kernel console is set to the serial line (as it was some time ago in your openwrt, iirc), then the sysreq would be only available there.
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2012-01-01 18:53 <kyak> there should be a /proc/sysrq or whatever it's called
2012-01-01 18:53 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 18:53 <viric> I never saw anything in /proc related to that
2012-01-01 18:54 <kristianpaul> usb gadget is working in 3.1?
2012-01-01 18:56 <lars_> viric: i think the problem is that the serial core in the jz4740 does not support the break sequence
2012-01-01 19:10 <lars_> or do you mean via the keyboard?
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2012-01-01 19:49 <viric> lars_: keyboard, yes
2012-01-01 19:51 <viric> so, I see that when mplayer crashes, it leaves the console unusable.
2012-01-01 19:51 <viric> ssh keeps on working fine.
2012-01-01 20:10 <lars_> viric: if you think it is a usfull feature we could map KEY_SYSREQ to a key
2012-01-01 20:10 <lars_> or key combination
2012-01-01 20:12 <viric> aha
2012-01-01 20:12 <lars_> fn+f8 or something
2012-01-01 20:12 <viric> Yes, I'd like that
2012-01-01 20:12 <viric> and then, fn+h, fn+b, fn+r, ...
2012-01-01 20:13 <viric> isn't it always nice to remount readonly the fs instead of a hard reboot?
2012-01-01 20:13 <lars_> yes, i guess
2012-01-01 20:13 <viric> Don't you do that with your PC linuxes? :)
2012-01-01 20:14 <viric> (Am I alone using sysreq?)
2012-01-01 20:14 <lars_> my linux never locks up ;)
2012-01-01 20:14 <viric> aaah.then I just have bad luck :)
2012-01-01 20:15 <lars_> sometimes it get kernel panics
2012-01-01 20:15 <lars_> uptime is usually more than a month
2012-01-01 20:15 <viric> ah :)
2012-01-01 20:16 <viric> win95 quality :)
2012-01-01 20:16 <lars_> reminds me i wanted to upgrade my kernel
2012-01-01 20:16 <lars_> to 3.1.x
2012-01-01 20:17 <viric> that sounds full of hope :)
2012-01-01 20:17 <viric> lars, maybe you know... when mplayer crashes playing a video using dvdk driver, how can I recover the console?
2012-01-01 20:18 <viric> I only have the last picture on screen, and it looks like even not reading the keyb.
2012-01-01 20:18 <lars_> no idea
2012-01-01 20:18 <viric> ok
2012-01-01 20:26 <viric> Aren't your kernel logs full of this?
2012-01-01 20:26 <viric> [ 7040.830000] UBI: scrubbed PEB 2571 (LEB 0:1828), data moved to PEB 1732
2012-01-01 20:26 <viric> [ 7152.620000] UBI: scrubbed PEB 3112 (LEB 0:2312), data moved to PEB 4026
2012-01-01 20:26 <viric> ....
2012-01-01 20:27 <roh> rjeffries: i dont have a problem with that. what i dont like is people promoting something closed and nonfree as open and free.
2012-01-01 20:28 <lars_> viric: thats nothing to wory about. ubi is a bit verbose on this
2012-01-01 20:28 <lars_> (i think)
2012-01-01 20:29 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 20:29 <roh> i mean.. when i get a completely foss driverstack and maybe some register level documentation about the brmc part i would change my position on it. but for now its advertising fraud to me.
2012-01-01 20:29 <viric> well, today I waited 2 or 3 minutes for fbterm to start
2012-01-01 20:29 <viric> and the only think I could see on the screen since typing "fbterm[enter]" was three or four scrubs like those.
2012-01-01 20:31 <lars_> i think ubi moves pages if it detects a (correctable) bitflip
2012-01-01 20:31 <lars_> so the bitflip also gets corrected on the physical storage
2012-01-01 20:31 <lars_> but i'm not quite sure, so i could be wrong
2012-01-01 20:32 <lars_> " * This sub-system is also responsible for scrubbing. If a bit-flip is detected
2012-01-01 20:32 <lars_>  * in a physical eraseblock, it has to be moved. Technically this is the same
2012-01-01 20:32 <lars_>  * as moving it for wear-leveling reasons.
2012-01-01 20:32 <lars_> quote from the ubifs source
2012-01-01 20:32 <lars_> "
2012-01-01 20:34 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 20:35 <lars_> ok, just read some more and what i said above is correct.
2012-01-01 20:35 <lars_> if it detects a correctable (due to ecc) bitflip it will move the block in order to correct the bitflip in the physical storage to reduce the risc of data corruption
2012-01-01 20:36 <viric> so, some block reads cause block writes
2012-01-01 20:36 <rjeffries> roh I understand. It will be intresting to see if/when BRCM opens up some of the docs. since Raspberry Pi usesd an old part, thye may well do so.
2012-01-01 20:36 <viric> that should not have slown down the fbterm start though
2012-01-01 20:36 <lars_> imo it should not report these in the kernel log, because the kind of storage we use tend to have bitflips from time to time
2012-01-01 20:36 <viric> ah
2012-01-01 20:37 <viric> thank you a lot for the explanation :)
2012-01-01 20:42 <lars_> no problem :)
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