2011-12-20 00:36 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a42c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.66.195] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 00:37 kuribas [kuribas!~user@94-227-88-45.access.telenet.be] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 00:48 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 01:30 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a42c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.66.195] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 01:30 hello 2011-12-20 01:30 wolfspraul: i have enough money to get my NanoNote now, i think :D 2011-12-20 01:32 why haven ordered then !! 2011-12-20 01:32 havent* 2011-12-20 01:32 hi akiwiguy|dv6 2011-12-20 01:32 hello kristianpaul 2011-12-20 01:32 because i'm not quite sure about shipping to NZ 2011-12-20 01:32 i think wolfspraul is in different time zone those days so well i think you better write a mail to him if is very urgent 2011-12-20 01:32 I see 2011-12-20 01:33 New Zealand 2011-12-20 01:33 * Mar 2010: Sharism shipment of 1 NanoNote from Hong Kong to New Zealand, FedEx Economy, S&H cost USD 19.27, delivered in 6 days after pickup. * Jun 2010: Sharism shipment of 1 NanoNote from Hong Kong to New Zealand, FedEx Priority, S&H cost USD 27.60, delivered 3½ days after pickup. 2011-12-20 01:33 oo that's not too bad then 2011-12-20 01:34 akiwiguy|dv6: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Shipping_Notes 2011-12-20 01:34 * akiwiguy|dv6 looks 2011-12-20 01:34 oh cool 2011-12-20 02:04 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 02:07 skynet-2000 [skynet-2000!~skynet-20@unaffiliated/skynet2000] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 02:08 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 02:24 an entirely offtopic question here 2011-12-20 02:25 (for those of you who're native speakers of English) does "Roomie" sound like a (nick)name for you? or is it clear that the word is derivative? 2011-12-20 02:30 sounds fine to me 2011-12-20 02:43 hmm 2011-12-20 02:43 what timezone is wolfspraul in? 2011-12-20 02:52 akiwiguy|dv6: thanks 2011-12-20 02:53 akiwiguy|dv6: (wolfspraul) afaik it's either germany or china. probably the former now, but I'm not sure 2011-12-20 02:53 hmm 2011-12-20 02:53 one of my friends in germany is still awake 2011-12-20 02:54 his rdns (.t-dialin.net) means it's probably germany 2011-12-20 02:55 though he is a uni student and tends to never sleep very much ever 2011-12-20 03:05 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 03:34 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a42c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.66.195] has quit [#qi-hardware] 2011-12-20 04:27 time to learn kicad. 2011-12-20 04:30 (or maybe geda?..) 2011-12-20 04:36 (roomie) you'd normally indicate whose roommate this is, which would resolve any ambiguity 2011-12-20 04:40 wpwrak: I'm translating a webcomic, and it is used like a name 2011-12-20 04:40 but there's no equivalent grammatical/lexical construct in Russian 2011-12-20 04:40 i.e. you cannot say "roomie" where you'd normally say a name so that it won't sound weird 2011-12-20 04:41 even worse, there is no equivalent to affectionate diminutive form of "roommate" at all 2011-12-20 04:41 at least anything that won't sound archaic 2011-12-20 04:42 ah, the joy of translating idiomatic uses from one language to another :) 2011-12-20 04:43 the worst of all, it's the protagonist :D 2011-12-20 04:43 *the protagonist's name 2011-12-20 04:44 http://gogetaroomie.chloe-art.com/, through I doubt you'll be interested. I'm doing that mostly because of the challenge of translation 2011-12-20 04:48 more on-topic 2011-12-20 04:48 I'm currently looking at gEDA 2011-12-20 04:48 particularly gschem 2011-12-20 04:49 looks like it can do anything I ever wanted Eagle to do 2011-12-20 04:49 and it has a slightly less braindead approach to components 2011-12-20 04:49 i.e. separate symbol and packages 2011-12-20 04:49 and, finally, a selector where you can find anything in less than a hour 2011-12-20 04:51 what do you think about it? is gschem/gpcb or kicad a way to go? 2011-12-20 05:01 many years ago, i used gEDA a bit and found its schematics capture inconvenient and the layout tool usable but not really scalable. then kicad came along and i swiched. didn't look back. 2011-12-20 05:04 qwebirc64644 [qwebirc64644!4766dbba@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.102.219.186] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 05:05 Just saw this, and pimped it on my G+ account [ronkjeffries] 2011-12-20 05:06 switchsmart@freenode and http://www.switchsmart.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page 2011-12-20 05:06 * GordonFreeman wondering why there isn't any non crap pcb editor for linux 2011-12-20 05:09 eagle and kicad. 2011-12-20 05:09 GordonFreeman: kicad's pcbnew is pretty decent. just lacks a push router. 2011-12-20 05:09 eagle is opensource now? 2011-12-20 05:10 geda has nice ideas but its like having duplo when you know lego technic 2011-12-20 05:10 ;-)) 2011-12-20 05:10 GordonFreeman: nope. but its avail for linux 2011-12-20 05:10 aha i see 2011-12-20 05:10 tried kicad like 1 years ago, and it was crap then 2011-12-20 05:11 v6 switched the fileformat to xml to allow 3rd party tools access stuff easier 2011-12-20 05:11 on eagle.. but its still a closed commercial app 2011-12-20 05:11 and there is that "PCB" named thing, but still unusable 2011-12-20 05:12 probably coder electronic engineers don't use linux, and don't write pcb editors 2011-12-20 05:13 while some are still complaining, others have been making working circuits for years with it. ymmv ;-) 2011-12-20 05:13 wpwrak doesn't us "crap" tools. He makes 'em dance. the limbo. 2011-12-20 05:14 i'd never start using some junk 2011-12-20 05:14 wpwrak: ack. we use eagle atm but also with a full license file (ccc has some 30+ seats) 2011-12-20 05:14 s/us/use 2011-12-20 05:14 rjeffries meant: "wpwrak doesn't use "crap" tools. He makes 'em dance. the limbo." 2011-12-20 05:14 btw x-fig was almost usable as a schematic designer 2011-12-20 05:15 i'd like using kicad but it needs to be much more 'release-y' that it would work for colaborating in my circles.. everybody has some 5.3x eagle... 2011-12-20 05:15 roh: i wouldn't touch non-free tools, though :) we did quite a few enhancements in kicad 2011-12-20 05:15 it only has minor lolnesses, like i had to hack the scroll directions 2011-12-20 05:15 and it would need additional logic 2011-12-20 05:15 wpwrak: sure.. no questions... my issue is that i cannot define what other people use. and since i do not want to build some git-revision of kicad for osx and win32.... 2011-12-20 05:16 wpwrak<< are you kicad dev? 2011-12-20 05:16 GordonFreeman: on opensource every real user is a dev ;) 2011-12-20 05:16 no, a user is a user 2011-12-20 05:17 GordonFreeman: i've contributed some small things over the years. e.g., the "magnetic" pads and traces 2011-12-20 05:17 GordonFreeman: you have to read the last sentence in a 'in soviet russia'-voice *veg* 2011-12-20 05:17 roh<< a user does not even have to know anything about programming 2011-12-20 05:18 heh. you are so naive.. somehow i envy that *ducks* 2011-12-20 05:21 but in the end that would explain a lot of badly designed hw... people on the CAE who do not code also. 2011-12-20 05:22 i believe most pcb software are crap because programmers don't design pcbs 2011-12-20 05:22 hm. any ideas about a good gif editor for linux? for doing animated icons etc... gimp works but somehow its not 'it' for such stuff 2011-12-20 05:22 even if they are good programmers 2011-12-20 05:23 imagemagick 2011-12-20 05:23 inkscape 2011-12-20 05:23 not pixel editors. converters i have plenty 2011-12-20 05:24 i need easier copying/stiching over multiple frames.. duplicating layers and pushing pixels manually isnt it... i am missing animation features like moving masks of objects for 'n' frames etc 2011-12-20 05:24 imagemagick can convert 2011-12-20 05:24 scriptable. 2011-12-20 05:24 its still no editor 2011-12-20 05:25 sure it does not protect against that 2011-12-20 05:26 061324] the file Makefile is created from Makefile.in? 2011-12-20 05:26 [061350] ./configure 2011-12-20 05:26 [061409] like any normal linux software 2011-12-20 05:26 [061415] but the file Makefile.in is very simple 2011-12-20 05:26 roh: maybe http://www.pencil-animation.org/ ? 2011-12-20 05:26 why do i bother;/ 2011-12-20 05:34 pabs3: hm.. worth a try 2011-12-20 05:34 will test synfig ktoon and pencil 2011-12-20 05:36 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a42c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.66.195] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 05:36 synfig is vector stuff 2011-12-20 05:45 DocScrutinizer [DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 05:46 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 05:59 hm.. ktoon and pencil isnt it 2011-12-20 05:59 feels weird and incomplete 2011-12-20 06:15 synfigstudio seems nice, but needs more time to understand 2011-12-20 06:16 i guess i could just dissect all my animated item elements into atomics and then make them layers which only get transformed from frame to frame in synfig 2011-12-20 06:16 what are you trying to create? 2011-12-20 06:19 animated icons. googling for 'sprite editor' doesnt help much 2011-12-20 06:27 skynet-2000 [skynet-2000!~skynet-20@unaffiliated/skynet2000] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 06:28 looked at ASEPRITE? http://www.aseprite.org 2011-12-20 06:33 ah. no.. will try *compile* 2011-12-20 06:37 first result on Google :) 2011-12-20 06:40 the wikipedia page mentions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrafX2 2011-12-20 06:49 skynet-2000 [skynet-2000!~skynet-20@unaffiliated/skynet2000] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 06:59 asesprite seems nice, but it feels like booting an amiga 2011-12-20 07:02 will play with it again tomorrow/later... somehow it is 8am again *sigh* 2011-12-20 07:27 roh: grafx2 is excellent for old style pixel art, and looks even more like an old amiga program 2011-12-20 07:29 roh: iirc aseprite runs on the nanonote, however 2011-12-20 07:31 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 07:32 hm, there is a Debian RFP for aseprite 2011-12-20 07:33 akiwiguy|dv6: yes, in Germany 2011-12-20 07:33 wolfspraul: hello! 2011-12-20 07:33 hi :-) 2011-12-20 07:34 i'm ready to buy my NanoNote :D 2011-12-20 07:34 excellent, thanks! 2011-12-20 07:34 as usual that makes me both happy to have found another community member, and nervous that the Ben will meet your expectations :-) 2011-12-20 07:35 I know too many details about the manufacturing process, so the joy is always a bit dampened... 2011-12-20 07:35 hehe 2011-12-20 07:35 better to buy a 'perfect' product from the store, right? ;-) 2011-12-20 07:35 Nope. 2011-12-20 07:35 Community and open sourcery > anything you can get in a retail store. 2011-12-20 07:45 akiwiguy` [akiwiguy`!765a002a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.0.42] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 07:45 Ugh, my internet died again... 2011-12-20 07:53 stefan_schmidt [stefan_schmidt!~stefan@2001:638:602:1183:f2de:f1ff:fe62:28f7] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 08:18 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@vulture2-nat-41.telecom.by] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 08:40 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a002a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.0.42] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 09:23 tonghuix [tonghuix!~tonghuix@210.76.109.189] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 09:56 mstevens [mstevens!~mstevens@fsf/member/pdpc.active.mstevens] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 10:05 akiwidroid [akiwidroid!~akiwiguy_@ip-118-90-0-42.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 10:13 akiwiguy_phone1 [akiwiguy_phone1!~akiwiguy_@121.90.85.107] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 10:33 akiwidroid [akiwidroid!~akiwiguy_@ip-118-90-0-42.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 10:53 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AF7AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 10:53 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AF7AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 11:00 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AF7AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 11:36 jivs [jivs!~jivs@193.63.24.60] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 11:43 cladamw [cladamw!~adamwang@host-222.80-43-115.dynamic.totalbb.net.tw] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 11:44 akiwiguy|dv6 [akiwiguy|dv6!765a002a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.118.90.0.42] has quit [#qi-hardware] 2011-12-20 12:34 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AF7AE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 12:42 jekhor [jekhor!~jek@mx2.promwad.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 12:47 wolfspraul [wolfspraul!~wolfsprau@p5B0AAD9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:10 akiwiguy_phone1 [akiwiguy_phone1!~akiwiguy_@ip-118-90-0-42.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:12 akiwidroid [akiwidroid!~akiwiguy_@unaffiliated/akiwiguy] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:19 akiwiguy_phone1 [akiwiguy_phone1!~akiwiguy_@203.135.225.49.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:20 akiwidroid [akiwidroid!~akiwiguy_@unaffiliated/akiwiguy] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:22 akiwidroid [akiwidroid!~akiwiguy_@unaffiliated/akiwiguy] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:32 antoniodariush [antoniodariush!~antonioda@nat-sta-smtc2.tvu.ac.uk] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:33 xiangfu [xiangfu!~xiangfu@fidelio.qi-hardware.com] has joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-20 13:53 steve|m [steve|m!~steve@osmocom/steve-m] has joined #qi-hardware