2011-12-01 00:17 rzk joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 00:20 erikkugel left #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 00:45 aw joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 00:45 aw_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 01:25 qwebirc33815 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 01:27 I've done a couple of orders to Seed Studio recently, small stuff such as sensors, and then yesterday a few cheap solar panels 2011-12-01 01:29 Seed has an impressive system where they automatically send reports on your order status via email. cool beans. I also ordered a Bus Pirate 2011-12-01 01:31 haven't e-mail updates on order status pretty much been standard for the last 10-20 years ? :) 2011-12-01 01:46 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 01:50 mth joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 01:51 tonghuix joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 02:34 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 02:58 mth joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 03:07 freakazoid0223 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 03:20 rzk joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 03:33 Openfree` joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 04:26 wpwrak maybe so, but Seed updates you through the process at each stage. In any case, they are easy to do business with IMO. 2011-12-01 04:28 that's all that counts :) 2011-12-01 05:16 meh, first day at waork a day off 2011-12-01 05:16 n8 2011-12-01 05:20 aw_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 05:20 aw joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 05:20 freakazoid0223 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 05:22 n8 2011-12-01 05:25 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 05:29 DocScrutinizer joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 05:53 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 06:48 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 07:34 jekhor joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 07:56 stefan_schmidt joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 08:47 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 08:50 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:05 SoulRaven joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:18 urandom__ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:35 kyak joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:35 kyak joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:39 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:42 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 09:53 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 10:18 jekhor joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 10:43 antoniodariush joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 10:48 kristoffer joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:04 can anyone suggest a good scope for $2000 USD? 2011-12-01 11:13 Ayla joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:25 preferably from somewhere like China to avoid the customs as much as it possible 2011-12-01 11:27 rzk joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:28 whitequark: channels, bandwidth, samples ... 2011-12-01 11:28 ? 2011-12-01 11:31 kuribas joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:39 wej joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:39 jivs joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:53 blogic: 2 channels, definitely need 48MHz digital, best if could handle 133MHz of PCI-E 2011-12-01 11:54 so I guess that'd be somewhere near 300MHz 2011-12-01 11:54 and you want to get it as cheap as possible ? 2011-12-01 11:54 or as good as possible with max 2k ? 2011-12-01 11:54 well, a friend of mine has $2k from the company to buy a new scope 2011-12-01 11:54 i have gotten good results with rigol units 2011-12-01 11:54 they are semi pro i guess 2011-12-01 11:55 not like a hameg or textronik 2011-12-01 11:55 but they work 2011-12-01 11:55 and are payable 2011-12-01 11:55 well, I know about 1102e, but it's only 200m 2011-12-01 11:55 *100m 2011-12-01 11:55 there is a 200mhz version 2011-12-01 11:55 hm 2011-12-01 11:55 i used the 50mhz version with the 100mhz hack 2011-12-01 11:55 they work 2011-12-01 11:55 but dont expect it to be like a hameg 2011-12-01 11:55 yeah, I know about the hack 2011-12-01 11:55 I'll get one 1152 next month 2011-12-01 11:57 a bit off topic 2011-12-01 11:57 the other amazing tool that i started using recently is this 2011-12-01 11:57 http://www.saleae.com/logic/ 2011-12-01 11:57 best 150$ i spent in several years 2011-12-01 11:58 bit annoyed as the 16 channel version came out just after i ordered the 8 channel version 2011-12-01 11:58 +1 2011-12-01 11:58 still its a great tool and safed me several hours twice already 2011-12-01 11:58 ok ;) 2011-12-01 11:58 I like that a lot too. Also, native linux support 2011-12-01 11:58 yep 2011-12-01 11:58 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 11:58 don't need a logic analyzer now, but when will, I'll definitely go for saleae 2011-12-01 11:59 hehe 2011-12-01 11:59 it helped me debug spi flash drivers for openwrt 2011-12-01 11:59 http://www.rigolna.com/products/digital-oscilloscopes/ds1000ca/ds1302ca/ 2011-12-01 11:59 ^ this one seems reasonably good 2011-12-01 12:00 and there are $500 more to spend, e.g. for delivery and bribing of customs 2011-12-01 12:00 interseting 2011-12-01 12:00 which country doe it get posted to ? 2011-12-01 12:00 i mean where are you based 2011-12-01 12:00 russia 2011-12-01 12:01 and, yes, it sucks. 2011-12-01 12:01 ah cool 2011-12-01 12:01 what does ? 2011-12-01 12:01 anything, but the postal service especially does 2011-12-01 12:01 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:01 i just wondered about the "bribing" bit ;) 2011-12-01 12:01 ah ok ;) 2011-12-01 12:01 yeah 2011-12-01 12:01 I was dead serious 2011-12-01 12:01 i know 2011-12-01 12:06 blogic: you contacted me I think? 2011-12-01 12:06 here I am, happy, so... what can I do for you? :-) 2011-12-01 12:07 hrr hrr 2011-12-01 12:07 the best part is the happy bit 2011-12-01 12:08 i will switch to /pm if you dont mind to not flood the channel with of topic foo 2011-12-01 12:14 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:15 aw joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:15 aw_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:30 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:46 wej joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:52 whitequark: do you care about memory depth ? 2011-12-01 12:52 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 12:52 whitequark: the rigol CA series are fast but have only quite limited storage 2011-12-01 12:53 i.e., 5 kSa per channel: http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1302CA.html 2011-12-01 12:54 the B series is similar: up to 200 MHz and 4 analog channels, but only 8 kSa: http://www.tequipment.net/RigolDS1204B.html 2011-12-01 12:56 the D, E, C, and CD series all have deep memory. 500 kSa/channel. 2011-12-01 12:57 the D and E are successors of C and CD, with a higher sample rate. C and CD sample only at 200-400 MSa/s (2/1 channel), while D/E do 500M/1G 2011-12-01 12:59 C and E have two analog channels. CD and D have an additional 16 channel logic analyzer. it's not the greatest in the world, but it has its uses. 2011-12-01 13:09 wej joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:09 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:10 xiangfu_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:17 xiangfu: ping 2011-12-01 13:17 the wpan.mk i gave you has a bug in it 2011-12-01 13:17 blogic, pong 2011-12-01 13:18 i willupdate it today 2011-12-01 13:18 jivs found a bug 2011-12-01 13:18 oh. 2011-12-01 13:18 16:39 < blogic> the CONFIG_IEEE802154_DRIVER=y vs CONFIG_IEEE802154_DRIVERS=y looks like the candidate for the borkage 2011-12-01 13:18 (missing S ... DRIVER vs DRIVERS) 2011-12-01 13:19 might want to fix it in your repo. i am not sure where jivs pulled his tree from but assume it was qi tree 2011-12-01 13:21 xiangfu: the 2nd question is your 3.0 patches in patchwork.openwrt.org 2011-12-01 13:21 lars_: are you doing those patches ? 2011-12-01 13:22 Artyom joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:23 blogic, those two patches is out date. I think I should send the new patches. 2011-12-01 13:23 ok 2011-12-01 13:23 Hi Kristianpaul 2011-12-01 13:24 i will drop them from patchwork in that case if that is ok with you 2011-12-01 13:25 blogic, yes. sure. 2011-12-01 13:26 k 2011-12-01 13:27 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:28 AwAyla joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:29 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: wpan.mk: fix typo thanks blogic and jivs (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/fdd8393 2011-12-01 13:30 xiangfu: thx 2011-12-01 13:30 xiangfu: there is one more bug that i hope to track down today 2011-12-01 13:33 xiangfu_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 13:39 zear_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 14:09 wej joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 14:14 Artyom, hi 2011-12-01 14:30 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 14:35 woakas joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 15:01 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 15:14 erikkugel joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 15:21 Hi blogic 2011-12-01 15:22 Have you had time to try for the missing modules 2011-12-01 15:23 not yet 2011-12-01 15:23 i am hunting a gcc bug 2011-12-01 15:23 ok 2011-12-01 15:24 i think you mentioned we can try to manullay insmod the missing modules. 2011-12-01 15:24 If you guide me I will try that.. 2011-12-01 15:25 ok 2011-12-01 15:25 insmod /lib/modules/2.6.XY/*.ko 2011-12-01 15:25 call that like 5 times 2011-12-01 15:25 you will see errors 2011-12-01 15:25 but eventually all modules will be included 2011-12-01 15:25 its a crude and brutal way of doing it 2011-12-01 15:25 :D 2011-12-01 15:25 but it will work 2011-12-01 15:26 that on the toolchain? or ben 2011-12-01 15:26 ben 2011-12-01 15:27 okay, but mine is 3.0.0 , i think that normal isn;t it as i have new kernel.. 2011-12-01 15:27 yes 2011-12-01 15:27 insmod /lib/modules/3.0.0/*.ko 2011-12-01 15:28 insmod: can't insert '/lib/modules/3.0.0/af_802154.ko': File exists 2011-12-01 15:28 giving the same error each time... tried 5-6 times 2011-12-01 15:30 i think it accepted the spi_atben.ko one, 2011-12-01 15:31 mstevens joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 15:31 so they are all there now 2011-12-01 15:31 lsmod please and pastebin the result 2011-12-01 15:32 xiangfu joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 15:32 ok 2011-12-01 15:33 lsmod :- http://pastebin.com/z6h85XWC 2011-12-01 15:33 spi_atben is missing 2011-12-01 15:34 do a insmod on that file and see if you get an error 2011-12-01 15:34 (potentially call "dmesg" to see it) 2011-12-01 15:35 ok 2011-12-01 15:36 [ 290.240000] spi_atben spi_atben: Setting up ATBEN SPI 2011-12-01 15:36 [ 290.250000] spi spi32766.0: ATBEN ready for mischief (IRQ 164) 2011-12-01 15:37 spi_atben now appears on lsmod 2011-12-01 15:38 cool 2011-12-01 15:39 in theory a ifconfig -a should now show you some results 2011-12-01 15:39 this is how far i got with my setup last week :D 2011-12-01 15:39 did not get any further 2011-12-01 15:41 yes, hardwpan0 is there 2011-12-01 15:42 hmmm 2011-12-01 15:42 not sure then 2011-12-01 15:43 what interface did u got? 2011-12-01 15:44 i used a atusb dongle 2011-12-01 15:44 and i cant recall what it was called 2011-12-01 15:45 okay 2011-12-01 15:47 not sure but it needs to create some kind of tunnel as well.. 2011-12-01 15:48 anyway, it a step forward, i will play with this and report here if any progress... 2011-12-01 15:48 thanks blogic 2011-12-01 15:56 emeb joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 16:20 kristoffer joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 16:34 wpwrak: yeah, thanks for the comments, I'll think about it 2011-12-01 16:36 fossrox joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 16:37 blogic, I am comparing this new ben with another ben which has werner's hacked kernel and dirtpan installed 2011-12-01 16:37 i am wondering if we will still need those IZ commands from zigbee to get dirtpan working.. 2011-12-01 16:38 when i do iz assoc on the new ben, it says address registered. 2011-12-01 16:38 but the dirtpan command fails with error can't bind 802154 device... 2011-12-01 16:55 no idea 2011-12-01 16:55 you are now further in your venture than i am 2011-12-01 16:55 :D 2011-12-01 16:55 however i just fixed my gcc bug :D 2011-12-01 16:55 ok cool 2011-12-01 16:57 i will continue trying it, lets see how far i can go :-) 2011-12-01 17:04 Jay7 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 17:22 wej joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 17:50 jekhor joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 17:55 urandom__ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 17:57 kilae joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 18:22 fossrox_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 18:30 erikkugel left #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:06 kristoffer joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:30 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:30 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:35 Freemor joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:40 antgreen joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 19:54 kuribas joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 20:03 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 20:25 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 20:42 B_Lizzard joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 20:50 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 21:16 kilae joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 21:19 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 21:36 arti joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 22:06 Ayla joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 22:18 arti left #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 22:26 rzk joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 22:39 DocScrutinizer: hey, how was day 1 ? 2011-12-01 22:40 kyak: btw, an idea for qi-bot: it could look for s/pattern/text/ and do the editing for us :) 2011-12-01 22:40 gleitzeit, ST-E hatte heute keine zeit fuer ein empfangscommitee 2011-12-01 22:41 ;-P 2011-12-01 22:41 1 day in debit already, on my worktime account 2011-12-01 22:42 funny :) 2011-12-01 22:44 now wondering if I find some sleep before tomorrow morning 2011-12-01 22:44 why not ? 2011-12-01 22:49 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 22:51 Jay7 joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 23:27 PiLeS joined #qi-hardware 2011-12-01 23:30 I get strangely excited 2011-12-01 23:31 and that doesn't help going to sleep at a time so early I could awake at the time I usually fall asleep 2011-12-01 23:37 OK I have a thought for you; should keep you awake all night :D 2011-12-01 23:37 Why does the xburst toolchain has to be bigger than the Ben's NAND? 2011-12-01 23:38 Now you try to sleep :P 2011-12-01 23:47 skynet-2000 joined #qi-hardware