2011-11-18 00:21 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: wow I didn't even knew there were 'reviews' in the shop :-)
2011-11-18 00:21 <wolfspraul> will replace creloaded with a very plain one anyway (thought not on top of list right now)
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2011-11-18 03:22 <wolfspraul> whitequark: testing a unicode char :-) 本 NanoNote
2011-11-18 03:22 <wolfspraul> let's see whether that comes out right in the logs in a little while
2011-11-18 03:23 <wolfspraul> maybe you are right and the utf-8 problem is already solved, then just my notes are outdated...
2011-11-18 03:29 <roh> heh. unicode and solved ;)
2011-11-18 03:29 <roh> sometimes you are really funny *g*
2011-11-18 03:40 <wolfspraul> something not solved?
2011-11-18 03:46 <wpwrak> that's chinese diode. see, that's why china dominates the electronics market today - they've known semiconductors for centuries already. they even have them in their font ;-)
2011-11-18 03:50 <wolfspraul> it sounded like roh thinks Unicode doesn't solve anything
2011-11-18 03:50 <wolfspraul> so I was curious to understand his point
2011-11-18 03:56 <wpwrak> i think he was just pleasantly surprised that unicode didn't cause trouble :)
2011-11-18 03:58 <wolfspraul> utf-8 seems to work well
2011-11-18 04:04 <wolfspraul> whitequark: cool, you are right!
2011-11-18 04:05 <wolfspraul> the utf-8 problems seems not to be in eggdrop, but the html generator
2011-11-18 04:05 <wolfspraul> the Chinese Ben character does not show up correctly (in my browser at least) on http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2011-11-18.log.html#t03:22
2011-11-18 04:05 <wolfspraul> but it does show correctly at http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2011-11-18#1321586529;
2011-11-18 04:08 <wolfspraul> for the links, I am wondering how we can keep the old links working if we switch to your view
2011-11-18 04:09 <wolfspraul> both seem to use timestamps, but the links we have right now only use the minute #thh:mm
2011-11-18 04:09 <wolfspraul> whereas yours go all the way to seconds and what not?
2011-11-18 04:10 <wolfspraul> I could do a regex redirect to take out the 't' and ':', but your engine would need to search for the next entry...
2011-11-18 04:10 <wolfspraul> for example http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2011-11-18#1321;
2011-11-18 04:10 <wolfspraul> can the #1321; automatically find the next entry, that is #1321586529; ?
2011-11-18 04:38 <roh> wolfspraul: irc has no concept of charset, so either its 7bit and it works for everyone, or you have some understanding to use utf8 like we do. or another charset. there is just no 'field' in irc which enables one to fetch which one it is automagically
2011-11-18 04:38 <roh> chinese diode :) yeah
2011-11-18 04:40 <roh> if we have a unicode console we can do also a bit of nice ui...
2011-11-18 04:40 <roh> ☑
2011-11-18 04:40 <roh> use ncurses_w ;)
2011-11-18 04:43 <wolfspraul> roh: that's ok but we can assume/define utf-8 to be our charset on this channel
2011-11-18 04:43 <wolfspraul> there goes your 'field'
2011-11-18 04:43 <roh> well.. yeah. manual mode
2011-11-18 04:44 <roh> 'inband signalling' (cause we talked about it)
2011-11-18 04:44 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-18 04:44 <wolfspraul> exactly
2011-11-18 05:05 <whitequark> wolfspraul: it's easy to fix the links
2011-11-18 05:06 <whitequark> just make a two-line js which will get the timestamp in #txx:xx format, convert it to unix one and redirect to my irclog
2011-11-18 05:06 <wolfspraul> yeah I think if you could make #1321; work I can see an upgrade path
2011-11-18 05:06 <wolfspraul> js?
2011-11-18 05:07 <wolfspraul> the link that already exists somewhere does not have all precision
2011-11-18 05:07 <wolfspraul> so best I can convert it to (without js, just regex Apache redirect) is #1321;
2011-11-18 05:07 <whitequark> wolfspraul: yes, and, as I've converted the html logs, my ones do not have all the precision
2011-11-18 05:07 <wolfspraul> but then you have to search for the next match, right now such a url won't find anything
2011-11-18 05:07 <whitequark> besides that
2011-11-18 05:08 <whitequark> the #hash part does not get to the webserver
2011-11-18 05:08 <whitequark> it's just on the client side
2011-11-18 05:08 <wolfspraul> that was my next question how well your system would work with simple text browsers or non-javascript browsers
2011-11-18 05:08 <wolfspraul> or wget, curl etc.
2011-11-18 05:09 <whitequark> wolfspraul: it handles both the simple browsers, in which case the #hash is handled by regular html means
2011-11-18 05:09 <whitequark> and the complex ones, in which it uses a JS handler
2011-11-18 05:09 <whitequark> graceful degradation FTW!
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2011-11-18 05:09 <wolfspraul> I still don't understand what to do with a link that only has minute precision
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2011-11-18 05:09 <whitequark> well
2011-11-18 05:10 <wolfspraul> the best I can convert it to is #1321;
2011-11-18 05:10 <whitequark> I was converting it to a corresponding unix timestamp with the seconds set to 00
2011-11-18 05:10 <whitequark> I offer a following solution
2011-11-18 05:10 <wolfspraul> http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2011-11-18#1321;
2011-11-18 05:11 <wolfspraul> doesn't work
2011-11-18 05:11 <whitequark> you make an apache redirect to a specially-crafted html page. That page will have a <meta refresh> for the JS-less browsers which will just redirect to whole day in my logger
2011-11-18 05:11 <whitequark> as you can't get a hash part on the webserver anyway, that's fine
2011-11-18 05:12 <whitequark> and also it will have JS code which will get the hash part on the client, then construct a proper unix timestamp and forward to #111222333 on my logger
2011-11-18 05:12 <wolfspraul> can you make your backend smarter in that a partial link like #1321; will search forward to the next match?
2011-11-18 05:12 <whitequark> wolfspraul: the #thh:mm part does not reach the webserver
2011-11-18 05:12 <whitequark> you can't make an apache redirect for it
2011-11-18 05:13 <whitequark> if you don't believe me, use tcpdump
2011-11-18 05:14 <whitequark> when a browser fetches something like http://google.com/#anchor, it sends an HTTP request to http://google.com/
2011-11-18 05:14 <wolfspraul> ah, yeah
2011-11-18 05:14 <whitequark> and then finds element with id="anchor" and scrolls to it
2011-11-18 05:14 <wolfspraul> skipped over that
2011-11-18 05:14 <wolfspraul> true true
2011-11-18 05:15 <wolfspraul> ok then, I rest my case until I thought it through :-)
2011-11-18 05:15 <whitequark> okay
2011-11-18 05:15 <wolfspraul> worst case we can break old links, I can probably find them in most places and update manually
2011-11-18 05:17 <whitequark> wolfspraul: as I've said: a simple JS snippet does the forwarding, nothing will be lost
2011-11-18 05:21 <whitequark> something like var re=/t(\d{2}):(\d{2})/;var t=re.match(document.hash);document.location="http://irclog.whitequark.org/$channel/$day/"+Date.parse("$day").setUTCHours(t[0], t[1]).getTime();
2011-11-18 05:21 <whitequark> I'm assuming that $channel is, well, channel and $date is yyyy-mm-dd
2011-11-18 05:28 <wolfspraul> I was talking with Jon about feeding the #qi-hardware channel into twitter
2011-11-18 05:29 <wolfspraul> that way I could finally solve my continued unwillingness to 'maintain' the qi-hardware feed on Twitter
2011-11-18 05:29 <wolfspraul> and surprisingly he thought it's a good idea
2011-11-18 05:29 <wolfspraul> I thought it would violate the twitter tos or be seen as rude or so
2011-11-18 05:29 <wolfspraul> but.. seems not
2011-11-18 05:31 <whitequark> that's insane
2011-11-18 05:31 <wolfspraul> he suggested a qi-noise feed though
2011-11-18 05:31 <wolfspraul> as for naming
2011-11-18 05:32 <whitequark> #qi-hw sometimes makes hundreds messages a day
2011-11-18 05:32 <wolfspraul> whitequark: what is insane? :-)
2011-11-18 05:32 <whitequark> no one would ever follow that
2011-11-18 05:32 <whitequark> at least no one you'd want to follow you
2011-11-18 05:32 <whitequark> i.e. men who know what to do with their time.
2011-11-18 05:32 <wolfspraul> depends on how people use twitter
2011-11-18 05:32 <whitequark> well I use it :D
2011-11-18 05:33 <wolfspraul> how many people do you follow, and how do you follow them? you read everything?
2011-11-18 05:33 <whitequark> I follow 34
2011-11-18 05:33 <whitequark> and yes, I read every tweet
2011-11-18 05:33 <whitequark> that's about 200 tweets a day, and that's more than enough
2011-11-18 05:34 <wolfspraul> do you follow #qi-hardware on Twitter?
2011-11-18 05:34 <whitequark> there are some news, like @lwn or @phoronix, and some random people, like classmates who're nevertheless interesting or e.g. @mislav
2011-11-18 05:34 <whitequark> hm
2011-11-18 05:34 <whitequark> didn't knew qi-hw has twitter
2011-11-18 05:34 <wolfspraul> Jon said 'make a new feed #qi-noise', so that wouldn't catch anybody following #qi-hardware by surprise
2011-11-18 05:35 <wolfspraul> oh it's pretty much dead/unmaintained
2011-11-18 05:35 <whitequark> well it doesn't
2011-11-18 05:35 <wolfspraul> and I enjoy more making irc work better than diving into the Twitter world
2011-11-18 05:35 <whitequark> no @qi_hardware account exists
2011-11-18 05:35 <whitequark> well, there are generally two twitter strategies
2011-11-18 05:36 <whitequark> 1) tell about interesting events, i.e. new devices, new firmwares etc. (the "convenient and useful way")
2011-11-18 05:36 <whitequark> that'll be relatively rare
2011-11-18 05:37 <whitequark> 2) tell about every fly that's got in your office (the "I'm a 13-year-old girl way")
2011-11-18 05:37 <wolfspraul> we could have some command in irc to trigger that
2011-11-18 05:37 <whitequark> yes, this is much better
2011-11-18 05:37 <whitequark> and a whitelist I think
2011-11-18 05:37 <whitequark> so that a random spammer couldn't spoil official account
2011-11-18 05:38 <wolfspraul> so every line could go to qi-noise, but you need some command to make it show up in qi-hardware
2011-11-18 05:38 <wolfspraul> nah I wouldn't want to maintain a whitelist, better to just have a well behaved community culture
2011-11-18 05:38 <whitequark> I doubt that @qi-noise should ever exist
2011-11-18 05:38 <whitequark> for what?
2011-11-18 05:39 <whitequark> unlike irc, twitter has a timeline, where each message takes pretty much space, and is spawning desktop notifications
2011-11-18 05:40 <wolfspraul> I know little about Twitter customs and behavior, so I take your word for granted.
2011-11-18 05:40 <wolfspraul> how about people following certain hash tags/themes
2011-11-18 05:40 <whitequark> you may also ask ronkjeffries
2011-11-18 05:41 <wolfspraul> if we had a qi-noise where each irc line would go to, that would be a way to connect to that
2011-11-18 05:41 <whitequark> wolfspraul: hashtags generally follow the two described strategies
2011-11-18 05:42 <whitequark> either it's some random nonsense like #welovejustinbieber
2011-11-18 05:42 <whitequark> or a carefully prepared tweet with proper length, embedded links etc.
2011-11-18 05:42 <wolfspraul> ok, but if we would setup a qi-noise feed and pump all irc messages into that, it would allow people following hashtags to see stuff they are interested in, no?
2011-11-18 05:43 <whitequark> it would have way too low SND
2011-11-18 05:43 <whitequark> *SNR
2011-11-18 05:44 <whitequark> I don't know anyone who actually follows some hashtag
2011-11-18 05:44 <whitequark> (know != follow)
2011-11-18 05:44 <wolfspraul> if nobody follows, why do they exist?
2011-11-18 05:44 <whitequark> hashtags generally have a lot of traffic with them
2011-11-18 05:45 <wolfspraul> I think it's a common usage, at least from what I hear
2011-11-18 05:45 <whitequark> "do not follow" like in "follow people"
2011-11-18 05:45 <whitequark> hashtag is just an explicit keyword
2011-11-18 05:45 <whitequark> it allows you to search quickly for latest news on trending topics
2011-11-18 05:45 <wolfspraul> ok, first and best idea is to have some command that makes an 'official' tweet on qi-hardware
2011-11-18 05:45 <whitequark> technically that's fine and corresponds with the way twitter works
2011-11-18 05:46 <whitequark> I'm just concerned a bit about social issues
2011-11-18 05:46 <whitequark> but well, I'm not the owner of qi-hw
2011-11-18 05:46 <wolfspraul> but some people seem to be in some sort of frenzy to post as many messages as possible
2011-11-18 05:46 <wolfspraul> every few minutes
2011-11-18 05:46 <wolfspraul> one would almost want to recommend a good mental health doctor to them :-)
2011-11-18 05:47 <whitequark> yep
2011-11-18 05:47 <whitequark> and that's exactly why qi-hw should not behave the same way
2011-11-18 05:47 <whitequark> they're annying and look silly
2011-11-18 05:47 <whitequark> only the... similar people do follow them
2011-11-18 05:47 <whitequark> I guess to raise one's self-esteem...
2011-11-18 05:48 <wolfspraul> and then they are happy when they reach 10k posts, 20k, etc.
2011-11-18 05:48 <wolfspraul> oh sure, no need to do that so your feedback and really very appreciated
2011-11-18 05:48 <whitequark> and they follow thousands of people
2011-11-18 05:48 <wolfspraul> and actually read none of it, let alone think
2011-11-18 05:48 <whitequark> no man on earth could ever read 10k+ tweets a day
2011-11-18 05:48 <whitequark> pointless tweets :D
2011-11-18 05:48 <wolfspraul> that's why I thought feeding the entire irc feed in there could make them happy :-)
2011-11-18 05:49 * whitequark facepalms
2011-11-18 05:49 <whitequark> does you have a need in a flock of idiots flooding #qi-hw?
2011-11-18 05:49 <whitequark> *do
2011-11-18 05:50 <whitequark> I doubt that :)
2011-11-18 05:50 <wolfspraul> that's tempting
2011-11-18 05:51 <wolfspraul> ok anyway, we are joking. yes, it should serve some good purpose. we have some degree of responsibility to use those tools wisely, I think.
2011-11-18 05:51 <whitequark> exactly
2011-11-18 05:51 <wolfspraul> so... if we ever do this, then first just with some command to qi-bot that routes to the qi-hardware twitter feed
2011-11-18 05:51 <wolfspraul> but no whitelist
2011-11-18 05:52 <wolfspraul> I hope that we share enough common ground for that not to be needed.
2011-11-18 05:52 <wolfspraul> and I would encourage anyone who has any interesting/bigger thing to announce or say about qi hardware to just use that command
2011-11-18 05:52 <whitequark> hm
2011-11-18 05:52 <wolfspraul> which we don't have anyway right now, so it's just a plan
2011-11-18 05:52 <whitequark> IRC is less known these days
2011-11-18 05:52 <whitequark> so I guess that may work
2011-11-18 05:53 <whitequark> I heard that ten years ago it was as popular as facebook (compared to the size of internet audience)
2011-11-18 05:53 <whitequark> (I'm 18 btw)
2011-11-18 05:53 <wolfspraul> hmm
2011-11-18 05:54 <wolfspraul> what about the absolute number of users?
2011-11-18 05:54 <wolfspraul> I think irc was always underground/techie
2011-11-18 05:54 <whitequark> that may be just the russian specifity
2011-11-18 05:54 <wolfspraul> there were others like iqc or so that were big, aol messenger? (I forgot)
2011-11-18 05:54 <whitequark> icq=aol
2011-11-18 05:55 <wolfspraul> icq, yeah
2011-11-18 05:55 <whitequark> well I don't believe my eyes
2011-11-18 05:55 <wolfspraul> how is the absolute number of irc users developing? I don't know
2011-11-18 05:55 <wolfspraul> what i find interesting about the model is that the big servers mostly seem to be community supported
2011-11-18 05:55 <wolfspraul> an amazing achievement
2011-11-18 05:55 <whitequark> I've finally met someone who not only does not hate icq, but hardly knows what's it
2011-11-18 05:56 <whitequark> then, I guess, that irc statistics is indeed the russian specifity. 5 years ago, everyone knows what icq is and greatly overuses it
2011-11-18 05:56 <whitequark> and mIRC is a popular blonde-talking toolpiece of software
2011-11-18 05:57 <whitequark> *piece
2011-11-18 05:57 <whitequark> maybe it's because providers had not charged for the access to it in the dialup times or whatever. I don't actually know
2011-11-18 05:58 <whitequark> whew
2011-11-18 05:58 <whitequark> google even knows that "мирка", a russian slang word for mIRC, corresponds to the program's name
2011-11-18 05:58 <wolfspraul> ok but how about absolute irc usage?
2011-11-18 05:58 <wolfspraul> let me quickly check whether there are freenode stats...
2011-11-18 05:59 <kyak> there are global irc stats sites overthere..
2011-11-18 05:59 <whitequark> first, icq has eaten almost all of the non-techie part of market years ago
2011-11-18 05:59 <kyak> the number of users has dropped much
2011-11-18 05:59 <whitequark> and then gtalk with facebook (and its clones) came in and finished that
2011-11-18 05:59 <wolfspraul> "In 1998, the network had about 200 users and less than 20 channels. Ten years down the line the network currently peaks at just over 70,000 users"
2011-11-18 06:00 <xiangfu> kyak, the i386 SDK and toolchian is building. so it will be on server in next 24 hours. :) after build success I will send one email to list.
2011-11-18 06:00 <whitequark> wolfspraul: that's just freenode
2011-11-18 06:00 <kyak> icq is dead, too (if compared to what it used to be several years ago, in terms of amount of users)
2011-11-18 06:00 <kyak> xiangfu: cool :)
2011-11-18 06:00 <wolfspraul> so what's our conclusion now? sorry got lost. irc is dead?
2011-11-18 06:01 <whitequark> kyak: why "too"? irc isn't dead, it just has a well-defined audience
2011-11-18 06:01 <xiangfu> kyak, just sent out the new release email. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Release-2-11-11-13-2.JPG :)
2011-11-18 06:01 <wolfspraul> we discuss that irc is dead on an irc channel?
2011-11-18 06:01 <whitequark> kyak: and thankfully it does not include the majority of internet users
2011-11-18 06:01 <kyak> whitequark: irc is well dead
2011-11-18 06:01 <wolfspraul> ok
2011-11-18 06:01 <kyak> we are the mammoth :)
2011-11-18 06:01 <wolfspraul> lemme work on a temporary couple-year eggdrop module to feed twitter, while that's the hype
2011-11-18 06:01 <whitequark> kyak: I do not agree.
2011-11-18 06:02 <wolfspraul> not even worth upstreaming, so temporary it is :-)
2011-11-18 06:02 <kyak> 2000-2004 were the golden age of irc
2011-11-18 06:02 <whitequark> wolfspraul: I bet someone already wrote that
2011-11-18 06:02 <kristianpaul> oh, qi-hw , that milkymist on the left call atention for sure
2011-11-18 06:02 <whitequark> wolfspraul: also the twitter API isn't quite trivial
2011-11-18 06:02 <kyak> there are twitter to irc eggdrop scripts, if that's what yo uare looking for
2011-11-18 06:03 <wolfspraul> how about the other way round?
2011-11-18 06:03 <whitequark> kyak: the ones which I have found atm are all using API v1
2011-11-18 06:03 <whitequark> i.e. the "easy http one"
2011-11-18 06:03 <kyak> wolfspraul: the other way around, too
2011-11-18 06:03 <whitequark> which has been removed afaik
2011-11-18 06:03 <wolfspraul> we want some command here in the channel that allows us to send to the qi-hardware twitter feed
2011-11-18 06:03 <whitequark> ah, twitter to irc.
2011-11-18 06:03 <kyak> whitequark: there are ones using oath api
2011-11-18 06:05 <kyak> http://forum.egghelp.org/viewtopic.php?t=17556&highlight=twitter
2011-11-18 06:05 <kyak> how about this one?
2011-11-18 06:05 <kristianpaul> hum...maybe the white background , but i dont dicuss on likes
2011-11-18 06:06 <kyak> btw, twitter on irc. And you are saying irc is not dead? :)
2011-11-18 06:06 <whitequark> kyak: twitter is a temporary hype
2011-11-18 06:07 <kristianpaul> oh, sharim.org asterisk, what happened with freedom diagram..
2011-11-18 06:07 <kyak> whitequark: what is the purpose?
2011-11-18 06:07 <whitequark> kyak: I dunno
2011-11-18 06:08 <kristianpaul> i'm not against that link but, i wonder how is related to the goals green block
2011-11-18 06:08 <wolfspraul> kyak: the purpose is that everybody is able to quickly send a tweet to the qi-hardware twitter feed without having to deal with the twitter gui or apps
2011-11-18 06:08 <kyak> whitequark: i mean, what is the purpose of posting to twitter from irc?
2011-11-18 06:08 <kyak> ah
2011-11-18 06:09 <wolfspraul> the way it is right now is that a few people have the password, but nobody posts (understandably :-)) for example I'm just too lazy to login
2011-11-18 06:09 <wolfspraul> first we thought we just pump the entire stream into twitter, but then whitequark said it's much better if that would happen only for selected messages, with some command to the bot
2011-11-18 06:10 <wolfspraul> as for dead or not, I don't think the whole world will converge around one means of communication, ever
2011-11-18 06:10 <wolfspraul> of course twitter is huge and growing
2011-11-18 06:10 <wolfspraul> and tons of others, here there, all sorts of things
2011-11-18 06:10 <wolfspraul> I think even sms is still growing
2011-11-18 06:11 <wolfspraul> and operator executives were laughing their asses off 15 years ago that their huge sms profits just wouldn't stop because users were so hooked to sending 20 cent messages that cost the network 0.01 cents to deliver
2011-11-18 06:11 <whitequark> 3g is growing, and jabber/gtalk/italk (or whatever you'll call it) has waaay much better UX than sms
2011-11-18 06:11 <wolfspraul> what i like about irc is the fact that it's decentralized and the servers are mostly operated by community
2011-11-18 06:11 <whitequark> yeah 0.01 cents is a huge exaggregation
2011-11-18 06:11 <wolfspraul> I find that amazing
2011-11-18 06:15 <wolfspraul> kyak: can you setup an eggdrop script to allow us to post to twitter?
2011-11-18 06:16 <wolfspraul> I can also just remember the url to the script you posted for the next chance I get to it
2011-11-18 06:16 <wolfspraul> it's not really urgent I think, but a nice idea imho
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2011-11-18 06:27 <wolfspraul> ok I added a todo item for now, good idea I think! http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Server_setup#To_Do
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2011-11-18 10:28 <kyak> wolfspraul: i can do that
2011-11-18 10:36 <kyak> gonna experiment with my own bot first..
2011-11-18 11:19 <wolfspraul> kyak: wonderful, thank you
2011-11-18 11:20 <wolfspraul> no rush on this, it's just an idea because I keep wondering what to do with our twitter account
2011-11-18 11:20 <wolfspraul> one day I was very close to just deleting it, but that felt wrong too
2011-11-18 11:24 <roh> heeeh
2011-11-18 11:24 <roh> have you seen these? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luwc_ejaLjw&NR=1
2011-11-18 11:29 <wpwrak> reading the irc/twitter discussion ...
2011-11-18 11:31 <wpwrak> twittering without using twitter. so it's basically like people eating at the table (irc). and every once in a while, someone drops a morsel under the table, for the dogs. that would be twitter. i find the analogy strangely satisfying :-)
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2011-11-18 11:31 <wolfspraul> I see it much more practical. there should be an easy way for anybody in the qi community to push out a quick tweet, without much ado
2011-11-18 11:32 <wolfspraul> for me it's not about a vs b, I don't care. I just irc because it's the best and most convenient for me.
2011-11-18 11:32 <wolfspraul> so I can finally send a tweet right here from the channel, phew
2011-11-18 11:32 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-18 11:33 <wolfspraul> and then Jon told me he liked the idea a lot and was at some point in time already planning a deeper irc/identica integration (which afaik didn't happen in the end or so far)
2011-11-18 11:34 <wpwrak> yeah, dunno about twitter. i know it exists and people i "follow" by other means gather information there
2011-11-18 11:36 <wpwrak> i rarely find any pointers to twitter useful, though. i.e., the one item linked to is very often all that's relevant there
2011-11-18 11:37 <wpwrak> regarding irc, it has become a conferencing tool. and it was never a "commercial mainstream" thing. so it's not surprising that the masses don't use it.
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2011-11-18 11:50 <xiangfu> wpwrak, we can connect people here to -> 'masses' by the eggdrop-twitter. if it's double way. that mean. people here(geek) <-- connect --> 'masses'
2011-11-18 11:51 <xiangfu> woakas, that is really cool idea.
2011-11-18 11:51 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, ^
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2011-11-18 11:52 <wpwrak> hmm, i somehow doubt we need a proxy "follower" ;-)
2011-11-18 11:52 <xiangfu> if the twitter reply message can forward to irc much cooler. or maybe all @sharism @qi-hardware message can forward to irc channel will be cool
2011-11-18 11:53 <xiangfu> kyak: there are too many social networking. if we can connect IRC with ping.fm will be cool.
2011-11-18 11:54 <wpwrak> but nobody posts there :)
2011-11-18 11:55 <xiangfu> wpwrak, wolfgang will do that. :)  if have this feature. you and I may also want do that. because it is so simple for people there.
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2011-11-18 11:55 <wpwrak> oh, i can see a point in having a means to push out messages to twitter. but you don't need a back channel, since the original message wuold be here anyway
2011-11-18 11:56 <kyak> xiangfu: let's start with twitter :)
2011-11-18 11:57 <xiangfu> kyak, yes. sure. I am just saying. software always can  get better. :)
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2011-11-18 12:47 <kyak> !tweet a cautious test
2011-11-18 12:47 <qi-bot> unable to convert date-time string "2011-11-18 12:47:10 +0000"
2011-11-18 12:47 <kyak> !tweet a cautious test 2
2011-11-18 12:47 <qi-bot> Tweet created: http://twitter.com/qihardware ( 137512342425575424@qihardware - 1s ago via qi-bot )
2011-11-18 12:48 <qi-bot> Jon Phillips: Wolfgang told me I'm too nice and I need to ask people and clients for money more often :) Ok, hire @fabricatorz @sharism @qihardware :) ( 131619302020366336@rejon - 2w,  2d,  6h,  17m ago via Ping.fm )
2011-11-18 12:48 <qi-bot> Pinguins Móveis: Pinguins Móveis 24x7 já saiu! http://t.co/A8NShcjv ▸ Principais notícias de hoje via @qihardware ( 133557904149192707@pinguinsmoveis - 1w,  3d,  21h,  53m,  41s ago via Paper.li )
2011-11-18 12:48 <qi-bot> Michael McRoberts: TFI Friday!! #FF @4sqHackCardiff @AbstractCode @_hannahcat @_laughingsquid @charavel @qandrew @qihardware @23Becka @_radiowaves @5tevenw ( 134904790961487874@TheArduinoGuy - 1w,  4h,  41m,  38s ago via Twitter for Mac )
2011-11-18 12:48 <qi-bot> sunnysujan: Copyleft=A great idea=invention.Copyleft Hardware=A great new idea sustainably & scalably executed=innovation #ICT4D @qihardware #Nanonote ( 135741867613626369@sunnysujan - 4d,  21h,  15m,  24s ago via web )
2011-11-18 12:48 <xiangfu> kyak, wow.
2011-11-18 12:48 <kyak> now, if someone could @mention qihardware to see if it works back?
2011-11-18 12:50 <kyak> users allowed to post from the channel need to added by hand.. i think this is reasonable... so whoever want to post, please tell me
2011-11-18 12:51 <qi-bot> xiangfu: @qihardware test for kyak's irc twitter bot. thanks kyak ( 137513057772507137@xiangfu - 19s ago via Ping.fm )
2011-11-18 12:51 <kyak> nice :)
2011-11-18 12:51 <kyak> xiangfu: and it's not my script, thanks go to someone else
2011-11-18 12:56 <whitequark> !tweet does this really work?
2011-11-18 12:56 <qi-bot> You are not able to tweet in #qi-hardware. You must have (vogmn|vogmn flags), or be (op voice) in #qi-hardware. Both of which you aren't. :P
2011-11-18 12:56 <whitequark> heh
2011-11-18 12:57 <kyak> whitequark: one more time :)
2011-11-18 12:57 <whitequark> !tweet does this really work now?
2011-11-18 12:58 <qi-bot> You are not able to tweet in #qi-hardware. You must have (vogmn|vogmn flags), or be (op voice) in #qi-hardware. Both of which you aren't. :P
2011-11-18 12:58 <kyak> hm
2011-11-18 12:59 <xiangfu> now. it's kyak's bot. :)
2011-11-18 13:00 <kyak> whitequark: and one more time :)
2011-11-18 13:02 <kyak> xiangfu: you can try, too
2011-11-18 13:03 <wolfspraul> kyak: can't you allow anyone in the channel to tweet?
2011-11-18 13:04 <xiangfu> !tweet a new release 2011-11-13 for Ben Nanonote come out. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#Image_2011-11-13
2011-11-18 13:04 <qi-bot> You are not able to tweet in #qi-hardware. You must have (vogmn|vogmn flags), or be (op voice) in #qi-hardware. Both of which you aren't. :P
2011-11-18 13:04 <kyak> wolfspraul: i can, but it's not secure, how do you think?
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2011-11-18 13:04 <wolfspraul> I think it's secure
2011-11-18 13:05 <kyak> ok.. figure it out later.. need to go now
2011-11-18 13:05 <wolfspraul> sure, thanks a lot for taking it this far!
2011-11-18 13:05 <wolfspraul> yes, I believe we should open it up until we have actual cases of abuse, then we can think about the smartest way to address them
2011-11-18 13:06 <kyak> ok, it should be open now
2011-11-18 13:06 <kyak> and i need to go :)
2011-11-18 13:06 <wolfspraul> cya
2011-11-18 13:06 <wolfspraul> thanks again
2011-11-18 13:07 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: wanna try your release tweet again?
2011-11-18 13:07 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-18 13:11 <xiangfu> !tweet a new release 2011-11-13 for Ben Nanonote come out. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#Image_2011-11-13
2011-11-18 13:12 <wpwrak> "you must have vogon flags" ? seems appropriate. some of what qi-bot now spews out sounds like vogon lyrics :)
2011-11-18 13:15 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: nice quoute :)
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2011-11-18 13:21 <xiangfu> ok. it still only listen kyak's order.
2011-11-18 13:22 <kristianpaul> haha
2011-11-18 13:23 <kristianpaul> :-)
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2011-11-18 15:23 <kyak> ..and it should work now for everyone
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2011-11-18 17:16 <kristianpaul> !tweet Qi Hardware is sharing hardware - We document all steps necessary to build hardware so anyone may join us or reproduce our hardware.
2011-11-18 17:16 <qi-bot> Tweet created: http://twitter.com/qihardware [truncated] (... or reproduce our ha>|<rdware....) ( 137579929704472577@qihardware - 0s ago via qi-bot )
2011-11-18 17:17 <kristianpaul> hum as i remind the message you be shirnked before post
2011-11-18 17:27 <wpwrak> you mean qi-bit should reject messages that are too long ?
2011-11-18 17:31 <kristianpaul> yes, and warning about it
2011-11-18 17:34 <wpwrak> naw, just silently drop. if it's still not there after ten minutes, you have warning enough :)
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2011-11-18 17:35 <kristianpaul> he
2011-11-18 17:35 <GNUtoo-dekstop> hi
2011-11-18 17:36 <GNUtoo-dekstop> how's the GPS going?
2011-11-18 17:36 <wpwrak> yeah, when does production start ? :)
2011-11-18 17:37 <kristianpaul> hi GNUtoo-dekstop
2011-11-18 17:38 <kristianpaul> acquisition and tracking are WIP
2011-11-18 17:38 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: as soon as position fix is achieved
2011-11-18 17:40 <wpwrak> heh :)
2011-11-18 17:41 <kristianpaul> ;-)
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2011-11-18 18:18 <kyak> kristianpaul: you can insert \n in your message to split it, i think
2011-11-18 18:29 <kristianpaul> GNUtoo-dekstop: the idea and curret work is to have a dedicated base band procesor that will acquire and track signals the the navigation data could be extracted and be procesed by other cpu in order to get a fix point
2011-11-18 18:30 <kristianpaul> all inside the fpga and using mikymist core as a base of course
2011-11-18 18:31 <GNUtoo-dekstop> ok
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