2011-11-17 14:51 ok, archive conversion is complete 2011-11-17 14:52 http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware 2011-11-17 14:52 whitequark: cool, great initiative, thanks a lot! 2011-11-17 14:53 who is logged there? 2011-11-17 14:53 whitequark: how about the #milkymist and #homecmos logs? 2011-11-17 14:53 wolfspraul: no problem 2011-11-17 14:54 can you point me to urls? 2011-11-17 14:54 ah, already found 2011-11-17 14:55 stefan_schmidt joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 14:59 aisa joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 15:00 Artyom, hey, gps clock working now wiht milkymist, still some freezes but for now it seems boot to bios ;) 2011-11-17 15:02 C-Keen: what do you mean by "who"? The criteria for selecting channels? 2011-11-17 15:02 whitequark: I mean by "who" that stuff I type is not showing up in your logs 2011-11-17 15:03 C-Keen: http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2011-11-17#1321542159; 2011-11-17 15:03 ah k, nvm :) 2011-11-17 15:03 there was a small glitch due to conversion of old logs. a 40 Mb SQL file, mind you 2011-11-17 15:13 whitelogger joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 15:13 Topic for #qi-hardware is now Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs 2011-11-17 15:18 wolfspraul: done 2011-11-17 15:18 hm how can I switch off the audible terminal bell again? 2011-11-17 15:18 C-Keen: setterm -vbell off IRIC 2011-11-17 15:18 *IIRC 2011-11-17 15:19 ah no 2011-11-17 15:19 setterm -blength 0 2011-11-17 15:19 oh no, my mysql is red hot 2011-11-17 15:20 I guess the indexes were invented for a reason... 2011-11-17 15:22 thanks whitequark 2011-11-17 15:35 whitelogger joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 15:35 Topic for #qi-hardware is now Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs 2011-11-17 15:40 LunaVorax joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 15:42 Hello everyone! 2011-11-17 15:42 How is everyone doing? 2011-11-17 15:54 wpwrak: an attempt to make it more readable: http://kaunan.whitequark.org:4567/ 2011-11-17 15:57 nice works better, thanks !:) 2011-11-17 15:57 ok, then I'll put that to production 2011-11-17 15:58 done 2011-11-17 16:04 wolfspraul, wpwrak: ok, it looks like someone finally needs that piece of software. so feel free to poke me with any features 2011-11-17 16:07 rejon joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 16:15 a good feature will be cool to indentify thread talks in irc :) 2011-11-17 16:17 kristianpaul: thread talks? 2011-11-17 16:18 i.e. highlight a chain of messages replying to one another? 2011-11-17 16:20 I doubt this could be done automatically unless all participants always put the name of the one they're talking with at the start of message 2011-11-17 16:20 and not everyone has that habit 2011-11-17 16:20 semantical recognition with automatic summaries ? :) 2011-11-17 16:20 I think that for 99% of conversation two summaries would suffice 2011-11-17 16:20 like "bullshit" and "flamewar" 2011-11-17 16:21 *of conversations on irc 2011-11-17 16:21 so, that's not a very hard task 2011-11-17 16:22 hmm, i don't think it's quite so grim around here. but there are certainly channels where you'd be quite right :) 2011-11-17 16:22 yeah, not here indeed :) 2011-11-17 16:25 #qi-hw logs have circa 290000 messages 2011-11-17 16:26 203153, to be precise, including this one. 2011-11-17 16:33 whitequark: yes 2011-11-17 16:34 yes indded not here, but nice feature 2011-11-17 16:34 kristianpaul: well that's trivial to implement 2011-11-17 16:34 :D 2011-11-17 16:35 might be a bit cpu-hungry, through, but not a lot I guess 2011-11-17 16:35 hum 2011-11-17 16:36 irclog currently costs me like $0.15 a day 2011-11-17 16:36 i just now electricty bill at home is 10usd per month :) 2011-11-17 16:36 it's hosed on a VDS 2011-11-17 16:36 the whole VDS eats $0.5 2011-11-17 16:36 a day, that is 2011-11-17 16:37 *hosted 2011-11-17 16:37 i see 2011-11-17 16:43 rzk joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 17:09 mstevens joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 17:14 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 17:58 Artyom joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 18:07 kristianpaul: http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2011-11-17 and click on some yellow arrows. 2011-11-17 18:22 stefan_schmidt joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 18:34 kuribas joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 18:39 wpwrak: (semantic analysis) check out http://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/2011-11-17#1321483534-chain; 2011-11-17 18:40 so where the part where it summarizes ? "<...200 lines of mindless drivel...>" or such :) 2011-11-17 18:41 I only implemented semantic analysis :/ 2011-11-17 18:41 note the absence of nicks on several lines through 2011-11-17 18:42 as in or as in nick: ? 2011-11-17 18:42 the latter 2011-11-17 18:42 jekhor joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 18:43 ah, i guess i would only notice when comparing with the original :) 2011-11-17 18:44 well, there's a sophisticated algorithm which tracks the chains and tries to guess whether one had replied or not 2011-11-17 18:46 not bad 2011-11-17 18:46 nice 2011-11-17 18:47 does it reorder messages ? 2011-11-17 18:47 and it is realtime 2011-11-17 18:47 let's see 2011-11-17 18:48 you still have to reload, i guess 2011-11-17 18:48 yes 2011-11-17 19:01 hi KristianPaul! :) 2011-11-17 19:02 Artyom: hey 2011-11-17 19:03 I've read about your success ^) 2011-11-17 19:03 :) 2011-11-17 19:03 not quite, i still not understand why system hangs when i ran a bios read command (mr 0xa0000000) 2011-11-17 19:04 And I also have good news: I wrote e-mail to Carlos and he updated the code on github :) 2011-11-17 19:04 but i guess or is a simple mistake when disabling the usb core or milkymist soc timings are not friendly with a 65535 clock 2011-11-17 19:04 nice ! 2011-11-17 19:04 so you have a milkymist soc with sdram suport for your board? 2011-11-17 19:04 Now I could synthsis the SoC 2011-11-17 19:05 I have again questions ;) 2011-11-17 19:05 thats not a problem :) 2011-11-17 19:06 Where is bios stored? In flash? Or in block ram? Or it depends on some settings? 2011-11-17 19:06 it depends 2011-11-17 19:06 it shoudl be on flash, 2011-11-17 19:07 but as you saw the tdc-core port uses a block ram 2011-11-17 19:07 And how is it copied to flash? 2011-11-17 19:07 well, it depends on your board port :) 2011-11-17 19:07 for examplo, for the Milkymist One board 2011-11-17 19:07 there is something called fjmem 2011-11-17 19:08 its a bitstream (open source of course) 2011-11-17 19:08 that allow to write that NOR chip in the board 2011-11-17 19:08 as there is notaditiona MCU on the pcb 2011-11-17 19:08 And how this program works? What interface is used? 2011-11-17 19:09 for M1 is urjtag 2011-11-17 19:09 uart? 2011-11-17 19:09 fjmem talks with urjtag 2011-11-17 19:09 and what is urjtag? (didn't hear about it before) 2011-11-17 19:11 is a tool basically to talk some jtag based programers (as i understand) 2011-11-17 19:11 BTW bios is used only for testing? And if I need to run my program what should I do? 2011-11-17 19:11 so you can talk flash chips, or even cpu for debugging 2011-11-17 19:12 Artyom: bios couod be hacked to run your own programs.. :) 2011-11-17 19:12 if you need run own program well, you have three options 2011-11-17 19:12 1. link it again mmilkymist libc and include proper board intialization code (bios have then in boot.c if remenber well) 2011-11-17 19:13 steve|m joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:13 uwe_ joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:13 2. Link it agains rtems operating system (not evry recomended at early development stages?) 2011-11-17 19:13 uwe_mobile joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:13 3. Compile it for milkymist uclinux port 2011-11-17 19:14 Artyom: is this program osgps? :-) 2011-11-17 19:15 cause i think it can even be already "called" from the bios 2011-11-17 19:15 it dint havent threads or such isnt? 2011-11-17 19:15 have** 2011-11-17 19:15 At first I want to run bios. Then something like hello_world. And finally 2011-11-17 19:15 I want to test some OS 2011-11-17 19:16 RTEMS at first 2011-11-17 19:16 may be something else later 2011-11-17 19:16 hello world, let see there is one template somewhere.. 2011-11-17 19:18 http://www.lekernel.net/presentations/masteri2l/tp/tp_files.tar.bz2 2011-11-17 19:18 I also want to ask you about programs in "tools" folder. Where are they used? (what for?) 2011-11-17 19:18 check the base directory then main.c 2011-11-17 19:19 yes, well therare some tools 2011-11-17 19:19 for example flterm is used as a uart terminal and also to load binaries to milkymist 2011-11-17 19:21 wpwrak: what do you mean by reordering? 2011-11-17 19:21 and yes, it does every operation on client except for changing the date and searching 2011-11-17 19:22 300 lines of ruby and roughly the same amount of js 2011-11-17 19:22 makeraw is for migrating images so can be loaded by bios at startup like logo 2011-11-17 19:22 uart terminal = receives and transmits data through uart? And what does it mean "loads binaries to milkymist"? It loads binaries to milkymist flash? 2011-11-17 19:23 othes to generate crc i think.. 2011-11-17 19:24 no load to ram 2011-11-17 19:25 Artyom: 2011-11-17 19:25 http://www.milkymist.org/socdoc/paper_overview.pdf 2011-11-17 19:25 it uses its own handshake protocol 2011-11-17 19:25 so the bios ask for boot and flterm talks to ti and transmit binary 2011-11-17 19:27 whitequark: (reorder) does it change the sequence of messages. e.g., put this one below your question instead of after the other dialog by Artyom and kristianpaul ? 2011-11-17 19:31 as far as i can see not 2011-11-17 19:39 LunaVorax joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:46 DocScrutinizer: Hi, what you think about a 65535000 clock for a SoC, or what multiple of xx clocks are actually be? 2011-11-17 19:49 wpwrak, lars_: no it doesn't. I considered implementing it, but as the detection is less than perfect (and will always be so), such a feature will be very inconvenient 2011-11-17 19:50 and the way it works now, it does not prevent you from reading all possibly-incorrectly-not-detected messages 2011-11-17 19:50 kristianpaul: sorry you lost me 2011-11-17 19:50 good :) machines subtly changing semantic connections are scary :) 2011-11-17 19:50 and it seems my IRC bouncer or freenode is ill 2011-11-17 19:50 :-/ 2011-11-17 19:51 i was asking your opinion about what a a System On Chip clock is usually be, for example multiple of ie, 12 2011-11-17 19:52 arghh, usually is 2011-11-17 19:55 DocScrutinizer51 joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:55 dang feenode! chat.eu.freenode.net failed 2011-11-17 19:55 kicking the eu. part fixed it 2011-11-17 19:56 odd you still been pinged at DocScrutinizer 2011-11-17 19:56 14:56 CTCP PING reply from DocScrutinizer: 0.662 seconds 2011-11-17 19:56 thids is direct login, not via ZNC bouncer 2011-11-17 19:57 ah 2011-11-17 19:57 this however was dead 2011-11-17 19:57 Ayla joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:57 steve|m joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 19:58 -> #freenode, ttyl 2011-11-17 19:58 wolfspraul joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 20:10 he, what you do if can go back to the past http://lwn.net/Articles/467852/rss ? :) 2011-11-17 20:11 k, freenode says one server here has hickup, nice 2011-11-17 20:12 kristianpaul: sorry, I have no idea how to answer your question about clock 2011-11-17 20:13 cpu clock, time clock? what was the question? 2011-11-17 20:13 cpu clock 2011-11-17 20:13 still no question detected 2011-11-17 20:14 I think CPU runs usually on NNN MHz, which gets synthesized internally by a programmable PLL 2011-11-17 20:15 what are common values for a cpu clock? do they need to be multiple of a specific number(s)? 2011-11-17 20:15 yes 2011-11-17 20:15 from a xtal master clock that can be anything from 1 .. 1000MHz 2011-11-17 20:16 kristianpaul: what are valid values for cpu clock depends largely on what you can set the PLL dividers to 2011-11-17 20:16 there's no general rule 2011-11-17 20:16 ok,so thats a green light for my 65535000 Hz clock :-) 2011-11-17 20:17 Thansk! 2011-11-17 20:17 if the datasheet for your SoC agrees, then yes :-D 2011-11-17 20:17 milkymist dont have datasheet yet but you pointed one more excuse for starting one :) 2011-11-17 20:19 often secondary system clocks get generated from CPU clock by further dividers, and those can't handle arbitrary ratios to create a sane Example Given memory bus clock 2011-11-17 20:20 in new designs however this concept is frequently deprecated as it complicated cpufreq 2011-11-17 20:21 Ayla joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 20:21 on S3C2442 it been a nightmare to adjust CPU clock without messing up for example UART by glitches in clock 2011-11-17 20:22 kristianpaul: hmm, he may underestimate leadership skills. the whole BSD world also suffered from fragmentation due to incompatible egos. not sure this would have been different if the lawsuit hadn't happened. 2011-11-17 20:22 egos egos :-) 2011-11-17 20:23 kristianpaul: basically, BSD had all the old guys who had a turf to defend. Linux was something new, so few pre-existing hierarchies were imported. and linus never went egomaniac 2011-11-17 20:26 yes acepting patches not from the club is important 2011-11-17 20:28 DocScrutinizer51 joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 20:29 in those days, there was the expression "BSD du jour", suggesting the BSD forks would pop up on a daily basis. usually because some guys couldn't get along, so one forked and then could implement his ideas. in linux, this kind of forking never happened. if someone forks, it's usually a dead end and doesn't get much public attention 2011-11-17 20:29 Whois DocScrutinizer51 2011-11-17 20:29 err 2011-11-17 20:32 DocScrutinizer: identity crisis ? :) 2011-11-17 20:32 nah, checking server 2011-11-17 20:33 ZNC went apeshit when chat.eu.freenode.net each time again pointed to same server with a hickup, and timeout on login resulted 2011-11-17 20:33 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 20:34 now I'm on chat.freenode.net and got kornbluth.freenode.net (Frankfurt, Germany). So basically exactly what I wanted 2011-11-17 20:35 had to restart znc "the normalk way" via initscript, as the prov instance was shell interactive to read debug prints, and that time I got some server in Budapest 2011-11-17 21:15 Textmode joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 21:48 urandom__ joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 22:15 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 22:32 wejp joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 22:39 antgreen joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 22:55 whitelogger joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 22:55 Topic for #qi-hardware is now Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs 2011-11-17 22:59 DocScrutinizer joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 23:07 whitequark: maybe rename your logger so that "wh" doens't autocomplete to it instead of you ? a _ prefix (if that's allowed) may be good 2011-11-17 23:11 wpwrak: oh well. I've missed that fact 2011-11-17 23:13 _whitelogger joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 23:13 Topic for #qi-hardware is now Copyleft hardware - http://qi-hardware.com | hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben / atusb 802.15.4 wireless, and other community driven hw projects | public logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs 2011-11-17 23:13 kewl 2011-11-17 23:13 whitequark: much easier to talk to you this way :-) 2011-11-17 23:16 indeed 2011-11-17 23:30 aisa joined #qi-hardware 2011-11-17 23:44 wolfspraul: https://sharism.cc/shop/product_reviews.php?products_id=1 2011-11-17 23:44 "The m.." and then the censor struck ;-) clicking on the name produces a cheerful greeting from PHP