2011-11-16 01:08 <wolfspraul> good morning qiots
2011-11-16 01:09 <wolfspraul> DocScrutinizer51: congrats on your success! that is really fantastic news and they should be proud to have you
2011-11-16 01:09 <wolfspraul> meanwhile I hope you keep throwing a snippet of wisdom over the fence into our ocean of cluelessness sometimes :-)
2011-11-16 01:23 <DocScrutinizer> let's wait and see what results from today's interview
2011-11-16 01:23 <wolfspraul> ah, still interviewing?
2011-11-16 01:24 <wolfspraul> I thought the deal was sealed already :-)
2011-11-16 01:25 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I can push a bit on Ericsson actually selling "open" LTE modules, even when my possible position as "Master of $arbitrary bus" doesn't suggest I could do much in that direction
2011-11-16 01:27 <DocScrutinizer> not yet sealed, just highly likely to get signed next week
2011-11-16 01:29 <wolfspraul> you can try but I doubt you can get any openess beyond lip service
2011-11-16 01:29 <wolfspraul> I think raster at Samsung is also happily rationalizing himself as a freedom fighter inside Samsung with Samsung oh-so-wonderfully embracing open real-soon-now (tm)
2011-11-16 01:30 <wolfspraul> the reality of those corps is that they are under huge pressure to deliver continuous and demanding financial results, every quarter
2011-11-16 01:30 <wolfspraul> almost like a bank with a small engineering leftover :-)
2011-11-16 01:30 <DocScrutinizer> haha, no I don't think I can save the world :-D
2011-11-16 01:31 <wolfspraul> if I were to work for such a company on the mgmt side, I would find 'open' too risky
2011-11-16 01:31 <wolfspraul> rather just focus on the main and largest customers that are really driving volume today, and think about how to serve them and share investment costs among them
2011-11-16 01:32 <wolfspraul> I do see some pressure here and there though towards open APIs/SDKs etc.
2011-11-16 01:32 <wolfspraul> I guess the spiraling development costs cause some pain...
2011-11-16 01:32 <wolfspraul> interesting times ahead, you will have fun I'm sure
2011-11-16 01:32 <wolfspraul> (if it works out)
2011-11-16 01:33 <DocScrutinizer> but look, they build chips for LTE, I'm (or maybe will be) in the hw/sw R&D team and have full access to specs and src. I might be able to evaluate value of a particular chip for open hw/sw, and help on whatever obstacles get in the way on exploiting e.g some USB stick with that LTE module in it
2011-11-16 01:33 <wolfspraul> oh sure
2011-11-16 01:33 <wolfspraul> it's great for your brain and they will not be able to silence you :-)
2011-11-16 01:33 <wolfspraul> (and will not want to I'm sure)
2011-11-16 01:33 <wolfspraul> so you will learn very valuable things for everybody, us poor Qi fellows included
2011-11-16 01:34 <wolfspraul> for LTE and other high-end RF standard, I am most interested whether there is something that allows spontaneous networking among nodes
2011-11-16 01:35 <DocScrutinizer> hah, I guess that could only be done by some hacker firmware written for my own pleasure at a weekend ;-D
2011-11-16 01:37 <DocScrutinizer> loock, the very basic standards work with distincr bands for up- and down-stream, so two mobile equipments are fundamentally not capable of talking to each other
2011-11-16 01:37 <DocScrutinizer> look*
2011-11-16 01:37 <DocScrutinizer> both send on band A and receive on band B
2011-11-16 01:38 <wolfspraul> yes, I know
2011-11-16 01:38 <DocScrutinizer> though those bands are only some dozen MHz apart usually, the standard will not work for that OOTB and without severe hacks
2011-11-16 01:38 <wolfspraul> a lot of designs are inherently client-server
2011-11-16 01:39 <wolfspraul> it's built like this from day 1, because that's the only thing they think about anyway :-)
2011-11-16 01:39 <wolfspraul> peer2peer sounds like some hippie fantasy...
2011-11-16 01:40 <DocScrutinizer> then at least GSM is TDMA means it *needs* a central pacemaker clock
2011-11-16 01:40 <wolfspraul> but that doesn't change my thinking that I am interested in direct networking between peers
2011-11-16 01:40 <wolfspraul> at least the pile of things to look at shrinks dramatically once you make that requirement, true? :-)
2011-11-16 01:41 <wolfspraul> I find it 'asymmetric' (to use Werner's words) that I need a megacorp to wirelessly network with my friends
2011-11-16 01:42 <wolfspraul> so I'm interested in p2p rf options, if we can get that to work well it may allow us to make unique and good products
2011-11-16 01:42 <DocScrutinizer> there are dedicated "free" bands for such projects
2011-11-16 01:42 <wolfspraul> yes
2011-11-16 01:43 <wolfspraul> but we need chips, dedicated for that or hacked/modified
2011-11-16 01:45 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: hey, sounds like good news. pre-congratulations ! :) when will they let you know their decision ?
2011-11-16 01:45 <DocScrutinizer> next week
2011-11-16 01:45 <wpwrak> start on december 1st?
2011-11-16 01:46 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly 1st I think, that's a bit too short for all the paperwork in a 7000 man company, you know how things are handled there
2011-11-16 01:47 <wpwrak> heh :) so probably january then
2011-11-16 01:47 <wpwrak> good. so we have time to pick your brain some more :)
2011-11-16 01:47 <DocScrutinizer> nah, they explicitly asked me if I could start pre-Xmess
2011-11-16 01:48 <wpwrak> funny. they want to pay you for the holidays :)
2011-11-16 01:48 <wpwrak> ah wait. they're all on the weekend this year. clever :)
2011-11-16 01:48 <DocScrutinizer> I think this year holidays are perfect for *them*
2011-11-16 02:26 <wolfspraul> this looks interesting http://www.hughski.com/
2011-11-16 02:26 <wolfspraul> http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/11/13/introducing-the-colorhug-open-source-colorimeter/
2011-11-16 02:29 <wolfspraul> he's using geda, all sources there etc. https://gitorious.org/colorhug
2011-11-16 02:39 <DocScrutinizer> feels like Scotty, shouting "Computer, search route to Hauptmarkt!" at N9 with voicetogoog running
2011-11-16 07:28 <wpwrak> xiangfu: heh, a wiki page with 2000+ entries, just explaining how to exit each application. that would be fun ;-))
2011-11-16 07:28 <xiangfu> 
2011-11-16 07:31 <xiangfu> wpwrak, Hi. I have a kernel opps. needs your help.
2011-11-16 07:32 <wpwrak> what did you do to your kernel ? :)
2011-11-16 07:32 <xiangfu> wpwrak, those documents is not easy. hope we also have a magic 'apple' key can always go back to 'gmenu2x' maybe. :)
2011-11-16 07:33 <xiangfu> I trying very hard scp the demsg to downloads.qi-hardware.com
2011-11-16 07:33 <wpwrak> pastebin ?
2011-11-16 07:34 <xiangfu> the networks(openvpn) sometime very slow. ping give your 50% package loss. and 600+ms. 
2011-11-16 07:34 <xiangfu> here is hte dmesg: http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/tmp/dmesg
2011-11-16 07:34 <xiangfu> it's the ks7010 driver. 
2011-11-16 07:34 <xiangfu> I try to find out the call trace. seems all is not relate about ks7010 and mmc driver. 
2011-11-16 07:35 <xiangfu> I don't know how to find more info from kernel oops message. learning that today... 
2011-11-16 07:35 <xiangfu> here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/kKM0iUC1
2011-11-16 07:36 <xiangfu> all the kernel stuff can find at : http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/openwrt-xburst.full_system/build_dir/linux-xburst_qi_lb60/linux-3.0/, system.map vmlinux 
2011-11-16 07:42 <wpwrak> queue_work_on, printk, queue_work, __mmc_claim_host, <module>, default_wake_function, ...
2011-11-16 07:48 <wpwrak> and on top enqueue_task_rt
2011-11-16 07:49 <xiangfu> is the 'ra    : 8004e1a4' make you find out queue_work_on?
2011-11-16 07:52 <wpwrak> i just looked at the call trace
2011-11-16 07:54 <kyak> xiangfu: btw, the instruction for nupdf are outdated anyway, because it is part of the image, no need to copy :)
2011-11-16 07:55 <xiangfu> wpwrak, is this help? : http://pastebin.com/6r18tySh
2011-11-16 07:56 <xiangfu> kyak, Hi. here is the i386 SDK, and toolchain: http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/NanoNote/OpenWrt-SDK-xburst-for-Linux-i686/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-11142011-1520/
2011-11-16 07:56 <xiangfu> is ready for next release. now I have to fix the SDIO wifi bug. then release the images :)
2011-11-16 07:57 <xiangfu> this image include a new boot slash screen. and wpan.nn script file. :)
2011-11-16 07:57 <kyak> xiangfu: ah cool! will you copy the toolchain to qi-hw.com?
2011-11-16 07:57 <wpwrak> it's some null pointer that you're getting there. but i'm not sure where it comes from. you may want to add a printk to __mmc_claim_host to examine the content of *host
2011-11-16 07:57 <wpwrak> maybe check if the pointer is sane at all
2011-11-16 07:58 <xiangfu> kyak, yes. already. just not modify the 'latest' link. 
2011-11-16 07:58 <rejon> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Colorimeter
2011-11-16 07:58 <rejon> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Laser
2011-11-16 07:58 <rejon> gotta document more things
2011-11-16 07:59 <xiangfu> wpwrak, ok. got it. will report later.
2011-11-16 07:59 <wpwrak> maybe something is amiss with host->detect
2011-11-16 08:11 <xiangfu> kyak, (nupdf) yes. it already included. :)
2011-11-16 08:17 <xiangfu> rejon, (colorimeter) yes. cool. maybe it can connect to nanonote. then this colormeter don't needs any driver. or install any app in PC. just Colormeter + Ben nanonote is enough.
2011-11-16 08:18 <wolfspraul> I doubt that as it would most likely want to talk to a USB Host
2011-11-16 08:18 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, yes. it is USB Host. 
2011-11-16 08:19 <rejon> i need to reflash my nanonote
2011-11-16 08:19 <rejon> i hope i didn't brick it
2011-11-16 08:19 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, I want say is : if the device don't needs any driver  etc. just open box. powerup. then it working . will be cool. then current 'Colormeter' :)
2011-11-16 08:19 <xiangfu> rejon, update your 'reflash_ben.sh' first. :)
2011-11-16 08:19 <rejon> yah
2011-11-16 08:19 <rejon> will do
2011-11-16 08:20 <xiangfu> rejon, make sure you use the latest version of reflash_ben.sh
2011-11-16 08:20 <rejon> i'm about to take my markers to the nanonote
2011-11-16 08:20 <rejon> to improve the case
2011-11-16 08:22 <rejon> http://fabricatorz.com/2011/11/2nd-round-sharism-this-year-in-beijing/
2011-11-16 08:22 <rejon> sharism beijing tomorrow
2011-11-16 08:22 <rejon> more milkymist demos
2011-11-16 08:22 <rejon> should sell some nanonotes on the spot
2011-11-16 08:23 <rejon> xiangfu, wolfspraul 
2011-11-16 08:23 <rejon> sharism presents beijing will now be monthly
2011-11-16 08:23 <rejon> keep moving locations
2011-11-16 08:24 <wpwrak> rejon: how do you demo the M1 ?
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> will just leave it running in the background
2011-11-16 08:25 <wpwrak> rejon: and to what kind of people ?
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> what i would really like is the image support to work
2011-11-16 08:25 <wpwrak> hmm, that's not so cool :-(
2011-11-16 08:25 <wpwrak> that's the USD 500 screensaver
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> so it could just cycle through the twittersphere, and pull images
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> wpwrak, ha
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> ha, lots of these people already seen the demo
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> i just keep it with me all the time
2011-11-16 08:25 <rejon> casual
2011-11-16 08:25 <wpwrak> you should show it off. play it. like an instrument
2011-11-16 08:26 <rejon> not that kind of event
2011-11-16 08:26 <wpwrak> just for a moment
2011-11-16 08:26 <wpwrak> show why it's cool
2011-11-16 08:26 <rejon> :)
2011-11-16 08:26 <rejon> i like it in the bg
2011-11-16 08:26 <rejon> i'm not really into the foreground, performance ;)
2011-11-16 08:26 <wpwrak> bah
2011-11-16 08:27 <wpwrak> courage. you can do it ! nothing sells if it's kept in back of the storage room :)
2011-11-16 08:28 <wpwrak> you should try it. it's fun. you can also let others play with it. use my MIDI RMX. that one has all the basics
2011-11-16 08:30 <wpwrak> of course, you may need to upgrade your travel case if you also add a MIDI controller :)
2011-11-16 08:30 <xiangfu> wpwrak, maybe we add a demo patch. that support current Android/iPhone OSC application.  
2011-11-16 08:31 <xiangfu> wpwrak, since everyone in the meeting will be using iPhone or Android phone. :)
2011-11-16 08:31 <xiangfu> wpwrak, oh. no. it have to modify the osc source code to accept the different osc message.
2011-11-16 08:32 <xiangfu> not just 'patch'
2011-11-16 08:32 <wpwrak> yes,why not. i don't know the droid/iPhone app world, but if there's some nice multifunctional controller there, that ought to work
2011-11-16 08:32 <wpwrak> use MIDI-over-OSC ?
2011-11-16 08:33 <wpwrak> well, you need a PC anyway, to go from WLAN to ether. so you can also do the translation there. liblo is your friend :)
2011-11-16 08:36 <wpwrak> i was pleasantly surprised how easy the whole MIDI to OSC translation was. i think it took me longer to get that controsc to build that it took me to write midi2osc :)
2011-11-16 08:43 <xiangfu> wpwrak, for you it's easy. not for everyone. at least not for me :D
2011-11-16 08:46 <wpwrak> xiangfu: naw, just look at it. you can find all the ingredients conveniently in controsc, oscsend, and - for osc to osc - oscdump
2011-11-16 14:11 <oogabooga> anyone have a fake or broken or toy CPU for sale?
2011-11-16 19:53 <kristianpaul> nice https://www.yubico.com/personal-use
2011-11-16 19:58 <kristianpaul> but still closed hw it seems, i would no trust that thing..
2011-11-16 19:59 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: USB analysis tools (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ed85930
2011-11-16 19:59 <kristianpaul> now i see why people keep saying nanonote a password wallet ;)
2011-11-16 20:01 <wpwrak> and that thing probably isn't a password wallet anyway
2011-11-16 20:03 <kristianpaul> hi Artyom 
2011-11-16 20:05 <Artyom> hello kristianpaul :)
2011-11-16 20:13 <kristianpaul> Artyom: how is your milkymist hacking going?
2011-11-16 20:14 <Artyom> Very exciting ;)
2011-11-16 20:14 <Artyom> I've spent a lot of time installing all required software for linux ;)
2011-11-16 20:15 <Artyom> I tried to run carlos project but with no success :(
2011-11-16 20:15 <Artyom> Today I found Zet-processor project and I will try to use their SDR SDRAM controller
2011-11-16 20:16 <Artyom> I also spent a lot of time studing documentation on milkymist.org site. 
2011-11-16 20:17 <Artyom> Now I have understanding of how many things are done in milkymist SoC
2011-11-16 20:18 <Artyom> I must say that I'm impressed by the amount of work that was done by lekernel and the rest.
2011-11-16 20:20 <Artyom> The more I study milkymist SoC the more I like it :) I'm a little disappointed by the fact that I didn't know about it earlier ;)
2011-11-16 20:27 <Artyom> And how is your success with using front-end clock?
2011-11-16 22:30 <kristianpaul> late... sorry... damn unexpected meetings..
2011-11-16 22:31 <kristianpaul> Artyom, basically the same, clock seems to be OKAY but system dont boot, i know i had let something uncofigured..
2011-11-16 22:31 <kristianpaul> tryin to find what..