2011-11-06 00:41 <fk15_guest> wpwrak just asking but you busy with anything else too?
2011-11-06 00:55 <wolfspraul> fk15_guest: if we add hdmi-like digital video to milkymist one, it will not be called hdmi anywhere, because it isn't, we don't have a license for the trademark, access to the official standards or conformance tests etc.
2011-11-06 00:55 <wolfspraul> everything you say about displayport is right in theory, but at least for milkymist one we just grow step by step from where we are
2011-11-06 00:55 <wolfspraul> so for example... resolutions
2011-11-06 00:55 <wolfspraul> the current maximum rendering resolution is 640x480
2011-11-06 00:55 <wolfspraul> for the GUI, it's up to 1024x768
2011-11-06 00:56 <fk15_guest> wolfspraul yeah don't want to be trying to add too many new things at once so one thing at a time even if it takes another few years to actually get something. right?
2011-11-06 00:56 <wolfspraul> the blocker right now is memory bandwidth
2011-11-06 00:56 <wolfspraul> not necessarily years :-) maybe if you join today and start a few feverish hacking nights, we have something better next week? :-)
2011-11-06 00:56 <wolfspraul> so let me describe the status quo
2011-11-06 00:57 <wolfspraul> m1 supports vga only, and even that has bugs (we found a few screens/projectors that don't detect the vga signal for some reason)
2011-11-06 00:57 <wolfspraul> I'm not sure about vga resolution detection, how this works and/or whether m1 implements it right now
2011-11-06 00:58 <wolfspraul> we could support tv-out, it's somewhere on the todo list (that's another analog video format)
2011-11-06 00:58 <wolfspraul> then into the digital world, we would start with a dvi-i connector that brings out the analog lines plus digital dvi
2011-11-06 00:58 <wolfspraul> that can be converted into an hdmi-like signal with a passive adapter
2011-11-06 00:58 <wolfspraul> without the drm stuff of course
2011-11-06 00:59 <fk15_guest> even then I think you have to pay for hdmi, or am I wrong on that
2011-11-06 00:59 <wolfspraul> displayport is somewhere further out in the future for m1, it just doesn't make sense imho to chase dreams and never get anything working today
2011-11-06 00:59 <fk15_guest> and as for joining hmmm tempting but I may have to pass :/
2011-11-06 00:59 <wolfspraul> which would be my main critique for something like say the ogd project
2011-11-06 00:59 <wolfspraul> we will not have hdmi
2011-11-06 00:59 <fk15_guest> have too many things going on during the day these weeks, on top of my own few projects
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> sure, I just explain where things stand
2011-11-06 01:00 <fk15_guest> yeah thanks
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> I'm not into chasing tech for tech's sake
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> no fun
2011-11-06 01:00 <fk15_guest> heh me neither
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> so m1 works today, see werner's video :-)
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> and now we grow from there
2011-11-06 01:00 <fk15_guest> which explains why I know so few websites related to technology for that reason
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> more megahertz/bits/pixels/etc
2011-11-06 01:00 <fk15_guest> werner?
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> but always remember to keep things working
2011-11-06 01:00 <wolfspraul> wpwrak is werner, sorry
2011-11-06 01:01 <wolfspraul> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Werner_M1_MIDI.ogv
2011-11-06 01:01 <wolfspraul> that's the video I meant
2011-11-06 01:01 <wolfspraul> but I do agree with all you say about hdmi and dp
2011-11-06 01:01 <wolfspraul> in theory
2011-11-06 01:03 <fk15_guest> wolfspraul when I was looking at the milkymist block diagram I couldn't help thinking about one simple request tho
2011-11-06 01:05 <fk15_guest> firewire in+out with video remote control standard included? could probably come off the wishbone bus as well
2011-11-06 01:05 <fk15_guest> even just firewire in alone would still work as I think remote control worked both directions nevertheless
2011-11-06 01:10 <fk15_guest> wolfsprual even if I can't think about buying one of these now it'll seem tempting for a long time to me :s
2011-11-06 01:19 <fk15_guest> anyway it was nice talking to the three of you but I'm going for the night now
2011-11-06 05:44 <wpwrak> bah. forgot to hit [enter] on my last message that ended with "gotta run" :)
2011-11-06 07:07 <kyak> (surfing through logs) did xiangfu say he's playing with loading atben as module? is it working now? what about atusb? :)
2011-11-06 08:12 <wolfspra1l> kyak: what should we set as the next big goals for the NanoNote image?
2011-11-06 08:12 <wolfspra1l> I feel pretty good about the kernel, u-boot, openwrt. they all need more cleanup and improvements and fixes, but I think overall that stuff is solid now.
2011-11-06 08:15 <wolfspra1l> mplayer? I think David did some excellent stuff, can we help in any way to upstream that?
2011-11-06 08:15 <wolfspra1l> what other goals now? should we focus on some apps? nanomap? offline wiki/dictionary? music download?
2011-11-06 08:15 <wolfspra1l> maybe better ways to update the device would be good
2011-11-06 08:25 <kyak> wolfspra1l: i think what xiangfu is doing to support atben/atusb out of the box is great
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> definitely, but what else?
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> what are the big goals?
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> slowly but surely we are getting to a system that is not full of loose ends anymore
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> I think
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> maybe some more apps, like nanomap? which ones?
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> update mechanisms, data backup
2011-11-06 08:30 <wolfspra1l> that's still weak
2011-11-06 08:32 <kyak> probably it's time now to address not-so-geeky users
2011-11-06 08:32 <kyak> ben-time-set is a good start
2011-11-06 08:33 <kyak> it would be great when you run a new image for the first time (or it is the first time you start your Ben), you would be asked a series of simple questions
2011-11-06 08:34 <kyak> you time zone, your credit card.. :)
2011-11-06 08:40 <wolfspra1l> true
2011-11-06 08:41 <wolfspra1l> setup and tutorial, better help/documentation
2011-11-06 10:29 <fk15_guest> hey
2011-11-06 11:14 <fk15_guest> wolfspraul I know it was probably yesterday but I don't know if anyone have thought to request a simple data disc burning app for nanonote? or does it already exist now?
2011-11-06 11:19 <wolfspraul> what do you mean with 'data disc burning app'? can you describe what the app should do?
2011-11-06 11:19 <wolfspraul> do you have a NanoNote?
2011-11-06 11:20 <fk15_guest> wolfspraul you know, create a data cdrw and thats it?
2011-11-06 11:20 <fk15_guest> no complex tool that is
2011-11-06 11:36 <fk15_guest> and guest/wolfspraul no I don't have a nanonote. not sure I would had been able to find much use for it inbetween the sublaptop and phone here :/
2011-11-06 11:37 <fk15_guest> if I did somehow see an used one I might get it still
2011-11-06 14:44 <viric> changing 1 byte in a file, and 'fsync'...
2011-11-06 14:44 <viric> in a SD device it may have to internally write much more tan 1 byte, right?
2011-11-06 14:44 <viric> (due to NAN blocks or so)
2011-11-06 14:45 <viric> NAND
2011-11-06 15:06 <wpwrak> yes. it may read the old block, copy it to a new block, and update some internal meta-data as well
2011-11-06 16:14 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: add an atben setup script file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/098a448
2011-11-06 16:31 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: xburst: ben nanonote: first add WPAN(atben,atusb) driver (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/af26c2e
2011-11-06 16:31 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: add WPAN(atben,atusb) kernel module file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7a36062
2011-11-06 16:31 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: WPAN: disable AutoLoad on at86rf230, spi_atben. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/777c13b
2011-11-06 19:57 <fk15_guest> hey
2011-11-06 19:58 <Ayla> hi
2011-11-06 19:59 <Ayla> have a look at beagleboard.org
2011-11-06 20:01 <fk15_guest> mm I did look at that before, think that panda looks better than it to me tho
2011-11-06 20:02 <fk15_guest> and how're you btw?
2011-11-06 20:03 <Ayla> look at the beaglebone
2011-11-06 20:03 <Ayla> it's the new beagleboard.org device
2011-11-06 20:06 <fk15_guest> hmm
2011-11-06 20:06 <fk15_guest> away again? :)
2011-11-06 20:13 <fk15_guest> on a note to everyone, do you ever hate it when you find an interesting semiconductor you wanted to use then you find out that any sort of request for any kind of details even simple ones such as die size have to be done through NDA agreements for no good reasons?
2011-11-06 20:13 <fk15_guest> just had to wonder if it seem to be a normal thing sometimes
2011-11-06 21:35 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-11052011-1545/
2011-11-06 21:58 <cjdavis> huh. when did Google start telling you that your search results have been shared by your google+ contacts?
2011-11-06 22:02 <cjdavis> and... wrong window. apologies.
2011-11-06 22:02 <fk15_guest> I never understood google, don't use it much at all tbh cjdavis