2011-11-04 01:32 wolfspraul: (customs) they've basically closed all commercial imports if they're not matched by exports by the same importer/exporter. i don't know to what extent this also affects private imports. even if there are no bureaucratic obstacles there, i would expect their volume to have increased, slowing things down. 2011-11-04 01:33 are you reading too much news/laws/regulations again? 2011-11-04 01:33 (hope you don't mind I ask this first :-)) 2011-11-04 01:34 well, i read about shops closing, having to search 4-5 shops to find a simple MIDI cable (all of them the kind that normally would have it), etc. 2011-11-04 01:34 hmm 2011-11-04 01:34 let's just try 2011-11-04 01:34 i read about customs delays for cars or car parts of 1+ years. tires don't seem to enter the country at all. 2011-11-04 01:35 I can imagine it's messy 2011-11-04 01:35 toll booth is the oldest idea how to make money, no? 2011-11-04 01:35 companies that are importers buying local products they can export, so they can maintain that import/export balance, etc. 2011-11-04 01:35 but let's just also ignore it, how about that? 2011-11-04 01:35 it's not just money 2011-11-04 01:35 I'm partially Chinese now. there is always a backdoor. 2011-11-04 01:35 it's some terribly misguided plan to strengthen local industrial production 2011-11-04 01:36 understand 2011-11-04 01:37 btw, this may go a little unnoticed here, but I'm super happy to see a healthy stream of cleanups and activities to upstream more jz4740 stuff into kernel.org 2011-11-04 01:37 http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/jz47xx-kernel/2011-November/000010.html 2011-11-04 01:38 the only question now is how we can carry all this goodness forward into new products 2011-11-04 01:39 1) make lots of money. 2) start ya ;-) 2011-11-04 01:39 sure, but I mean very practically - this is all 4740 stuff 2011-11-04 01:39 I need to talk to Liu Qiang (Ingenic CEO again) 2011-11-04 01:40 can't be worse than talking to Sebastien :-) (***SEBASTIEN: THIS IS A JOKE***) 2011-11-04 01:41 I need to ask about 4760/4770, see whether we can get meaningful sponsorship (a couple hundred thousand USD), demo Milkymist (he's an old-school chip designer) 2011-11-04 01:42 i guess 4740 and 4760 have a lot in common. at least the few bits i looked at did. so some drivers are probably shared 2011-11-04 02:51 just fired a meeting request mail to Liu Qiang 2011-11-04 02:51 let's see whether he's in town and still up for it... 2011-11-04 02:52 I will just ask for a half million USD to develop the NanoNote successor :-) 2011-11-04 02:53 just R&D or also initial production ? 2011-11-04 02:54 nah, I didn't calculate seriously 2011-11-04 02:54 production hopefully, right? 2011-11-04 02:54 I highly doubt he will come around and really do something, but I need to keep the door open and make reasonable proposals. 2011-11-04 02:54 ah :) my R&D estimates are in the 200-300 kUSD range. but then you'd need some money to see production as well. 2011-11-04 02:54 s/see/seed/ 2011-11-04 02:54 I will tell him the main guy who helped with Ingenic's support in kernel.org now works full-time for Analog Devices, ha ha 2011-11-04 02:55 the Chinese are sensitive to this kind of 'loss' 2011-11-04 02:55 ;-)) 2011-11-04 02:55 not that he will then move, I think. they take the pain... 2011-11-04 02:55 first I need to see whether he's still in charge and up for a meeting, so one by one 2011-11-04 02:56 I just noticed last meeting was in March, how fast time is running 2011-11-04 02:57 I delayed it several times because I wanted to demo m1 2011-11-04 02:57 now I can 2011-11-04 02:57 will you demo it with some interaction ? 2011-11-04 02:57 not your level, I'm a little behind 2011-11-04 02:57 just camera, simple mode 2011-11-04 02:58 show the gui 2011-11-04 02:58 maybe you should try to catch up :) 2011-11-04 02:58 this demo is just to show him our seriousness and ability in making products 2011-11-04 02:58 #1 Ben NanoNote 2011-11-04 02:58 #2 Milkymist One 2011-11-04 02:59 it's not to downplay Ingenic chips 2011-11-04 02:59 it's not that hard. you don't have to wait for usb-midi. you can do that via a laptop and a USB-MIDI cable. they're ~USD 15 in argentina. so that's probably a microcent in china :) 2011-11-04 02:59 so I needed the box and accessories etc. 2011-11-04 02:59 if I ask for money for a nanonote successor, it's because we make a product 2011-11-04 02:59 not a random board 2011-11-04 03:00 I highly doubt he will move, as I said I just go there for intel, chit-chat, and to keep reasonable proposals on the table 2011-11-04 03:01 to be taken out on a rainy day :-) 2011-11-04 03:01 and first I need the meeting 2011-11-04 03:01 he may already be impressed by you still being alive :) 2011-11-04 03:01 nah 2011-11-04 03:02 in China, even a failed business never really dies 2011-11-04 03:02 never really :-) 2011-11-04 03:02 it's because of face loss etc. 2011-11-04 03:02 ;-)) 2011-11-04 03:02 it just hangs around in deeper and deeper zombie states 2011-11-04 03:02 Om anyone? 2011-11-04 03:02 :-) 2011-11-04 03:02 i should have anticipated that :) 2011-11-04 03:03 they cannot admit to failure, culturally 2011-11-04 03:03 just not that word 2011-11-04 03:03 of course everybody still knows 2011-11-04 03:03 if I don't arrive in a big mercedes, my business failed 2011-11-04 03:03 that simple 2011-11-04 03:03 seriously 2011-11-04 03:03 that's the sign 2011-11-04 03:04 I chatted with a textile entrepreneur once 2011-11-04 03:04 first time I sat in a S600 mercedes 2011-11-04 03:04 reasonable guy, my age 2011-11-04 03:04 I asked: WHY DO YOU DO THAT? 2011-11-04 03:04 why spend 200,000 USD on this piece of metal 2011-11-04 03:04 he acknowledges it's a lot of money, waste, etc. 2011-11-04 03:04 but... 2011-11-04 03:04 all the other business people do that too 2011-11-04 03:04 it's their code language 2011-11-04 03:05 he cannot afford to arrive in an Audi A6 2011-11-04 03:05 :-) 2011-11-04 03:05 so you'll rent one for the meeting ? 2011-11-04 03:05 strange stuff, different cultures 2011-11-04 03:05 oh I can totally imagine this happening, yes 2011-11-04 03:05 no not me 2011-11-04 03:05 definitely not 2011-11-04 03:05 ;-) 2011-11-04 03:06 pity you're so far away. i could lend you my BMW. that one's lot quite so expensive but looks nice, too :) 2011-11-04 03:06 s/lot/not/ 2011-11-04 03:09 last China joke for today: BMW = be my wife 2011-11-04 03:10 ? 2011-11-04 03:11 you don't get it? 2011-11-04 03:11 come on 2011-11-04 03:11 you buy a BMW 2011-11-04 03:11 why? 2011-11-04 03:11 to send out a message! 2011-11-04 03:11 to all the pretty girls 2011-11-04 03:11 you use it to go hunting ? 2011-11-04 03:11 nah 2011-11-04 03:11 it's a joke/saying here 2011-11-04 03:11 interesting perception 2011-11-04 03:11 makes perfect sense to me (maybe I do need to get out of here soon :-)) 2011-11-04 03:12 it sends a message that you are rich and strong and attractive 2011-11-04 03:12 not to me 2011-11-04 03:12 to me it sends the message that the driver/owner is stupid 2011-11-04 03:12 okay, so "come to my bed". not necessarily with marriage plans :) 2011-11-04 03:12 how different perceptions can be 2011-11-04 03:12 hey ! 2011-11-04 03:12 seriously 2011-11-04 03:12 it does 2011-11-04 03:13 someone who buys a 200,000 USD car??? 2011-11-04 03:13 stupid 2011-11-04 03:13 in a few years it's rusty 2011-11-04 03:13 I see totally dusted and rusting fancy Mercedes coupes and what not standing around here 2011-11-04 03:13 top-model of course. s600, amg s65, etc. 2011-11-04 03:13 maybe the owner got cold feet (depending on where the money came from) 2011-11-04 03:13 maybe lost interest 2011-11-04 03:14 maybe upgraded to lamborghini 2011-11-04 03:14 who knows 2011-11-04 03:14 all stupid, imho 2011-11-04 03:14 but here bmw = be my wife 2011-11-04 03:14 well then 2011-11-04 03:14 go for it 2011-11-04 03:14 it saves jobs in good old Germany, right? :-) 2011-11-04 03:14 i strongly disagree with any suggestion of the owner of this car being stupid: http://www.almesberger.net/misc/car.jpg 2011-11-04 03:15 ha ha 2011-11-04 03:15 wait 2011-11-04 03:15 checking 2011-11-04 03:15 of course, i didn't pay USD 200'000 for it ;-) 2011-11-04 03:15 and it's not rusty either :) 2011-11-04 03:15 328ci, 1996 model. they should be around 20k EUR these days 2011-11-04 03:16 volkswagen has a Lamborghini and Bugatti Veyron in their show-room right a block down from where I am. and the Maybach showroom is also right here. 2011-11-04 03:16 each of those cars could finance the NanoNote successor 2011-11-04 03:16 heh :) 2011-11-04 03:16 sometimes the people that buy them don't want to pick up their car right away, but ask to put a sign with their name or their company name into the car :-) 2011-11-04 03:16 "bought by Sharism Ltd" 2011-11-04 03:16 ha ha 2011-11-04 03:16 crazy, eh? 2011-11-04 03:17 "no sorry, can you keep it here another month with this sign?" "I come pick it up later" 2011-11-04 03:17 ;-)) 2011-11-04 03:17 yep 2011-11-04 03:17 I think the Bugatti Veyron that Volkswagen has here costs 1 million EUR, no? 2011-11-04 03:18 well, there are cars that have a decent price/value ratio and others that don't :) 2011-11-04 03:18 1.2 million 2011-11-04 03:18 in China probably 2 then 2011-11-04 03:18 I should just ask 2011-11-04 03:19 maybe complain that it's too cheap. you'd look like a tramp in such a car. 2011-11-04 03:21 well, you could say you're looking for one for your butler. for many years of faithful service. make sure other customers overhear :) 2011-11-04 03:22 remember the Chinese guy who smashed his Ferrari to complain about bad service? 2011-11-04 03:22 hilarious 2011-11-04 03:22 I want more of this stuff 2011-11-04 03:22 who else is doing that kind of thing nowadays? 2011-11-04 03:22 (bought by signs) perhaps you could also just rent such a sign ? 2011-11-04 03:23 (smashed ferrari) naw, i think i haven't heard of that 2011-11-04 03:23 ha ha 2011-11-04 03:23 wait I find the video 2011-11-04 03:23 we wouldn't want that kind of fate for a Ben or M1 2011-11-04 03:24 oh it was a lamborghini 2011-11-04 03:24 there are iphone-smashing videos. very viral :) 2011-11-04 03:24 http://forums.finalgear.com/general-automotive/chinese-man-pays-men-to-smash-his-gallardo-with-hammers-48721/ 2011-11-04 03:24 yeah but that tops it 2011-11-04 03:24 not a cheapo iphone 2011-11-04 03:25 that's true customer passion there 2011-11-04 03:31 sick 2011-11-04 03:31 "Angry about the service, the owner felt his consumer rights were ignored. So he decided that the best way to gain attention was to destroy his car on the 15th of March, which is also World Consumer Rights Day. Apparently, he hired people to publicly destroy his car with hammers and make his statement. This protest was made to provoke public support and goad the manufacturer to respect his consumer rights." 2011-11-04 03:32 http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2011/03/video-angry-chinese-owner-destroys-lamborghini-gallardo-/1 2011-11-04 03:32 i found the comment about the sexual context more intersting :) 2011-11-04 03:32 come on the logic could be yours 2011-11-04 03:32 this guy just doesn't want to give up on a bug he found with his car 2011-11-04 03:32 "The Lamborghini Gallardo was bought six months ago, but the engine failed to start on Nov. 29, 2010. The owner contacted the Lamborghini dealer in Qingdao and they transported the Gallardo to their maintenance center. 2011-11-04 03:32 The engine problem wasn't solved, but instead the bumper and chassis were damaged by the transport. The owner complained by the dealer but they refused to take responsibility in this matter, so the angry owner contacted Lamborghini CEO Stephan Winkelmann, the brand's China headquarters, its after-sales service manager for Asia-Pacific region, and the brand's owner Volkswagen Group, but the problem was not solved." 2011-11-04 03:33 from bug to emotions 2011-11-04 03:33 I'm actually wondering what Volkswagen did in the end 2011-11-04 03:33 this story definitely went viral 2011-11-04 03:33 did they give him a new one? 2011-11-04 03:34 well, he could probably have found some independent mechanic ... :) 2011-11-04 03:34 this kind of decision making can easily spread in China 2011-11-04 03:34 then volkswagen suddenly sits on a whole bunch of smashed lamborghinis 2011-11-04 03:34 (volkswagen) do as any chinese would do with something unpleasant and ignore it ;-) 2011-11-04 03:35 anyway, back to M1. if you want to catch up on controls, all you need are: 2011-11-04 03:35 yeah maybe 2011-11-04 03:36 - one of those cheap USB-MIDI controllers (http://www.korg.com/nanoseries2  http://www.akaipro.com/lpd8  etc.) 2011-11-04 03:36 - a USB-MIDI adapter (~USD 5) 2011-11-04 03:36 - a linux laptop 2011-11-04 03:37 I think I wait a little longer to understand how hard it is to add usb-midi support 2011-11-04 03:38 install jack, fire up qjackctl, open the "connect" dialog, plug the controller(s) into the laptop, watch them appear in the list of devices, 2011-11-04 03:38 xiangfu already bougth some of those usb-midi adapters 2011-11-04 03:38 so yes, this is all moving 2011-11-04 03:38 also me and Jon need to have them, and document setup with controllers and so on 2011-11-04 03:38 (usb-midi to m1) probably not terribly hard. just needs a lot of context. e.g., it's not only "kernel" drivers but also some of the processing is offloaded to that navre, if i understand things right 2011-11-04 03:39 (you and jon) yes 2011-11-04 03:39 it's not so good if jon is going around, showing everyone what a cool screensaver the M1 is :) 2011-11-04 03:39 yes well, one by one 2011-11-04 03:39 for a while he had no camera 2011-11-04 03:40 now he has a wireless one even 2011-11-04 03:40 his M1 travel case is quite nice. just needs the right feature set :) 2011-11-04 04:57 wpwrak: I apologize for going offline, that was a good discussion 2011-11-04 04:57 so let's see 2011-11-04 04:58 in mechanical controls, we have a lot now, I will draft them into the wiki as a simple list 2011-11-04 05:04 oh, thread was in #milkymist, continuing there... 2011-11-04 05:21 wpwrak: nice, Liu Qiang confirmed right away, meeting next Wednesday 2011-11-04 05:22 kewl ! 2011-11-04 05:22 yeah well, you know the disclaimers 2011-11-04 05:22 if I had a son that could marry his daughter, things would be different :-) 2011-11-04 05:23 then we would be talking business!!! :-) 2011-11-04 05:24 hmm. do i sense a lack of willingness to self-sacrifice ? :) 2011-11-04 05:24 what do you think about controller interfaces? 2011-11-04 07:33 jow_laptop: without this patch, compilation fails on x64 host 2011-11-04 07:37 jow_laptop: it's used really in many projects, just try googling "cache amnesia patch" :) we pulled it from one of the threads when had issues on x64 hos 2011-11-04 07:37 t 2011-11-04 07:37 The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-11032011-0147/ 2011-11-04 07:38 thank you, humble bot 2011-11-04 07:38 Do you guys know of any tamagotchi style dot matrix screens