2011-11-03 02:34 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: bonnie: useful tool to determine the speed of your filesystem (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/114eb6b
2011-11-03 11:15 <wpwrak> hmm, if anyone has a "normal" Ben
2011-11-03 11:16 <wpwrak> up and running, could they please run these commands ?
2011-11-03 11:16 <wpwrak> poke 0x10000068
2011-11-03 11:16 <wpwrak> poke 0x10021008
2011-11-03 11:17 <wpwrak> that'll show how fast the MMC bus is running. my bens are all in a bit of a weird configuration :)
2011-11-03 12:42 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: 0x10000068 = 0xd, 0x10021008 = 0x6
2011-11-03 12:45 <ps2chiper> how much does the milkymist soc cost?
2011-11-03 12:46 <wolfspraul> it's free
2011-11-03 12:47 <wolfspraul> the lm32 core is under a permissive open source license, the rest that was mostly/all written by Sebastien under gplv3
2011-11-03 12:47 <ps2chiper> to put it another way, how much do you need to pay the fab to make it for you?
2011-11-03 12:47 <wolfspraul> oh that's a long subject
2011-11-03 12:48 <ps2chiper> thats what beoran4 wants to know
2011-11-03 12:48 <wolfspraul> I'm glad you are interested though :-)
2011-11-03 12:48 <wolfspraul> yes but with any good questions the answer is not easy
2011-11-03 12:48 <wolfspraul> running the design in an fpga is also a chip, right?
2011-11-03 12:48 <wolfspraul> and if you like another process, there are many to choose from
2011-11-03 12:48 <wolfspraul> wait, I lookup a nice 3-series article I read recently
2011-11-03 12:49 <ps2chiper> beoran4 just wants a avr chip that is similar in power to the gameboy advance so he can make his own shanzhai handheld
2011-11-03 12:49 <beoran4> well, I'm not against using fgpa's as long as they can be very cheap 
2011-11-03 12:49 <beoran4> ps2chiper: yes, that's the goal really,
2011-11-03 12:50 <ps2chiper> when you look up articles, there not cheap
2011-11-03 12:50 <beoran4> it doesn't even have to be avr
2011-11-03 12:50 <ps2chiper> well i think for your simplicity it does
2011-11-03 12:50 <ps2chiper> if you start using external ram and flash, your pcb complexity goes up
2011-11-03 12:50 <beoran4> ps2chiper: yes, or something similarly simple :)
2011-11-03 12:52 <wolfspraul> here, not bad... http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/chip-design-open-source-and-diy-part-1-indie-chip-design
2011-11-03 12:53 <wolfspraul> but it sounds like you guys are still in high-level/dreaming mode :-)
2011-11-03 12:53 <ps2chiper> to put it another way, how much money do you spend per soc to the fabs?
2011-11-03 12:53 <wolfspraul> me? nothing, I have never worked with a foundry
2011-11-03 12:53 <wolfspraul> not there yet
2011-11-03 12:53 <wolfspraul> (and not needed right now)
2011-11-03 12:54 <ps2chiper> im working on opencola
2011-11-03 12:55 <wolfspraul> he, cool
2011-11-03 12:55 <wolfspraul> I had never heard of that before
2011-11-03 12:55 <ps2chiper> its the gpl cola
2011-11-03 12:55 <ps2chiper> Beoran4 is a master chemist
2011-11-03 12:56 <beoran4> master's degree... but my programming is more masterful :p
2011-11-03 12:56 <beoran4> since that's my day job
2011-11-03 12:56 <beoran4> hmm, designing a chip myself would take this project too far
2011-11-03 12:57 <ps2chiper> beoran4, you cant get a straight answer from this channel, only helpful nudges
2011-11-03 12:58 <beoran4> sure
2011-11-03 12:58 <ps2chiper> wolfspraul, do you know of any avr chips that have 512KB of ram and flash?
2011-11-03 12:58 <beoran4> right now, some hinds on what cpu to use would be useful 
2011-11-03 13:00 <wolfspraul> no I don't know
2011-11-03 13:00 <wolfspraul> beoran4: what do you want to design/manufacture exactly, and for what purpose?
2011-11-03 13:01 <beoran4> a hand held game, that is as cheap and simple as possible , but still open and relatively easy to program for everyone 
2011-11-03 13:01 <beoran4> in othe rwords, an open source GBA/GBA SP 
2011-11-03 13:01 <beoran4> equivalent 
2011-11-03 13:02 <beoran4> but the cards shoulkd probably be SD cards
2011-11-03 13:02 <wolfspraul> wow, big project
2011-11-03 13:02 <beoran4> so you can have many games on one card
2011-11-03 13:02 <ps2chiper> wolfspraul helped make the nanonote
2011-11-03 13:03 <beoran4> in essence it's "simple"r than tha nano note
2011-11-03 13:03 <beoran4> I'd probaby resue exising case designs too 
2011-11-03 13:03 <beoran4> reuse
2011-11-03 13:04 <ps2chiper> you can use the gba advance carts and make it usb programmable if you want a nonelastic effect on people.
2011-11-03 13:04 <beoran4> I know it's a big project, so it will take time 
2011-11-03 13:05 <ps2chiper> I think right now, for wolfspraul, its beer o'clock
2011-11-03 13:05 <beoran4> ps2chiper: hmmm, the cards are not that ubiquituous, and programmable gba cards are illegal in several european countries (due to piracy) 
2011-11-03 13:05 <beoran4> if he wants beer, we have plenty tasty ones here in belgium
2011-11-03 13:05 <beoran4> wolfspraul: can I bribe you with belgian beer? :)
2011-11-03 13:06 <ps2chiper> wolfspraul is the frenchmans natural enemy
2011-11-03 13:06 <ps2chiper> a german
2011-11-03 13:06 <beoran4> ah, but I'm not french 
2011-11-03 13:06 <ps2chiper> no, but your beer may be
2011-11-03 13:06 <beoran4> French beer? What a joke. :)
2011-11-03 13:07 <ps2chiper> thats how world war 1 was started, by that joke. just kidding
2011-11-03 13:07 <beoran4> Ok, we have beer in wallonia (french speaking belgium) ,but france? That's just like dutch beer, whihc we call "camel's p*ss" 
2011-11-03 13:09 <ps2chiper> how do you say "camel piss" in french?
2011-11-03 13:10 <beoran4> http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_parameters.asp?category_id=163&family_id=607&subfamily_id=2138&part_id=4544&ListAllAttributes=1
2011-11-03 13:10 <beoran4> this is probably the best possible
2011-11-03 13:10 <beoran4> 256kb flash
2011-11-03 13:10 <beoran4> 128sram
2011-11-03 13:11 <beoran4> if you take more flash then there's no SD card
2011-11-03 13:11 <beoran4> although they have with 512bk flash but that would be USB programmable only
2011-11-03 13:12 <ps2chiper> hmm, is 128KB enough ram for you?
2011-11-03 13:13 <beoran4> it's not much, you'd need external ram I think
2011-11-03 13:13 <beoran4> so, maybe not this one then?
2011-11-03 13:13 <beoran4> perhaps I should go for SAM7 in stead?
2011-11-03 13:13 <ps2chiper> then i dong suggest an avr chip
2011-11-03 13:14 <ps2chiper> i suggest you go for a regular soc using spi flash and 1 sdram
2011-11-03 13:14 <beoran4> 128 kb is the maximum on AVR32
2011-11-03 13:14 <ps2chiper> I guess so, i havent sen any larger
2011-11-03 13:15 <wolfspraul> beoran4: what was the last device you designed or manufactured?
2011-11-03 13:15 <beoran4> I'm a beginner, thank you 
2011-11-03 13:16 <beoran4> so I'm all ears wwhen it comes to listening to more esperienced people. as long as you don't say it's "impossible" :p
2011-11-03 13:16 <wolfspraul> perfect, we are all
2011-11-03 13:16 <wolfspraul> oh, you certainly wouldn't and shouldn't care about "impossible"
2011-11-03 13:16 <wolfspraul> I have long given up on that
2011-11-03 13:16 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-03 13:16 <wolfspraul> it's natural that people don't listen to that, I woudln't
2011-11-03 13:17 <wolfspraul> you will go in this direction for a while (the one you plan now), then you will learn a lot of things, then you will regroup/refocus around what you care about the most, etc.
2011-11-03 13:17 <ps2chiper> Then your wife will ask you to make more money, so you quit
2011-11-03 13:18 <beoran4> heh
2011-11-03 13:18 <beoran4> I already have been going in this direction for a while though, mentally speaking
2011-11-03 13:19 <beoran4> it's why I was interested in the ND and eon projects
2011-11-03 13:19 <wolfspraul> what you are planning there, also with your comparisons to GBA etc. is typically done by a total of hundreds of people
2011-11-03 13:19 <wolfspraul> so you either have to scale up a lot, or zoom in on what you exactly want to do
2011-11-03 13:19 <wolfspraul> imagine you want to fly to your cousin in Florida next summer, ok?
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> summer 2012
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> and on TV you have seen those nice large Boeing & Airbus airplanes that can take you there
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> well. you decide to build and fly in your own
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> should certainly be possible before the summer vacation?
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> and you can make it more fuel-efficient than the big ones too, surely. which means you save money!
2011-11-03 13:20 <wolfspraul> off you go
2011-11-03 13:21 <wolfspraul> at least until summer 2012 you will have your hands full :-)
2011-11-03 13:21 <wolfspraul> then maybe until end-of 2012 you can have all sorts of excuses for the delays
2011-11-03 13:21 <wolfspraul> and sometime in 2013 maybe you decide to just buy a regular economy ticket and fly with the stuff that already exists :-)
2011-11-03 13:22 <beoran4> sure
2011-11-03 13:22 <beoran4> but that's saying "it's impossible" :)
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> nah
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> go build it
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> I say: IT'S GREAT!
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-11-03 13:22 <beoran4> german humar
2011-11-03 13:22 <ps2chiper> The chinese are trying to build their own aircraft
2011-11-03 13:22 <beoran4> humor
2011-11-03 13:22 <wolfspraul> but seriously - what is your main interest?
2011-11-03 13:23 <wolfspraul> can you zoom in a little?
2011-11-03 13:23 <beoran4> this is a bit simpler than an aircraft, though
2011-11-03 13:23 <wolfspraul> you can of course start like you describe above, but man, yes, I just know - you will not get very far :-)
2011-11-03 13:23 <ps2chiper> he wants a open source hand held video game he can dick around with
2011-11-03 13:23 <beoran4> ok, what do you mean "zoom in" 
2011-11-03 13:23 <wolfspraul> how well can you read and design electrical circuits?
2011-11-03 13:23 <wolfspraul> do you have any mechanical engineering experience?
2011-11-03 13:24 <wolfspraul> I take it you are a software dev - all levels? kernel etc. all no problem?
2011-11-03 13:24 <beoran4> I can read circuits, no mechanical design, but I programmed on the bare hardware, I programmed atari2600 games
2011-11-03 13:24 <ps2chiper> wolfspraul, i already brow beaten him for a few months about these issues
2011-11-03 13:25 <wolfspraul> my analogy with the summer vacation and "let me quickly design my own airplane" may not be too far off
2011-11-03 13:25 <wolfspraul> you want to achieve a small goal. you want to have a game console for yourself? that's all?
2011-11-03 13:25 <beoran4> it's not an idea that I has suddenly 
2011-11-03 13:25 <wolfspraul> maybe I just donate one to you to make you happy :-)
2011-11-03 13:25 <ps2chiper> you can use my atmega168 to make your own atari2600
2011-11-03 13:25 <wolfspraul> or you have a big goal in mind?
2011-11-03 13:25 <ps2chiper> the big coal is opencola
2011-11-03 13:26 <wolfspraul> if you have a small goal, and you try to reach it in the most difficult way, well. hard to help...
2011-11-03 13:26 <beoran4> ps2chiper: that's also one "big goal" yes. 
2011-11-03 13:26 <beoran4> wolfspraul: I see what you mean, howeber, I'm not a teenager 
2011-11-03 13:26 <wolfspraul> maybe it's just a hobby
2011-11-03 13:27 <ps2chiper> You can try making a toned down fuzebox for atari 2600 type games
2011-11-03 13:27 <beoran4> well, I want a bit more thna atari 2600 though :p
2011-11-03 13:27 <beoran4> and not only for myself
2011-11-03 13:27 <ps2chiper> yes, but i can donate the atmega168 chips to you
2011-11-03 13:27 <beoran4> ah I see
2011-11-03 13:27 <wolfspraul> there you go
2011-11-03 13:27 <wolfspraul> you almost made it
2011-11-03 13:28 <beoran4> rofl
2011-11-03 13:28 <ps2chiper> no, seriously, you can use the fuze box as an example
2011-11-03 13:28 <ps2chiper> that is atmega644
2011-11-03 13:28 <beoran4> wolfspraul: I get the distinct impression of not being taken serious, but I understand wy, too man ydreamers here, heh? 
2011-11-03 13:28 <ps2chiper> the only difference is the ammount of pins and flash
2011-11-03 13:28 <wolfspraul> no no
2011-11-03 13:28 <wolfspraul> dreamers is good
2011-11-03 13:28 <wolfspraul> please continue down your path, and keep us posted
2011-11-03 13:29 <wolfspraul> I'm just saying: zoom in to what is really important to you
2011-11-03 13:29 <wolfspraul> the faster and the more you can zoom in, the better imho
2011-11-03 13:29 <ps2chiper> hey wolfspraul, im trying to get into router business again, do you have any openwrt devs you can toss my way?
2011-11-03 13:29 <wolfspraul> how would I do that
2011-11-03 13:30 <ps2chiper> like drawf tossing at the bar
2011-11-03 13:30 <wolfspraul> fire up your text editor, improve something, send a patch
2011-11-03 13:30 <beoran4> xwhat's really important to me is that it's a design that's easy to clone 
2011-11-03 13:30 <beoran4> and easy to (mass) produce
2011-11-03 13:30 <beoran4> but also easy to make just one of
2011-11-03 13:31 <ps2chiper> I think wolfspraul finished beer o'clock 
2011-11-03 13:31 <ps2chiper> now is drunk o'clock
2011-11-03 13:31 <beoran4> in other words, so I and othe rhobbyists can make it easily, but it could also be mass produced in a later stage
2011-11-03 13:32 <beoran4> fuzebox is not a bad idea but it's not handheld
2011-11-03 13:32 <ps2chiper> like i was saying, you could use the atmega168 for a tomagochi style device
2011-11-03 13:32 <ps2chiper> like a tomogochi obama
2011-11-03 13:33 <beoran4> hehehe
2011-11-03 13:33 <beoran4> would that sell well in china? 
2011-11-03 13:34 <beoran4> it will need to say "yes we can!" 
2011-11-03 13:34 <ps2chiper> yes it would
2011-11-03 13:34 <beoran4> and you have to feed it fried chicken 
2011-11-03 13:34 <ps2chiper> OFC
2011-11-03 13:34 <ps2chiper> obama fried chicken
2011-11-03 13:34 <beoran4> rofl
2011-11-03 13:34 <ps2chiper> and waffles
2011-11-03 13:34 <beoran4> actually, the fusebox is a nice design just a tiny bit weaksauce for me
2011-11-03 13:34 <ps2chiper> or it can be a countdown to the next reelection
2011-11-03 13:34 <beoran4> but!
2011-11-03 13:35 <ps2chiper> well start low
2011-11-03 13:35 <beoran4> maybe it could be adjusted to a AVR32
2011-11-03 13:35 <ps2chiper> grind up
2011-11-03 13:35 <beoran4> 64KB flash and 4KB of RAM
2011-11-03 13:36 <beoran4> if you look at that, then 128kb of ram isan ocean to swim in
2011-11-03 13:36 <ps2chiper> i suggest you stick to atmega168 since I have 2500 of them
2011-11-03 13:36 <beoran4> just have to page a lot to sd card 
2011-11-03 13:37 <beoran4> how much ram/flash does that have? 
2011-11-03 13:37 <beoran4> the atmega 168? 
2011-11-03 13:37 <ps2chiper> ram, i need to check, flash 16KB
2011-11-03 13:37 <ps2chiper> 20mhz speed
2011-11-03 13:39 <beoran4> probably too few ram to do color screens
2011-11-03 13:39 <beoran4> but monochrome would be possible
2011-11-03 13:40 <ps2chiper> hmm, well a black and white screen would suit obama well
2011-11-03 13:40 <beoran4> http://www.microtipsusa.com/product.asp?LCD=graphics
2011-11-03 13:40 <beoran4> something like those
2011-11-03 13:40 <ps2chiper> Its 1KB ram
2011-11-03 13:40 <beoran4> heh, this idea is so crazy it might work :)
2011-11-03 13:40 <beoran4> 1kb 
2011-11-03 13:40 <beoran4> hmmm
2011-11-03 13:41 <beoran4> let me see, 512bytes vidoe memory? 
2011-11-03 13:41 <ps2chiper> http://tamagotchi.sourceforge.net/
2011-11-03 13:41 <beoran4> 512 bytes program memory
2011-11-03 13:41 <ps2chiper> if your trying to make a classic tamagotchi with obama as the character, it will work well
2011-11-03 13:41 <ps2chiper> the bom would be about 5 dollars
2011-11-03 13:42 <beoran4> and coudl you sell it? 
2011-11-03 13:43 <beoran4> can we use existing casings and screens? 
2011-11-03 13:45 <ps2chiper> sure it would be a huge hit
2011-11-03 13:46 <beoran4> ok, let's try to make a design then 
2011-11-03 13:47 <beoran4> cpu: atmega168
2011-11-03 13:47 <ps2chiper> no, you start with an atmega168 emulator
2011-11-03 13:47 <beoran4> ah, to see if I can implement it? :)
2011-11-03 13:47 <beoran4> I'd need to know what LCD screen to use though, but any way
2011-11-03 13:48 <ps2chiper> they have a ton of lcd to atmega168 project
2011-11-03 13:49 <beoran4> let me see
2011-11-03 13:50 <ps2chiper> i have a tv show for you, its called top secret recipe, its a food hacker so to speak, and he reverses secret recipes
2011-11-03 13:50 <beoran4> cool
2011-11-03 13:51 <beoran4> hmmm, can't seem to find an atmega168 emulator just yet
2011-11-03 13:51 <beoran4> muts be out there somewhere
2011-11-03 13:51 <ps2chiper> lets take it back to eon
2011-11-03 13:54 <beoran4> ok
2011-11-03 15:17 <Ayla> awesome project :D
2011-11-03 15:20 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (registers) thanks !
2011-11-03 15:47 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: 068 = 0d
2011-11-03 15:47 <kristianpaul> 21008 = 0
2011-11-03 15:57 <wpwrak> hmm, interesting
2011-11-03 15:58 <wpwrak> 0x0d means 336/14 -> 24 MHz for the MMC controller
2011-11-03 15:59 <wpwrak> 0 means bus_clock = mmc_clock/1
2011-11-03 15:59 <wpwrak> 6 means bus_clock = mmc_clock/64
2011-11-03 16:00 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: so your MMC should be able to transfer up to 12 MB/sec (minus overhead)
2011-11-03 16:00 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: while yours would do about 187 kB/sec
2011-11-03 16:06 <wpwrak> ps2chiper: (512 kB flash and ram) would that be flash+ram == 512 kB ? or flash == 512 kB && ram == 512 kB ?
2011-11-03 16:06 <ps2chiper> the 2nd part
2011-11-03 16:14 <wpwrak> (memory) ah .. you already went beyond that point
2011-11-03 16:31 <qwebirc88488> Hi
2011-11-03 16:31 <zrafa> wolfspraul: wpwrak : you there?
2011-11-03 16:31 <zrafa> qwebirc88488: hi
2011-11-03 16:31 <qwebirc88488> Are you "in the know" about the Nanonote?
2011-11-03 16:32 <wpwrak> (memory) the biggest atmel chip (any family) has 25 kB of RAM
2011-11-03 16:32 <wpwrak> zrafa: aye
2011-11-03 16:32 <zrafa> qwebirc88488: you can change your nick writting:   /nick nickyouwant
2011-11-03 16:33 <zrafa> wpwrak: are you getting something from sharism these months? :)
2011-11-03 16:33 <harrkev> I was wondering if Nanonote was dead.  No update to the web site in months...
2011-11-03 16:33 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: indeed, where are the monthly news ? :)
2011-11-03 16:34 <zrafa> wolfspraul: wpwrak : Miriam wants to buy a super embedded linux computer, and she would like to buy it from sharism. The one I got was paid by jlime so we do not know
2011-11-03 16:34 <wpwrak> zrafa: dunno ... so far, nothing is planned
2011-11-03 16:34 <harrkev> I have also read rumors of a Nanonote 2, but nothing in a year...
2011-11-03 16:35 <wpwrak> harrkev: these are just that, rumors. work on a NN2 (that would be the "Ya") hasn't started yet
2011-11-03 16:35 <zrafa> wolfspraul: wpwrak : how to buy it using our money :).. And if the shipping is okey from sharism -> arg (okey=no many surprises from customs)
2011-11-03 16:35 <wpwrak> harrkev: right now, most of the attention of qi-hw folks is on the milkymist one: http://milkymist.org/
2011-11-03 16:36 <harrkev> wpwrak:  Thanks.  I am considering getting a Nanonote and wanted to know that work was still on-going on the OS, but fixes, etc.  Thanks.
2011-11-03 16:36 <wpwrak> customs are tricky these days. i hope they're still letting personal shipments through
2011-11-03 16:37 <wpwrak> harrkev: yes, the distribution is still being maintained. if you look at the mailing list, there's still a fair bit of activity. and especially around distribution issues.
2011-11-03 16:37 <harrkev> K.  Thnx.  Bye
2011-11-03 16:38 <mstevens> looks for tuxbrain
2011-11-03 17:10 <kristianpaul> :_D
2011-11-03 17:12 <kristianpaul> with that MMC speed a 2 bit SDR could be posible :)
2011-11-03 17:14 <kristianpaul> or 1 bit at least ;)
2011-11-03 17:19 <wpwrak> hmm, one bit may actually work
2011-11-03 17:19 <wpwrak> MMC has a stream mode. i don't think ingenic implemented it as truly infinite, but at least with fewer limitations as SD
2011-11-03 17:20 <wpwrak> unfortunately, it's limited to 1 bit. if you try to set the bus to 4 bits, the controller won't even start
2011-11-03 17:35 <jow_laptop> kyak: can you explain me the purpose of "001-cache-amnesia.patch" in gcc-mips?
2011-11-03 17:36 <jow_laptop> kyak: I worked on an updated gcc package based on the Qi one which works on more platforms and got along without this patch
2011-11-03 22:38 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: did something get worse with Argentine customs?
2011-11-03 22:39 <wolfspraul> and for rafa, maybe we can send it together with the next m1 board
2011-11-03 22:39 <wolfspraul> the one where Adam applied the final rc4 reset ic circuit (after we know what the final should be)
2011-11-03 22:48 <zrafa> wolfspraul: when would that be? .. Miriam is going to BA in december for sure. Maybe she can bring his new computer at that time?
2011-11-03 22:49 <wolfspraul> that could work, speed also depends on when Werner finalizes his rc4 recommendation
2011-11-03 22:49 <wolfspraul> Adam is on standby
2011-11-03 22:49 <wolfspraul> in fact I am constantly asking when Werner thinks Adam can start, but Werner is operating at a level that Adam cannot contribute to, so we have to wait for the result of Werner's analysis.
2011-11-03 22:49 <wolfspraul> but I think it's just a few days out, maybe a week
2011-11-03 22:50 <zrafa> wolfspraul: we will try to pay with our credit card today or tomorrow (real one :P ) .. and then we will talk with Yi (Yi is the name of her?) to coordinate the shipping. I will ask customs here in Neuquen as well
2011-11-03 22:51 <zrafa> so when we already decided the best way we can tell her and then to do the shipping
2011-11-03 22:52 <wolfspraul> huh? don't understand
2011-11-03 22:52 <wolfspraul> can we wait a week?
2011-11-03 22:53 <zrafa> yes, we can. sorry. I meant. We will buy it today or tomorrow, but we want to wait a while before sharism sends it , until we know the best way
2011-11-03 22:53 <zrafa> wolfspraul: ^
2011-11-03 22:53 <wolfspraul> if we combine into a shipment for Werner, shipping will be a lot cheaper
2011-11-03 22:53 <wolfspraul> so don't just buy in the webshop now, let me coordinate this with Werner first
2011-11-03 22:53 <zrafa> okey. great
2011-11-03 22:54 <wolfspraul> and THANKS A LOT for wanting to buy one!
2011-11-03 22:54 <zrafa> tell that to Miriam :) well... I will tell her ;)
2011-11-03 22:54 <wolfspraul> yes, please
2011-11-03 22:54 <kristianpaul> oh nice :)
2011-11-03 22:59 <kristianpaul> zrafa: what you plan to do with M1. i'm really curious :-)
2011-11-03 22:59 <kristianpaul> i guess you bring it to the Uni for some development* course?
2011-11-03 22:59 <kristianpaul> as on of the plans :)
2011-11-03 23:00 <kristianpaul> gottat go,i hoep get internet in the bus station :)
2011-11-03 23:02 <wolfspraul> not m1 - Ben
2011-11-03 23:27 <ignatius_> Is it possible to use USB devices with the Ben's USB port? Like, for example, a USB mouse? I've compiled "USB Host" into the kernel, and now, at boot up, it detects "usb0" with a MAC address. Does it work as a USB device? Or does it just support USB "Gadget" support? Not having a usable USB port seems like a waste of motherboard space to me.
2011-11-03 23:28 <zear> ignatius_, ben's usb port has no host support
2011-11-03 23:29 <zear> you can connect to it only devices that act as hosts themselves
2011-11-03 23:29 <ignatius_> What is the "usb0" than?
2011-11-03 23:29 <zear> usb networking?
2011-11-03 23:29 <ignatius_> Gadget?
2011-11-03 23:29 <zear> i'd say
2011-11-03 23:30 <ignatius_> Ok. I see. Thanks for the clarifications.
2011-11-03 23:30 <zear> moreover, usb port in ben is probably unpowered
2011-11-03 23:30 <ignatius_> I wish it did have USB. :(
2011-11-03 23:30 <zear> so even if it has the host functionality, you couldn't plug devices that aren't self powered
2011-11-03 23:30 <zear> *has/had
2011-11-03 23:30 <ignatius_> Nod.
2011-11-03 23:31 <ignatius_> I was trying with a mouse and a wireless modem.
2011-11-03 23:31 <ignatius_> Oh. Well. I guess I still have the ks7010 card.