2011-10-30 01:29 <kristianpaul> yup
2011-10-30 01:34 <kristianpaul> confirmed, next week i'll be in pasto giving a talk about copyleft hw http://ur1.ca/5jupb
2011-10-30 01:35 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: Jon and I are in deep reflection mode about the need and value of 'copyleft'
2011-10-30 01:35 <wolfspraul> Jon is planning a major push towards his new sharing license/agreement, which is essentially public domain
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> like cc0
2011-10-30 01:36 <kristianpaul> cool
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> well, we kept saying qi hardware = copyleft hardware for over 2 years, kinda annoying people along the way :-)
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> so I don't know, let's see
2011-10-30 01:36 <kristianpaul> so copyleft is a practice not a lincese
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> but Jon is moving forward with his sharism stuff
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> hah
2011-10-30 01:36 <wolfspraul> good point!
2011-10-30 01:36 <kristianpaul> yeah, sharim, i still hard to get in to but yeah ;)
2011-10-30 01:37 <wolfspraul> yes, copyleft is about fairness. you ask me something, I reply nicely.
2011-10-30 01:37 <kristianpaul> sharism*
2011-10-30 01:37 <kristianpaul> good feeling anyway :)
2011-10-30 01:37 <wolfspraul> oh no worries, we will exactly not go on another sharism crusade
2011-10-30 01:37 <kristianpaul> he
2011-10-30 01:37 <wolfspraul> but maybe public domain is the more natural concept, and copyleft is the practice, like you say
2011-10-30 01:37 <wolfspraul> of course - it's an *honor* to give back
2011-10-30 01:38 <wolfspraul> if someone really thinks they have to hide something, gee. sorry, can't help them I guess.
2011-10-30 01:38 <wolfspraul> if I'm asked something, I reply. everything, even the secret 'bom', and the secret supply chain, and the oh-so-secret design files, process, bla bla bla
2011-10-30 01:38 <wolfspraul> we are in the Internet age, right? :-)
2011-10-30 01:48 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: what's the next product you believe we could add to our lineup?
2011-10-30 01:49 <wolfspraul> not that I want to start anything new, but somehow I think about direction once in a while
2011-10-30 01:49 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-10282011-2100/
2011-10-30 01:49 <wolfspraul> we have a pocket computer, and a visual computer that can hopefully emerge into a more powerful general purpose computer
2011-10-30 01:49 <wolfspraul> what's next? there are so many options :-)
2011-10-30 01:49 <kristianpaul> networks ..
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> I still like camera a lot, also laser projector, Jon talked me into speakers, another friend talked me into LED lamps
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> networks?
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> like what? more connected devices?
2011-10-30 01:50 <kristianpaul> sure i need be more specific
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> I think we introduce that with the next NanoNote, that's the pocket computer
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> I was thinking about product category
2011-10-30 01:50 <kristianpaul> like wpan bu better ;)
2011-10-30 01:50 <wolfspraul> oh sure
2011-10-30 01:51 <wolfspraul> but I think it's clear how to improve the NanoNote
2011-10-30 01:51 <wolfspraul> higher res screen, more connectivity, more memory, case that is better suited to low-volume production
2011-10-30 01:51 <wolfspraul> I was thinking about new devices/products
2011-10-30 01:52 <wolfspraul> hey we should integrate GPS into the next NanoNote :-)
2011-10-30 01:52 <kristianpaul> sure :)
2011-10-30 01:53 <kristianpaul> about network i would said routers but... the wifi-part of course well..
2011-10-30 01:53 <wolfspraul> what features does your router have?
2011-10-30 01:53 <wolfspraul> you mean a router for your home?
2011-10-30 01:53 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-10-30 01:53 <wolfspraul> one idea I had about routers was to challenge the typical client-server idea there
2011-10-30 01:54 <wolfspraul> the little home router talking to the big telco switch
2011-10-30 01:54 <wolfspraul> maybe we can make a router that can be more naturally geared towards a p2p network over the same wires
2011-10-30 01:54 <kristianpaul> also that can still dial on a line line for p2p?
2011-10-30 01:55 <wolfspraul> I don't know the details, just imagining
2011-10-30 01:55 <kristianpaul> sure
2011-10-30 01:55 <wolfspraul> many people have tried to enter the router business, but they all fail on the economics
2011-10-30 01:55 <wolfspraul> so I had this idea
2011-10-30 01:55 <wolfspraul> imagine you create a new city in inner mongolia somewhere
2011-10-30 01:56 <wolfspraul> ok, wait. let's move it to democratic 'real' mongolia first
2011-10-30 01:56 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-10-30 01:56 <kristianpaul> ;-)
2011-10-30 01:56 <wolfspraul> so, a new city in Mongolia
2011-10-30 01:56 <wolfspraul> you run some wires between houses
2011-10-30 01:56 <wolfspraul> how do you network?
2011-10-30 01:57 <wolfspraul> is RF always superior? I think wires have some very unique networking properties, in terms of speed/immunity from noise etc.
2011-10-30 01:57 <wolfspraul> so let's say we run some wires in that new city
2011-10-30 01:57 <wolfspraul> then we need routers/switches
2011-10-30 01:58 <wolfspraul> what's on the other side of the typical 20 USD wifi router/dsl/cable/fiber modem?
2011-10-30 01:58 <wolfspraul> I don't know
2011-10-30 01:58 <wolfspraul> thinking not leading anywhere :-)
2011-10-30 02:01 <kristianpaul> other side should be more big and power hungry i guess
2011-10-30 02:03 <kristianpaul> at least that was my experiencied when met the local central telephony
2011-10-30 02:03 <kristianpaul> but instead, when you have a network switch well all looks more simple
2011-10-30 02:04 <kristianpaul> of course you just said, problem is economics ..
2011-10-30 02:06 <kristianpaul> cameras intesting too indeed
2011-10-30 02:08 <kristianpaul> what about energy? i dont from where but just thinking
2011-10-30 02:08 <wolfspraul> sure
2011-10-30 02:08 <wolfspraul> solar?
2011-10-30 02:08 <wolfspraul> but what product is that exactly?
2011-10-30 02:09 <kristianpaul> power generator
2011-10-30 02:09 <wolfspraul> how?
2011-10-30 02:09 <kristianpaul> from heat perhaps.. different ait presures.. jsut guessing actually :)
2011-10-30 02:15 <kristianpaul> DocScrutinizer, pointed a werable watch the other day
2011-10-30 02:16 <kristianpaul> watch clock*
2011-10-30 02:16 <DocScrutinizer> hmm?
2011-10-30 02:20 <kristianpaul> wearable**
2011-10-30 02:26 <kristianpaul> roh: you like this for a bike https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ultrasound#Ultrasonic_range_finding ?
2011-10-30 02:37 <DocScrutinizer> this is kinda interesting and feels like sparking ideas: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Nonlinear_Acoustics
2011-10-30 03:26 <wolfspraul> wpwrak (or anybody): just as an idea, what do you think about making qi-hw.com the main domain and qi-hardware.com just redirecting to qi-hw ?
2011-10-30 03:27 <wolfspraul> I don't plan to make any disruptive changes now, if anything it would be slow and to make sure old links keep working.
2011-10-30 03:27 <wolfspraul> but is the idea any good? should we redirect things over to qi-hw.com ?
2011-10-30 03:27 <wolfspraul> instead of redirecting some things from qi-hw.com to the full qi-hardware.com ...
2011-10-30 03:27 <wolfspraul> (which is what we have right now, and Werner suggested to add more redirections)
2011-10-30 03:33 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: btw, I think you said somewhere in the backlog that we didn't even announce the M1 lauch on our list/announce/etc
2011-10-30 03:33 <wolfspraul> that's not true, we did
2011-10-30 03:33 <wolfspraul> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/announce/2011-September/000008.html
2011-10-30 03:34 <wolfspraul> (really badly formatted, but just to proove the announcement)
2011-10-30 03:34 <wolfspraul> the problem was - nobody cared :-)
2011-10-30 03:35 <wolfspraul> and the reason for that, I think, is because the story is just not attractive or understandable enough. So we need to polish that a little, and then go at it again.
2011-10-30 03:52 <DocScrutinizer> err, add more links? I thought this is handled by a record in DNS
2011-10-30 03:55 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, actually not - "5?? permanently moved"
2011-10-30 03:56 <DocScrutinizer> think there's a apache plugin for that, to redirect http://A.tld/$1 to http://B.tld/$1
2011-10-30 03:59 <DocScrutinizer> ct.de obviously won't create a hardcoded link to www.heise.de/ct for each if the several 100 subpages per day
2011-10-30 03:59 <DocScrutinizer> s/ if/ of/
2011-10-30 04:07 <wolfspraul> sure redirects all understood and easy
2011-10-30 04:07 <wolfspraul> temporary permanent regex etc.
2011-10-30 04:07 <wolfspraul> but the question is what the direction of the redirect should be. from qi-hw.com to qi-hardware.com, or the other way round
2011-10-30 04:08 <wolfspraul> personally I start to believe we should move the central domain over to qi-hw.com, and redirect from the longer qi-hardware.com to it
2011-10-30 04:24 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think I can contribute any opinion on that. Just noticed ct.de redirects to www.heise.de/ct
2011-10-30 04:25 <DocScrutinizer> if there's a rationale behind it, I missed it yet
2011-10-30 04:42 <wolfspraul> shorter
2011-10-30 10:31 <DocScrutinizer2> www.heise.de/ct is *not* shorter
2011-10-30 10:32 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I meant