2011-10-17 00:35 wpwrak: I've found the cause; the USB just cannot provide the current required 2011-10-17 00:35 it works just fine from 13V 300mA power supply 2011-10-17 00:35 quite power-hungry then 2011-10-17 00:35 or your USB is too weak 2011-10-17 00:36 yep, CCFL backlight isn't very energy-efficient 2011-10-17 00:36 also: the LCD itself eats 120mA@5V, and backlight wants 300mA@12V 2011-10-17 00:37 that's at least 720mA@5V total 2011-10-17 00:38 seems that you need your own power supply, too 2011-10-17 00:38 ah, and also the module is powered through a FET (which was not selected by me). looks like additional 0.5V are falling on it 2011-10-17 00:38 I should have checked that in first place :/ 2011-10-17 00:39 that FET thingy is quite mysterious I'd say. see: it's a P-channel FET and the INVTOFF signal is active low, so I've added two inverters on BC547 2011-10-17 00:40 when I feed it low level, it turns off, when I set it high, it turns on 2011-10-17 00:40 well, it works just the same if I cut the wire from the inverters to FET gate in two 2011-10-17 00:40 exactly. 2011-10-17 00:40 so it's floating in the air. 2011-10-17 00:40 how the hell it manages to work?! 2011-10-17 00:41 ;-) 2011-10-17 00:42 (I've simply forgot to solder in the gate. And when I noticed it... that was a shock, to say at least.) 2011-10-17 00:43 the inverters do not alter supply voltage in any way 2011-10-17 00:43 they just do some black magic, and FET does too, and it works. 2011-10-17 00:47 a circuit designed by wizards ;-) 2011-10-17 00:48 then I'm a wizard 2011-10-17 00:48 which is doubtful :D 2011-10-17 01:27 wpwrak: ( how do you like that ? ) Well, it's OK if needed. I just don't see the exact purpose - rather contact the whole metal sheet with only one metallic spacer and use 3 plastic spacers 2011-10-17 01:29 not sure if mechanically compatible plastic spacers are available 2011-10-17 01:29 usually such RC is used for "floating" GND that may have DC offset, or 50Hz, and you still want to make sure it's effectively grounded for ESD and RF 2011-10-17 01:30 well, just make those R and C NC, same effect :-D 2011-10-17 01:30 I gather you do all this to avoid GND loops? 2011-10-17 01:30 NC ? then the feet/spacers wouldn't be grounded anymore 2011-10-17 01:31 i don't know why all this is there :) 2011-10-17 01:31 aaah 2011-10-17 01:31 i would just isolate them :) 2011-10-17 01:31 thought you're trying to sell it to me 2011-10-17 01:31 naw, i 2011-10-17 01:31 'm trying to figure it out ;-) 2011-10-17 01:32 3 of 4 are nonsense anyway, better make them NC 2011-10-17 01:32 and after you did, you can make the 4th 0R 2011-10-17 01:33 the only use this would have would be to ground the conductive tape, right ? 2011-10-17 01:34 right, then you would need 2 times 0R 2011-10-17 01:34 when using that alu tape idea 2011-10-17 01:35 2 times ? 2011-10-17 01:35 ah, for each leg of the X ? 2011-10-17 01:35 sure, the 2 stripes are not connected, so each one needs a post to gnd it 2011-10-17 01:35 just ONE post per stripe 2011-10-17 01:36 aw_: hi good morning! 2011-10-17 01:36 more like good night :-D 2011-10-17 01:36 nah 2011-10-17 01:36 I'm sitting with my Venti Coffee here in bright morning sunlight 2011-10-17 01:36 wolfspraul, good morning hi 2011-10-17 01:37 aw_: since it's Monday morning, let's chat a bit about the plan going forward 2011-10-17 01:37 I'm afraid I'll do the same when I don't manage to get some sleep next 3 h 2011-10-17 01:37 slowly rc3 is settling down 2011-10-17 01:37 let me look at the wiki page a bit :-) 2011-10-17 01:37 what's your plan this week? 2011-10-17 01:38 hi aw_ 2011-10-17 01:39 since the remaining 'packed for sale' is only 7 sets now and 23 set 'Avail-fix2b-l3' ready already; so need to do packing/assemble first this week 2011-10-17 01:39 DocScrutinizer, hi 2011-10-17 01:40 41 units have been sent out 2011-10-17 01:40 just counted 2011-10-17 01:40 :o 2011-10-17 01:40 :-) 2011-10-17 01:40 ok, those 7 need to be reflashed/locked again 2011-10-17 01:40 pretty good for no real launch :) 2011-10-17 01:40 wolfspraul, hopefully you don't have a 10-Pack shipped in 2 ~ 3 days. :-) 2011-10-17 01:41 probably not 2011-10-17 01:41 so first you re-lock the 7, then finish another 23 2011-10-17 01:41 so I may need to fo a batch work for 23 set in one time. 2011-10-17 01:41 nice 2011-10-17 01:41 that will bring the total that are 100% good to 71 2011-10-17 01:42 then we look at the other 19 2011-10-17 01:42 aw_: how about that other rc2 board? 2011-10-17 01:42 i can do re-lock later 2011-10-17 01:42 it sounds like you need another week or so before we start looking into the 19, and talk about next runs such as rc4, labsw, or some other power supply I am currently investigating 2011-10-17 01:42 aw_, no further on that bad rc2 board which I'll back to see it after 23 assembles and 7 relock. 2011-10-17 01:43 ok 2011-10-17 01:43 Werner continues with the NOR corruption, it sounds like he will get to the real bottom of that this week 2011-10-17 01:43 the relay keeps clicking away :-) 2011-10-17 01:44 joins in on a bit NOR curruption, it's fun 2011-10-17 01:44 aw_: how much does a cheap ESD gun cost in Taipei? 2011-10-17 01:44 phaser 2011-10-17 01:44 "your life" ;-) 2011-10-17 01:45 wpwrak: actually we are shipping out nice rc3 units almost as fast as Adam can make them 2011-10-17 01:45 *g* 2011-10-17 01:45 wpwrak, hi i just realized the dumpotp, and 'poke' peek' cmd in jtag, ignore my email on list, i should have tried script then asked. ;-) 2011-10-17 01:45 :-P 2011-10-17 01:45 wolfspraul: i'm actually a little worried about that ;-) 2011-10-17 01:45 nah 2011-10-17 01:45 rc3 was work intensive, so be it 2011-10-17 01:45 we learn from that, and then rc4 will be better, hopefully (ahem) 2011-10-17 01:46 wolfspraul, a cheap ESD gun? mmm...need to ask or/ check here wen first. 2011-10-17 01:46 yes 2011-10-17 01:46 i think you need to find an assistant for adam, to help with those routine tasks. as runs get larger, the workload will even get worse 2011-10-17 01:46 if we can find a cheap one, maybe you can get one... 2011-10-17 01:46 one by one 2011-10-17 01:46 no customer was turned back, because we don't have more customers either 2011-10-17 01:46 it needs to scale in sync 2011-10-17 01:47 what number do you have in mind for rc4 ? 2011-10-17 01:47 yeah well 2011-10-17 01:47 wolfspraul: I can send you some fractions of the lightning that hit my house a few weeks ago - I bottled it ;-D 2011-10-17 01:47 I was hoping nobody asks for a while ;-) 2011-10-17 01:47 I don't know 2011-10-17 01:48 there's a lot of things I want to achieve with rc4, including maybe boom and digikey sourcing (for some parts, not all) 2011-10-17 01:48 from a manufacturing standpoing, it should be 150 or so 2011-10-17 01:48 standpoint 2011-10-17 01:49 but then I want to improve the quality & product as much as possible, the whole dvi-i thing standing out 2011-10-17 01:49 or DocScrutinizer's 'X' 2011-10-17 01:49 what's the speed of rc3 sales? can we find new customers? distributors? 2011-10-17 01:50 some parts may have long lead times, such as power supplies (2 months) 2011-10-17 01:50 the cases took 8 months ;_) 2011-10-17 01:50 how are rc3 sales composed ? mainly people who have been waiting already ? 2011-10-17 01:50 :-) 2011-10-17 01:50 no 2011-10-17 01:50 new random people from here and there 2011-10-17 01:50 (case) ouch ! 2011-10-17 01:50 well 2011-10-17 01:50 roh can probably do it faster, but for 150, it's at least a month or so 2011-10-17 01:51 and it's very expensive 2011-10-17 01:51 try kristianpaul's shop ? 2011-10-17 01:51 maybe we can improve the metal sheet, buttons 2011-10-17 01:51 *cough* I get you those in < 1 week 2011-10-17 01:51 nah 2011-10-17 01:51 you guys are doing easy superficial talk :-) 2011-10-17 01:51 lacks QA 2011-10-17 01:51 not really, I got my acrylic shop here, and they do awesome things 2011-10-17 01:52 incl arbitrary CNC iirc 2011-10-17 01:52 the screws are still not right 2011-10-17 01:52 even though roh already spent an ungodly amount of time on them 2011-10-17 01:52 the feet cost a fortune 2011-10-17 01:52 buttons should probably be milled. not sure how smooth the surface would be, but there doesn't need to be any fancy gluing and such 2011-10-17 01:52 the metal sheet and insulation layer is a pain 2011-10-17 01:52 gluing the buttons out of 3 pieces is a pain 2011-10-17 01:52 acrylic tolerances cause a lot of issues 2011-10-17 01:53 width tolerance 2011-10-17 01:53 indeed, noo way 2011-10-17 01:53 ok just trust me - a lot of work 2011-10-17 01:53 superficial* 2011-10-17 01:53 the width tolerances are a bit outlandish, yes 2011-10-17 01:53 gluWHAT? 2011-10-17 01:53 i dont think i could find any acrylic with such wide tolerances around here ;-) 2011-10-17 01:53 so with rc4, I want to improve a lot of things 2011-10-17 01:53 cheaper, easier to manufacture, etc. 2011-10-17 01:53 wpwrak: when did you do your last acrylic project? 2011-10-17 01:54 i haven't worked acrylic yet 2011-10-17 01:54 ah :-) 2011-10-17 01:54 but i've been looking around for sources. problem here is to get it in reasonable quantities 2011-10-17 01:54 there is always some problem 2011-10-17 01:54 the magic with rc3 is that we actually ship a good product 2011-10-17 01:54 not some 'but' included 2011-10-17 01:54 the suppliers sell it in large sheets, often 1 x 2 m or such. 2011-10-17 01:55 so with rc4, I want to do my absolute best 2011-10-17 01:55 improvements all over 2011-10-17 01:55 wpwrak: you need a better shop 2011-10-17 01:55 from a volume perspective, it should be 150 2011-10-17 01:55 but I also need to be careful that I don't sit on a lot of unsellable junk later 2011-10-17 01:55 hardware inventory is nasty 2011-10-17 01:55 DocScrutinizer: the small shops want to do the engraving, so they don't sell the raw material :) 2011-10-17 01:55 yes 2011-10-17 01:56 well, no 2011-10-17 01:56 the pixels of the 'M' logo should be surface scanned, that would look much nicer I think 2011-10-17 01:56 anyway, there are hundreds of little things 2011-10-17 01:56 not here, they do, but also sell raw 2011-10-17 01:56 any qty 2011-10-17 01:56 first step, let's make the electrical & layout as good as we can 2011-10-17 01:56 ah, I will add Joerg's 'X' idea now... 2011-10-17 01:56 to here http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Milkymist_One_RC3_Known_Issues 2011-10-17 01:57 DocScrutinizer: hmm, there's one next door. haven't asked them yet. maybe i can get a little piece from them, to get started 2011-10-17 01:57 we could even explore a metal case 2011-10-17 01:57 what are the priorities? 2011-10-17 01:57 also add my concerns about a VGA connector with no real mech support from anything but PCB 2011-10-17 01:57 #1 find as many paying customers as fast as possible 2011-10-17 01:58 may be metal will be friendly with tolerances? 2011-10-17 01:58 i wouldn't change the case a lot. it currently "works". 2011-10-17 01:58 #2 never go 'out of stock', whether rc3 or rc4 or ever, we must always be able to sell a 'video synthesizer' 2011-10-17 01:58 wpwrak: it changes by it self :) 2011-10-17 01:58 #3 improve rc4 as much as possible, make it the best possible product we can make 2011-10-17 01:58 DocScrutinizer: isn't that pretty much "industry standard" ? 2011-10-17 01:58 #4 from a numbers perspective, I'd like to double the run size, i.e. from 80 to 160 2011-10-17 01:58 don't think so 2011-10-17 01:59 maybe on 2mm PCB gfk 2011-10-17 01:59 wpwrak: who do you think should have a labsw? 2011-10-17 01:59 what is the future potential of the board? 2011-10-17 02:00 I'm wondering whether we should make a labsw before/during/after rc4 2011-10-17 02:00 kristianpaul: do you want to manufacture some labsw? :-) 2011-10-17 02:00 I pay, you export from Colombia to the world! :-) 2011-10-17 02:00 hum, interesting :) 2011-10-17 02:01 yes, I think technically it's within reach for you and the shops you have easy access to in Colombia, no? 2011-10-17 02:01 yes i can do all remotelly from home :) 2011-10-17 02:01 almost* 2011-10-17 02:02 my problem with labsw right now is that I don't fully understand who should have one, ideally, or what the long term potential could be 2011-10-17 02:02 definitely, that's the way to go 2011-10-17 02:02 and use local shops, whenever possible 2011-10-17 02:02 pcb, smt/dip 2011-10-17 02:02 (labsw) adam should have one. after that, i don't care ;-) 2011-10-17 02:02 come on, be more visionaire 2011-10-17 02:02 :) 2011-10-17 02:02 no other usefulness? 2011-10-17 02:03 production side i see, and agree wpwrak 2011-10-17 02:03 I see I need to do the homework myself 2011-10-17 02:03 oh, sure. but "productizing" it would be tricky 2011-10-17 02:03 read more about what it is :-) 2011-10-17 02:03 oh no, I don't want to productize it 2011-10-17 02:03 e.g., you probably can't sell it as 220 V capable 2011-10-17 02:03 it works with 110v now? 2011-10-17 02:03 and only that? 2011-10-17 02:04 at least you want to sell a board to extress M1 2011-10-17 02:04 there's also the problem with sourcing case parts 2011-10-17 02:04 no need 2011-10-17 02:04 my current understanding is that it's just a hacker tool 2011-10-17 02:04 for use in production environment, of course 2011-10-17 02:04 or stress testing 2011-10-17 02:04 or whatever yet unthinkable use 2011-10-17 02:04 (110 V) currently it's not designed to be suitable for voltages unsafe to touch. the coming design will be designed with 220 V in mind (with the usual safety margins, etc.) 2011-10-17 02:05 but i have no clue what safety regulations would have to be observed to make it really marketable as 220 V-ready 2011-10-17 02:06 wpwrak: next version will allo to add temperature probes? 2011-10-17 02:06 that will be very usefull, all in a box 2011-10-17 02:06 no need for extra hubs or hacked usb cat5 adapters :) 2011-10-17 02:06 for a usage point of view, i'd consider it "safe for ~30 VDC" and "can operate with 220 V, but treat the whole unit as if it was a live wire" 2011-10-17 02:06 come on, no safety regulations 2011-10-17 02:07 kristianpaul: naw, no temp probes ;-)) 2011-10-17 02:07 it's so amazing to me 2011-10-17 02:07 why?!! 2011-10-17 02:07 wolfspraul: right, china :) 2011-10-17 02:07 :) 2011-10-17 02:07 Chinese stuff is flooding the world 2011-10-17 02:07 well, but better 2011-10-17 02:07 its' flooding the world, right? 2011-10-17 02:07 it's everywhere 2011-10-17 02:07 and I know how it's made 2011-10-17 02:07 yeah 2011-10-17 02:07 I feel it's like a global conspiracy 2011-10-17 02:08 on one side you have people who just totally don't care, don't know, dont' want to know, how they are randomly throwing shit together that maybe works or maybe not 2011-10-17 02:08 and they sell 2011-10-17 02:08 and on the other side you have those fine, sophisticated, suit-wearing and PhD possessing intellectuals 2011-10-17 02:08 that are debating about paragraph A.3 subsection 15.9, some tiny detail in their regulations 2011-10-17 02:09 but at home, everywhere in their lifes, they are using the crap from the monkeys 2011-10-17 02:09 what is going on??? 2011-10-17 02:09 :-) 2011-10-17 02:09 it's hilarious to watch 2011-10-17 02:09 so whatever 2011-10-17 02:09 if you care about "safety regulations", then do so :-) 2011-10-17 02:10 i think it's a question of exposure 2011-10-17 02:10 I know one thing for sure - whatever you make will be 100 times more thought-through and more secure than a lot of things that are surrounding me and that I use every day 2011-10-17 02:10 even if you think you are not meeting "safety regulations" 2011-10-17 02:10 if we do something bad, we're easily exposed to the consequences 2011-10-17 02:10 yeah yeah 2011-10-17 02:10 :-) 2011-10-17 02:10 I wouldn't touch anything metallic in CHina on the street 2011-10-17 02:10 ;-) 2011-10-17 02:10 after you've watched the 'electricians' repairing stuff once, you won't 2011-10-17 02:11 wolfspraul: I do not touch any wall in my building outside my apartment 2011-10-17 02:11 wolfspraul: I saw the electricians here as well :) 2011-10-17 02:11 I don't step on any drain covers on the streets either 2011-10-17 02:11 just as any chinese wouldn't 2011-10-17 02:12 and I am not in china 2011-10-17 02:12 because still so many people are badly injured and die from falls into crappy covers that are loose, breaking, flip over, etc. 2011-10-17 02:12 wpwrak: you need to show more leadership, for the good of the world. you are the 'safety regulation' 2011-10-17 02:12 ;-)) 2011-10-17 02:13 100 times better than any 'regulator' (read: totally incompetent bureaucrat) 2011-10-17 02:13 seriously, the system is broken. the regulation is just paper, totally meaningless except for the salaries of the people writing them, which are still real. 2011-10-17 02:13 we have to take care and make good stuff, and once we think it's good, it is. 2011-10-17 02:13 where is the plug to be pull? :) 2011-10-17 02:14 wpwrak: who do you think watches the consequences? :-) 2011-10-17 02:14 the regulators pouring over paper regulations? 2011-10-17 02:14 the factory workers? 2011-10-17 02:14 the business people selling what their workers produced? 2011-10-17 02:14 I think it's either you or nobody... :-) 2011-10-17 02:15 well, one thing with high voltages is that i don't know that topic too well. i've been googling for the most obvious issues, but i may well be unaware of some others 2011-10-17 02:15 :-) 2011-10-17 02:15 you never stop 2011-10-17 02:15 the fact that you even think that already makes the difference! 2011-10-17 02:15 :-) 2011-10-17 02:16 anyway, just ranting, sorry 2011-10-17 02:16 reality is a funny game sometimes 2011-10-17 02:16 so... labsw only good for Adam? 2011-10-17 02:16 plus, there are some compromises between safety and usability. e.g., the banana receptacles i use would be considered unsafe for the last 10-20 years 2011-10-17 02:16 well, that's how many i plan to make :) 2011-10-17 02:16 well, a 2nd one for myself, too :) 2011-10-17 02:16 what's the vision with this thing? 2011-10-17 02:17 dunno. the electronics are be reproduced elsewhere. mechanics are a little harder. that is, front/rear panel and case 2011-10-17 02:17 s/are/can/ 2011-10-17 02:17 I need to think about it more. 2011-10-17 02:18 where it fits in the Qi universe in the long run 2011-10-17 02:18 (electronics) there are some electromechanical bits i'm not entirely happy about. e.g., the relays can be socketed. but the sockets are a sourcing problem. 2011-10-17 02:18 automate forÂ Â sure 2011-10-17 02:19 kristianpaul: it;s either labsw or throwing the power switch ~30'000 times ;-) 2011-10-17 02:19 oh yes :) 2011-10-17 02:20 I had a power strip once with built-in http server and remote control etc. 2011-10-17 02:20 forgot the brand, some German thing 2011-10-17 02:21 i was thinking too in remote control of a future M1 freedom box as rejon called 2011-10-17 02:22 ah yes that above 2011-10-17 02:23 but why not temp sensor wpwrak ? :) 2011-10-17 02:23 or i'm missing a i2c port somwhere ... 2011-10-17 02:23 what would be the use of knowing the temperature inside the labsw ? 2011-10-17 02:24 no no, room temperature 2011-10-17 02:24 could labsw control a temperature chamber? 2011-10-17 02:24 well, that should be similar. labsw shouldn't get very warm 2011-10-17 02:24 why? well check this freaking expensice thing http://www.nagios.org/products/environmental/esensors 2011-10-17 02:25 expensice/expensive 2011-10-17 02:25 (temp chamber) you would probably start with the chamber, then add a controller 2011-10-17 02:25 cost same as M1 i cant beleive it 2011-10-17 02:26 pricy :) maybe you can make one with a button cell and wpan :) 2011-10-17 02:26 wpwrak: hey wait, what about temp control for reflow process or something in a obven perhaps? (dunno how is that really usefull in SMT) 2011-10-17 02:26 kristianpaul: you need to get over pricey being bad 2011-10-17 02:27 a business creates value, so it can reinvest that money into more progress, more value 2011-10-17 02:27 the more it can charge, the better, even for its customers :-) 2011-10-17 02:27 yeah, they feel better etc.. :) 2011-10-17 02:27 nah it's not that simple 2011-10-17 02:28 ah :) 2011-10-17 02:28 if you don't trust the business on the other side, maybe you should not buy from them at all 2011-10-17 02:28 everybody will be better off... 2011-10-17 02:33 (reinvest) yes thats very important 2011-10-17 02:45 calls it a day 2011-10-17 02:46 n8 2011-10-17 02:46 you might call it 2 days as well :-) 2011-10-17 07:19 xiangfu: (building on 32bit host as well) - thanks! 2011-10-17 07:21 though the only thing needed frmo 32bit host is the SDK and Toolchain tarballs :) i don't think it makes sense to provide two different images 2011-10-17 07:21 kyak, I am working on it. already build. 2011-10-17 07:21 kyak, yes. agree. 2011-10-17 07:21 kyak, checkout: build.openmobilefree.net 2011-10-17 07:22 cool, it started building :) 2011-10-17 07:23 not without errors though 2011-10-17 07:23 kyak, it is all same with the fidelio.qi-hardware.com. only it is 32bit. 2011-10-17 07:23 yep, i see 2011-10-17 07:24 I meet some errors. I will fix today. 2011-10-17 07:25 I will buy two hard disks recently. my host don't have much space now. after build the openwrt full_system it maybe 90% used. :) 2011-10-17 07:28 you are blogging to much ;) 2011-10-17 07:29 backup my laptop hard disk :) 2011-10-17 07:30 and the problem is laptop 500GB, Server 160GB :) 2011-10-17 07:33 i thought everybody is keeping their stuff on a Cloud already :) 2011-10-17 08:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: add recently new packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/e75b38e 2011-10-17 08:12 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: sort all sections (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/3d86754 2011-10-17 09:31 tuxbrain: my package just arrived :) 2011-10-17 09:31 hope i find the time to start playing with the dongles 2011-10-17 09:31 ... on the weekend 2011-10-17 09:36 blogic: thanks for buying stuff from Tuxbrain! :-) 2011-10-17 09:36 haha 2011-10-17 09:36 yes! 2011-10-17 09:36 :-) 2011-10-17 09:37 its nice to see that the usb part of the dongle is a meag32u2 2011-10-17 09:39 wpwrak: you made these dongles, right ? 2011-10-17 09:40 as in the atusb 802.15.4 thing 2011-10-17 09:48 ah yes, guilty as charged ;-) 2011-10-17 09:48 nice 2011-10-17 09:52 glad you like them ! :) 2011-10-17 10:00 blogic: you got a pair of atusbs ? 2011-10-17 10:01 or atben+atusb ? 2011-10-17 10:02 a pair 2011-10-17 10:02 i have no nano note 2011-10-17 10:02 i want to pair 2 openwrt devices 2011-10-17 10:02 i have a spare tpl1043 and rspro 2011-10-17 10:03 so i will probably use those 2 units 2011-10-17 10:05 any specific application in mind ? 2011-10-17 10:08 not sure 2011-10-17 10:08 i was contacted by a few italians that wanna play with this stuff 2011-10-17 10:08 and asked for me to port the drievrs and apps to openwrt 2011-10-17 10:09 so i said, sure send me hw pr0n 2011-10-17 10:09 heh, nice :) 2011-10-17 10:27 kyak: you should maybe backport the latest opkg fix from trunk, the current version contains a double free which may lead to a seg fault with a corrupted status db on certain package removal operations 2011-10-17 10:29 jow_laptop: thanks for notifying; that would be pretty easy, since we are on trunk already.. Just a matter of catching up with trunk svn 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/42cfc61 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c389527 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/03f9977 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b5a9c9a 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b274721 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/948a9cc 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1fdde47 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] David KÃ¼hling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9048c19 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/252345f 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/75e7b56 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2d62caf 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cd6e232 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0eb17f7 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0e98cca 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/67e619e 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: busybox: backport reverse history search patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/f718120 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: enable-silent-console.patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e956c56 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot silent console (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/e64b1c6 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bfd4625 2011-10-17 10:37 [commit] kyak: kernel-3.0: add fbcon color fonts patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/87387eb 2011-10-17 10:38 cool, all patches rebased on top even without conflicts 2011-10-17 10:39 kyak: thanks for helping, as usual! 2011-10-17 11:03 wolfspraul: it's my pleasure to do at least something useful :) 2011-10-17 11:03 i haven't been very active recently after changing my job.. 2011-10-17 11:04 this employer sure does know how to make me busy 2011-10-17 11:12 kyak: you gave up a job that let you do whatever you want pretty much 100% of the time ??! 2011-10-17 11:28 kyak: he, understand :-) but I'm not so worried about slow, as long as we keep chugging away things will be fine 2011-10-17 11:28 and slowly but surely the software on the Ben actually becomes usable :-) 2011-10-17 11:30 hi 2011-10-17 11:31 how can I copy a full directory with /usr/bin/install from a makefile? 2011-10-17 11:33 $(CP) ... ...Â Â ? 2011-10-17 11:35 is that a clean way to do it? 2011-10-17 11:35 everything seems to use $(INSTALL) instead 2011-10-17 11:35 depends 2011-10-17 11:36 many openwrt packages use $(CP), especially in conjunction with PKG_INSTALL as the inner Makefile takes care of moving files to the right palces with correct permissions then 2011-10-17 11:36 I'm using buildroot :) 2011-10-17 11:36 buildroot follows the same principle 2011-10-17 11:36 $(CP) is not defined here 2011-10-17 11:37 ok, then the answer is you can't 2011-10-17 11:37 afair you can use wildcards to install more than one file 2011-10-17 11:37 that would be surprising 2011-10-17 11:37