2011-10-12 08:04 <solrize> hey is openssl on the nanonote?  can someone run "openssl speed rsa1024" and paste the output?  thanks!
2011-10-12 09:16 <rejon_> solrize, yes it is
2011-10-12 09:16 <rejon_> solrize, great to get you using a nanonote :)
2011-10-12 12:41 <jow_laptop> xiangfu: to make udhcp send the hostname, simply add "option hostname whatever" to /etc/config/network file
2011-10-12 12:41 <jow_laptop> within the config interface lan section
2011-10-12 12:42 <xiangfu> jow_laptop, oh. yes. thanks
2011-10-12 12:42 <xiangfu> then I need send another patch to upstream. :)
2011-10-12 12:43 <xiangfu> I will do that. 
2011-10-12 12:43 <xiangfu> jow_laptop,  by the way I have send some naonote linux 3.0 patches to openwrt mailing list. so far no one reply. maybe you can take a look of those patches. it compile fine(the buildhost build it everyday :) 
2011-10-12 12:45 <jow_laptop> I think its up to larsc to integrate those
2011-10-12 12:45 <jow_laptop> thats why nobody else replied
2011-10-12 12:45 <jow_laptop> does not mean they're wrong or not appreciated, just that the platform maintainer did not react yet
2011-10-12 12:46 <xiangfu> ok. 
2011-10-12 12:46 <jow_laptop> I can take a look of course when I find time
2011-10-12 12:47 <xiangfu> thanks.
2011-10-12 12:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-cdf: added option -i to interpolate empirical results (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/13479e1
2011-10-12 12:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-corr: make scatter plot of time between corruptions (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/bb25893
2011-10-12 12:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/Makefile (list): remove the -stat suffix (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/ffe45cb
2011-10-12 12:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/Makefile: target "tar" to collect raw data files needed for further analysis (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/1c331b3
2011-10-12 12:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/plot-corr: options -n and -i to set samples and interval (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/36b52a9
2011-10-12 13:16 <xiangfu> C-Keen, I am creating one package frotz-games that include all your list zcode games. :)
2011-10-12 13:17 <xiangfu> download and test in nanonote now.
2011-10-12 13:17 <C-Keen> I don't have it with me atm but will gladly do so later
2011-10-12 13:22 <xiangfu> C-Keen, LostPig.zblorb Savoir-Faire.zblorb give me error 'Fatal error: Unknown Z-code version' 
2011-10-12 13:23 <xiangfu> C-Keen,  anchor.z8 give Fatal error: Illegal opcode
2011-10-12 13:24 <xiangfu> photopia.z5 vgame.z8 awaken.z5 adverbum.z5 works just fine.
2011-10-12 13:25 <xiangfu> C-Keen, sure, take your time.
2011-10-12 13:26 <C-Keen> xiangfu: I wonder whether they are in the correct format. I will come back to you with a solution
2011-10-12 13:26 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: frotz: add 4 zcode games (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f5a7f94
2011-10-12 13:27 <C-Keen> 4 games are a start :)
2011-10-12 13:27 <xiangfu> C-Keen, yes.
2011-10-12 13:28 <xiangfu> C-Keen, if you find the game is works fine and license is ok. you can just upload them to : http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/openwrt-packages/source/tree/master/frotz/files
2011-10-12 13:29 <xiangfu> there are quit a lot games : http://ifarchive.org/if-archive/games/zcode/  :)
2011-10-12 13:30 <C-Keen> yep
2011-10-12 13:30 <C-Keen> and each year there are a couple of new games
2011-10-12 13:30 <C-Keen> see ifcomp.org for the ongoing competition
2011-10-12 13:32 <xiangfu> cool
2011-10-12 13:37 <C-Keen> I love those :)
2011-10-12 13:39 <wolfspra1l> C-Keen: are those new games typically free? is there awareness for the need to specify licenses, or people just upload their stuff without much attention to licenses?
2011-10-12 13:43 <C-Keen> wolfspra1l: there is only a rule about that which might be a bit vague: All entries must be freely playable by judges, no strings attached. While you retain the copyright to any games you enter, by entering you are granting the competition and the Interactive Fiction Archive the non-exclusive right to distribute your game for free, and granting judges the right to play your game for free. No shareware, donorware, commercial products, etc. may be entered.
2011-10-12 13:45 <wpwrak> so IFA would have to acquire qi-hw and all ben users would have to become judges, and we'd be almost there ;-)
2011-10-12 13:45 <C-Keen> or I can try to mail authors and ask them for permission
2011-10-12 13:46 <C-Keen> some of them might still be reachable
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> wolfspra1l: The files and games on the archive
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> may not be compiled for commercial distribution without permission
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> from each and every author of the files you would like to
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> distribute. Note that commercial distribution includes selling games
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> or game compilations on online auction sites.
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> does preflashing in on a nanonote qualify as commercial? I'd say yes
2011-10-12 14:01 <C-Keen> s,in,it
2011-10-12 14:05 <wpwrak> NC licenses are so much fun :) (and yes, that would qualify. even including it in the official distribution for later upgrades should be considered that way)
2011-10-12 14:05 <C-Keen> so I suggest that you withdraw these games again as much as I like them
2011-10-12 14:06 <C-Keen> the legal status is too vague
2011-10-12 14:06 <C-Keen> you could add a readme and point people to the archive of course
2011-10-12 14:13 <wpwrak> i think the correct approach is to ask the authors and include only those where you get a favourable answer. not sure what licensing terms wolfgang would consider acceptable. i guess he'd prefer the simplicity of public domain, CC0, or WTF ;-)
2011-10-12 14:15 <C-Keen> I am sorry for having cause so much trouble
2011-10-12 14:15 <wpwrak> pity that there doesn't seem to be open source
2011-10-12 14:16 <wpwrak> i don't think there's been much trouble. licensing issues are daily business ;-)
2011-10-12 14:16 <C-Keen> for example the game adverbum contains a license that it needs explicit permission from the author to be distributed by other means than ifarchive or the author's website
2011-10-12 14:16 <C-Keen> wpwrak: well xiangfu already has comitted some games :/
2011-10-12 14:18 <C-Keen> the awakening seems to be ok wrt license
2011-10-12 14:20 <C-Keen> but that seems to be the only one :/
2011-10-12 14:20 <C-Keen> wolfspra1l: ^ 
2011-10-12 14:20 <jow_laptop> you could include a downloader instead
2011-10-12 14:21 <jow_laptop> some choice list + wget download script
2011-10-12 14:21 <jow_laptop> like msttcorefonts are handled on major distros
2011-10-12 14:23 <C-Keen> yeah that's no problem
2011-10-12 14:23 <wpwrak> downloaders are tricky, too. in general, automated inclusion should be considered the same as actual inclusion. except for cases where it merely enforces some click-through license.
2011-10-12 14:23 <jow_laptop> k
2011-10-12 14:24 <wpwrak> not that i'd expect trouble with those games. but, for example, if this was for, say, an H.264 or MP3 decoder, it would be dangerous
2011-10-12 14:26 <wpwrak> because those who style themselves "rights owners" could argue that this makes the "illegal" offer part of the whole product. and they could use this to, say, get things banned from distribution, import, etc.
2011-10-12 14:27 <wpwrak> projects that produce only software downloadable from all over the internet are of course pretty immune to such threats. nobody will go after the meager pockets of some hacker in a distant country, not even "pour encourager les autres" (*)
2011-10-12 14:27 <wpwrak> (*) http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pour encourager les autres
2011-10-12 14:36 <wolfspra1l> C-Keen: no problem, then we remove all others but awakening
2011-10-12 14:37 <wolfspra1l> and we contact the authors about public domain / cc0 / cc-by / cc-by-sa etc.
2011-10-12 14:40 <wolfspra1l> C-Keen: you are not causing any problems btw. the links to ifarchive/ifcomp are great
2011-10-12 14:40 <wolfspra1l> unfortunately they don't care much about licensing other than their own needs, but there may still be good stuff there, we just need to do a little more homework
2011-10-12 14:40 <C-Keen> all is well then
2011-10-12 14:40 <wolfspra1l> absolutely
2011-10-12 14:41 <wolfspra1l> all is well
2011-10-12 14:41 <C-Keen> which reminds me to setup the cross compilation toolchain finally for a port of the chicken scheme compiler
2011-10-12 14:48 <solrize> hey wolfspra1l did you ever hear from sparkfun.com about them selling the nanonote?  they emailed me that they were going to look into it
2011-10-12 14:49 <wolfspra1l> solrize: oh nice, thanks a lot for advocating this!
2011-10-12 14:49 <wolfspra1l> no I did not hear from them
2011-10-12 14:49 <wolfspra1l> and from my perspective, my outside understanding of the sparkfun business, I think it would not fit
2011-10-12 14:50 <wolfspra1l> I think I also emailed them once or so, many moons ago - no response
2011-10-12 14:50 <wolfspra1l> which confirmed my suspicion that it's a mismatch
2011-10-12 14:50 <solrize> oh well
2011-10-12 14:50 <wolfspra1l> but I'm open minded, and it's great that you ping them too
2011-10-12 14:50 <solrize> how about thinkgeek.com?
2011-10-12 14:50 <wolfspra1l> my understanding of their business is a guess
2011-10-12 14:51 <wolfspra1l> have never tried thinkgeek
2011-10-12 14:53 <solrize> it was just a thought
2011-10-12 14:54 <wolfspra1l> yes, it's good
2011-10-12 14:54 <wolfspra1l> like I say: thank you for helping!
2011-10-12 14:54 <solrize> np
2011-10-12 14:55 <solrize> are you still planning a YA?
2011-10-12 14:56 <wolfspra1l> absolutely
2011-10-12 14:56 <solrize> cool
2011-10-12 14:56 <wolfspra1l> just keep in mind we play for the long run here
2011-10-12 14:56 <wolfspra1l> I think Ben NanoNote develops very well
2011-10-12 14:57 <solrize> it would be nice to have a microsim slot
2011-10-12 14:57 <wolfspra1l> now Milkymist One, my second product. it interacts with the NanoNote in some ways in the future, which ways exactly is not clear yet :-)
2011-10-12 14:57 <solrize> hehe
2011-10-12 14:57 <wolfspra1l> microsim for 3g ?
2011-10-12 14:57 <wpwrak> thinkgeek may be a slightly closer match. the ben is actually a bit between the two. thinkgeek is more about geeky end-user products. so the ben may not be polished enough. while it may be considered too polished for sparkfun. tricky ;-)
2011-10-12 14:58 <solrize> microsim for security coprocessor
2011-10-12 14:58 <wolfspra1l> can you be more specific technically?
2011-10-12 14:58 <wolfspra1l> which coprocessor do you have in mind?
2011-10-12 14:59 <solrize> maybe basiccard.de at first but the idea is to have a generic slot
2011-10-12 14:59 <solrize> basiccard.com
2011-10-12 15:02 <solrize> the idea is to run gnupg on the nano with the keys on the sim
2011-10-12 15:08 <solrize> another interesting product might be a server version of the nano... basically a nano w/no keyboard screen or battery, perhaps 4 or 8 of them on a single board
2011-10-12 15:09 <solrize> with an ethernet port and built in switch
2011-10-12 15:09 <solrize> i've been messing around with ultra cheap vps hosting (lowendbox.com)
2011-10-12 15:10 <solrize> and sometimes you really want a physically separate server that doesn't have to be powerful
2011-10-12 15:56 <DocScrutinizer> microsim port for this purpose is way to specific. I'd suggest a USB host port with a USB microsim dongle
2011-10-12 15:56 <DocScrutinizer> if you build the USB into a bay to avoid protruding parts when dongle got plugged, this could be a very rugged and useful design
2011-10-12 15:57 <DocScrutinizer> wait, PC-card slots come with a USB port afaik
2011-10-12 15:58 <wpwrak> sounds all very bulky
2011-10-12 15:58 <DocScrutinizer> so a PC-card -> generic USB receptacle adapter might be a friggin nice "peripheral"
2011-10-12 15:59 <DocScrutinizer> looks at all his USB dongles and thiks most of them are all but bulky
2011-10-12 16:01 <DocScrutinizer> seems a length of 40mm excl plug * 18mm * 9mm is pretty much a defacto standard formfactor
2011-10-12 16:02 <DocScrutinizer> though some storage sticks are like 56mm long
2011-10-12 16:03 <DocScrutinizer> still < 9mm * 18mm, so such a stick would protrude from that bay a 16mm
2011-10-12 16:04 <wpwrak> ergo such a thing wouldn't really fit _inside_ a future nanonote
2011-10-12 16:05 <DocScrutinizer> registers patent of a sliding USB receptacle, to both slide out dongles to pull them and also protrude "shirt" dongles just enough to expose LEDs etc
2011-10-12 16:05 <DocScrutinizer> short*
2011-10-12 16:08 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: I stopped censoring my ideas ruled by some case designer's idea of the product's formfactor, when I seen gta03 go down basically for "WHAT?! 5mm longer?"
2011-10-12 16:09 <DocScrutinizer> btw I really warned Tully about exactly that would happen when he contacted me about that +5mm idea
2011-10-12 16:11 <DocScrutinizer> It still hurts I missed to utter a "toldya!"
2011-10-12 16:11 <wpwrak> yeah, but here's it's more like 5 cm ;-)
2011-10-12 16:12 <wpwrak> you can still send him a mail :)
2011-10-12 16:13 <DocScrutinizer> 5cm?? err - your next device is meant to be 15*15*15mm?
2011-10-12 16:14 <wpwrak> taking into account that is should contain more than just your internal USB bay ;)
2011-10-12 16:14 <wpwrak> and yes, 15mm cubed would be pretty cool ;)
2011-10-12 16:15 <DocScrutinizer> if that case is at least 60mm wide and 12mm thick, then I can't see such a bay adding anything more than a 20mm height
2011-10-12 16:15 <wpwrak> 20 mm !!
2011-10-12 16:16 <wpwrak> why not a 19" rack ? ;-)
2011-10-12 16:16 <DocScrutinizer> meh
2011-10-12 16:16 <DocScrutinizer> runs to sell his patent to Nokia rather than wasting it here
2011-10-12 16:17 <wpwrak> new market niche: portable computes to sell at fitness studios ;)
2011-10-12 16:18 <DocScrutinizer> registers a sequel patent: dual use for the bay: audio transmission line
2011-10-12 16:19 <DocScrutinizer> or reflex volume
2011-10-12 16:19 <DocScrutinizer> aka closed chamber
2011-10-12 16:20 <DocScrutinizer> waves
2011-10-12 17:24 <rjeffries> this talk might be interesting: http://ossg.bcs.org/2011/10/
2011-10-12 17:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1rc3/norruption/2/upset: take address and value from command-line; report outcome (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/d6e1e8b
2011-10-12 18:19 <viric> the milkymist takes only 5W?
2011-10-12 18:19 <viric> impressive.
2011-10-12 20:03 <kristianpaul> viric: considering that this fpga actually aparently dont do too much power saving yes :) 
2011-10-12 20:11 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-10112011-1539/
2011-10-12 20:47 <viric> kristianpaul: the fpga or the circuit there programmed?
2011-10-12 20:48 <kristianpaul> viric: last one i guess. tought i havent readt too much about powersaving in fpga
2011-10-12 20:48 <viric> ok
2011-10-12 20:48 <viric> I imagine it's about keeping lines steady
2011-10-12 20:48 <kristianpaul> but seabiesten saids short cirtuits are very common :)
2011-10-12 20:48 <kristianpaul> inside it
2011-10-12 20:48 <kristianpaul> sebastien*
2011-10-12 20:49 <viric> 'short circuit', meaning, circuits too short?
2011-10-12 20:49 <viric> or some other meaning?
2011-10-12 20:52 <mth> it means it has too little resistance, like when you accidentally connect two paths that shouldn't be connected
2011-10-12 20:53 <viric> an abnormal situation then
2011-10-12 20:53 <mth> yes, I think the term is only used for when bad things happen
2011-10-12 20:54 <mth> some stray solder or wire connecting +5V to ground, for example
2011-10-12 20:57 <viric> yes, clear.
2011-10-12 20:58 <viric> a current circuit made too short, compared to how it would be if working fine
2011-10-12 20:58 <mth> yes
2011-10-12 20:58 <viric> I don't really get that about FPGAs then; bad manufactured? Bad units?
2011-10-12 21:00 <mth> I don't know how they work internally; maybe bad programming can create short circuits
2011-10-12 21:00 <viric> interesting.
2011-10-12 21:01 <viric> I've always worked with fpgas at the level of expecting "they work fine, only me introduces problems" :)
2011-10-12 21:20 <kristianpaul> http://www.media.mit.edu/events/medialabtalk/