2011-10-01 02:59 <DocScrutinizer> vbus=3.3V --- see definition of OTG session. >>small world and it smells funny, I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money"
2011-10-01 03:01 <DocScrutinizer> A small world and it smells bad, I'd buy another if I had --- Vision Thing
2011-10-01 03:02 <wpwrak> (otg) ah, tell me ? does 3.3 V do something "magical" >
2011-10-01 03:02 <wpwrak> s/>/?/
2011-10-01 03:02 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I think ~4V do sth magical
2011-10-01 03:03 <DocScrutinizer> then also 0.8V and some dunno Volt do something
2011-10-01 03:03 <wpwrak> nice. the goal is then to have one codepoint every 100 mV ? :-)
2011-10-01 03:03 <DocScrutinizer> there are like 3 thresholds for VBUS voltage, 3V3 is clearly outa range
2011-10-01 03:05 <wpwrak> yeah, i was thinking more of the non-standard but common case that you just LDO those 5 V down to 3.3 V. your logic probably works at 3.3 V anyway
2011-10-01 03:05 <wpwrak> (simple USB devices, of course)
2011-10-01 03:05 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.stericsson.com/technical_documents/CD00222700.pdf  8.7.2 VBUS comparators
2011-10-01 03:07 <DocScrutinizer>  The ISP1704A minimum threshold for the VBUS valid comparator is 4.4 V. Any voltage on VBUS below this threshold is considered invalid.
2011-10-01 03:07 <wpwrak> wow. fancy signaling indeed.
2011-10-01 03:08 <DocScrutinizer> The session valid threshold of the ISP1704A is between 0.8 V to 2.0 V.
2011-10-01 03:08 <DocScrutinizer> The session end comparator determines when VBUS is below the B-device session end threshold of 0.2 V to 0.8 V. The B-device uses this threshold to determine when a session has ended.
2011-10-01 03:10 <wpwrak> so a "B-device" has its own power ? or can it sensibly buffer power received from the other device ?
2011-10-01 03:10 <DocScrutinizer> B has no own power
2011-10-01 03:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's the def of B afaik
2011-10-01 03:11 <wpwrak> then it has to buffer .. or run on a very very low voltage :)
2011-10-01 03:11 <DocScrutinizer> (unless it's OTG and wants to initiate HNP)
2011-10-01 03:12 <DocScrutinizer> (we exploited HNP for hostmode on N900 before we got our shit sorted)
2011-10-01 03:14 <DocScrutinizer> >>I've seen the best of man go past; I don't wanna be the last<<
2011-10-01 03:15 <DocScrutinizer> gnite o/
2011-10-01 03:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ye8fBEkcc
2011-10-01 03:22 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: reverse solipsism ? :)
2011-10-01 03:30 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/When-You-Don't-See-Me-lyrics-The-Sisters-Of-Mercy/D9B272589E7DA9CE48256C7000154F90
2011-10-01 03:31 <DocScrutinizer> meh, just give "vision thing" a try
2011-10-01 03:35 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sisters+of+mercy&aq=f  and  http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sisterhood&aq=f
2011-10-01 03:35 <DocScrutinizer> how's Zecke?
2011-10-01 03:42 <DocScrutinizer> actually http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sisterhood+gift  - to get rid of pr0n and dunno what
2011-10-01 03:53 <grvrulz> hello everyone! I'm pl'anning to buy a nanonote. I was wondering if one can change the keymap to dvorak, coz i'm used to it and cant use qwerty efficiently.
2011-10-01 04:00 <DoctorJeep> it's linux
2011-10-01 04:00 <wolfspraul> grvrulz: hi welcome!
2011-10-01 04:00 <grvrulz> wolfspraul: hi :)
2011-10-01 04:00 <wpwrak> grvrulz: the physical layout, not really. (that is, you can cut the existing one into pieces and glue them together in a different way, but that's messy at best)
2011-10-01 04:00 <DoctorJeep> o/ wolfspraul 
2011-10-01 04:00 <wolfspraul> changing the software should be easy, and if you need help we surely will do it together, and feed it back into our images
2011-10-01 04:00 <wolfspraul> yeah, changing the hardware (physical keys) - I'd say 'no'
2011-10-01 04:00 <wpwrak> grvrulz: and wolfgang already answered the logical layout ;-)
2011-10-01 04:00 <grvrulz> wpwrak: I cud use stickers
2011-10-01 04:01 <wolfspraul> they will come off
2011-10-01 04:01 <wpwrak> ah, maybe that works
2011-10-01 04:01 <wolfspraul> my very first business as a 15-year old was to sell stickers to change keyboard layouts from German into Russian :-)
2011-10-01 04:02 <wolfspraul> I had a nice cutting tool made, but the problem was the glue
2011-10-01 04:02 <DoctorJeep> glue improved a lot since
2011-10-01 04:02 <wolfspraul> oh don't let me stop you
2011-10-01 04:04 <grvrulz> does it follow the debian pattern of settings? I mean i should find the keymap setting in some rc file?
2011-10-01 04:05 <wolfspraul> unfortunately I don't know exactly where they are, and xiangfu who might know is offline over the Chinese holidays
2011-10-01 04:05 <wolfspraul> but some googling may help, as we had this discussion several times
2011-10-01 04:05 <wolfspraul> lemme see :-)
2011-10-01 04:05 <wolfspraul> ok if you google for 'nanonote change keymap' you find a number of sites talking about it
2011-10-01 04:07 <grvrulz> wolfspraul: i found some.. I'll go buy it n start hackin then
2011-10-01 04:08 <grvrulz> wolfspraul: DocAvalanche wpwrak : thank you for the help :)
2011-10-01 04:27 <wolfspraul> oh he left so quick
2011-10-01 04:27 <wolfspraul> and now even xiangfu is there :-)
2011-10-01 04:27 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: happy holidays!
2011-10-01 04:31 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it fun? Nokia rolls out a N9 with an OS that'S actually good ol' maemo but hey think they need to call it meego. Then 1 day later intel announces meego is dead ;-P
2011-10-01 04:32 <wolfspraul> did you read about Tizian yet?
2011-10-01 04:32 <DocScrutinizer> sure I did
2011-10-01 04:32 <wolfspraul> and the latest twist, metemi or something?
2011-10-01 04:32 <DocScrutinizer> tizen
2011-10-01 04:32 <wolfspraul> ah
2011-10-01 04:33 <DocScrutinizer> melt-me err meltemi - a meamo-lite
2011-10-01 04:33 <DocScrutinizer> or QtMoko
2011-10-01 04:33 <wpwrak> i actually have a good feeling about all this
2011-10-01 04:33 <DocScrutinizer> hahahahahahaha
2011-10-01 04:34 <DocScrutinizer> rotfl
2011-10-01 04:34 <wolfspraul> free software is setup to benefit from chaos
2011-10-01 04:34 <wpwrak> it shows us just how visionary we were at openmoko ! radical gui u-turns every ~6 months. see, now also the big guys are doing it. we were pioneers !!
2011-10-01 04:34 <DocScrutinizer> well chaos there's plenty
2011-10-01 04:34 <wolfspraul> if the chaos is driven by clueless management with still too much money, please please, by all means: SPEND IT! :-)
2011-10-01 04:35 <DocScrutinizer> wipes away a tear from laughing
2011-10-01 04:37 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: I actually think you're the first one to have a good feeling abut all that madness - it's quite exhilarating
2011-10-01 04:38 <wpwrak> let's see ... how many GUI iterations did we have ? first, there was ... om2007 (?) with the big round black button with an orange wheel that wasn't a scroll wheel. with all the textures and fancy rendering one could possibly imagine. nimble as a beached whale.
2011-10-01 04:39 <wpwrak> that one was hard to kill. eventually, o-hand did it. and they made something very lean (good) and not comprehensive for mere homo sapiens. alas, our user base wasn't given the time to evolve into this one ...
2011-10-01 04:39 <xiangfu> wpwrak, seems GUI is big problem in all Linux base system. :)
2011-10-01 04:40 <wpwrak> next up was Qtopia, closely followed by an external parallel Android port
2011-10-01 04:41 <DocScrutinizer> andridiot \o/
2011-10-01 04:41 <DocScrutinizer> but back when it was actually cool to see it running on OM hw
2011-10-01 04:42 <wpwrak> and then, finally raster's e*. i actually don't remember why qtopia was binned. maybe lack of control.
2011-10-01 04:42 <wolfspraul> never ask why
2011-10-01 04:42 <DocScrutinizer> aka OM2008 ?
2011-10-01 04:43 <wolfspraul> (I also don't know, but too clear memories about the reasoning (or lack thereof) behind decisions makes my mind refuse to go there :-))
2011-10-01 04:43 <wolfspraul> right DocScrutinizer ?
2011-10-01 04:43 <DocScrutinizer> I think it must still ripe on some 5 ..7 devices here
2011-10-01 04:44 <wolfspraul> the only man to stand up in a room of 30+ people and declare something along the lines of "for this nonsense you don't need me"
2011-10-01 04:44 <wpwrak> raster's stuff may have been great ... if he had been given a bit more artistic freedom. he may have his set of crazy ideas, but he also sees pretty clearly what works and what doesn't. alas, his task was to implement what clearly doesn't work ...
2011-10-01 04:44 <wpwrak> wow ;-)
2011-10-01 04:45 <DocScrutinizer> wolfspraul: (nonsense) seems I was right, no?
2011-10-01 04:46 <wolfspraul> oh yes, totally
2011-10-01 04:46 <wolfspraul> not only factually (engineering-wise), but also on the impossibility of finding any remedy, i.e. leaving was indeed the best remaining option
2011-10-01 04:48 <wolfspraul> hardware development and manufacturing is indeed a tricky beast
2011-10-01 04:51 <wpwrak> ah, sweet memories :) well, i have to hit the sack. got a major barbecue today, with something like 17 people.
2011-10-01 04:52 <DocScrutinizer> I'm afraid I'll need my sunglasses if I stay any longer
2011-10-01 04:52 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: wow, enjoy
2011-10-01 04:54 <DocScrutinizer> waves
2011-10-01 05:45 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: labsw comes out a bit strange http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/labsw/
2011-10-01 05:47 <wolfspraul> before I dig deeper - did you try it locally? I am using -S, no -f or --order
2011-10-01 05:48 <wolfspraul> I point to labsw/labsw.sch
2011-10-01 08:29 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-09302011-0420/
2011-10-01 11:57 <Artyom> kristianpaul look at the http://gnss-sensor.com/ Very interesting idea. They implement acquisition and tracking inside hardware (FPGA for example) without external cpu. The same approach as I've already pointed you on http://code.google.com/p/cu-hw-gps/ 
2011-10-01 11:57 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (labsw) thanks ! where is the strangeness ? at a fist glance, it looks quite reasonmable
2011-10-01 12:35 <wolfspraul> hmm
2011-10-01 12:35 <wolfspraul> maybe the strangeness is in my iceweasel
2011-10-01 12:35 <wolfspraul> lemme try chromium
2011-10-01 12:36 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: looks the same. maybe this is on purpose now?
2011-10-01 12:37 <wolfspraul> the columns seem mixed up
2011-10-01 12:41 <wpwrak> looks good in konqueror .. let's see with firefox ...
2011-10-01 12:41 <wpwrak> looks good there, too
2011-10-01 12:41 <wpwrak> or do you mean the order of he columns ? (i.e., you'd expect "labsw" to come before the others, or such)
2011-10-01 12:46 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/wolfgang/tmp/labsw_sshot.jpg
2011-10-01 12:46 <wolfspraul> zoomed out but you see all sheets and get the idea
2011-10-01 12:46 <wolfspraul> is that how it's supposed to be?
2011-10-01 12:47 <wpwrak> oh, that looks wrong indeed
2011-10-01 12:47 <wpwrak> seems that these browsers suppress columns with just the vertical bar inside
2011-10-01 12:48 <wpwrak> do they get any of the other schhists right, atusb for example ?
2011-10-01 12:48 <wpwrak> ah, found it ;-)
2011-10-01 12:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: schhist/schhist2web: > was missing in IMG tag for unchanged.png (vertical bar) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/41a65ca
2011-10-01 12:50 <wpwrak> please update :) konq and firefox are just a little too good at fixing HTML bugs :)
2011-10-01 12:54 <wolfspraul> k will try, great!
2011-10-01 13:15 <kristianpaul> click
2011-10-01 13:20 <kristianpaul> 32 channels, wow
2011-10-01 13:31 <kristianpaul> 64 bits specialized procesor :)
2011-10-01 13:56 <kristianpaul> Artyom, is this place where you work? ;)
2011-10-01 13:57 <qwebirc68379> hi I would connect nannote openwrt to my ubuntu laptop
2011-10-01 13:57 <qwebirc68379> I am using swat
2011-10-01 13:57 <kristianpaul> but i agree, implement acquisition and tracking as hardware/firmware is a way to go
2011-10-01 13:57 <qwebirc68379> ping is fine
2011-10-01 13:57 <kristianpaul> hello qwebirc68379 
2011-10-01 13:57 <qwebirc68379> using squid proxy
2011-10-01 13:57 <qwebirc68379> hello to all
2011-10-01 13:58 <qwebirc68379> the squid.conf has been modified 
2011-10-01 13:58 <qwebirc68379> as indicate con qi-hardware wiki
2011-10-01 13:58 <qwebirc68379> indicATED
2011-10-01 13:58 <qwebirc68379> On nn
2011-10-01 13:58 <kristianpaul> where is indicated?
2011-10-01 13:58 <qwebirc68379> I set up export http_proxy
2011-10-01 13:59 <kristianpaul> are you installing debian on the nn?
2011-10-01 13:59 <kristianpaul> yes, export should work
2011-10-01 14:00 <qwebirc68379> no
2011-10-01 14:00 <qwebirc68379> but I am using the same gearings for openwrt
2011-10-01 14:00 <qwebirc68379> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Debian/Installer
2011-10-01 14:00 <qwebirc68379> and should work again
2011-10-01 14:00 <qwebirc68379> The Debian installer loads all installation data over the internet. Configure your Desktop PC to allow the Nanonote's Ethernet-over-USB interface access to the internet. A simple way to do that via NAT-forwarding is described here. As an alternative to NAT, you could install the squid proxy on your Deskotp (which is somewhat safer security-wise). On the Desktop, type:  sudo apt-get install squid  Then uncomment the follow
2011-10-01 14:01 <kristianpaul> what are you looking exactly? configure a http proxy in you nanonote so opkg could work?
2011-10-01 14:01 <kristianpaul> opkg and others programs of course
2011-10-01 14:01 <qwebirc68379> I did it
2011-10-01 14:01 <qwebirc68379> here you are the output
2011-10-01 14:01 <qwebirc68379> just wait for a while
2011-10-01 14:01 <kristianpaul> output of?
2011-10-01 14:01 <kristianpaul> Sorry, i'm lost, what are you trying to do?
2011-10-01 14:02 <qwebirc68379> ssh on nn
2011-10-01 14:02 <qwebirc68379> the set up http_proxy on nn
2011-10-01 14:02 <kristianpaul> ok, what about telnet first?
2011-10-01 14:02 <qwebirc68379> no I did not
2011-10-01 14:02 <kristianpaul> ok
2011-10-01 14:02 <qwebirc68379> I did it a just a ping
2011-10-01 14:02 <kristianpaul> ping from ... to .. ?
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> from both sides
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> from unbuntu to nn
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> from nn to ubuntu
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> and it works fine
2011-10-01 14:03 <kristianpaul> and it works OK ?
2011-10-01 14:03 <kristianpaul> good
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> No it does not
2011-10-01 14:03 <qwebirc68379> that is why I am here
2011-10-01 14:05 <qwebirc68379> first step sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100 up
2011-10-01 14:05 <qwebirc68379> on ubuntu
2011-10-01 14:05 <qwebirc68379> once squid has restarted with squid.conf wiki-modified
2011-10-01 14:07 <qwebirc68379> second step on ubuntu laptop ssh -l root 192.168.254.101
2011-10-01 14:10 <qwebirc68379> the on nn terminal I type export http_proxy=192.168.254.100:3128
2011-10-01 14:10 <qwebirc68379> is it correct
2011-10-01 14:10 <qwebirc68379> ?
2011-10-01 14:11 <qwebirc68379> ping 192.168.254.100 works fine on nn
2011-10-01 14:11 <qwebirc68379> but opkg update does not work
2011-10-01 14:12 <qwebirc68379> ping www.hotmail.com does not work on nn
2011-10-01 14:13 <qwebirc68379> do I have to modify resolv.conf on nn?
2011-10-01 14:13 <qwebirc68379> I am using a usb dongle on ubuntu
2011-10-01 14:13 <qwebirc68379> for the Internet connection
2011-10-01 14:14 <qwebirc68379> Is it useful the squid log?
2011-10-01 14:14 <qwebirc68379> any hints?
2011-10-01 14:18 <qwebirc68379> Am I clear?
2011-10-01 14:18 <kristianpaul> i think it should be export http_proxy=http://192.168.254.100:3128
2011-10-01 14:19 <kristianpaul> resolf.cong not related tot his
2011-10-01 14:20 <kristianpaul> resolf.conf*
2011-10-01 14:23 <qwebirc68379> I will try to follow this link for ubuntu http://www.ubuntugeek.com/setting-up-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-server-with-squid-3-as-a-transparent-proxy.html
2011-10-01 14:24 <kristianpaul> qwebirc68379: just curios, you have this proxy on your own laptop right?
2011-10-01 14:24 <kristianpaul> curious*
2011-10-01 14:25 <qwebirc68379> yes sir
2011-10-01 14:25 <qwebirc68379> I try to use squid 3 istead of squid 2
2011-10-01 14:25 <qwebirc68379> as indicated in the link for ubuntu
2011-10-01 14:29 <qwebirc68379> No sir
2011-10-01 14:29 <qwebirc68379> Now I am modifing the /etc/squid3/squid.conf on ubuntu with
2011-10-01 14:30 <qwebirc68379> http_port 3128 transparent
2011-10-01 14:30 <qwebirc68379> acl our_networks src 192.168.254.100/1 acl localnet src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255 http_access allow our_networks http_access allow localnet
2011-10-01 14:30 <qwebirc68379> and it shold work after a restart
2011-10-01 14:30 <qwebirc68379> should
2011-10-01 14:30 <kristianpaul> Okay, if the proxy is not in your laptop you could try to setup a brower in that ubuntu, and make sure it work there first
2011-10-01 14:34 <qwebirc68379> so in other words what could I do on ubuntu
2011-10-01 14:34 <qwebirc68379> ?
2011-10-01 14:34 <qwebirc68379> what program do I use?
2011-10-01 14:34 <qwebirc68379> is there a guided interface?
2011-10-01 14:36 <qwebirc68379> This is the output of squid
2011-10-01 14:36 <qwebirc68379> 2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: Netmasks are deprecated. Please use CIDR masks instead. 2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: IPv4 netmasks are particularly nasty when used to compare IPv6 to IPv4 ranges. 2011/10/01 16:35:16| WARNING: For now we will assume you meant to write /32
2011-10-01 14:42 <qwebirc68379> even with squid3 does not work on nn
2011-10-01 14:42 <qwebirc68379> only ping works
2011-10-01 14:56 <qwebirc68379> I do not know what to do
2011-10-01 14:59 <kristianpaul> qwebirc68379: first make sure your proxy works in nother not device, no the nanonote
2011-10-01 15:00 <kristianpaul> sorry i nevr had setup a quid proxy from scratch so i cant help too much on it :)
2011-10-01 15:03 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: after updating eda-tools, eeschema now gets stuck in the X server with "File <--plot=ps.sch> not found."
2011-10-01 15:04 <wolfspraul> maybe we updated the kicad patches as well and the server is behind? will check tomorrow. the joys of updates ;-)
2011-10-01 15:11 <qwebirc68379> kristianpaul
2011-10-01 15:11 <qwebirc68379> now it works
2011-10-01 15:12 <qwebirc68379> with export http_proxy=192.168.254.100:3128 no " or ' no http://
2011-10-01 15:13 <kristianpaul> oh, ok :)
2011-10-01 15:21 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: sounds as if you had fallen back to an unpatched version
2011-10-01 15:21 <qwebirc68379> I would know if it is possible to use a lighter openwrt festival (probably flite) with russian cyrillic words?
2011-10-01 15:22 <qwebirc68379> it is the latest openwrti
2011-10-01 15:22 <qwebirc68379> I updated it yesterday 
2011-10-01 15:24 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: there's only one change to the patches since your last one: from march 14, 984a6de70ac5d9247a022875b622a5453c08e49e
2011-10-01 15:26 <wpwrak> i don't see it affect --plot, though. and i've used --plot=ps recently. (well, the makefiles i used recently use --plot=ps somewhere deep down :)
2011-10-01 15:31 <wolfspraul> ok I will check
2011-10-01 15:35 <qwebirc68379> Is it possible to use gftp to tranfer file to qtdict on nn?
2011-10-01 15:35 <qwebirc68379> I would add some russian dictionarie...
2011-10-01 15:35 <qwebirc68379> dictionaries
2011-10-01 15:35 <qwebirc68379> transfer
2011-10-01 15:39 <qwebirc68379> thanks to all for your patience
2011-10-01 15:39 <qwebirc68379> Now I have to go
2011-10-01 17:45 <Clik-EA> hola, alguien habla español?
2011-10-01 17:50 <kristianpaul> Clik-EA: si
2011-10-01 17:51 <kristianpaul> Clik-EA: tienes un nanonote? :)
2011-10-01 17:53 <Clik-EA> no
2011-10-01 17:53 <Ayla> hola
2011-10-01 17:53 <Clik-EA> ando buscando un experto en laptops
2011-10-01 17:53 <kristianpaul> hum ..
2011-10-01 17:53 <Clik-EA> este canal que temas se tratan?
2011-10-01 17:53 <Clik-EA> !ping
2011-10-01 17:53 <kristianpaul> Copyleft hardware
2011-10-01 17:54 <kristianpaul> Clik-EA: http://qi-hardware.com
2011-10-01 17:55 <Clik-EA> entonces debe de haber algun experto en reparacion a laptops aqui
2011-10-01 17:55 <kristianpaul> no creo ;) pero uno nunca sabe
2011-10-01 17:55 <kristianpaul> talves estas buscando el canal #hardware ?
2011-10-01 17:56 <kristianpaul> aqui tenemos expertos en Ben NanoNote, atben/atusb, milkymist, labsw 
2011-10-01 18:59 <kristianpaul> Artyom, http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm
2011-10-01 18:59 <kristianpaul> amazing, even the fron-ent diy
2011-10-01 19:00 <kristianpaul> link via dsptb at #labsurlab
2011-10-01 19:00 <kristianpaul> he works listening to satellites, so he tought i would like that link ;)
2011-10-01 20:43 <Artyom> Kristianpaul, oh, source code is released now :) But very little comments...
2011-10-01 22:40 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: nice projects from Holme http://www.holmea.demon.co.uk/Projects.htm
2011-10-01 22:40 <wolfspraul> do you know how well he publishes/documents his works? is it all open?
2011-10-01 22:40 <wolfspraul> (too lazy to click through, maybe you already know :-))