2011-09-30 00:02 <DocScrutinizer51> magnetometer for 12mm² cable amperemeter
2011-09-30 00:31 <wpwrak> hmmm :)
2011-09-30 01:26 <wolfspraul> it looks like CERN is sponsoring some KiCad work?
2011-09-30 01:26 <wolfspraul> in the flood of mails I may have identified something like that, need to check a little whether it's a meaningful contribution, but it sounds like
2011-09-30 02:13 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-09282011-2207/
2011-09-30 03:13 <rejon> wolfspraul, is that spectec wifi chip working on latest builds of nn image?
2011-09-30 03:13 <rejon> xiangfu is where?
2011-09-30 03:20 <wolfspraul> rejon: I doubt it's working out of the box
2011-09-30 03:20 <wolfspraul> xiangfu is traveling over the chinese holidays, online once in a while
2011-09-30 03:21 <rejon> ok
2011-09-30 03:22 <rejon> wolfspraul, did you get any more ben-wpan?
2011-09-30 03:22 <wolfspraul> not yet
2011-09-30 03:22 <wolfspraul> good point, have to order more from tuxbrain :-)
2011-09-30 03:42 <wpwrak> regarding CERN: https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg06976.html
2011-09-30 04:34 <kristianpaul> very  interesting threads in cern mail lists http://lists.ohwr.org/sympa/arc/oh-workshop-2011/2011-09/msg00004.html 
2011-09-30 05:25 <wpwrak> grmbl. X crash :-(
2011-09-30 05:48 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: did you see ? <wpwrak> regarding CERN: https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg06976.html
2011-09-30 05:48 <wpwrak> and i think our next project should be a communication satellite for wolfgang :)
2011-09-30 05:50 <wolfspraul> I saw that mail but I thought it was a little light on details
2011-09-30 05:50 <wolfspraul> but maybe that is all for now
2011-09-30 05:53 <wpwrak> yeah, that's all i saw about it for now about putting resources into it. there's a bit more technical stuff on the cern side.
2011-09-30 06:12 <wpwrak> here, a bit hidden in "phase II" of the list here: http://www.ohwr.org/projects/ohr-meta/wiki/Foss-pcb
2011-09-30 06:12 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: redesigned rear connections to pair in/out by "near" potential (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/9ffb0c8
2011-09-30 06:12 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: re-layout for the various design changes (including potential separation) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/7bc6c89
2011-09-30 09:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: added partially populated DIP6 sockets since DIP4 is hard to source (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/162db38
2011-09-30 09:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/labsw.brd: tightened some traces (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/a124f1b
2011-09-30 10:11 <DocScrutinizer2> haha, now I see how wpwrak could dig out those weird "green" sockets
2011-09-30 10:13 <DocScrutinizer2> wpwrak: don't forget by any chance to insert dummy wire stubs into the 2 unused pins of the DIP6
2011-09-30 10:13 <DocScrutinizer2> or acrylic glue
2011-09-30 10:13 <DocScrutinizer2> dang
2011-09-30 10:15 <DocScrutinizer> wpwrak: you don't want to get confused and occasionally insert the chip one position off
2011-09-30 10:17 <DocScrutinizer> DIP4 ? Hell, yeah, never seen...
2011-09-30 11:28 <roh>   
2011-09-30 12:45 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: if you mis-insert, nothing bad will happen (except the circuit not operating, of course)
2011-09-30 12:46 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, of course
2011-09-30 12:47 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer: it's for the opto-couplers. i use small ones in DIP4. i pair most of them in DIP8, but there's one pair i can't put next to each other (due to possible difference in potential) 
2011-09-30 12:47 <DocScrutinizer> anyway blocking the unused contacts with a "plug" is a nice thing to do
2011-09-30 12:48 <DocScrutinizer> (optocouplers) gathered as much
2011-09-30 12:49 <wpwrak> do you know of such a "plug" ? i know this sort of thing for 100 mil heades (little plastic cones) but i've never seen anything like this for DIP
2011-09-30 12:50 <DocScrutinizer> well, for mass production you probably would want to use single contacts. For small series you as well could cut away the excessive contacts from a socket, with a saw
2011-09-30 12:51 <DocScrutinizer> no, I dunno such plugs for DIP etc contacts. I'd use copper wire, insert, cut
2011-09-30 12:52 <wpwrak> oh, i'll leave holes for the extra contacts. i made a nice 4/6 DIP footprint for that ;-)
2011-09-30 12:52 <DocScrutinizer> or simply apply a small drop of 2k-epoxy
2011-09-30 12:52 <wpwrak> that's probably the most professional way :)
2011-09-30 12:53 <wpwrak> anyway, if you get it wrong, nothing bad will happen. there are other potential mistakes you could make, such as mis-rotating.
2011-09-30 12:53 <DocScrutinizer> yup, sure
2011-09-30 13:21 <wpwrak> oh, very good, tyco have not renamed themselves to "TE connectivity". gee. too much brand name recognition ?
2011-09-30 13:22 <wpwrak> s/not/now/
2011-09-30 20:29 <wpwrak> the future of 3D printing: http://krebsonsecurity.com/2011/09/gang-used-3d-printers-for-atm-skimmers/
2011-09-30 20:33 <larsc> someone recently posted this link: http://www.vimeo.com/29670599 (note lekernel is in the background probably hacking on milkymist)
2011-09-30 20:36 <wpwrak> is it a demo to illustrate that streaming video doesn't work ? :)
2011-09-30 20:36 <larsc> it needs flash i think
2011-09-30 20:37 <wpwrak> that i have. even with firefox. but that doesn't seem to help much.
2011-09-30 20:37 <larsc> hm
2011-09-30 20:38 <larsc> maybe it was to offensive ;)
2011-09-30 20:38 <wpwrak> ah, 33 seconds. then it stopped again.
2011-09-30 20:46 <kristianpaul> ha, paula i know her :)
2011-09-30 20:46 <kristianpaul> what small world 
2011-09-30 20:49 <kristianpaul> i had seems similar histories but with coins, i dint knew it some are made from plastic already
2011-09-30 20:49 <kristianpaul> go a bar, print some before coins, have good beer :)
2011-09-30 20:52 <wpwrak> good idea. making the plastic coin is probably something like 100x as expensive as the real coin ;-)
2011-09-30 20:53 <kristianpaul> printcoin beats bitcoin soon? 
2011-09-30 23:14 <DocScrutinizer> isn't bitcoin actually just a very nifty distributed computing project aimed at creating a giant rainbow table? ;-)
2011-09-30 23:15 <kristianpaul> kinda yes :)
2011-09-30 23:18 <tsath> question; is the USB port on the Ben fully functional?
2011-09-30 23:18 <DocScrutinizer> hah
2011-09-30 23:18 <Ayla> what does "fully functional" means
2011-09-30 23:19 <tsath> that I could plug in a USB mouse, or other USB devices.
2011-09-30 23:19 <larsc> tsath: it is not a usb host port
2011-09-30 23:19 <tsath> ah. ok
2011-09-30 23:19 <larsc> you can use your nanonote as a usb mouse though
2011-09-30 23:19 <DocScrutinizer> ben *is* a "USB mouse"
2011-09-30 23:19 <tsath> i see.
2011-09-30 23:19 <larsc> or keyboard, or soundcard, or pendrive
2011-09-30 23:20 <DocScrutinizer> more precisely, ben is a usb peripheral
2011-09-30 23:20 <kristianpaul> and do not support USB host :)
2011-09-30 23:20 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes also called gadget iirc
2011-09-30 23:21 <tsath> yeath. gadget ethernet is nice.
2011-09-30 23:21 <tsath> any plans for Ben 2.0?
2011-09-30 23:22 <Ayla> what about USB host on the MMC slot?
2011-09-30 23:23 <tsath> good question
2011-09-30 23:35 <wpwrak> Ayla: you mean something like this ? http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2011-September/008933.html
2011-09-30 23:37 <Ayla> yes
2011-09-30 23:37 <Ayla> somebody actually started this or is it just a random thought?
2011-09-30 23:38 <wpwrak> just a random thought. so you can still grab it :-)
2011-09-30 23:38 <wpwrak> btw, you may not even need a boost converter for power. i could imagine that quite a lot of USB peripherals also work with VBUS = 3.3 V. but you'd have to give it a try.
2011-09-30 23:38 <Ayla> I'm a software guy. I'd be lost :)
2011-09-30 23:39 <wpwrak> this would be 99% software :)
2011-09-30 23:39 <Ayla> Yeah. Well, I'd gladly help if somebody takes the project
2011-09-30 23:39 <Ayla> but currently I'm working on so many projects at the same time