2011-09-19 01:03 kristianpaul: maybe here is better? 2011-09-19 01:03 how are you btw? haven't chat in a while! :-) I saw some gps wiki updates... any fix yet? :-) 2011-09-19 01:05 yeah sorry 2011-09-19 01:06 http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/low/sala41a/sala41a-low-201106301601.ogg Werner talk at fisl about making copyleft hardware 2011-09-19 01:06 downloading :-) 2011-09-19 01:06 wolfspraul: dont expect a fix yet 2011-09-19 01:06 what's the license of the video? 2011-09-19 01:06 but also thing is BAD 2011-09-19 01:06 i exlplain 2011-09-19 01:07 i'm working on getting telemtry, onces this came stable and with no problem, any gps/gnss/lib can work with the navigation data and get a fix point 2011-09-19 01:07 license... 2011-09-19 01:07 ask Werner ;-) 2011-09-19 01:07 he is the speaker anyway i guess 2011-09-19 01:08 yeah I just hope the guy holding the camera doesn't think his part is the most important... 2011-09-19 01:09 why low btw? Is this the matching high-res link? http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/high/sala41a/sala41a-high-201106301600.ogv 2011-09-19 01:09 yes, i'm editing wiki as i'll ge crazy if dont document steps i'm following 2011-09-19 01:09 low? well, my home dsl link is not the faster of the town :) 2011-09-19 01:09 if the license is acceptable I'll upload the high-res version into the Qi wiki for archival 2011-09-19 01:10 kristianpaul: ok keep talking about gps, sorry. I am downloading the low-res first and will check the license. 2011-09-19 01:10 so it's moving forward slowly? 2011-09-19 01:11 yes as always :) 2011-09-19 01:11 what is bad? 2011-09-19 01:11 yes 2011-09-19 01:11 :-) 2011-09-19 01:11 bit by bit 2011-09-19 01:11 :-) 2011-09-19 01:11 but that's good, it allows for some thinking in between, and good documentation 2011-09-19 01:11 is not bad, i just noticed i can improve speed if if ducment all better 2011-09-19 01:12 even what is not clear to me yet 2011-09-19 01:12 great 2011-09-19 01:12 i hate every weeked have to recall what was that i was having problems with and so on, so you can imagin my mess :) 2011-09-19 01:13 but namuru hdl, should be generally ok, now, what lacks and i'm working on is the acquisition algoryth that will allow later to track satelites 2011-09-19 01:14 once that work and is stable, i can celebrate a little here :) 2011-09-19 01:14 Artyom is moving forward too, so now i have more excuses to speedup ;) 2011-09-19 01:15 good 2011-09-19 01:15 the documentation part is great 2011-09-19 01:15 interesting thought that the weekend rhythm forces you to document well :-) 2011-09-19 01:16 kinda makes sense, I will think more about this idea... 2011-09-19 01:19 i work that way, or with task for a day within week. if cant resolve the problem in one day (actually when i traveling back to home in the bus), then i make some notes for weekedn 2011-09-19 01:19 but afaik some notes get lost.. i need to find better way to sync 2011-09-19 01:20 wolfspraul: https://twitter.com/#!/fisl_oficial check 12 sep updates, thats were link came from 2011-09-19 01:26 I downloaded the low-res video, no license info at all 2011-09-19 01:26 I will just assume the cc-by-sa from the presentation 2011-09-19 01:26 and I will download high-res, the quality is pretty bad in low 2011-09-19 01:29 (video license dunno) they made everyone sign a release form but i don't even know what exactly it says :) from my side, all is under cc-by-sa 2011-09-19 01:34 high-res link dint look like, even when the labels match quite 2011-09-19 01:34 (video finally released) that was quick :) 2011-09-19 01:34 kristianpaul: didn't look like? 2011-09-19 01:34 you mean the high-res video contains another talk? 2011-09-19 01:34 yes 2011-09-19 01:34 android 2011-09-19 01:34 vlc told me 2011-09-19 01:35 where is Werner's high-res talk then? 2011-09-19 01:35 i wish i know too :) 2011-09-19 01:35 kristianpaul: ack. checked the file 2011-09-19 01:36 btw may be the ogg file have more medatada like license, but vlc dint make that obvious 2011-09-19 01:36 first I try to find Werner in high-res 2011-09-19 01:36 i bet is this http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/high/sala41a/sala41a-high-201106301503.ogv 2011-09-19 01:36 is too big for been just one talk. 2011-09-19 01:36 ah, no.. 2011-09-19 01:37 I was just looking at that too 2011-09-19 01:37 720 MB 2011-09-19 01:37 Werner's talk in there? 2011-09-19 01:38 it's amazing how bad all this is btw 2011-09-19 01:38 2 months delay 2011-09-19 01:38 lousy quality 2011-09-19 01:38 i warned :) 2011-09-19 01:38 horrible browsing/metadata 2011-09-19 01:39 ccc should learn from then :p 2011-09-19 01:39 well, I think it's like this for a lot of events 2011-09-19 01:39 but not that bad 2011-09-19 01:39 even debian debconf have better releases dates 2011-09-19 01:39 there are just too few people passionate about video, documentaries, the realities of real-time and high-res streaming, etc. etc. 2011-09-19 01:40 so anyway, can we still find Werner in a little higher-res than the low-res link you found? 2011-09-19 01:40 that 720 MB file is wrong? (I am downloading right now) 2011-09-19 01:40 not donwload !! 2011-09-19 01:40 just launch vlc url.. and check tittle and duration 2011-09-19 01:41 who knows, I don't trust this 2011-09-19 01:41 media files are garbled, metadata is wrong, my vlc is also quite buggy and crashing etc :-) 2011-09-19 01:41 well if you have a T1 there, no problem :) 2011-09-19 01:42 I will download and check it with a couple of viewers 2011-09-19 01:42 oh well .. :) 2011-09-19 01:42 maybe the gems are in there somewhere 2011-09-19 01:42 720 mb is suspiciously large 2011-09-19 01:42 maybe the files ending in 00 are junk? 2011-09-19 01:42 your initial link pointed to a few seconds garbled firefox snippet 2011-09-19 01:43 how to support 400 million users, ha ha 2011-09-19 01:43 we should rephrase. how to never have to support 1 billion users. :-) 2011-09-19 01:44 after some resistance, I finally switched to chromium now. 400 million - 1 2011-09-19 01:44 finally http://gibson.softwarelivre.org/static/2011/high/sala41a/sala41a-high-201106301300.ogv 2011-09-19 01:44 1300 ? 2011-09-19 01:45 that's the same as 1601 in low-res ? 2011-09-19 01:46 downloading... 2011-09-19 01:46 vlc showed the tittle, and if i forward a bit i can see finally slides with links and listen questions so yes it is 2011-09-19 01:46 dont ask why, i jsut went trial error, 2011-09-19 01:46 hm... meh.. yes.. 2011-09-19 01:46 well excellent! 2011-09-19 01:47 thanks so much! 2011-09-19 01:47 we will pull out out of this pile of data anyway 2011-09-19 01:47 seems the same file. and i thought our congress (ccc) videos are shitty named ;) 2011-09-19 01:47 it's a difficult problem, but amazing that in most cases it's so bad 2011-09-19 01:48 low is 400x300 video + audio in 22khz at 60kbit 2011-09-19 01:48 high is 640x480 video + 22khz audio at 67kbit 2011-09-19 01:49 great milkymist one is in fact high-res 2011-09-19 01:49 small pc :-) 2011-09-19 01:49 back when I had EGA 640x480 was indeed unreachable 2011-09-19 01:49 all this stuff it probably not done by the free software geeks of fisl but by the company that organized the conference. they still live in blissful ignorance in their closed world :) 2011-09-19 01:50 give that low is 101 and high 108mbyte,.. forget low 2011-09-19 01:51 heh, makes me remember how i hated those slow color graphics cards. had an ET4000. hated it. then finally the 2D-accelerated S3 801 came along and i was happy :) 2011-09-19 01:51 sorry I meant my 320x200 CGA 2011-09-19 01:51 wpwrak: its theora video and ogg audio.. i am sure some nerd encoded it 2011-09-19 01:51 CGA. oh dear :) 2011-09-19 01:51 roh: low is really bad 2011-09-19 01:51 in addition to a bad recording angle 2011-09-19 01:51 at least they used a tripod :-) 2011-09-19 01:51 roh: hmm, maybe 2011-09-19 01:52 I haven't even listened to audio yet, sitting at a noisy starbucks. but my expectations will surely be exceeded :-) 2011-09-19 01:53 its understandable and doesnt have a 40db snr humm on it.. so you'll be fine 2011-09-19 01:58 audio is not bad 2011-09-19 02:00 what exlplain size, i guess is because all the talk is the slides and no moving werner on stage 2011-09-19 02:15 i should use "actually" and "for instance" a bit less :) 2011-09-19 02:15 !top words 2011-09-19 02:15 !top ten words 2011-09-19 02:16 bah, few questions .. 2011-09-19 02:17 yeah, and as far as i remember, i didn't answer them well. at the end, i was also running out of time. the talk just fit the time slot :) 2011-09-19 02:20 your voice noticed quite agitated indeed 2011-09-19 02:21 i think that's how i usually talk :) 2011-09-19 02:22 oh, i tought was because want to fit time slot :) 2011-09-19 02:23 anyway, nice talk !! 2011-09-19 02:23 now you see it again, you think you missed something in the slides? 2011-09-19 02:23 looks very complete for me 2011-09-19 02:26 thanks :) naw, nothing major missing. maybe the end could use a bit of restructuring 2011-09-19 02:27 ah .. now i remember ... just before the talk, jon kindly treated me to a cup of coffee. and i was too polite to refuse. that had me in high gear :) 2011-09-19 02:31 xiangfu: Hello 2011-09-19 02:31 hi 2011-09-19 02:32 Do you know why qvido is not included anymore in owrt releases? 2011-09-19 02:32 and i dint knew it was a vido too 2011-09-19 02:32 here say http://www.openzim.org/ZIM_Readers 2011-09-19 02:34 no reason probably just broken & not compiling 2011-09-19 02:34 yes very nice video actually 2011-09-19 02:35 kristianpaul: thanks so much for noticing and helping find the right one :-) 2011-09-19 02:35 I will upload into the qi wiki, mention in the news etc. 2011-09-19 02:35 so it's all properly archived and can be referred to later 2011-09-19 02:35 he, no problem, i just remenber to check and then  was there !! :-) 2011-09-19 02:35 yes great 2011-09-19 02:35 very very good 2011-09-19 02:35 those things are super important to build a strong foundation 2011-09-19 02:36 since that whole copyleft hardware thing is still not self explanatory, and probably won't be for a while 2011-09-19 02:37 I think that will only change once we have a kickass product and people will ask "how is this possible?" "where is this coming from?" etc 2011-09-19 02:48 nice, i tought i was the only who spelled qi word by word instead of as syllable (wich is kinda odd ;)) 2011-09-19 02:49 i wouldn't know hw to properly pronounce "qi" ;-) 2011-09-19 02:50 lol 2011-09-19 02:50 like english "key" ? or maybe like french "qui" ? etc. :) 2011-09-19 02:50 is like "shee" 2011-09-19 02:50 oh. so i would have gotten it totally wrong :) 2011-09-19 02:51 but nah, this is not a home energetic project 2011-09-19 02:51 well thats was last time i got told was that way, was carlos camargo i think who pointed me that 2011-09-19 03:10 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system: remvoe kmod-xfs, remove stardict from image (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f04ea68 2011-09-19 03:14 kristianpaul: uploaded :-) http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Sala41a-high-201106301300.ogv 2011-09-19 03:33 good 2011-09-19 06:30 [commit] Xiangfu Liu: zimread update to r362, enable build (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/fe60208 2011-09-19 06:31 wpwrak, can I upload this file to youtube? http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/File:Sala41a-high-201106301300.ogv 2011-09-19 06:32 we have a channel in youtube :) http://www.youtube.com/user/xiangfuliu?feature=mhee 2011-09-19 08:23 (Qi) ask Wolfgang. He should know how the chinese word shall be pronounced 2011-09-19 08:24 always considered it a strange "coincidence" that the bootloader is called the same like this enterprise 2011-09-19 08:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi  >>In traditional Chinese culture, qì (also chi or ch'i) is an active principle forming part of any living thing...<< 2011-09-19 08:26 tschi (eng.: chee) 2011-09-19 08:27 Qi (Ch'i) 2011-09-19 08:39 Qì (chinesisch # /  qì, IPA (hochchinesisch) [ÈtƒiÐ], W.-G. Ch'i) 2011-09-19 08:40 german wikipedia always a bit more err "german" ;-D 2011-09-19 08:42 wpwrak: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi 2011-09-19 08:45 so thinking about it, I wonder if Qi-hardware refers to neiqi or waiqi, or even yuanqi 2011-09-19 08:48 a very natural name for an OS running on qi-hw (ben) was Qigong :-) 2011-09-19 08:51 ben's sysinternals suite: Aiki 2011-09-19 13:20 http://main.makeuseoflimited.netdna-cdn.com/tech-fun/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/ipadsimilarities.jpg 2011-09-19 14:22 lol 2011-09-19 14:24 ironically, samsung makes fridges ... 2011-09-19 14:25 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Removed one last occurrence of hardcoded minimum CPU frequency. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8d04cf1 2011-09-19 14:25 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Do not constrain the max CPU frequency for apps on setting the string value. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8bcd039 2011-09-19 14:28 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: Use generic irq chip for jz4740-adc (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/7d98bd6 2011-09-19 14:28 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: jz4740-adc: Fix generic irq chip ack function name. (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/61390f3 2011-09-19 14:28 [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: mfd: jz4740-adc: Make jz4740_adc_driver static (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/9105a59 2011-09-19 14:29 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Corrected capitalization of megahertz. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/03ea679 2011-09-19 14:45 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed mistake in 8bcd03962f2fb1c6166eebd280b6648d3387eac8. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/6729e30 2011-09-19 14:49 drivers/mfd/jz4740-adc.c: In function 'jz4740_adc_probe': 2011-09-19 14:49 drivers/mfd/jz4740-adc.c:289:3: warning: passing argument 3 of 'mfd_add_devices' discards 'const' qualifier from pointer target type [enabled by default] 2011-09-19 14:49 include/linux/mfd/core.h:93:12: note: expected 'struct mfd_cell *' but argument is of type 'const struct mfd_cell *' 2011-09-19 14:49 just a warning 2011-09-19 14:49 larsc: I got that warning before today's changes as well, probably switching to GCC 4.6 triggers it 2011-09-19 14:50 yes, but I like to keep the number of warnings as low as possible, so potentially serious things stand out 2011-09-19 14:51 the cleanest solution would be to update the prototype of mfd_add_devices, I guess 2011-09-19 14:52 won't work. it was const before, but due to some ugly changes in the mfd core it can't be currently 2011-09-19 14:53 but is it safe then to pass a const to it? 2011-09-19 14:53 yes and no ;) 2011-09-19 14:54 we could cast away the const until the mtd core is fixed 2011-09-19 14:54 or do you think that will be so soon it is not worth it? 2011-09-19 14:57 I hope that it will be fixed, not sure if it is going to be soon though 2011-09-19 15:42 malicious circuit, rms at least is finding new words :) 2011-09-19 16:00 kristianpaul: where? 2011-09-19 16:02 larsc: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/sep/19/android-free-software-stallman 2011-09-19 17:54 Hello. Does anyone know if the ks7010 driver is a fullmac driver or a softmac driver? 2011-09-19 17:59 fullmac 2011-09-19 17:59 hm, to late 2011-09-19 18:28 "damn, STILL no answer ?!? and i waited two whole seconds for it !" :) 2011-09-19 18:51 For those still not Rushkoff fans... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5ym3SdUU8 :) 2011-09-19 18:52 (if you have five minutes) 2011-09-19 21:56 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-09182011-1922/ 2011-09-19 23:54 hi guys, If wanted to make a USB to Ethernet (Cat5+RJ45) cable myself, to connect the Nanonote to an Ethernet port on a PC, which pins on the Ethernet Jack should I connect to the pins on the USB tip? Or, which cat5 wires should I connect to the 4 cables in a usb wire? I found some instructions online but there was no explanation. Should I just Connect D+ to D+ and D- to D- and leave power and grounding on the USB un-wired? 2011-09-19 23:56 erikkugel: this doesn't seem to make sense at all. as far as i know, there's no compatibility at the physical layer between ethernet and usb. do you have a link to those instructions you found ?