2011-09-04 00:36 [commit] Ayla: The conf file does not need to be saved on exit. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9768a74 2011-09-04 00:39 guys 2011-09-04 00:39 mind if I remove the help menu on gmenu2x? 2011-09-04 00:39 it is useless, it shows controls for the GP2X port only 2011-09-04 00:40 ps2chiper: good morning 2011-09-04 00:41 Ayla: then remove sounds great! 2011-09-04 00:41 wrong information is worse than no information 2011-09-04 00:41 ps2chiper: I read the huge backlog, well, skimmed it 2011-09-04 00:41 or maybe I can wrap that code into #define 2011-09-04 00:42 wolfspraul: ;) 2011-09-04 00:43 larsc: you work for ADI? congratulations - that sounds like an excellent company for you! 2011-09-04 00:43 if you find out about any super interesting new ADI chips, let us know. We can build some cool products with them :-) 2011-09-04 00:45 I'm trying to understand the business model and future of Blackfin and SHARC for a while, if you get behind those mysteries, please share. (of course without breaching any confidentiality, just to share qualifications on how/if/when to use them, where they are going) 2011-09-04 00:58 wolfspraul: i'll keep my eyes open 2011-09-04 01:01 and yes, i guess it a good place for me to work at. couldn't have said no. 2011-09-04 01:12 hi all, quick inquiry, wondering if anyone knows who's the original author of this page: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Building_OpenWRT_on_Debian_6 2011-09-04 01:13 it's the Wiki page for building OpenWRT on Debian 6 2011-09-04 01:14 I'm asking because I'm curious how can the instructions be updated for following releases (they currently refer to the February build). 2011-09-04 01:15 I'm trying to just change the release number when checking out with GIT, but attempting that for the August build failed (the build quit when building cryptography libraries, which were not part of the broken packages list). I'm trying now with May build, after also removing the now unnecessary ALSA-LIB patch, but I was curious if I'm missing something obvious. 2011-09-04 01:20 [commit] Ayla: Dingoo port: The help menu now displays help for dingoo's controls. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/03a26a8 2011-09-04 02:27 re 2011-09-04 02:35 Just tried to disassemble DSDT on a recent hp laptop 2011-09-04 02:35 they've put a complete VT100 emulator and the setup utility inside. 2011-09-04 02:35 together, it is roughly 27000 lines long. 2011-09-04 02:36 I just had to share this insanity with someone. 2011-09-04 02:38 what is DSDT? 2011-09-04 02:39 the main ACPI table with bytecode 2011-09-04 02:40 that is, it is a huge chunk of bytecode stored in BIOS and executed by OS kernel (or EFI, if there's no OS loaded yet) 2011-09-04 02:41 originally, it was developed to power off the system gracefully or adjust the brightness of a laptop screen. Then, at some point, it turned to four-revision, 800-page-long specification with two appendixes. 2011-09-04 02:42 I've discovered all of that while trying to determine why a software-induced brightness change on my laptop produced spurious keypresses 2011-09-04 02:55 wpwrak, wolfspraul what do you think about this stuff http://keithp.com/blog/ is doing with rockets 2011-09-04 02:55 ? 2011-09-04 02:55 we should get them onto qi with their hardwrae 2011-09-04 02:55 of course they are hobbyist, but we should find ways to collaborate 2011-09-04 03:01 yes sure of course 2011-09-04 03:02 they are doing a quality job on licensing I think, really everything is open and GPL licensed etc. 2011-09-04 03:02 they are technically ambitious 2011-09-04 03:02 that's all I think about it right now :-) 2011-09-04 03:02 I have added the Altus Metrum RSS feed to the Qi planet already 2011-09-04 03:03 so that will give me or other Qi planet followers the chance to follow and learn about their progress over time, and find ways to collaborate/reuse 2011-09-04 03:03 that's as much as I can do right now 2011-09-04 06:08 im back 2011-09-04 06:08 i needed to sleep 2011-09-04 06:48 hi 2011-09-04 06:53 ps2chiper: what was the main question or point you wanted to make? 2011-09-04 06:53 I read through this huge backlog but the more and faster I read the less I understood :-) 2011-09-04 06:53 there must be something exciting there though... 2011-09-04 06:53 i was just looking for someone to help me get ubuntu 10.04 2011-09-04 06:54 then the guys started complaining about kernel lockin 2011-09-04 06:54 and i pointed out that all the soc vendors today have that problem 2011-09-04 07:11 ah I see :-) 2011-09-04 07:37 did i miss anything? 2011-09-04 07:38 no, I think I got it now. sorry I was confused by the many different arguments in that thread. 2011-09-04 07:38 then it turns out the original question was about ubuntu 10.04 :-) 2011-09-04 07:40 nobody could answer the question of a non eol soc that has open userspace for the gpu. 2011-09-04 07:40 that's why we invest heavily in, and believe, and are in love with... 2011-09-04 07:40 hey wolfspraul, i dont know if you remember me. but we spoke a few years back over skype 2011-09-04 07:40 Milkymist :-) 2011-09-04 07:40 sorry I do not clearly remember, no 2011-09-04 07:41 xiangfu-liu told me all about milky mist 2011-09-04 07:41 I would love to make more products with it 2011-09-04 07:41 the first one is just out, Milkymist One 2011-09-04 07:41 a video synthesizer, which we will add more functionality to now 2011-09-04 07:41 well i had some ideas of my own 2011-09-04 07:41 openwrt powered clock radio 2011-09-04 07:41 and openwrt powered voip phone 2011-09-04 07:41 let's talk about the chips first 2011-09-04 07:41 hardware acceleration is tough 2011-09-04 07:41 ralink 2011-09-04 07:44 if you dont want to talk, i need to ride my bicycle 2011-09-04 07:45 how is that related :-) 2011-09-04 07:45 that's funny 2011-09-04 07:45 ride your bicycle 2011-09-04 07:45 that's always preferable to talk I'd say 2011-09-04 07:45 :-) 2011-09-04 07:45 let's talk some products soon, it's good to hear back 2011-09-04 07:45 since you are in shenzhen and work for factories etc. we probably share a lot of the same experiences 2011-09-04 07:45 I'm thinking about a lot of new things 2011-09-04 07:46 that its getting late in the afternoon and i need to do some exercise, how is that funny? 2011-09-04 07:46 from Milkymist On expansion boards, to speakers/headphones, audio controllers, laser projectors, improved NanoNote, and so on 2011-09-04 07:46 all the way to the BuddhaMachine :-) 2011-09-04 07:46 our current goal with amlogic is to get xbmc with dvb support going on it for a dreambox killer 2011-09-04 07:47 you should also hear my open cola idea 2011-09-04 07:47 any time, I'm reading the channel 2011-09-04 07:47 in my experience, the 'anything' killer will not kill 'anything', btw 2011-09-04 07:48 ok, well to make the opencola idea short. we take a soda fountain and place it in colleges and use that machine to advertise oss related work. show college students how linux can earn more money than windows. 2011-09-04 07:50 you should also do a karaoke projector 2011-09-04 07:50 people like to party 2011-09-04 07:50 I'm thinking about speaker, laser projector 2011-09-04 07:51 but it's just thinking 2011-09-04 07:51 well from my point of view, you should build products normal people want to buy, and they can be foss and open source hardware too 2011-09-04 07:52 i should ride my bicycle now. ill be back in an hour 2011-09-04 07:58 ride safely 2011-09-04 08:29 im back 2011-09-04 08:29 i got rained on 2011-09-04 09:08 ps2chiper: is the opencola idea related to the opencola homebrewed cola recipe? 2011-09-04 09:23 yes, how they used open source cola to promote open source software 2011-09-04 09:24 Hello everyone ! 2011-09-04 09:25 hi 2011-09-04 09:27 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-09042011-0058/ 2011-09-04 09:27 open source beer should give more promoution :) 2011-09-04 09:28 *promotion 2011-09-04 09:36 "X killer" will usually be killed by another "X killer", for the brilliant idea of doing something that' s just like a successful product is amazingly contagious ;-) 2011-09-04 09:38 Jay7: (open source beer) not a good ideas. if you do this, then everybody needs to change their "like free speech, not like free beer" analogy 2011-09-04 09:41 ok 2011-09-04 09:45 free beer is expensive 2011-09-04 09:45 whitequark, what's the point of the VT100 emulator? 2011-09-04 09:46 whitequark, and since the setup utility is in the DSDT, I guess you can run it from linux? 2011-09-04 10:38 yo Ayla 2011-09-04 10:38 whats new 2011-09-04 10:43 hi 2011-09-04 10:43 whats up 2011-09-04 10:43 nothing new 2011-09-04 10:43 did you get a chance to review the amlogic source code 2011-09-04 10:46 it does not download at all 2011-09-04 10:46 it can't find a single peer 2011-09-04 10:46 you can also dowload it from openlinux.amlogic.com 2011-09-04 10:49 ah ok 2011-09-04 10:50 will you have time to look at it today? 2011-09-04 10:51 not today 2011-09-04 10:52 we want to release opendingux today 2011-09-04 10:52 what do you want me to review anyway? 2011-09-04 10:52 to see if it can work with ubuntu 10.04 2011-09-04 10:52 the board? 2011-09-04 10:53 i can send a board after you review the source code 2011-09-04 10:53 why put more effort into making software work on yet another proprietary soc? help with the linux port on milkymist instead ... 2011-09-04 10:54 because all soc's with a gpu have this issue. 2011-09-04 10:55 so you're asking me to port ubuntu? ... 2011-09-04 10:55 what gpu functions do you need? 2011-09-04 10:55 one of my goals is to find a person to port ubuntu to the amlogic soc if possible. 2011-09-04 10:55 eh, you didn't tell me that last time 2011-09-04 10:56 you left before i could 2011-09-04 10:56 ok 2011-09-04 10:56 remember i told you i wanted to do profit sharing projects 2011-09-04 10:56 that's a stupid goal, if you want to use some proprietary soc just take one that has a wide existing software support, like ti omap 2011-09-04 10:56 an ubuntu thin client is one of my ideas 2011-09-04 10:57 so you're not wasting time supporting some company's proprietary design 2011-09-04 10:57 lekernel: that his company's 2011-09-04 10:57 that's his company* 2011-09-04 10:58 i support foss, but im noting going out of my way to make a statement. i rather build something that would make people happy. 2011-09-04 10:58 this channel is about copyleft hardware, not about recruiting people to work on proprietary hardware 2011-09-04 10:59 i never said proprietary. but if you are buying a soc, its proprietary too. they wont give you the information to make your own soc. 2011-09-04 10:59 the only one that does that is opensparc 2011-09-04 11:01 and leon3, and milkymist, and others 2011-09-04 11:01 so what ip core do those products use? 2011-09-04 11:02 they are custom made 2011-09-04 11:02 is the ip licensed under an free software license? 2011-09-04 11:03 for the RTL part that is - physical IP (e.g. standard cells, FPGA tools, ...) is still proprietary so far 2011-09-04 11:03 yes 2011-09-04 11:03 so if you want to go that far. you shouldnt use there products because you are not freely able to manufacture their soc's your self 2011-09-04 11:04 that's the next step - and the RTL source is portable, so if we want to make that step, we can 2011-09-04 11:05 RTL real time linux, Im assuming? 2011-09-04 11:05 no, register transfer level 2011-09-04 11:05 verilog/vhdl sources 2011-09-04 11:06 and by the way milkymist has graphics acceleration ip, also freely licensed 2011-09-04 11:06 so its opengl es 1.1 ? 2011-09-04 11:06 it's not complete, but can be completed without fundamental problems 2011-09-04 11:06 just the parts of it that I needed to run milkdrop :-) 2011-09-04 11:07 do you mean open source divers to replace the proprietary drivers? 2011-09-04 11:07 no, I mean free software licensed Verilog sources that describe the "GPU" 2011-09-04 11:09 thanks for that, now who makes a cortex a9 soc with a open userspace for the gpu? 2011-09-04 11:10 i'd rather make a LM32 soc with a free GPU *HDL description, and for the software drivers X is something I won't touch, but I don't see issues for making the rest open source 2011-09-04 11:12 making ic's is above me. so i will leave it a lone 2011-09-04 11:13 back you Ayla 2011-09-04 11:13 back to you Ayla 2011-09-04 11:14 this is a hardware channel, so it should be about making IC's 2011-09-04 11:14 your welcome to talk about it. 2011-09-04 15:10 does anyone know how I can remove a remote branch? 2011-09-04 15:11 preferably without removing it locally 2011-09-04 15:11 in git 2011-09-04 15:12 i think it was git push with ':branchname', but you have to be very sure about that 2011-09-04 15:13 yes, that works, thanks 2011-09-04 15:32 [commit] Werner Almesberger: fw/common/Makefile.common (clean, spotless): allow overloading (with ::) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/f32xbase/f1f9009 2011-09-04 15:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/qi-hw.fig: with Allin Kahrl's dimensions and a 2 units keep out area (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/d92a53c 2011-09-04 15:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/fw/Makefile: remove io-parts.h on clean; improved dependencies of io-parts.h (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/1121b71 2011-09-04 15:48 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: MIPS: JZ4740: GPIO: Use new name for generic ack function. (jz-3.0) http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/678a00e 2011-09-04 21:07 (win 5 2011-09-04 22:03 The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-09042011-1336/ 2011-09-04 23:02 lekernel: VT100 console can be invoked from EFI somehow. I honestly don't know why it is coded in DSDT 2011-09-04 23:03 lekernel: yes, I think you definitely can, through you're going to need a small patch for tty I/O 2011-09-04 23:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: fped.c: cleaned up batch mode selection; batch modes are now mutually exclusive (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/6ca5c22 2011-09-04 23:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: fped/: added gnuplot output for line/rect/circle with -g (experimental) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e5d8fd8 2011-09-04 23:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/mech/front.fpd: updated logo geometry (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2be0548 2011-09-04 23:36 [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/mech/: added process to mill front plate (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/596fe88 2011-09-04 23:51 [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/mech/Makefile: oops, it's mill.rml, not mill.tmp (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/0dd3964