2011-08-29 01:51 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: you there? I am trying to understand your requirements about putting web sites into git
2011-08-29 01:53 <wolfspraul> so basically you want to commit all pages (body only), then they should be statically accessible through the browser?
2011-08-29 04:42 <DingooDigitalUSA>  get news out carrying JXD products now @ www.dingoo-digital-usa.com
2011-08-29 04:45 <wolfspraul> he wisely left quick before we could remind him to not spam the channel :-)
2011-08-29 04:46 <wolfspraul> on the other hand if he is so desperate that he needs to spam the ca. 45 people in a copyleft hw project, then maybe we should be generous.
2011-08-29 04:46 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (web pages) yes
2011-08-29 04:46 <wolfspraul> right now you check them out and then manually copy to downloads?
2011-08-29 04:47 <wpwrak> yup. or, rather, copy them and check them in :)
2011-08-29 04:47 <wolfspraul> don't understand. you commit to projects?
2011-08-29 04:47 <wolfspraul> but then copy to downloads because projects doesn't provide the right view?
2011-08-29 04:47 <wpwrak> yup
2011-08-29 04:48 <wpwrak> so i use projects for revision control and downloads for people to view things
2011-08-29 04:49 <wolfspraul> ok got it
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> there is some update in projects.qi-hardware.com
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> I can not run 'git push' today. :(
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> it give me:
2011-08-29 04:50 <wolfspraul> for which project?
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> git push origin release_2011-08-27:release_2011-08-27
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> Permission denied (publickey).
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> both openwrt-xburst and openwrt-packages
2011-08-29 04:50 <wolfspraul> lemme see whether I can just downgrade the whole thing :-)
2011-08-29 04:50 <xiangfu> I try to push the new release branchs to both of them.
2011-08-29 04:51 <xiangfu> I have tried re-add the public key in 'http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/preferences/' not working. 
2011-08-29 04:51 <wpwrak> indefero seems to be a bit more like inferno this time ..
2011-08-29 04:52 <wolfspraul> just wait
2011-08-29 04:52 <wolfspraul> I will downgrade
2011-08-29 04:52 <wolfspraul> Indefero looks a little dead-end too
2011-08-29 04:55 <wpwrak> in what sense ?
2011-08-29 05:00 <wolfspraul> soooo
2011-08-29 05:00 <wolfspraul> pretty drastic downgrade
2011-08-29 05:00 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: let's see what works now...
2011-08-29 05:00 <wolfspraul> the problems with qi-kernel are gone already :-)
2011-08-29 05:00 <roh> you can roll back the db? or was there no change?
2011-08-29 05:00 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-29 05:01 <wolfspraul> I said drastic
2011-08-29 05:01 <wolfspraul> I didn't even bother to try whether the older Indefero could work with the db changes the newer version did (there were a few when running the upgrade script)
2011-08-29 05:03 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, will do that after lunch.
2011-08-29 05:15 <wolfspraul> roh: so I just restored the database I dumped before the upgrade
2011-08-29 05:15 <wolfspraul> together with the old installation dirs
2011-08-29 05:16 <wolfspraul> meaning that database changes since yesterday are lost (like new accout creations or such, I cannot imagine much)
2011-08-29 05:16 <wolfspraul> plus uploaded files or attachments or issues
2011-08-29 05:16 <wolfspraul> but all just since yesterday, I doubt there is anything
2011-08-29 05:16 <wolfspraul> a first check in the browser seems to suggest it's back to working :-)
2011-08-29 05:17 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: with indefero, it seems mostly a 1-person thing. he first built his own framework (pluf) for 2-3 years
2011-08-29 05:17 <wolfspraul> then indefero on top, which this hosting company ceondo.com is using commercially
2011-08-29 05:18 <wolfspraul> now... github and others are controlling this market
2011-08-29 05:18 <wolfspraul> not many updates to indefero at all in 2011
2011-08-29 05:23 <wolfspraul> Jon reminded me of the importance of an issue tracker
2011-08-29 05:23 <wolfspraul> but the one in Indefero is not used much, and the most successful one seems to be RT
2011-08-29 05:24 <wolfspraul> including command line tools, how about that :-)
2011-08-29 05:24 <wolfspraul> so maybe over time we just get rid of Indefero. we can organize write access to repositories with a few simple scripts
2011-08-29 05:24 <wolfspraul> issue tracker becomes RT
2011-08-29 05:24 <wolfspraul> and the web interface to repositories should be such that you don't need to checkout repositories for web publishing
2011-08-29 05:25 <wolfspraul> we solve a bunch of problems and remove a 1-person software on an unstable foundation
2011-08-29 05:27 <wpwrak> then the final step would be to also connect the wiki to git, and the world would be perfect :)
2011-08-29 05:38 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, works fine. 'git push' without any problem.
2011-08-29 05:43 <wolfspraul> there you go
2011-08-29 05:43 <wolfspraul> downgrade to upgrade
2011-08-29 05:44 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: very nice release email you wrote!
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [package] hostapd: introduce options to configure the logging behaviour. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/4f0278e
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] jow: [package] mac80211: configure hostapd logging options (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/3118964
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/d61c52c
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b7816ca
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/77ddb35
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a27a35d
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/9445492
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/27d6c32
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/276017c
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae3652d
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/066831c
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/be69c6a
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/1b21e3a
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bddbd5e
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2cd7db6
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/86eeed0
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/cce3e57
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0c582a1
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: busybox: backport reverse history search patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/66ef7cd
2011-08-29 05:46 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: ben nanonote: forward patches to linux-3.1 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2d22f1f
2011-08-29 05:47 <xiangfu> rebase on last openwrt upstream
2011-08-29 05:49 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, :D
2011-08-29 10:01 <DocScrutinizer> mhm >>*** Taking Pre-Orders for the second Batch of Dingoo-Tech A380 slated for release the June 25th, 2011. As per usual once I get them they will ship immediately to you**** << Wonder if I should ban this dingoo guy
2011-08-29 10:05 <wolfspraul> that wasn't on this channel, was it?
2011-08-29 10:06 <wolfspraul> you can easily ban him :-)
2011-08-29 10:06 <DocScrutinizer> it was
2011-08-29 10:06 <wolfspraul> strange, not in the logs
2011-08-29 10:06 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-08-29 06:42:15] <DingooDigitalUSA>  get news out carrying JXD products now @ www.dingoo-digital-usa.com
2011-08-29 10:06 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-08-29 06:45:02] <wolfspraul> he wisely left quick before we could remind him to not spam the channel :-)
2011-08-29 10:06 <wolfspraul> yes but not the 'second batch of dontoo-tech a380' thing
2011-08-29 10:07 <DocScrutinizer> that's from the linked site
2011-08-29 10:07 <wolfspraul> anyway it's crap and won't improve :-) I typically have to deal with "can you source 3 ddr3 sdram cheapo for me in china?" requests from him
2011-08-29 10:08 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
2011-08-29 10:08 <wolfspraul> "yes, China is waiting for people like you, who want to source '3 cheap ddr sdram'". "rolling out the red carpet, one sec..." :-)
2011-08-29 10:12 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest teaching qi-bot to issue a /mode #qi-hardware -q <user> ~3 minutes after joining the channel
2011-08-29 10:14 <DocScrutinizer> so we could get a /mode #channel +q $~a ; to quiet all non-registered users for the first nn seconds after joining
2011-08-29 10:15 <DocScrutinizer> freenode itself employs a similar scheme - though based around voicing users - on #defocus
2011-08-29 10:28 <DocScrutinizer> for now...:
2011-08-29 10:31 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-29 10:31 <wolfspraul> some policies, good
2011-08-29 10:37 <DocScrutinizer> if anybody else is by sad fate using real name sales, please /query docscrutinizer (or any other of the chanops listed in /msg chanserv access #qi-hardware list )
2011-08-29 10:42 <DocScrutinizer> wow, I guess this is the only irc channel founded by a bot :-D
2011-08-29 15:26 <kyak> updates his "production" Ben to 2011-08-27 image and the "development" Ben is already asking for kernel 3.1 :)
2011-08-29 17:13 <kristianpaul> wolfspraul: look this shop not bad, http://shop.sysmocom.de/
2011-08-29 19:57 <kristianpaul> hum, usbboot should not overwrite logs..
2011-08-29 19:57 <kristianpaul> i bricked my nanonote when trying to upgrade and now i dont get why..
2011-08-29 19:58 <kristianpaul> I just remenber a Error - can't read bulk data from Ingenic device:64
2011-08-29 19:58 <kristianpaul> and me unpluging usb cable and battery
2011-08-29 20:12 <kristianpaul> phew, office clip save the day ;)
2011-08-29 20:12 <kristianpaul> s/clip/paper clip
2011-08-29 21:28 <lekernel> anyone here knows how a helium-3 ring laser gyroscope works?
2011-08-29 21:29 <lekernel> apparently helium-3 is classified as a dual-use device because of this very application, and http://www.helium-3.com/ and a few other sources also mentions it, but I cannot find explanations on why helium-3 is useful for that
2011-08-29 21:33 <kristianpaul> ask in #highaltitude
2011-08-29 21:33 <kristianpaul> s/in/at
2011-08-29 21:37 <Artyom> hi kristianpaul
2011-08-29 21:41 <kristianpaul> Artyom: hi there
2011-08-29 21:41 <Artyom> What is your success with namuru+osgps?
2011-08-29 21:41 <kristianpaul> evening ;)
2011-08-29 21:42 <kristianpaul> no yet..sorry, i was busy last two weekends
2011-08-29 21:43 <kristianpaul> also my laptop power cord broke.. so i dont have laptop at work.. :(
2011-08-29 21:43 <kristianpaul> how is yours?
2011-08-29 21:44 <kristianpaul> this weekend i'll add the gnuplot support i hope
2011-08-29 21:44 <kristianpaul> i'll move to rtems of course :-)
2011-08-29 21:44 <Artyom> I had one week vacation... So no new from my side ;)
2011-08-29 21:46 <kristianpaul> he :p
2011-08-29 21:46 <kristianpaul> Btw you finally implemented the PLL in software right?
2011-08-29 21:47 <kristianpaul> for tracking i mean
2011-08-29 21:47 <Artyom> yes, in software everything works fine
2011-08-29 21:47 <kristianpaul> oh i forgot !
2011-08-29 21:47 <kristianpaul> i received some maxim samples
2011-08-29 21:48 <kristianpaul> did you finally sent the spare boards?
2011-08-29 21:50 <Artyom> acquisition and tracking work fine. Yes I've sent them about two weeks ago. I checked through the web the state of the sending. Last message that I've seen is that it was passed through customs to Colombia.
2011-08-29 21:50 <kristianpaul> i can support whatevr you need for shiping and the boards if youc an receiver paypal or bitcoin :)
2011-08-29 21:50 <kristianpaul> oh cool !
2011-08-29 21:50 <kristianpaul> thanks !
2011-08-29 21:52 <kristianpaul> if the aquisition on my side goes wrong i'll consider go back to SoftGNSS with octave
2011-08-29 21:54 <kristianpaul> i tried ran osgps in the nanonote but seems 300Mhz are not enoguht..
2011-08-29 21:54 <kristianpaul> what hardware specs you had in mind it was a arm SoC i remenber? but how fast?
2011-08-29 21:55 <kristianpaul> also i wonder if you are going to drop the Cypress chip too?
2011-08-29 21:58 <Artyom> I use ARM7 (72 MHz). And as gpl-gps works with slower ARM I hope that everything will work.
2011-08-29 21:58 <kristianpaul> hum..
2011-08-29 21:58 <kristianpaul> i need to try gpl-later then :)
2011-08-29 21:58 <kristianpaul> ah, but
2011-08-29 21:58 <kristianpaul> with namuru
2011-08-29 21:58 <kristianpaul> right?
2011-08-29 21:59 <kristianpaul> amazing, my M1 board can run up to 90Mhz today so gpl-gps should be okay too :)
2011-08-29 21:59 <Artyom> I plan to split design in two parts: analog board with max2769 and digital board with mcu+fpga+cypress+SDRAM.
2011-08-29 21:59 <Artyom> gpl-gps is based on osgps (but on old version)
2011-08-29 22:00 <Artyom> gpl-gps uses gp4021 - this is ARM7+gp2021-correlator
2011-08-29 22:01 <kristianpaul> oh, thats a baseband procesor then
2011-08-29 22:01 <kristianpaul> the gp4021
2011-08-29 22:02 <kristianpaul> hum so gp4021 run its own firmware or need to be extenally loaded?
2011-08-29 22:05 <Artyom> I don't know exact details...
2011-08-29 22:10 <kristianpaul> I want to dig more about it
2011-08-29 22:11 <kristianpaul> I imagine later adding a firmware to be run in the namuru core it self just for acquisition/tracking
2011-08-29 22:11 <kristianpaul> so the main cpu can focus on dealing with position
2011-08-29 22:11 <kristianpaul> but thats for later :)
2011-08-29 22:12 <kristianpaul> Artyom: so you scilab code is the same from you blog?
2011-08-29 22:12 <kristianpaul> i neverd downloaded it.. but i suposed was not for GPS
2011-08-29 22:14 <kristianpaul> may be i should..
2011-08-29 22:16 <Artyom> You have good plans for future ;) scilab code on my blog is for GLONASS. It is based on Akos code. For example tracking is the same. Some modofications were made because GLONASS differes a little from GPS. And some modifications were made because scilab differes a little from matlab ;)
2011-08-29 22:17 <kristianpaul> Artyom: you should try the Akos por for octave :)
2011-08-29 22:18 <Artyom> ok, I will try to study octave ;)
2011-08-29 22:18 <kristianpaul> no no
2011-08-29 22:18 <kristianpaul> just try
2011-08-29 22:19 <kristianpaul> is you format still compatible with akos/matlab code?
2011-08-29 22:19 <kristianpaul> just checkout and try https://github.com/kristianpaul/SoftGNSS
2011-08-29 22:20 <rjeffries> wolfspraul in case you did not see this one: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/08/28/ai-weiwei-on-beijing-s-nightmare-city.html
2011-08-29 22:21 <Artyom> what do you mean by "compatible format"?
2011-08-29 22:23 <kristianpaul> yes, sorry, i mean the way you are storing your I/Q data
2011-08-29 22:23 <kristianpaul> like 16 bit I/Q intervealed or such..
2011-08-29 22:25 <Artyom> if you mean file-format - then the answer is "yes".
2011-08-29 22:25 <kristianpaul> yup
2011-08-29 22:25 <kristianpaul> i think is same used with SoftGNSS, but you can try :)
2011-08-29 22:27 <Artyom> it's time to sleep for me ;)
2011-08-29 22:27 <Artyom> gn ;)
2011-08-29 22:28 <kristianpaul> bye
2011-08-29 22:28 <kristianpaul> join back by weekend for new :)
2011-08-29 22:29 <kristianpaul> rjeffries: r you offering wolfgang to move back to North America? ;)
2011-08-29 22:31 <Ayla> rjeffries: very interesting read
2011-08-29 22:31 <Ayla> thank you :)
2011-08-29 22:44 <rjeffries> no, wolfpraul is to stay in China. it is the right thing to do. we need feet on the street. ;)
2011-08-29 23:11 <wpwrak> "They can’t even imagine that they’ll be able to buy a house." my, are we having lofty standards ? ;-) "And no one will even argue with you." of course not ! not to detract from his plight, but the rhetoric device of framing a condition in the context of a different culture and attacking it from that point of view doesn't get better with age :)
2011-08-29 23:12 <larsc> i can imagine buying a house either, but i guess for different reasons
2011-08-29 23:20 <wpwrak> larsc: exactly. in some cultures owning a house is quite uncommon. and if you're in a big and rapidly expanding city, it should be even less common. i mean, if you owned some ground near the periphery, it would be surrounded by skyscrapers before too long, and rise dramatically in value. market forces alone would keep the prices inaccessible (well, unless your budget would allow you to put a skyscraper there as well)
2011-08-29 23:22 <wpwrak> (cultures/uncommon) or let's say uncommon for many people, dependent on living circumstances not necessarily related to wealth