2011-08-23 02:03 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files: add software volume control (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2818807
2011-08-23 02:03 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files add system volume control thanks EdorFaus (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/dab010a
2011-08-23 02:23 <kristianpaul> sht.. io error :-|
2011-08-23 02:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: config.full_system include new packages (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/efbdee0
2011-08-23 03:04 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmu update release version for the volume button patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/488c05f
2011-08-23 04:14 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: supertux icon resize to 32x32 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7426afb
2011-08-23 04:15 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/43ed54b
2011-08-23 05:17 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote: add timeout, add poweroff and reboot buttons (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/93c58bf
2011-08-23 05:20 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/09a6030
2011-08-23 05:20 <kyak> xiangfu: i have some concerns about the new asound.conf
2011-08-23 05:20 <kyak> are you sure that microphone will work by default?
2011-08-23 05:21 <kyak> with the previous asound.conf, it just worked out of the box
2011-08-23 05:21 <wpwrak> kyak: it seems foolish to answer such a question with "yes" ;-)
2011-08-23 05:21 <kyak> wpwrak: i don't quite understand you
2011-08-23 05:23 <wpwrak> kyak: in general, when someone asks "are you sure that ...", this person is quite convinced that the contrary is true :)
2011-08-23 05:23 <kyak> wpwrak: yeah, that's the case, i guess..
2011-08-23 05:23 <wpwrak> kyak: as in "are you sure you want to use the hairdryer while in the bathtub ?"
2011-08-23 05:24 <kyak> :)
2011-08-23 05:29 <kyak> wait a minute.. it's /etc/asound.conf, not /etc/asound.state
2011-08-23 05:29 <kyak> i don't have a Ben at hand, but i'm really not sure how it will work :)
2011-08-23 05:32 <xiangfu> kyak, hmm  didn't test . not sure about this. testing now
2011-08-23 05:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: Revert "nanonote-files: add software volume control" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6b164a7
2011-08-23 05:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: disable MIC by default (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/460e0fa
2011-08-23 05:47 <kyak> xiangfu: "disable mic by default" - but why?
2011-08-23 05:48 <xiangfu> <xiangfu> kyak, reverted. and mark mic disable by default as before
2011-08-23 05:48 <xiangfu> <xiangfu> thanks for notice :)
2011-08-23 05:48 <kyak> no-no
2011-08-23 05:48 <kyak> i remember i couldn't make it work for like several months because i didn't have a glue you have to hit "space"
2011-08-23 05:48 <kyak> on the mic is alsamixer
2011-08-23 05:48 <kyak> that's so confusing
2011-08-23 05:50 <xiangfu> kyak, oh sorry. don't know maybe too much works not think. just revert :(
2011-08-23 05:51 <xiangfu> kyak, revert revert 
2011-08-23 05:52 <xiangfu> revert revert don't have commit log from qi-bot :(
2011-08-23 05:52 <xiangfu> kyak, I am also prepare the changelog here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#NEXT 
2011-08-23 05:52 <xiangfu> kyak, if I miss something just add them :)
2011-08-23 05:53 <xiangfu> seems asound.conf is useless , the asound.state is enough for software volume control
2011-08-23 05:56 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: btw, the changelog should also include negative news (regressions), like for example the Python problem if it still exists
2011-08-23 05:57 <wolfspraul> we have no reason to not be open about the loss of functionality we would like to have
2011-08-23 05:57 <wolfspraul> (i understand there are some workarounds/fixes, so maybe the Python thing is already resolved, but just saying in general)
2011-08-23 05:57 <xiangfu> wolfspraul, at the bottom there is 'ISSUE'
2011-08-23 05:58 <xiangfu> under 'NEW PACKAGES' section
2011-08-23 05:58 <wolfspraul> I would probably just say 'negative' or so :-)
2011-08-23 05:59 <wolfspraul> nothing to be proud of, but if it's there it's there so I think we can handle the truth
2011-08-23 05:59 <wolfspraul> but yes, good that it's there.
2011-08-23 06:01 <wolfspraul> should we remove mediatomb and stardict?
2011-08-23 06:01 <wolfspraul> I still feel there is little value in keeping broken software, especially not in the image.
2011-08-23 06:01 <xiangfu> not included in ubi image
2011-08-23 06:01 <xiangfu> but mediatomb and stardict build as packages 
2011-08-23 06:02 <xiangfu> hmm... I would vote keep them as packages.
2011-08-23 06:02 <wolfspraul> sure as packages it's ok I guess
2011-08-23 06:03 <xiangfu> I guess there are maybe some packages not working in nanonote under: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/packages/NanoNote/Ben/latest/
2011-08-23 06:03 <xiangfu> BTW. I pass some company today, leave them some milkymist one brochures :)
2011-08-23 06:04 <xiangfu> it's a event manager company. I just saw it and leave some brochures in front of their door. :) I try to direct give them to their people but I think I scared this girl
2011-08-23 06:28 <kyak> xiangfu: thanks :)
2011-08-23 06:28 <kyak> i'll have a look at changelog, see if something is missing
2011-08-23 06:29 <kyak> xiangfu: new packages ibr* - btw, they fail to build -\
2011-08-23 06:41 <xiangfu> ok. will remove them from new packages.
2011-08-23 06:45 <xiangfu> "The original StarDict project has recently been removed from SourceForge due to copyright infringement reports. Most of the files were lost with the demise of the project. The project has re-emerged here since then, though the legal issues may never have been resolved. "
2011-08-23 06:49 <wolfspraul> [m1 brochures] - nice
2011-08-23 06:49 <wolfspraul> if they are interested, they will come forward. just give them a chance so they cannot later complain they didn't know about it ;-)
2011-08-23 06:50 <wolfspraul> [stardict] well, don't know. we have to make our own judgment. do we have all the sources? do we think they are properly licensed as free software?
2011-08-23 11:15 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-08222011-2321/
2011-08-23 11:19 <fossrox_> guys, please check out this: http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/The_Community_Design_and_you_Thought_the_USPTO_Was_Bad - they came up with another form of intellectual property rights, it works like patents, and has nothing to do with any community from what i get but they labeled it "Community Designs" - maybe to make people talk bad about community designs
2011-08-23 13:41 <wpwrak_> fossrox_: nice, eh ? :) i'm still not quite sure if this should be viewed more as a potential threat or as an insult
2011-08-23 13:58 <wpwrak> hmm, the drawback of being able to quickly define a set of ~80 different parts with a few simple rules in fped is that, eventually, you'll do just that ....
2011-08-23 14:07 <fossrox_> wpwrak_, yes, it's really such a crap that i don't know what to say more
2011-08-23 14:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/sot.fpd: experimental "generic" SOT footprint (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/5e1d03b
2011-08-23 14:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/stdpass.fpd: added 2010 and 2512 (imperial) footprints (draft) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0d0c302
2011-08-23 14:58 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: hmm, so what happened with rejon's attempt at orthogonalizing the qi logo ?
2011-08-23 15:09 <rejon> its still there
2011-08-23 15:09 <rejon> i just haven't pushed on it much
2011-08-23 15:09 <rejon> you can get off http://fabricatorz.com
2011-08-23 15:09 <wpwrak> rejon: hah ! :) how does wolfgang like it ?
2011-08-23 15:10 <wpwrak> hmm, that's the M1 logo. how about the qi-hw logo ?
2011-08-23 15:10 <wpwrak> ah, at the bottom
2011-08-23 15:11 <wpwrak> do you have a description of the geometry somwhere ?
2011-08-23 15:11 <wpwrak> e.g., is it in a square grid ? or are there some non-integer distances ?
2011-08-23 15:14 <wpwrak> naw, looks like integers
2011-08-23 15:27 <wpwrak> hmm. almost
2011-08-23 15:31 <wpwrak> uses half-grid points. damn those designers ! :)
2011-08-23 15:34 <wpwrak> rejon: here's a partial attempt at gridifying it: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png
2011-08-23 15:36 <wpwrak> rejon: seems that 7 (the width) should be 7.5. the distance of the "leg" is a bit more difficult, doesn't quite fall on a grid or half-grid point. it's also hard to tell because you used anti-aliasing. is there an original version that has clean edges ?
2011-08-23 15:39 <rejon> pleae fix
2011-08-23 15:39 <rejon> please fix
2011-08-23 15:40 <rejon> sorry under the gun
2011-08-23 15:40 <rejon> that is a cool tool
2011-08-23 15:40 <rejon> wpwrak, yes, lets make them all consistent
2011-08-23 15:40 <rejon> and the sharism and qi and ben symbols
2011-08-23 15:41 <wpwrak> for now, i just need qi :) the others are much harder anyway
2011-08-23 15:42 <wpwrak> for the qi logo, how about 7 -> 7.5 and stretching the leg from 5 to 5.5 ? i think then it should be roughly the same
2011-08-23 15:43 <wpwrak> well, i'll double all the numbers. fractional numbers are a sign of indecision :)
2011-08-23 15:51 <wpwrak> rejon: does the qi-hw logo have any invisible properties ? such as a minimum clearance ?
2011-08-23 15:55 <wpwrak> rejon: 2nd try: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png
2011-08-23 15:56 <rejon> the more logical the better on that qi
2011-08-23 15:56 <rejon> it should be better designed
2011-08-23 15:56 <rejon> i agree
2011-08-23 15:56 <rejon> and the qi font should be better
2011-08-23 15:57 <wpwrak> qi font ?
2011-08-23 15:58 <wpwrak> how about clearances and such ? any minimum recommended border ? can other stuff go into the open white space of the qi-hw logo ?
2011-08-23 16:04 <kyak> wolfspraul: should we mention that the new release is not binary-compatible with previous one in "ISSUE"?
2011-08-23 16:09 <wpwrak> now with preview image: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/qi-hw.png
2011-08-23 16:11 <wpwrak> rejon: the sharp corners have the interesting property that some of them can't be milled
2011-08-23 16:39 <kristianpaul> oh please kyak 
2011-08-23 16:40 <kristianpaul> i used to have my local toolchain, seems i have to re-compile again.. :/
2011-08-23 16:40 <kristianpaul> well..
2011-08-23 16:40 <jow_laptop> kyak: do you build the toolchain with your releases?
2011-08-23 16:40 <kristianpaul> for i686? ;-)
2011-08-23 16:41 <jow_laptop> I did that for openwrt 10.03.1-rc5 and it seems to work well
2011-08-23 16:41 <jow_laptop> it will generate a tarball like http://openwrt.linux-appliance.net/xburst/OpenWrt-Toolchain-xburst-for-mipsel-gcc-4.3.3%2bcs_uClibc-0.9.30.1.tar.bz2
2011-08-23 16:42 <jow_laptop> the corresponding .config symbol is CONFIG_MAKE_TOOLCHAIN=y
2011-08-23 16:43 <jow_laptop> this is of course a bit less useful if the build host is amd64
2011-08-23 16:44 <jow_laptop> also if its very new, in particular the used glibc, the resulting binaries may not run everywhere
2011-08-23 16:45 <wolfspraul> kyak: yes, good idea. Let's mention that. Last time people complained.
2011-08-23 16:45 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: don't know where Jon stands on that
2011-08-23 16:46 <kristianpaul> kyak: how often this binary-compatible issue happen?
2011-08-23 16:58 <kyak> kristianpaul: this is the first time, due to major upgrade of uClibc 0.9.30 - 0.9.32 (there was one release based on 0.9.32), but we quickly changed back to 0.9.30 :)
2011-08-23 17:00 <wpwrak> heh, "major upgrade" and 0.9.30->0.9.32. so that's how you express the concept of "understatement" in version numbers ;-)
2011-08-23 17:01 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: (logo) do you like the "digitalized" one ?
2011-08-23 17:02 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: regarding the design details, i'd just post them on the list. then rejon can process them at his leisure :)
2011-08-23 17:04 <kyak> wpwrak: if i'm not mistaken, there had been several years between these releases :) so yeah, they are major
2011-08-23 17:05 <kyak> trying to find a kernel cmdline parameter to control the bell.. "setterm -bfreq 0" prints escape characters to a terminal, and i don't like it..
2011-08-23 18:20 <kristianpaul> hum, nupdf still there..?
2011-08-23 18:22 <kristianpaul> oh man :)
2011-08-23 18:24 <kristianpaul> if people can read on their bb why i cant on my nn ;)
2011-08-23 18:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: schematics symbols and footprints (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2c5a008
2011-08-23 18:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: labsw/: BOOKSHELF and mechanical drawings (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/50157a4
2011-08-23 18:43 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/: "digitalized" Qi-Hardware logo (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/fe057ee
2011-08-23 19:10 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gcc-mips workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b14a89b
2011-08-23 19:27 <Ayla> I've been away for several days
2011-08-23 19:28 <Ayla> somebody highlighted me here, but my log is not long enough, I can't read the message :(
2011-08-23 19:40 <kyak> Ayla: probably this one: http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2011-08-21.log.html#t13:54 :)
2011-08-23 19:41 <Ayla> kyak, thanks!
2011-08-23 19:52 <kristianpaul> how i zoom inout in nupdf?..
2011-08-23 19:52 <kristianpaul> lol
2011-08-23 19:53 <kristianpaul> o is for zoom in ;)
2011-08-23 19:53 <Ayla> and 'i' is for zoom out?
2011-08-23 19:55 <kristianpaul> yeah
2011-08-23 19:55 <kristianpaul> and enter to jump to n page but it give segfault..
2011-08-23 19:56 <kristianpaul> but is dam fast
2011-08-23 19:56 <kyak> kristianpaul: i remember nupdf used to segfault when you jumped to non-existent page
2011-08-23 19:57 <kristianpaul> like page 2? :)
2011-08-23 19:57 <kyak> yes, if it is a single page pdf :)
2011-08-23 19:59 <kristianpaul> kyak: btw you added the poke in the inittab?
2011-08-23 19:59 <kristianpaul> or..
2011-08-23 20:00 <kyak> yep, it;s there
2011-08-23 20:00 <kyak> not inittab though
2011-08-23 20:00 <kyak> just a start script
2011-08-23 20:00 <kristianpaul> ah ;)
2011-08-23 20:32 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Revert "gcc-mips workaround" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1080cfe
2011-08-23 20:32 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gcc-mips: temporary workaround (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a772fbe
2011-08-23 22:01 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: various definitions of borders (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8c52517
2011-08-23 23:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/border.fig: more clarifications (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8f8af98
2011-08-23 23:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: logo/corners.fig: some clarifications here as well (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/cd19fe6
2011-08-23 23:31 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: regarding jon's logo: do you like idea / the design ?
2011-08-23 23:47 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: btw, did you trademark name or logo anywhere ?
2011-08-23 23:48 <wpwrak> (or plan to)
2011-08-23 23:54 <wolfspraul> [like new logo] I'm fine with both
2011-08-23 23:54 <wolfspraul> I have the old logo in a lot of places and I will not spend any time to replace them
2011-08-23 23:54 <wolfspraul> if Jon is pushing the new logo into places, great
2011-08-23 23:54 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-23 23:54 <wpwrak> heh ;-)
2011-08-23 23:55 <wolfspraul> [trademarks] for a while I spent a lot of money on US and EU trademarks, then I realized the system stinks, only slightly less than the patent system.
2011-08-23 23:55 <wolfspraul> so now I trademark nothing anymore, and I leave the ones that are already registered or in different states of registrations abandoned
2011-08-23 23:55 <wpwrak> the old one would be a bitch to include in, say, faceplates or to print it on PCBs. that is, unless the tools in question don't just work like a postscript printer
2011-08-23 23:55 <wolfspraul> in other words, I go back to the good old system of 'trademarks' (tm), not 'registered trademarks' (r)
2011-08-23 23:56 <wpwrak> (trademark) very good. i expected nothing less ;-)
2011-08-23 23:56 <wolfspraul> I take them serious, but the registered databases are a joke
2011-08-23 23:56 <wolfspraul> bloated, inefficient, made by and for lawyers
2011-08-23 23:57 <wolfspraul> large companies are trampling over this anyway, they long don't care anymore, other than some lawyers feeding themselves there of course
2011-08-23 23:57 <wolfspraul> if I have a trademark X registered, and Apple (for example, pick any other giant) chooses to use X 3 years later, they will just do it
2011-08-23 23:57 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-23 23:57 <wolfspraul> the databases are even used to hunt down enemies, which they would otherwise not find
2011-08-23 23:58 <wolfspraul> for example Elphel registered a trademark "/* source inside */" over 5 years ago
2011-08-23 23:58 <wolfspraul> and used it on the outside of their cameras
2011-08-23 23:58 <wpwrak> "intel inside" ;-)
2011-08-23 23:58 <wolfspraul> until after over 5 years Intel found out about it. maybe one of their lawyers had nothing to do on a Friday, did a little search.
2011-08-23 23:59 <wolfspraul> so screw the system, Intel lawyers on 500 USD / hr paychecks will just contact you directly
2011-08-23 23:59 <wolfspraul> they will not file an opposition through the system etc.
2011-08-23 23:59 <wpwrak> or it took them 5 years to work their way to "e" ;-)
2011-08-23 23:59 <wolfspraul> they just bully you, and eventually it's smarter to give up on your "rights"
2011-08-23 23:59 <wpwrak> should have studied law :)
2011-08-23 23:59 <wolfspraul> bottom line: not one more penny into the rotten system of trademark registrations