2011-08-16 00:10 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Updated modules/INFO and modules/Makefile for ssop.fpd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/57d2356 2011-08-16 00:10 [commit] Werner Almesberger: Added PIC18F46J50 (28QFN) symbol (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/f0ad807 2011-08-16 00:19 [commit] Ayla: Enable the SDL timer subsystem only if the backlight timeout is enabled. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/e282f8a 2011-08-16 00:19 [commit] Ayla: GMenu2X does not need to init the audio subsystem of SDL. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/bffef7c 2011-08-16 01:31 Hi there are 'pending' message in mailing list. I just approved some of them, I saw the message in 'Archives' do we will receive those email ? seems not. I still not receive them. 2011-08-16 01:35 xiangfu_: from Uli Raich ? i got them 2011-08-16 01:35 (three of them) 2011-08-16 01:36 oh. then my network is very slow. :( 2011-08-16 01:36 and an old one from Jedidiah Johnson 2011-08-16 01:36 still not get them. yes three from Uli, and one message that reply to you 2011-08-16 01:36 oh. yes 2011-08-16 01:42 xiangfu_: just wait a little 2011-08-16 01:43 xiangfu_, 2011-08-16 01:44 i need to clone you 2011-08-16 01:44 seems xiangfu is not the only with net problems today 2011-08-16 01:44 ha 2011-08-16 01:44 my net in beijing working well today 2011-08-16 01:44 ipv6/4 or tunnel to the US? 2011-08-16 01:45 vpn 2011-08-16 01:46 btw how i can tell grep to match regexp just from the begining? 2011-08-16 01:46 i'm using $ but i think is not working 2011-08-16 01:48 ^ is beginning $ is end 2011-08-16 01:48 he ;) 2011-08-16 01:51 ^something 2011-08-16 01:51 s/^blah/replace/g 2011-08-16 01:53 oh, i can use regex on vim/ex/sed too? 2011-08-16 01:53 well not going yo try that today 2011-08-16 01:54 http://pastebin.com/nGP9YSwL 2011-08-16 01:54 oops 2011-08-16 01:55 http://kristianpaul.org/~paul/tmp/enables_namuru.txt 2011-08-16 01:56 and the prn_key_enable was the missing register to care about.. 2011-08-16 02:08 kristianpaul: sed, grep, vi, perl, ... :) 2011-08-16 02:41 NOT to alarm everybody here, but i think i fully understand that meaning of the dimly led, but my case with D1, as just five minutes ago my m1 after plugging power wasnt detected by urjtag and i just noticed D1 slighlt dim 2011-08-16 03:47 hmm, back 2011-08-16 03:47 you did something? 2011-08-16 03:47 probably Hetzner (the server hosting company) is upgrading routers 2011-08-16 03:47 no 2011-08-16 03:47 not yet :-) 2011-08-16 03:47 ohh 2011-08-16 03:48 kristianpaul: you said namuru is working now? 2011-08-16 03:48 if acuumulators show something that changes over time i should said yes is working :) 2011-08-16 03:49 :-) 2011-08-16 03:49 congratulations! sounds like progress :-) 2011-08-16 03:49 of sure, bit a bit.. 2011-08-16 03:49 but i'm working on it ;) 2011-08-16 03:52 he interesting wikipedia article, brought trought pikik stats https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_NO-OS_and_Open_Source_Laptop_Manufacturers 2011-08-16 03:53 now i'm wondering if qi-hardware is on europe.. 2011-08-16 03:53 actually should i said china or world wide? 2011-08-16 03:57 kristianpaul: what a list :-) 2011-08-16 03:58 hehe 2011-08-16 03:58 i stop reading when saw hp there.. 2011-08-16 03:58 I think we are on a good track. new and different understanding of the hardware-software boundary, definition of copyleft hardware that leads to a new lineage of computing 2011-08-16 03:58 oh that list is wonderful, totally messed up :-) 2011-08-16 03:58 it shows one thing above all - confusion 2011-08-16 03:58 yeah 2011-08-16 03:59 viric: page downd http://vicerveza.homeunix.net/~viric/cgi-bin/nanonixos/ ? 2011-08-16 03:59 but that's ok, we are also still confused, but working on clarity 2011-08-16 04:02 xiangfu: in can i avoid to commit certain lines of a file? 2011-08-16 04:03 kristianpaul, no. 2011-08-16 04:03 I'm just added some test points to my designa at the same time i want commit other changed and dont want to messup more commit log with two comments in same commit 2011-08-16 04:03 xiangfu: a shame ;) 2011-08-16 04:03 just kidding,  i need to improve my developing practices :) 2011-08-16 04:04 there is a quit way to add commit from vi... hum it should be.. 2011-08-16 04:10 bah, what plugin if i can alwayys do !whatever :) 2011-08-16 04:13 xiangfu: when i want to be a bit expensive in the comment for a commit i just ran git commit and start writing right? 2011-08-16 04:13 git commit -a or git commit FILE 2011-08-16 04:13 or git commit -a -m "commit log" 2011-08-16 04:14 .a ok 2011-08-16 04:14 no no, i want avoid write all down in that "" 2011-08-16 04:14 too short :) 2011-08-16 04:20 EDITOR=vim git commit FILE :D 2011-08-16 05:40 [milkymist] kristianpaul pushed 3 new commits to gps-sdr-testing: https://github.com/kristianpaul/milkymist/compare/5ac6a7d...d4b6326 2011-08-16 05:40 [milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] Blocking to Non-blocking assignment - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas 2011-08-16 05:40 [milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] load PRN key/set clear flag added to accumulator/status loop, - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas 2011-08-16 05:40 [milkymist/gps-sdr-testing] sample enable signald wired to high, prn key enable is now cleared in every clock cycle [HACK] - Cristian Paul Peñaranda Rojas 2011-08-16 05:41 (vendors) no tuxbrain ? aww ... 2011-08-16 06:33 guys 2011-08-16 06:34 is errno always set by ioctl()? 2011-08-16 06:34 or are there cases where it is not set? 2011-08-16 13:28 hmm, if python can't be fixed, maybe we can call the upcoming owrt release a "technical release", that isn't recommended for general use 2011-08-16 13:28 not having python seems like a major regression. i'm not surprised that people hate the idea :) 2011-08-16 13:32 wpwrak: yes they do :-) 2011-08-16 13:32 but the reality is that we may need to kick out a lot more broken stuff, and should 2011-08-16 13:32 the alternative is that our releases slow to a halt, we don't even have enough time to update the kernel, etc. 2011-08-16 13:33 it's also a communication problem. xiangfu basically wrote "python has issues, so we'll drop it. basta." that's not nice 2011-08-16 13:33 true, but he toned it down from what I told him to get my point across :-) 2011-08-16 13:34 ;-)) 2011-08-16 13:34 but yes I agree, it's a subtle 2011-08-16 13:34 you should try to be a better example :) 2011-08-16 13:34 thing 2011-08-16 13:34 the reality is that the NanoNote is a very very niche platform, I think one could even make that point about all of OpenWrt, but that is kept alive due to the routers 2011-08-16 13:34 so we have to be careful 2011-08-16 13:35 dvdk seems to be on it. so let's see 2011-08-16 13:35 to make it through the Android dark age, I think we need to be very selective in only the best and stable free software we are able to maintain 2011-08-16 13:35 once more people join, we need the documentation and tools ready to welcome them and guide their contributions 2011-08-16 13:35 well, but python is pretty essential these days 2011-08-16 13:36 kicking it out is a bit like not having bash (to many people at least) 2011-08-16 13:36 yes sure 2011-08-16 13:36 I would kick that out too if it caused problems :-) 2011-08-16 13:36 it's just thought from result backwards 2011-08-16 13:36 what are we able to pull off? 2011-08-16 13:36 I'm not getting stuck in wishful thinking 2011-08-16 13:37 I told xiangfu that I have no problem going back to a boot to command line ;-) 2011-08-16 13:37 just rip everything out that doesn't work 2011-08-16 13:37 :-) 2011-08-16 13:37 a bit radical :) but okay for a technical release 2011-08-16 13:38 call it whatever you like 2011-08-16 13:38 just don't make people think this is what they should install in general 2011-08-16 13:38 such nuances are lost in our small community, those few people will happily take whatever we are able to build 2011-08-16 13:38 I need to uptick the buildhost too 2011-08-16 13:38 xiangfu told me something about scary 31h compile cycles 2011-08-16 13:39 most important I think is closely following openwrt upstream 2011-08-16 13:39 and then especially making sure the Ben kernel patches stay clean, get upleveled within openwrt and also to kernel.org. make sure lars is not alone, find out how we can help there. 2011-08-16 13:39 i don't think they're lost. just say "we followed the release process, but there are these regressions, so please only install it if you're okay with them or want to help fixing. for the rest of you, please be patient, we're working on making things better." 2011-08-16 13:39 that's my lifeline 2011-08-16 13:39 not Python 2011-08-16 13:39 Python comes next 2011-08-16 13:39 yes definitely, totally agree with you 2011-08-16 14:17 wpwrak,  I am trying to setup the ben-wpan using qi-kernel and rootfs. I have copied the binaries to ben 2011-08-16 14:18 but when i run iz add wpan-phy0 i am getting this error: Receive failed: Netlink Error (errno = No such device) 2011-08-16 14:18 Am i missing any obvious step? what does this error indicate? 2011-08-16 14:21 jivs: does your kernel detect the board ? 2011-08-16 14:23 spi_atben spi_atben: atben_reset 2011-08-16 14:23 saw this on dmesg 2011-08-16 14:23 i think it means it detects, isn't it? 2011-08-16 14:24 that looks at least promising. what does   dmesg | grep at86rf231   say ? 2011-08-16 14:24 should be: at86rf230 spi32766.0: Detected at86rf231 chip version 2 2011-08-16 14:24 (or similar) 2011-08-16 14:26 yes i got that 2011-08-16 14:26 okay, then iz add should work. hmm. how did you configure your kernel ? or did you take a precompiled one ? 2011-08-16 14:27 now, i am using the precompiled one 2011-08-16 14:27 <`antonio`> wpwrak, I don't have any result from dmesg | grep at86rf231 2011-08-16 14:28 <`antonio`> does that mean that my kernel was not built properly 2011-08-16 14:28 `antonio`: that's bad. do you get any for  dmesg | grep at86rf230   ? 2011-08-16 14:28 `antonio`: could be a kernel configuration problem, yes 2011-08-16 14:29 <`antonio`> nothing from dmesg | grep at86rf230 2011-08-16 14:29 wprak now it registered the device 2011-08-16 14:29 jivs: you mean "iz add" worked ? 2011-08-16 14:30 is it necessary to reboot after installing ip and ldconfig 2011-08-16 14:30 `antonio`: then you kernel doesn't seem to have the driver 2011-08-16 14:30 yes it works now, 2011-08-16 14:30 because i rebooted it after that error and now it is working 2011-08-16 14:30 jivs: shouldn't need a reboot, but you never know :)  if this happens again, iz listphy   should list the available interfaces 2011-08-16 14:31 <`antonio`> wpwrak, I am following these instructions http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/source/tree/master/install/INSTALL-Ben 2011-08-16 14:31 <`antonio`> how do I check if the kernel has is properly configured ? 2011-08-16 14:31 wprak thank u. 2011-08-16 14:31 <`antonio`> and the patch was applied 2011-08-16 14:32 `antonio`: which patch ? 2011-08-16 14:33 `antonio`: what does  ls /sys/devices/platform/  show on your ben ? 2011-08-16 14:33 jivs: you're most welcome :) 2011-08-16 14:33 <`antonio`> gpio-charger.0    jz-udc            jz4740-codec      jz4740-i2s        jz4740-pcm-audio  matrix-keypad     pwm-beeper        serial8250.0      spi_gpio.1 2011-08-16 14:33 <`antonio`> gpio-keys         jz4740-adc        jz4740-fb         jz4740-nand.0     jz4740-rtc        power             serial8250        soc-audio         uevent 2011-08-16 14:35 <`antonio`> line 16 - 17 apply the configurations and patch right? http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/source/tree/master/install/INSTALL-Ben#L16 2011-08-16 14:37 ah yes, these are the config and a hack that's needed to make openwrt boot 2011-08-16 14:38 what does  git branch -a  say ? 2011-08-16 14:38 the "ls" doesn't show spi_atben, so there's definitely a lot missing 2011-08-16 14:40 <`antonio`> wpwrak, master 2011-08-16 14:41 <`antonio`> no wait, 2011-08-16 14:41 `antonio`: in the kernel tree ? should say   * ben-wpan 2011-08-16 14:41 <`antonio`> * ben-wpan 2011-08-16 14:41 <`antonio`>   master 2011-08-16 14:41 <`antonio`> yeh 2011-08-16 14:41 and then some more, including "master", all the others without asterisk 2011-08-16 14:41 okay 2011-08-16 14:41 <`antonio`> yeh and all the rest 2011-08-16 14:42 you're using the openwrt toolchain ? 2011-08-16 14:42 <`antonio`> yes 2011-08-16 14:42 <`antonio`> master 2011-08-16 14:43 <`antonio`> i'll show u the kernel instructions I am following 2011-08-16 14:43 <`antonio`> http://pastebin.com/xU8Mn9kp 2011-08-16 14:45 hmm, i'm not sure the "make vmlinux.bin" does what you want 2011-08-16 14:45 maybe try  make -e vmlinux.bin 2011-08-16 14:50 or if this acts weird,  make ARCH=$ARCH CROSS_COMPILE=$CROSS_COMPILE vmlinux.bin 2011-08-16 14:51 when compilation is done. check   grep ATBEN .config 2011-08-16 14:51 should say  CONFIG_SPI_ATBEN=y 2011-08-16 14:52 <`antonio`> ok i'll try again 2011-08-16 14:53 wpwrak your suggestion that the new Ben release be called e.g. a technical release is sound IMO. Losing Python (while admitedly temporary) is removing a significant mainstream capability. 2011-08-16 14:55 and no, I am not qualified to help. //that's for my pals kristianpaul and rejon /smile/ 2011-08-16 15:02 wolfspraul: you'll like this (apple vs. samsung): http://webwereld.nl/nieuws/107599/apple-levert-onjuist-bewijs-in-zaak-tegen-samsung.html 2011-08-16 15:03 wolfspraul: apparently, in their petition (?) for the preliminary injunction, they changed the aspect ratio of the image of the galaxy tab, making it a bit more similar to the iPad 2011-08-16 15:04 Yes, and of all countries to do it in, Apple had done this in Germany, where they are really serious about their measurements... 2011-08-16 15:04 hehe, yes :) 2011-08-16 15:11 maybe it's like in the movies. they bad guys compulsively have to do evil, even if it clearly works against them ;-) 2011-08-16 15:21 :) 2011-08-16 15:23 wha heppended? 2011-08-16 15:23 sorry at office today, i'll read backlog at lunch :) 2011-08-16 15:25 kristianpaul: you know that apple got a preliminary injunction in germany against samsung, restricting sale of the galaxy tab ? 2011-08-16 15:25 (that happened a few days ago already) 2011-08-16 15:29 [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/qfn.fpd: added paste island ratio calculation, with NXP recommendations (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/d04a714 2011-08-16 15:29 [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/qfn.fpd (QFN28-MCHP-ML): footprint for Microchip 0.65 mm 28QFN package (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/0f1829b 2011-08-16 15:35 wpwrak, it is now working with our own root file system as well 2011-08-16 15:35 thanks alot 2011-08-16 15:36 jivs: congratulations ! :) 2011-08-16 15:36 thank u 2011-08-16 15:45 oh, even better. apple also removed the "Samsung" logo, to suggest the device was intended for portrait orientation, while it's apparently more meant for landscape. a chance in aspect ratio could perhaps be explained away, but removal of a logo ? well, the judge still has a few days to think of a commensurate response :) 2011-08-16 15:45 wpwrak: no i dint knew that 2011-08-16 15:45 in mind my the only hot news was goolgle motorla bought 2011-08-16 15:47 yeah, gootorola is the other recent big news 2011-08-16 15:48 wpwrak: they could hate not having python but i wonder if the really we're using it.. 2011-08-16 15:50 actuaylly this "kick" will be good to see more people intrested in python 2011-08-16 15:50 hehe :) 2011-08-16 15:50 like porting pygames or such or anything usefull 2011-08-16 15:52 i think the python issue is just a glitch. apparently, wolfgang told xiangfu to just go ahead if something doesn't work. and he presented it as if he himself would brazenly drop things that get in his way. subtle twists in communication :) 2011-08-16 15:52 rjeffries: what's is that meastrame capabillity? having a python partially working is not 2011-08-16 15:52 glitch, ahhh 2011-08-16 15:53 also i recall again, i havent seen a _really_ usefull work of python on the nanonote, besides been there 2011-08-16 15:54 of course i talk about an aplication that requires it :) 2011-08-16 16:28 <`antonio`> wpwrak, thanks that solved everything 2011-08-16 16:28 great ! glad that it works :) 2011-08-16 16:29 do you have atusbs as well, or just atbens ? 2011-08-16 16:30 <`antonio`> yeh but i didn't put my hands on the kernel yet i'll let you know when i'll get that working 2011-08-16 16:32 atusb may be a bit more trouble (to use) until i've fixed the long delays. kernel configuration shouldn't be a bigger issue than with atben, though. the main obstacle there is probably to get a kernel that boots on the PC at all :) 2011-08-16 16:37 <`antonio`> ok 2011-08-16 16:40 good excuse to buy another ben and use it as atben bridge :) 2011-08-16 16:44 yeah :) 2011-08-16 16:56 [commit] Werner Almesberger: dsv/dsv: added option -p to show the path to the file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/45031eb 2011-08-16 17:01 kristianpaul: yes, I configured the router bad. Let me fix it 2011-08-16 17:11 kristianpaul: I should think of taking down my website from time to time... A few hours not working bring me totally unexpected messages from unexpected people :) 2011-08-16 17:16 lol 2011-08-16 17:16 I think it should work 2011-08-16 17:16 the web, I mean. now. 2011-08-16 17:16 can you check? 2011-08-16 17:17 ah I tried with a web proxy 2011-08-16 17:18 fine. 2011-08-16 17:18 I wonder what's of your interest there :) 2011-08-16 17:18 nothing actually, i just was reading Ben Nanonote article in wikipedia last night 2011-08-16 17:19 well no nothing, i discover nanonixos and wanted to read.. 2011-08-16 18:42 kristianpaul: ok 2011-08-16 18:42 kristianpaul: and you did no think "Ché, esto es macanudo!" 2011-08-16 18:48 viric: jaja, algo tal ves :) 2011-08-16 22:50 [commit] Ayla: Added a boolean function to know if the powersaver is running. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/f318286 2011-08-16 22:50 [commit] Ayla: Create the powersaver instance on demand and destroy it when not needed. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/fca8c8e 2011-08-16 22:50 [commit] Ayla: The input manager should check whether a powersaver instance is running, to not create one when it's not needed. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/8c1f4ab