2011-08-03 01:49 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: gmenu2x update (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f8c5391
2011-08-03 01:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files update build script file (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a6f250f
2011-08-03 01:56 <kristianpaul> xiangfu: why you use branches isntead of tags for qi-openwrt releases?
2011-08-03 01:59 <xiangfu> for openwrt-package branch is better. since feeds.conf support branch. not tag.
2011-08-03 01:59 <kristianpaul> oh, good to know
2011-08-03 02:00 <xiangfu> for openwrt-xburst.my plan is using tag. 
2011-08-03 02:00 <xiangfu> you can see tag: release_2010-12-14 and release_2011-02-23
2011-08-03 02:02 <xiangfu> since we rebase a lot. I think branch is better then tag for us. so for "release_2011-05-28" I using branch again. 
2011-08-03 02:02 <kristianpaul> (rebase) ;)
2011-08-03 02:02 <xiangfu> maybe I just delete those two tag, using branch as always. 
2011-08-03 02:02 <xiangfu> no tags anymore. all branch.
2011-08-03 02:02 <xiangfu> that do you think? tag and branch is mess, only one is better. 
2011-08-03 02:03 <kristianpaul> is not better all branch and tags in branch?
2011-08-03 02:03 <kristianpaul> oh, dint knew it about the mess
2011-08-03 02:03 <kristianpaul> what linux uses for releases?
2011-08-03 02:03 <kristianpaul> tarball still? :)
2011-08-03 02:03 <xiangfu> tag in upstream.
2011-08-03 02:05 <kristianpaul> well.. i really cant advice you, actually i made question in first place as i wanted to survery git users about branch and tags for releases
2011-08-03 02:06 <kristianpaul> personallu i like tags in the master branchs
2011-08-03 02:06 <kristianpaul> and let the other branchs for testings/experimenting porpuses
2011-08-03 02:06 <kristianpaul> there is that stash thing but i dont get used to it yet..
2011-08-03 02:15 <xiangfu> I am testing. seems the after rebase, tag have some problem. ask in #git for make sure. if tag have problem when rebase, then we have to using 'branch' :)
2011-08-03 02:18 <kristianpaul> can you avoid rebase?
2011-08-03 02:18 <kristianpaul> or do it not in master then later merge?
2011-08-03 02:31 <xiangfu> I try to keep our commit on top of openwrt's commit. the only way is rebase :(
2011-08-03 02:34 <ignatius_> Anyone know how to use the entire NAND's space for userland? Every time I install a .UBI I only get around 500MiB.
2011-08-03 02:36 <kristianpaul> ignatius_: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ubifs_Startup
2011-08-03 02:37 <ignatius_> Thanks.
2011-08-03 03:13 <kristianpaul> good and bad news
2011-08-03 03:14 <kristianpaul> first the accumlator interrupt signal was OK all this time
2011-08-03 03:16 <kristianpaul> but, and just until i start playing a bit with vertical scale in the scope i discovr this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kristianpaul/wtf%20accum%20int.png
2011-08-03 03:18 <kristianpaul> that signal should look like this http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/kristianpaul/good%20accum%20int.png
2011-08-03 03:18 <kristianpaul> difference? well a different fpga pin
2011-08-03 03:18 <kristianpaul> thats the bad part... i hope i dint damaged without noticing..
2011-08-03 03:47 <xiangfu> I just try "openwrt-xburst.full_system-07272011-1848" images. 
2011-08-03 03:47 <xiangfu> python gets better. but still "Segmentation fault", pyclock is working. but 'python' get "segmentation fault"
2011-08-03 03:51 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: you there?
2011-08-03 03:51 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-08-03 03:51 <wolfspraul> I am wondering whether we should go back to a short usb cable for m1.
2011-08-03 03:51 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-03 03:52 <kristianpaul> he ;)
2011-08-03 03:52 <wolfspraul> I guess going to a long one (I believe that came from you) caused new problems. And I don't want to spend energy on fixing those problems, instead why not just have a short one?
2011-08-03 03:52 <wolfspraul> you complained back then, why?
2011-08-03 03:52 <kristianpaul> well, my current cable is a 80cm long from a canon camera and works ok
2011-08-03 03:52 <wolfspraul> if the cable is user in a developer setting (because of the upward pointing USB it's meant to go to jtag), then most likely the m1 will stand right next to a notebook, no?
2011-08-03 03:52 <kristianpaul> yes i complain time ago about short cables
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> ok but that one is a dev only situation
2011-08-03 03:53 <kristianpaul> but i never tought this could happen, sorry :(
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> the m1 is open
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> no, all fine
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> we must never be afraid to improve things
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> there's always a price to pay, but I know this and I'm still passionate about aggressively improving
2011-08-03 03:53 <wolfspraul> every pioneer will at some point realize there are easier ways to live your life :-)
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> so...
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> isn't this cable used in a dev only setting?
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> m1 is open
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> it must be near
2011-08-03 03:54 <kristianpaul> ergg, my cable 123cms from canon camera
2011-08-03 03:54 <kristianpaul> yes dev
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> I cannot see why there is any problem if the cable is 80cm, even less
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> if the cable is used for m1 in an event/performance setting, I can understand
2011-08-03 03:54 <kristianpaul> and no problem on my side of course, runnon debian stable, what else i can tel..
2011-08-03 03:54 <wolfspraul> we have extra long cables for the power supplies now, for exmaple :-) (2.5m instead of the normal 1.8m)
2011-08-03 03:54 <kristianpaul> jtag pod with fix
2011-08-03 03:55 <kristianpaul> oh
2011-08-03 03:55 <wolfspraul> so you say 80cm for the usb jtag cable is also fine?
2011-08-03 03:56 <kristianpaul> well, i could say that but is not realiable as i never reflashed 90 boards with mine...
2011-08-03 03:57 <kristianpaul> yeah. well usually next to netbook.
2011-08-03 03:57 <kristianpaul> well, all people havbe netbooks now, may be i need get one in my home and replace the dekstop computer ;)
2011-08-03 03:58 <kristianpaul> but  YES. cable is only for dev settings i gree
2011-08-03 03:58 <kristianpaul> agree****
2011-08-03 03:59 <kristianpaul> and if short works, okay...
2011-08-03 03:59 <kristianpaul> i think xiangfu have a nice shorter cable, now i realize why :-)
2011-08-03 04:00 <wolfspraul> I'm not trying to talk you into liking it, I am trying to understand the specific setting you have in mind.
2011-08-03 04:00 <wolfspraul> in your case, the m1 is on your desk, but the cable runs down to a desktop computer sitting on the floor?
2011-08-03 04:00 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-08-03 04:01 <wolfspraul> and what is the cable length you need to reach down there?
2011-08-03 04:01 <wolfspraul> 80cm will not be enough, right?
2011-08-03 04:02 <kristianpaul> well. in my particular case a little tight but you work
2011-08-03 04:03 <kristianpaul> s/you/might
2011-08-03 04:04 <wolfspraul> ok
2011-08-03 04:04 <wolfspraul> thanks!
2011-08-03 04:04 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-08-03 04:06 <kristianpaul> he, i hope my feedback helped... well... at least i'll keep mind changing cable lengts is not  good always..
2011-08-03 04:06 <wolfspraul> well, anything can make a difference, in hindsight you know.
2011-08-03 04:06 <wolfspraul> but that cannot stop us from making changes, otherwise we may as well close shop.
2011-08-03 04:06 <wolfspraul> so all fine
2011-08-03 04:06 <wolfspraul> we learn
2011-08-03 04:08 <kristianpaul> afortunty usb cables are cheap in you side i guess :)
2011-08-03 04:38 <roh> morning
2011-08-03 04:40 <wolfspraul> morning
2011-08-03 04:42 <kristianpaul> gn8 :)
2011-08-03 07:49 <qi-bot> The build has FAILED, see log here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-08022011-0429/
2011-08-03 08:07 <kodein> oh dear
2011-08-03 08:42 <xiangfu> the recently openwrt updata break the 'at-3.1.12' package.
2011-08-03 11:16 <LunaVorax> Hello everyone !
2011-08-03 11:23 <wolfspraul> LunaVorax: hi
2011-08-03 11:40 <Ayla> wpwrak: hello?
2011-08-03 14:04 <LunaVorax> wolfspraul, how have you been ?
2011-08-03 14:09 <wolfspraul> LunaVorax: busy!
2011-08-03 14:09 <wolfspraul> working on upcoming Milkymist One
2011-08-03 14:09 <wolfspraul> our video synthesizer
2011-08-03 14:09 <wolfspraul> LunaVorax: wanna buy one? :-) 499 USD...
2011-08-03 14:10 <wolfspraul> and how have you been? what's brewing?
2011-08-03 14:23 <rix1234> has anyone done with usb-redirection for citrix receiver
2011-08-03 15:50 <LunaVorax> wolfspraul, passing semester 2 at college, still learning C and SDL, working on some project, building a NAS RAID-5, lot of stuff :)
2011-08-03 15:50 <LunaVorax> wolfspraul, also tried to learn asm x86 but lost motivation
2011-08-03 15:54 <Ayla> losinggeneration, what are you doing here? :)
2011-08-03 15:55 <losinggeneration> idling :P
2011-08-03 15:56 <Ayla> you bought a nanonote?
2011-08-03 15:57 <Ayla> done with your didj?
2011-08-03 15:57 <losinggeneration> seems like a logical place to idle since I have an openmoko neo freerunner and like open hardware stuff
2011-08-03 15:57 <Ayla> ok
2011-08-03 15:57 <losinggeneration> oh, not done with it, just put on the back burner for a bit, life is a bit hecktic right now, and I've been trying to work on some sms code lately
2011-08-03 15:57 <losinggeneration> *hectic* even
2011-08-03 15:58 <Ayla> sms as in sega master system?
2011-08-03 15:58 <losinggeneration> yeah
2011-08-03 15:58 <Ayla> :)
2011-08-03 15:58 <losinggeneration> it is a bit ambiguous when I'm in non-sega irc channels :P
2011-08-03 15:59 <Ayla> keep me informed, we need a SMS emu :p
2011-08-03 15:59 <losinggeneration> well, I ported CrabEmu to the Didj which meant writing an SDL backend
2011-08-03 16:00 <Ayla> the Didj is 320x240?
2011-08-03 16:00 <losinggeneration> off the top of my head, I think so
2011-08-03 16:01 <Ayla> there's no ASM in it?
2011-08-03 16:01 <losinggeneration> pure C
2011-08-03 16:02 <Ayla> heh, interesting
2011-08-03 16:03 <losinggeneration> it needs a few more minor optimization, but it runs at pretty much full speed
2011-08-03 16:03 <Ayla> tell me when the code is mature enough, so that I can port it to the dingoo A320...
2011-08-03 16:04 <losinggeneration> it's actually not in terrible shape IMO, but another set of eyes on it may be useful :)
2011-08-03 16:04 <Ayla> we'll release a new kernel for it in a few, a new emulator would make some advertisement
2011-08-03 16:06 <losinggeneration> oh, it does depend on Lua (for configuration) also, but that shouldn't be too hard to make for pretty much any system
2011-08-03 16:07 <Ayla> it's one case to check on buildroot, and we have Lua on the system
2011-08-03 16:16 <Ayla> you could put KOS lib on the dcload disc
2011-08-03 16:16 <Ayla> the elf to send on the cable would be MUCH smaller
2011-08-03 16:24 <losinggeneration> Yes, it would indeed be smaller. I'd also like to get KOS to a point where it's modular, so only, for instance, the base OS, and filesystem stuff loads up instead absolutely of everything
2011-08-03 16:25 <Ayla> that's for KOS 3.0
2011-08-03 16:26 <losinggeneration> yeah :)
2011-08-03 16:26 <losinggeneration> maybe for ten years from now :P
2011-08-03 16:28 <losinggeneration> I've also been thinking it may be useful for it to support more devices/consoles... but the DC still has a pretty loyal (albeit small) following 
2011-08-03 16:29 <Ayla> it's too close to the hardware to be portable
2011-08-03 16:29 <losinggeneration> well, it used to have initial support for ps2 and gba, but those were never finished/matured
2011-08-03 16:30 <Ayla> I wouldn't mind seeing it on x360
2011-08-03 16:30 <losinggeneration> initial apps wouldn't be portable from one device to another (which would be annoying) unless we put a generic hardware interface in place
2011-08-03 16:31 <losinggeneration> oh, all the big picture projects I'd love to have enough time to work on :/
2011-08-03 16:34 <Ayla> heh, I know that
2011-08-03 16:34 <Ayla> I have one big picture project called AICA/OS& ;)
2011-08-03 16:36 <Ayla> which has been in pause for a long time
2011-08-03 16:36 <losinggeneration> did you end up ditching newlib, I forget
2011-08-03 16:37 <Ayla> I have some code on github for it, but I fear I'll have to start it again, and implement the RPC on the syscalls of newlib
2011-08-03 16:40 <Ayla> the goal is to be able to open say "/cd/file.txt" directly from the ARM, and read/write it, with nothing more than fopen, fread and fwrite
2011-08-03 16:44 <losinggeneration> that would be pretty cool, also, fclose is overrated (or underrated for not being mentioned :P)
2011-08-03 16:45 <Ayla> you'll have fclose() too, indeed
2011-08-03 17:36 <Jay7> LunaVorax: raid5 may be one-way-ticket for your data :)
2011-08-03 17:37 <LunaVorax> Jay7, you sure ? I though it was safe
2011-08-03 17:37 <Jay7> LunaVorax: it have one problem - write hole
2011-08-03 17:38 <Jay7> check wikipedia about RAID5
2011-08-03 17:38 <LunaVorax> I did
2011-08-03 17:38 <Jay7> failed driver increasing load of next drive in array
2011-08-03 17:39 <Jay7> at least install spare drive and run checkum re-checkin regularly
2011-08-03 17:40 <LunaVorax> Jay7, which RAID would you use ?
2011-08-03 17:41 <Jay7> mostly RAID1, but have 2 hardware RAID6 too
2011-08-03 17:41 <Jay7> now thinking about ZFS with RAID-Z..
2011-08-03 17:41 <Jay7> it's RAID5 but w/o write hole because of ZFS's CoW algo
2011-08-03 17:42 <Jay7> I dislike HW raid's.. it's hard to recover data from it always
2011-08-03 17:42 <Jay7> if card is dead you should find card by same vendor (and may be even from same series)..
2011-08-03 17:43 <Jay7> after ~5-10 years it's very hard to do :)
2011-08-03 17:44 <Jay7> LunaVorax: other option is RAID10 (or 1+0)
2011-08-03 17:45 <Jay7> but you will have less space when compared to RAID5..
2011-08-03 17:45 <Jay7> but disks are cheap now :)
2011-08-03 17:47 <LunaVorax> Jay7, we don't have the same conception of cheap then
2011-08-03 17:48 <LunaVorax> I paid 333¬ for 4*2Tb
2011-08-03 17:48 <Jay7> it's better than 3333 euro :)
2011-08-03 17:48 <LunaVorax> And, yes, I need the 8tb :/
2011-08-03 17:49 <LunaVorax> I'm not that ready to pay 333 more euros only to make a RAID 10
2011-08-03 17:49 <Jay7> well, use RAID5 but buy one spare disk 
2011-08-03 17:49 <Jay7> ASAP
2011-08-03 17:49 <Jay7> just to lower possibility of double fault
2011-08-03 17:49 <LunaVorax> hmkay
2011-08-03 17:49 <Jay7> or change drives every 2 years :)
2011-08-03 17:50 <LunaVorax> Jay7, what software are you using for your raid ?
2011-08-03 17:50 <Jay7> LunaVorax: mdadm on Linux, gmirror or zfs on FreeBSD
2011-08-03 17:50 <LunaVorax> hmkay
2011-08-03 17:51 <LunaVorax> I was thiniking about using FreeNAS since I'm a noob
2011-08-03 17:51 <Jay7> FreeNAS is FreeBSD-based
2011-08-03 17:51 <LunaVorax> I know
2011-08-03 17:51 <Jay7> there you may use RAID5 because it is RAID-Z
2011-08-03 17:51 <LunaVorax> You mean RAID5 using ZFS formatted disks ?
2011-08-03 17:52 <Jay7> but you should buy at least 4Gb of RAM for zfs to run smoothly :)
2011-08-03 17:52 <LunaVorax> Oh damn
2011-08-03 17:52 <Jay7> better to have 8Gb (if you will enable deduplication with next FreeNAS release)
2011-08-03 17:52 <LunaVorax> No ZFS then
2011-08-03 17:52 <LunaVorax> 4gb for a filesystem ? that's insane
2011-08-03 17:53 <Jay7> not for FS, but for NAS
2011-08-03 17:53 <LunaVorax> you lost me a bit
2011-08-03 17:53 <Jay7> zfs may work with 1Gb 
2011-08-03 17:53 <Jay7> but you will get more speed with 4Gb 
2011-08-03 17:53 <Jay7> because you may enable prefetching
2011-08-03 17:54 <Jay7> or use OpenFiler e.g.
2011-08-03 17:54 <LunaVorax> Hum
2011-08-03 17:54 <Jay7> it's linux-based (lvm + ext3 iirc)
2011-08-03 17:54 <LunaVorax> That's getting even more complicated than I though
2011-08-03 17:55 <Jay7> or use freenas but with UFS
2011-08-03 17:55 <Jay7> but I'm unsure it will create raid5 then.. you should check this before
2011-08-03 17:56 <Jay7> LunaVorax: nothing really complicated... it depends on your NAS load
2011-08-03 17:56 <Jay7> for low load you may use almost everything
2011-08-03 17:56 <Jay7> for high load I'll prefer to have ZFS with 8Gb of RAM :)
2011-08-03 17:59 <LunaVorax> Jay7, It's just a little NAS for me on centralise all of my data mand make it safe
2011-08-03 18:00 <LunaVorax> And I'm the only one using it
2011-08-03 18:00 <LunaVorax> -on + to
2011-08-03 18:05 <Jay7> LunaVorax: try OpenFiler then
2011-08-03 18:05 <Jay7> it should provide all you want :)
2011-08-03 18:06 <Jay7> and iirc, it does not require separate storage for itself (like FreeNAS does)
2011-08-03 18:06 <LunaVorax> hum key
2011-08-03 18:06 <Jay7> but I'm not sure
2011-08-03 18:41 <kristianpaul> true, raid is a mess when you want ot recover lost data
2011-08-03 18:41 <kristianpaul> s/ot/to
2011-08-03 18:42 <kristianpaul> wher i work, at month or so, there are such us cases
2011-08-03 18:42 <kristianpaul> and hardware lockerd to vendor most of the time..
2011-08-03 18:43 <kristianpaul> NAS is good way, at least if you can sync tow of this boxes (hopefullt remotelly separated)
2011-08-03 18:44 <Jay7> btw, nice place for open HW - open hw raid cards :)
2011-08-03 18:45 <Jay7> with open metadata format and cheap batteries :)
2011-08-03 18:46 <Jay7> and sure with open drivers and tools :)
2011-08-03 18:48 <kristianpaul> yeah... when time allow :)
2011-08-03 18:49 <kristianpaul> storage indeed is full of lock, just see those cheap usb memory sticks now days..
2011-08-03 18:50 <kristianpaul> or even worst external hard drives, with usb support, that uses AES, but no body knows the key aparently..
2011-08-03 18:51 <kristianpaul> oh well :)