2011-07-25 02:50 <kristianpaul> who like cats?
2011-07-25 02:50 <kristianpaul> check this coming from #homecmos http://i.imgur.com/vaUXG.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Si3XY.png
2011-07-25 02:51 <kristianpaul> 21:27 < azonenberg> 20um square pixels
2011-07-25 03:00 <kristianpaul> http://i.imgur.com/uPN5h.jpg :-D
2011-07-25 03:00 <kristianpaul> rejon: look that!, homebrew cmos
2011-07-25 03:01 <rejon> huh?
2011-07-25 03:24 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: thanks a lot for helping with the news btw!
2011-07-25 03:40 <kristianpaul> phew... write take time
2011-07-25 03:43 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-07-25 03:43 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: I would have never thought :-)
2011-07-25 03:44 <wolfspraul> actually one very important reason we need to write good news is also to establish a history for our project, which you can see quite nicely at http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/News
2011-07-25 03:44 <kristianpaul> haha, now i understand you every month..
2011-07-25 03:44 <wolfspraul> yes it's terribly time consuming
2011-07-25 03:45 <wolfspraul> especially to verify the facts, to find good reference URLs, and to write a short and readable headline
2011-07-25 03:45 <wolfspraul> oh, and to find nice pictures or even videos ideally
2011-07-25 03:45 <wolfspraul> to clarify their license, convert or upload them into the wiki, and finally embed :-)
2011-07-25 03:45 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: it's very important that we spend some time on really good reference URLs
2011-07-25 03:46 <wolfspraul> so the news can serve as a starting point to many other related projects, ideas, plans, success stories, failure stories, etc.
2011-07-25 03:46 <wolfspraul> easier said than done though ;-) So I'm seriously happy that you help!
2011-07-25 03:46 <kristianpaul> btw namuru core is stabilized now in milkymist, i'm working on port or write a basic algorythm to get telemtry from sige..
2011-07-25 03:46 <wolfspraul> you should post some things about that too
2011-07-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> k
2011-07-25 03:47 <wolfspraul> I don't think namuru or osgps were _ever_ mentioned in the news
2011-07-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> hum...
2011-07-25 03:47 <wolfspraul> but even those names, the URLs to their homepages, and what this is is good news and very important for copyleft hardware
2011-07-25 03:47 <wolfspraul> you agree?
2011-07-25 03:47 <kristianpaul> yes
2011-07-25 03:48 <wolfspraul> because we don't want to have a news item one day "super great Openstreetmap contributor device available in shop soandso for xx USD"
2011-07-25 03:48 <kristianpaul> okay will that tomorrow at lunch, also document a bit how integratio was made...
2011-07-25 03:48 <wolfspraul> and a link to a zip file containing Eagle schematics :-)
2011-07-25 03:48 <kristianpaul> i have lot of private mails, need to be converted in proper pages..
2011-07-25 03:48 <wolfspraul> don't try to move it to the 'one big cleanup and documentation day', because that day will never come
2011-07-25 03:48 <kristianpaul> no no
2011-07-25 03:49 <wolfspraul> so instead, throw little snippets at clueless followers like us, for our enlightenment :-)
2011-07-25 03:49 <kristianpaul> hhah
2011-07-25 03:49 <wolfspraul> the news format also forces you to think like that, to extract one tidbit/headline
2011-07-25 03:49 <kristianpaul> if you said so,
2011-07-25 03:50 <wolfspraul> well it's not easy, you need to extract the news and think how to explain it to others. just as you said it's hard to write those news posts...
2011-07-25 03:50 <wolfspraul> but that's necessary if we want to pull people into the process, not just have them admire the results
2011-07-25 03:50 <kristianpaul> (snippets) well, seems osgps move the code for "driving" the gp2021-like chip to a linux module... i'll start checking that...
2011-07-25 03:51 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: so I think even somethnig like this would be great: 'Kristian Paul discovered the namuru GPS ... which may help in his free stack. [url] [url]'
2011-07-25 03:52 <wolfspraul> because that provides entry/followup points for curious folks
2011-07-25 03:53 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: here's werner's unbeatable quote "Create opportunities to join and actively seek participation"
2011-07-25 03:53 <kristianpaul> dicovered... well... not that i liked too much
2011-07-25 03:53 <wolfspraul> that's what such a news item helps with
2011-07-25 03:53 <wolfspraul> well sure, but post those snippets so we can follow...
2011-07-25 03:53 <kristianpaul> i mean no discover it, because i actually was told about it at first place
2011-07-25 03:54 <kristianpaul> post snippets where? (i get a bit confused)
2011-07-25 03:54 <kristianpaul> s/get/got
2011-07-25 03:55 <kristianpaul> correct place for snippets is ML i think
2011-07-25 03:55 <kristianpaul> ahm, you mean news..
2011-07-25 04:07 <wolfspraul> yes, news item
2011-07-25 04:07 <wolfspraul> just add a * reminder
2011-07-25 04:07 <wolfspraul> at the month's end, we can decide whether to remove it or to write it nicely with source URL, picture, etc.
2011-07-25 04:08 <wolfspraul> kristianpaul: maybe you were 'told' about namuru, but that still means you 'discovered' it, no? :-) You can use 'told' if you like that better, I picked 'discover' because it sounds more exciting (to me)...
2011-07-25 04:10 <kristianpaul> under milkymist right?
2011-07-25 04:10 <kristianpaul> well, of course xD run on ir..
2011-07-25 04:12 <akiwiguy> I just realized something - I'm at the top of the userlist :P 
2011-07-25 04:13 <kristianpaul> hum?
2011-07-25 04:14 <wolfspraul> akiwiguy: that's cool!
2011-07-25 04:14 <wolfspraul> rejon: you didn't understand that cat picture?
2011-07-25 04:15 <akiwiguy> :D 
2011-07-25 04:15 <wolfspraul> it's Andrew's DIY semiconductor lab
2011-07-25 04:15 <akiwiguy> Darnit I need $99usd
2011-07-25 04:15 <wolfspraul> first goal is (or was) to replicate the Intel 4004 in his lab
2011-07-25 04:15 <wolfspraul> akiwiguy: to buy a NanoNote!?
2011-07-25 04:16 <akiwiguy> I still haven't managed to get enough money for my nanonote - it's been like 6 months of saving
2011-07-25 04:16 <akiwiguy> wolfspraul: :D Orc
2011-07-25 04:16 <akiwiguy> Of course*
2011-07-25 04:16 <akiwiguy> Darn autocorrect.
2011-07-25 04:17 <akiwiguy> If I had a nanonote it would be using Ben-wpan and dirtpan and I would be using irssi on that
2011-07-25 04:17 <akiwiguy> Instead of having to use an iPad.
2011-07-25 04:17 <wolfspraul> aha, the bot showed who's in charge here...
2011-07-25 04:18 <akiwiguy> xD
2011-07-25 04:18 <wolfspraul> akiwiguy: you save as hard as we work on this thing, at least that's a match already :-)
2011-07-25 04:18 <akiwiguy> :D
2011-07-25 04:18 <akiwiguy> Does the nanonote have a working python port?
2011-07-25 04:18 <wolfspraul> I'm pretty sure it does
2011-07-25 04:19 <akiwiguy> Cool, then I can use it as a Na'vi on-the-go translator too :D
2011-07-25 04:19 <wolfspraul> I saw xiangfu mentioning some python bug when testing the latest image, but that will be fixed for sure.
2011-07-25 04:20 <wolfspraul> and in the current official image I would be surprised if it didn't work
2011-07-25 04:23 <akiwiguy> Ugh.
2011-07-25 04:26 <akiwiguy> I hate being in New Zealand. Shipping here is expensive, exchange rates, etc.
2011-07-25 04:27 <akiwiguy> And being 14 makes it even worse because I can't get a job so I have to rely on my parents for money
2011-07-25 04:32 <wolfspraul> akiwiguy: do you have a strong Linux/free software scene you are part of there? any lugs?
2011-07-25 04:33 <wolfspraul> any places you think could be interested in the Milkymist One video synthesizer (that thing is even more expensive thought at 499 USD)
2011-07-25 04:33 <wolfspraul> I remember there was one pretty cool blog I followed for a while, out of New Zealand. One sec...
2011-07-25 04:35 <wolfspraul> ah yes, Michael from http://seabright.co.nz/blog/
2011-07-25 04:39 <akiwiguy> wolfspraul: I'm a member of 2 lugs
2011-07-25 04:43 <akiwiguy> But i don't know if there would be that much interest in MM1
2011-07-25 04:43 <wolfspraul> akiwiguy: nice! Get some of the members there to help us with NanoNote hacking, or Linux on Milkymist One.
2011-07-25 04:43 <wolfspraul> it depends on how you look at it [m1]
2011-07-25 04:43 <akiwiguy> It's a nice device
2011-07-25 04:43 <wolfspraul> first we focus on making a great video synthesizer, but you can also see it as a general purpose computing platform
2011-07-25 04:43 <akiwiguy> The SoC seems like a great platform
2011-07-25 04:43 <akiwiguy>  
2011-07-25 04:44 <wolfspraul> there's a lot missing to go in that direction, but good Linux (kernel) hackers could help a lot to fulfill this dream
2011-07-25 04:44 <wolfspraul> that's why I think a LUG may still be a good place to bring it up and discuss it, even if it only generates a few more leads or blog posts/tweets.
2011-07-25 04:45 <akiwiguy> I could bring it up on the lug's irc channel
2011-07-25 04:45 <wolfspraul> the same is true for ben-wpan of course, it doesn't even need a NanoNote since you can see it from a notebook (USB) perspective only if you like
2011-07-25 04:45 <wolfspraul> well we need to spread the word, for sure :-)
2011-07-25 04:46 <wolfspraul> same thing about ben-wpan - great opportunity for significant progress in the Linux kernel
2011-07-25 05:12 <kristianpaul> had any one here code something to the ISA bus?
2011-07-25 05:15 <roh> ola
2011-07-25 05:15 <larsc> ISA was long before my time
2011-07-25 05:15 <roh> finished the first 3 buttons!!1! ;)
2011-07-25 05:15 <roh> kristianpaul: yes. sure.
2011-07-25 05:15 <roh> inb/outb
2011-07-25 05:16 <roh> see parport programming documentation.. it only changed addresses and access methods when it became pci
2011-07-25 05:17 <roh> pci is usually mmio (map some address, do read/write there)
2011-07-25 05:17 <rjeffries> tuxbrain this will be of interest to you, as you were looking for Arduino that might be able to talk to wpwrak ATVen ATusb
2011-07-25 05:17 <rjeffries> https://github.com/maniacbug/contiki-avr-zigduino/wiki
2011-07-25 05:17 <roh> isa usually pio
2011-07-25 05:17 <kristianpaul> ah, same as parallel port, nice
2011-07-25 05:18 <wolfspraul> rjeffries: you were looking for me the other day. What can I do for you?
2011-07-25 05:18 <rjeffries> Zigduion is about $70 that includes teh radio
2011-07-25 05:18 <rjeffries> wolfspraul I was only saying "hi"
2011-07-25 05:18 <wolfspraul> and I thought you wanted to order your Ben finally... oh well :-)
2011-07-25 05:18 <kristianpaul> ;-)
2011-07-25 05:19 <rjeffries> oh, and I see you may need an "armchair General." reporting as ordered, Sir
2011-07-25 05:19 <rjeffries> ;)
2011-07-25 05:30 <roh> wishes for a fast xyz robot with a vacuum-gripper and some easy to train ocr to do the 'glueing'
2011-07-25 05:31 <roh> one would still need to peel off tape etc, but the nasty part could be automatized
2011-07-25 05:36 <rjeffries> wpwrak i've been busy elsewhere, so have not folowed recent ATben ATusb news. I think Ben to Ben is working with DirtPan. How about ATusb to ATben or ATusb to ATusb?
2011-07-25 05:39 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-07242011-0213/
2011-07-25 08:04 <wpwrak> rjeffries has this maddening habit of firing off some questions and then disconnecting instants after ...
2011-07-25 08:05 <akiwiguy> Lol
2011-07-25 08:22 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: did you see this one ? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/BGH-Nutzung-fremder-Marken-im-Rahmen-von-Adword-Werbung-ist-zulaessig-1284660.html
2011-07-25 08:23 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: maybe they're getting a bit more relaxed about trademarks :)
2011-07-25 10:08 <qi-bot> [commit] Ayla: Create the "sections" user directory if required, when creating a new link. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/4636a84
2011-07-25 10:41 <kristianpaul> (pci mmio) hum this is harmfurlly interesting :-)
2011-07-25 10:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: pkgology/1g-monadic: additional package for single-input 1G chips (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/2054148
2011-07-25 10:58 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: m1/rc3/gates/rst.sch: removed R60, fixed right-hand circuit, added titles (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/282e447
2011-07-25 11:05 <kristianpaul> one of the nice things about getting early from bed, is watch the dawn :)
2011-07-25 11:11 <kodein> that is mostly impossible for me most of the year, either dawn is way too early, or it's a few hours into regular working hours
2011-07-25 13:02 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: thinking of your ya "tablet" design. there may be a way to combine this with a keyboard. the keyboard could be made quite thin and then could go as a cover on the screen. it would need some swivel-and-slide mechanism to position it partially under the screen, to prevent the ya from falling over even worse than the ben. that part may be tricky.
2011-07-25 13:03 <wpwrak> this would combine the simplicity of a tablet design with still having a keyboard
2011-07-25 13:04 <Ayla> what about an on-screen keyboard?
2011-07-25 13:04 <Ayla> keep it smart and simple...
2011-07-25 13:09 <wpwrak> Ayla: and inconvenient to use :)
2011-07-25 13:10 <Ayla> a real keyboard would higher a lot the price
2011-07-25 13:10 <Ayla> s/higher/raise
2011-07-25 13:10 <wpwrak> Ayla: there is some research into making on-screen keyboards with tactile feedback, but they're still not even at the point of having useful lab prototypes
2011-07-25 13:10 <wpwrak> Ayla: dunno if it would add all that much to the cost
2011-07-25 13:11 <Ayla> well, it would at least increase the complexity of the device
2011-07-25 13:11 <wpwrak> that it would
2011-07-25 13:11 <wpwrak> but what other choices do you have if you want a keyboard ?
2011-07-25 13:12 <Ayla> separate wireless keyboard? :)
2011-07-25 13:12 <Ayla> and on-screen keyboard for extreme mobility
2011-07-25 13:33 <wolfspraul> sounds complicate [keyboard ideas]
2011-07-25 13:33 <wolfspraul> complicate
2011-07-25 13:33 <wolfspraul> complicateD
2011-07-25 13:33 <wolfspraul> :-)
2011-07-25 13:51 <Ayla> I'm looking for a small a cheap FPGA board, do you have any advices?
2011-07-25 13:53 <wolfspraul> avnet xilinx dev boards?
2011-07-25 13:54 <wolfspraul> but don't come to me with software support questions, ask the avnet guys they get enough money from xilinx :-)
2011-07-25 13:54 <wolfspraul> Ayla: what do you want to do with the board?
2011-07-25 13:55 <Ayla> some digital signal conversion
2011-07-25 13:55 <Ayla> I was thinking of something like this: http://www.xess.com/prods/prod047.php
2011-07-25 13:57 <wolfspraul> I have no overview at all over 'cheap fpga boards', I gave you the only thing I know :-) (avnet)
2011-07-25 13:58 <wolfspraul> looks nice!
2011-07-25 13:58 <wolfspraul> I like the fact that they seem to be doing this independently, cool.
2011-07-25 13:59 <wolfspraul> if you get it, keep us posted
2011-07-25 14:00 <wolfspraul> you are very welcome to use the Qi projects server for your digital signal conversion sources, if you like
2011-07-25 14:00 <wolfspraul> calling it a day, n8
2011-07-25 14:08 <Ayla> meh, disconnected...
2011-07-25 14:09 <Ayla> 15:55 < Ayla> some digital signal conversion
2011-07-25 14:09 <Ayla> 15:55 < Ayla> I was thinking of something like this: http://www.xess.com/prods/prod047.php
2011-07-25 16:15 <wpwrak> Ayla: that board looks very nice indeed. and it's even copyleft hardware :)
2011-07-25 16:15 <wpwrak> Ayla: of course, a far cry from what the M1's FPGA can do.
2011-07-25 16:20 <Ayla> wpwrak, my project is to connect various controllers on my dreamcast's maple bus
2011-07-25 16:20 <Ayla> like SNES or megadrive controllers
2011-07-25 16:20 <Ayla> that's mostly to teach myself FPGAs
2011-07-25 16:21 <Ayla> the bus has a 2Mbps throughput, I believe that this board is strong enough to handle this
2011-07-25 21:53 <qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Removed wallpaper images of which the size did not match the resolution there were used at. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b5698e8
2011-07-25 21:55 <mth> by the way, does it make sense to have wallpapers as part of a skin?
2011-07-25 21:56 <mth> I can imagine a skin might include a wallpaper designed to go well with it, but all existing wallpapers are not related to any particular skin, it seems
2011-07-25 22:07 <mth> Ayla: you missed this when you got disconnected:
2011-07-25 22:07 <mth> [23:57] <mth> by the way, does it make sense to have wallpapers as part of a skin?
2011-07-25 22:07 <mth> [23:58] <mth> I can imagine a skin might include a wallpaper designed to go well with it, but all existing wallpapers are not related to any particular skin, it seems
2011-07-25 22:08 <Ayla> mth: the "wallpapers" menu lists all the wallpapers of the skin, plus all the wallpapers from the Default skin
2011-07-25 22:09 <Ayla> from either the system directory or the user directory
2011-07-25 22:10 <Ayla> so if you have general wallpapers unrelated to the skin, put them on the "wallpapers" dir of the Default skin 
2011-07-25 22:15 <mth> I guess that works, but it feels a bit weird
2011-07-25 22:19 <Ayla> I coult make a "wallpapers" directory directly on .gmenu2x, and make a symlink to it on the Default skin directory
2011-07-25 22:19 <Ayla> could*
2011-07-25 22:26 <mth> symlinks don't work on vfat though and many people use vfat on SD cards
2011-07-25 22:27 <Ayla> ah, right
2011-07-25 22:28 <Ayla> in that case, I can't think of a smart way of doing this