2011-07-02 00:39 <Tesseract> nevermind that last question
2011-07-02 01:11 <qi-bot> The build was successfull, see images here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/compile-log/openwrt-xburst.full_system-06302011-2121/
2011-07-02 01:51 <wolfspraul> good morning everybody
2011-07-02 02:48 <Tesseract> morning
2011-07-02 02:49 <wolfspraul> Tesseract: morning :-)
2011-07-02 02:50 <Tesseract> you wouldnt have a spare moment? having slight trouble getting my ben nanonote to co-operate
2011-07-02 02:52 <Tesseract> after following the format data partition guide on the wiki, i still only have 460mb in my rootfs partition
2011-07-02 03:05 <wolfspraul> the partitions are hard-coded in the kernel
2011-07-02 03:06 <wolfspraul> so if you want one large rootfs, you have to make a change there and rebuild the kernel
2011-07-02 03:06 <wolfspraul> I'm not exactly sure what you want to achieve and which exact steps you followed though.
2011-07-02 03:07 <Tesseract> hell, i'd settle for another partition for data, I just cant see it after doing all those steps on the wiki
2011-07-02 03:07 <Tesseract> the steps are here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Format_Data_Partition
2011-07-02 03:07 <wolfspraul> which steps? (url?)
2011-07-02 03:07 <Tesseract> one step ahead :D
2011-07-02 03:08 <wolfspraul> and where does it fail? can you mount the partition?
2011-07-02 03:08 <wolfspraul> I think we have a little helper script/command now somewhere to mount it, I don't see that reference on this wiki page
2011-07-02 03:09 <wolfspraul> but the steps on the wiki page should work
2011-07-02 03:09 <wolfspraul> at the end you mount your 1.5gb data partition on /data
2011-07-02 03:09 <wolfspraul> (if you follow those steps)
2011-07-02 03:10 <Tesseract> I do have a folder on root called "data" but when I check the partitions (df -h) I cant see it/
2011-07-02 03:11 <wolfspraul> are you following that wiki page?
2011-07-02 03:11 <wolfspraul> at which step are you?
2011-07-02 03:11 <wolfspraul> there are steps 1-5
2011-07-02 03:11 <Tesseract> yes, and then the ones to make it work at statup
2011-07-02 03:11 <Tesseract> I've put them all in
2011-07-02 03:12 <wolfspraul> the startup stuff was improved many times, the wiki instructions may be outdated
2011-07-02 03:12 <wolfspraul> so you think you formatted the data partition?
2011-07-02 03:12 <wolfspraul> when you did a manual mount (step 5), did it work?
2011-07-02 03:13 <Tesseract> diddnt check
2011-07-02 03:13 <wolfspraul> first step - format the data partition (actually should have come from the factory like that)
2011-07-02 03:13 <Tesseract> *facepalm* checking now
2011-07-02 03:13 <wolfspraul> second step - try a manual mount
2011-07-02 03:13 <wolfspraul> third step - setup easiest way to automount on boot
2011-07-02 03:13 <wolfspraul> for the third step, I'm not sure, hopefully someone else knows the latest best way...
2011-07-02 03:16 <Tesseract> http://pastebin.com/B8GtGdP0
2011-07-02 03:17 <Tesseract> there's the result of a manual mount
2011-07-02 03:22 <wolfspraul> the mount gives you no output at all?
2011-07-02 03:23 <wolfspraul> maybe try mount -v (verbose)
2011-07-02 03:23 <wolfspraul> which software version do you have on your ben (cat /etc/VERSION)?
2011-07-02 03:25 <Tesseract> 2011-5-28 and I still dont get any output off the command (mount -t ubifs ubi1:data /data/ -v)
2011-07-02 03:25 <wolfspraul> or you just wait until we cleanup this mess and it works well out of the box :-)
2011-07-02 03:25 <Tesseract> lol
2011-07-02 03:26 <Tesseract> the new version apparently comes out some time in 2012
2011-07-02 03:26 <wolfspraul> which new version?
2011-07-02 03:26 <Tesseract> if you can clean this up by then, I'll be impressed
2011-07-02 03:26 <Tesseract> the ben nanonote is only the first in the nanonote series
2011-07-02 03:26 <wolfspraul> oh don't worry, we have been pretty good at improving the Ben software over the last 1.5 years. I think that's fair to say.
2011-07-02 03:27 <Tesseract> there's a new one (the yi if i remember correctly) coming out next year.
2011-07-02 03:27 <Tesseract> true
2011-07-02 03:27 <wolfspraul> I'm sorry that the data partition causes you some headache now.
2011-07-02 03:27 <wolfspraul> I want all this to work out of the box, but there are conflicting goals so we have been a little slow
2011-07-02 03:27 <Tesseract> I got the nanonote for the challange. wouldnt be worth it if it worked nicely
2011-07-02 03:27 <wolfspraul> for one we may want to enable dual-booting with Jlime
2011-07-02 03:28 <wolfspraul> then we are thinking how we can offer a usb-storage mode for file transfers
2011-07-02 03:28 <wolfspraul> and encrypted partitions
2011-07-02 03:28 <Tesseract> usb file transfers are easy enough already
2011-07-02 03:28 <wolfspraul> all of this ties back into the partitioning and choice of file systems, and we haven't found the golden middle path yet
2011-07-02 03:29 <Tesseract> dualbooting, awesome. usb-storage, unnecissary but awesome. encrypted partitions, if someone knows how to work the nanonote, they deserve my data.
2011-07-02 03:30 <wolfspraul> Tesseract: you can wait a little until xiangfu is back online, he may have some magic ideas to get your data partition up
2011-07-02 03:30 <wolfspraul> I hope you didn't follow that wiki page too closely, especially the section on auto-mounting at boot time - it may be outdated
2011-07-02 03:31 <wolfspraul> yeah, the bulk of the page was written in April 2010 :-)
2011-07-02 03:31 <Tesseract> bugger
2011-07-02 03:32 <wolfspraul> unfortunately deleting content in a wiki is hard, because nobody dares to make the decision that something has been superseded entirely
2011-07-02 03:32 <wolfspraul> there may still be some corner cases where the old information may be useful (is the thinking)
2011-07-02 03:32 <wolfspraul> so stuff just gets layered on top of each other, not good, unfortunately
2011-07-02 03:33 <Tesseract> we need a wiki archive for that sort of info
2011-07-02 03:34 <wolfspraul> there seems to be a utility mtd.nn
2011-07-02 03:34 <wolfspraul> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/OpenWrt_Software_Image#Change_Log
2011-07-02 03:35 <wolfspraul> and commands like format_data_default and mount data /data
2011-07-02 03:35 <wolfspraul> sounds like it could be what you need
2011-07-02 03:37 <Tesseract> could be. I've been using linux for all of 3 days so this doesn't make too much sense
2011-07-02 03:39 <Tesseract> sudo, echo, cat, grep, ls, cd and ifconfig are my current repertoire.
2011-07-02 03:44 <wolfspraul> I hope that doesn't get too boring, there are many useful apps too, check http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications
2011-07-02 03:57 <rjeffries> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13588168/papilio-fpga-shield-for-arduino  coolproject
2011-07-02 03:59 <rjeffries> as is this board http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/seeeduino-adk-main-board-p-846.html
2011-07-02 05:14 <kyak> Tesseract: if using the latest image, mounting the data partition should be as easy as "mtd.nn format_data_default; mtd.nn mount data /data" (for the first time)
2011-07-02 05:14 <kyak> after that, just "mtd.nn mount data /data"
2011-07-02 05:15 <kyak> you can also add thi line to /etc/init.d/start
2011-07-02 05:16 <wolfspraul> kyak: since he went through the steps from the old wiki page - if he has no data on the Ben yet, the best may be to start over with a full reflash?
2011-07-02 05:17 <Tesseract> heh, just did one
2011-07-02 05:17 <Tesseract> oh well
2011-07-02 05:17 <kyak> wolfspraul: i assumed he has just did the full reflash 
2011-07-02 05:21 <Tesseract> running reflash_ben.sh
2011-07-02 05:21 <Tesseract> now for the 20 min wait
2011-07-02 05:22 <kyak> Tesseract: just to confirm, are you reflashing all bootloader, kernel and rootfs?
2011-07-02 05:23 <Tesseract> everything currently
2011-07-02 05:28 <Tesseract> oh, is the data partition already 1.4Gb in size after reflashing?
2011-07-02 05:28 <Tesseract> only requiring mounting?
2011-07-02 05:29 <kyak> nope, you need to format it for the first time
2011-07-02 05:29 <Tesseract> hmm, this should go up on the wiki if it works.
2011-07-02 05:29 <kyak> then you shouldn't ever format it again (unless rootfs size changes)
2011-07-02 06:08 <Tesseract> kyak: on that first command you sent me, it throws up the error: "cannot attach mtd3 (file exists)"
2011-07-02 06:08 <Tesseract> hmm, perhapse i delete the /data directory and retry
2011-07-02 06:09 <wolfspraul> don't delete the /data directory
2011-07-02 06:09 <wolfspraul> the existance of that directory is completely unrelated to mtd3 or any of the ubi stuff. however, you need the /data directory as a mount point.
2011-07-02 06:11 <Tesseract> i'm assuming it still mounted to that directory, as i cant seem to delete it anyway
2011-07-02 06:12 <kyak> what does 'mount' show?
2011-07-02 06:14 <Tesseract> df -h shows it's mounted
2011-07-02 06:14 <kyak> and the size is..?
2011-07-02 06:14 <Tesseract> 1.3Gb
2011-07-02 06:14 <kyak> all right then
2011-07-02 06:14 <Tesseract> sorry, 1.4
2011-07-02 06:14 <Tesseract> a resounding success
2011-07-02 06:15 <kyak> now you should add the mount command to your /etc/init.d/start
2011-07-02 06:15 <wolfspraul> Tesseract: congratulations!
2011-07-02 06:16 <Tesseract> echo "mtd.nn mount data /data" > /etc/init.d/start . should work to put it in the start file?
2011-07-02 06:18 <Tesseract> and thanks a heap for getting the data partition to co-operate!
2011-07-02 06:25 <kyak> better edit the /etc/init.d/start manually, as it has things there
2011-07-02 06:27 <kyak> oh, there is no /etc/init.d/start by default.. you could have a look into /etc/init.d/ben-nanonote and put your command there
2011-07-02 06:28 <kyak> in the start() function
2011-07-02 06:40 <Tesseract> done
2011-07-02 06:43 <Tesseract> and it works on reboot
2011-07-02 06:53 <Tesseract> however, in the same function, ifconfig usb0 192.168.3.2 doesn't work
2011-07-02 06:53 <Tesseract> oh well
2011-07-02 06:55 <kyak> don't do that in start scripts
2011-07-02 06:56 <kyak> have a look into /etc/config/network
2011-07-02 11:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: pem, tool to help you keep track of your personal income and expenses (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/46fbba1
2011-07-02 11:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote-files, configu.full_system include svn (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6341d4c
2011-07-02 12:11 <wpwrak> damn google !
2011-07-02 12:11 <wpwrak> they tried to poison us
2011-07-02 12:13 <wpwrak> too many bloody caipirinhas
2011-07-02 15:55 <RON_> wpwrak what have you heard from people who have received atben from our VERY seldom-seen tuxbrain friend?
2011-07-02 15:55 <RON_> wolspraul have you recieved your tuxbrain atben atusb order?
2011-07-02 20:20 <lekernel> "bluetooth support for the pulseaudio sound server". what the heck is that?!
2011-07-02 20:23 <viric> lekernel: it's the 21th century on electronics and free software
2011-07-02 20:23 <viric> did you just wake up from consoles, sound blasters, and 80386 personal computers running linux 1.0? :)
2011-07-02 20:24 <viric> Because you are going to get bad surprises
2011-07-02 20:24 <viric> *21st* :)
2011-07-02 20:25 <lekernel> so in the 21st century, we are supposed to have audio clicks and various sound breakages and bugs when you are playing audio from two applications simultaneously with pukeaudio?
2011-07-02 20:25 <lekernel> not to mention that when pukeaudio output is enabled in mplayer, I cannot smoothly play videos anymore
2011-07-02 20:26 <viric> lekernel: ah, you should get newer hardware
2011-07-02 20:26 <lekernel> there is a small hiccup every 2 seconds or so
2011-07-02 20:26 <viric> it's an indicator of obsolescence.
2011-07-02 20:26 <lekernel> oh, all these things worked perfectly with alsa
2011-07-02 20:26 <viric> that's so outdated!
2011-07-02 20:26 <lekernel> also, when playing said videos, the cpu usage isn't high
2011-07-02 20:26 <lekernel> it's just all pukeaudio bugs
2011-07-02 20:27 <zear> i don't like pulseaudio either. Latest gdm update forced me to install pulseaudio and since this i have lots of audio problems
2011-07-02 20:27 <lekernel> but there is bluetooth support. yay!
2011-07-02 20:27 <lekernel> yeah same here, fedora and gnome3 forces it on everyone
2011-07-02 20:29 <viric> people gets strong links with the past; the enforcement is for your wellfare and safety
2011-07-02 20:30 <lekernel> also I cannot see the point of playing your audio on a remote machine ... never had a need for that
2011-07-02 20:30 <viric> and for a subset of use cases, pulseaudio has been proven to move some bytes to some place better than other solutions.
2011-07-02 20:30 <lekernel> same for those stupid x11 redirects that never work and serve as a catch-all excuse for x11 problems... do you see a pattern here?
2011-07-02 20:31 <viric> that sounds like 'flexibility' and 'modularity'
2011-07-02 20:32 <lekernel> i don't have any "strong link" with the past, but I do enjoy audio that just works out of the box without having to type "killall -9 pulseaudio" every hour or so
2011-07-02 20:32 <lekernel> alsa was closer to that than pukeaudio
2011-07-02 20:33 <lekernel> first there was x11, now pukeaudio... i'll end up buying a mac if that trend continues
2011-07-02 20:34 <lekernel> at least apple got the UI and audio right
2011-07-02 20:40 <viric> :)
2011-07-02 20:41 <viric> Some try to achieve what apple achieved, but with another software license.
2011-07-02 20:43 <lekernel> if only the pulseaudio people would focus on getting it to _work_ on the local machine before implementing weird and often useless feature like bluetooth and tcp/ip ...
2011-07-02 20:44 <lekernel> it's really creating tons of problems on my machine because of its bugs
2011-07-02 20:45 <viric> :)
2011-07-02 20:45 <viric> the world advances at giant steps.
2011-07-02 20:45 <viric> And you alone will be able to slow it down only a little :)
2011-07-02 20:46 <lekernel> phew
2011-07-02 20:46 <lekernel> i'm by far not the only one who complains about pulseaudio bugs. there are so many...
2011-07-02 20:46 <viric> I'm just seeing a project about scanning bloggers in 3d.
2011-07-02 20:46 <viric> lekernel: I personally keep out it :)
2011-07-02 23:36 <rjeffries> do we have report sof people receiving atben radio boards (likewise atusb boards) and people getting them up and running
2011-07-02 23:36 <rjeffries> Ben to Ben seems to be doable.
2011-07-02 23:36 <rjeffries> Wolfgang did you get your order from David at Tuxbrain?