2011-07-01 03:06 <kristianpaul> just got some bitbills
2011-07-01 03:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: new package: Tempest for Eliza is a Program that uses your computer monitor to send out AM radio signals. (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f3afa7c
2011-07-01 04:47 <Tesseract> Morning everyone
2011-07-01 04:48 <Tesseract> anyone here?
2011-07-01 04:55 <kristianpaul> hi
2011-07-01 04:55 <kristianpaul> evening here 23:55
2011-07-01 05:33 <Tesseract> hello?
2011-07-01 05:38 <kristianpaul> hey :)
2011-07-01 05:43 <Tesseract> finally
2011-07-01 05:43 <Tesseract> lol
2011-07-01 06:01 <kristianpaul> ahhh, i knew osgps just work with real data
2011-07-01 06:01 <kristianpaul> well i wasnt sure at all, but Clifford Kelley just confirmed 
2011-07-01 06:25 <Tesseract> can i get some help? when trying to get ethernet over usb for the nanonote, when i punch in ifconfig usb0, it says device not found
2011-07-01 06:25 <Tesseract> Not good.
2011-07-01 06:28 <kyak> ifconfig -a
2011-07-01 06:29 <kyak> it might be that some udev smartness renamed it to usb1,2.. etc
2011-07-01 06:42 <Tesseract> it gives the same as before
2011-07-01 06:42 <Tesseract> eth0, lo and wlan0
2011-07-01 06:50 <Tesseract> any ideas?
2011-07-01 06:53 <kyak> when you plug in Ben, do you see it appear in dmesg?
2011-07-01 06:53 <kyak> also, what does lsusb show?
2011-07-01 06:53 <Tesseract> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:53 <Tesseract> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 006 Device 002: ID 1532:001c Razer USA, Ltd 
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 0a5c:2145 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth with Enhanced Data Rate II
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08ff:2810 AuthenTec, Inc. AES2810
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 1532:010b Razer USA, Ltd 
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 17ef:480c Lenovo 
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
2011-07-01 06:54 <Tesseract> and whats dmesg?
2011-07-01 06:54 <kyak> please, use some pastebin service...
2011-07-01 06:55 <kyak> and try pluggin Ben to some other usb port
2011-07-01 06:57 <Tesseract> and it appeared for no apparent reason
2011-07-01 06:57 <Tesseract> wierd
2011-07-01 06:57 <Tesseract> thankyou
2011-07-01 06:57 <kyak> after plugin to another port?
2011-07-01 06:57 <Tesseract> yes
2011-07-01 06:57 <kyak> remember this port well :)
2011-07-01 06:57 <Tesseract> must be an internal hub or somthing
2011-07-01 06:57 <kyak> yeah
2011-07-01 06:58 <kyak> you might as well document this port in Ethernet over USB wiki page :)
2011-07-01 07:00 <Tesseract> might aswell, under the Issue heading.
2011-07-01 07:35 <Tesseract> new problem, on the nanonote: "ipkg update" is trying to get a file that doesn't exist anymore.
2011-07-01 07:36 <Tesseract> an update will probably fix that though
2011-07-01 07:37 <Tesseract> flash*
2011-07-01 07:38 <kyak> flashing to the latest version is always a good idea
2011-07-01 07:39 <kyak> opgk update should fetch the Package.gz fine in any case.. check the /etc/opkg.conf
2011-07-01 07:39 <Tesseract> except when your about to break your internet cap >.<
2011-07-01 07:39 <kyak> how is that?
2011-07-01 07:40 <Tesseract> I'm located in australia and I have a 40gb on-peak and 40gb off-peak cap
2011-07-01 07:40 <kyak> ah, fetching an image is a problem? :)
2011-07-01 07:40 <kyak> the rootfs size when compressed is ~150 Mb
2011-07-01 07:41 <kyak> that's approximately how much you will need to download
2011-07-01 07:41 <Tesseract> i'll get up early tomorrow and try and download it in off-peak.
2011-07-01 07:42 <Tesseract> thanks again for your help
2011-07-01 07:42 <kyak> np
2011-07-01 07:42 <kyak> btw, what is your current version? (cat /etc/VERSION)
2011-07-01 07:52 <Tesseract> 2010-9-14
2011-07-01 07:54 <kyak> that's so old :)
2011-07-01 07:55 <Tesseract> nothing but a dictionary, map viewer and terminal
2011-07-01 08:42 <Tesseract> out of curiosity, what do you guys use the nanonote for?
2011-07-01 08:58 <kyak> Tesseract: you might want to have a look here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_use_cases
2011-07-01 08:59 <kyak> and here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Applications (taking that each Application is a use case)
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] nbd: ath5k: add a missing srev checks for code that lowers the synth voltage - might fix some stability issues (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ff655ea
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [toolchain/gcc]: upgrade the linaro gcc to 2011.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/98d589f
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [target/generic/3.0]: add missing kernel symbols (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7437ee4
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kaloz: [cns3xxx]: preliminary 3.0 support (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/5bdb3e2
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Mirko Vogt: add <http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/software/mirror-openwrt-sources/> (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/ae87489
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/463d311
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: [xburst] Improve mounttime (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/06082c3
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: nanonote optimize (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7d51ed2
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add kernel patch for setfont2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/bd76150
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: optimize for ben nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/03e88c4
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable battery, disable RNDIS (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/93468b3
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: patches-2.6.37: support for Ben NAND partitioning (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/52fee50
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] David Kühling: linux kernel: add CONFIG_PROC_PAGE_MONITOR=y to allow for clean user-space DMA (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/63e49e9
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: config-2.6.37: enable options needed for keymouse (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/0c167dc
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: fix kernel keymap for VolUp/Down and Del (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/c6f46f9
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: build sound modules in kernel (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/7bb7d46
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: trunk: add ks7010 support patch (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/a6a4c8c
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: base-files, move it to openwrt-package/nanonote-files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/2bbcdc5
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Disable syslogd and klogd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/be5d8ed
2011-07-01 09:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu Liu: uboot-xburst: update to 2010.06 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/07798e8
2011-07-01 11:25 <wpwrak> ah, nothing like a long restful sleep :)
2011-07-01 11:25 <wpwrak> and now, the mails ...
2011-07-01 11:32 <wpwrak> grmbl. there's an open source embedded meeting at 9. waay too early
2011-07-01 11:33 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: are you already back in Buenos Aires?
2011-07-01 11:34 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: naw, staying in porto alegre until sunday
2011-07-01 11:34 <wolfspraul> ah nice
2011-07-01 11:35 <wolfspraul> somehow today it struck me that I need a lot of great online marketing material for the m1 launch, urgh
2011-07-01 11:35 <wpwrak> did you really think i'd miss out on all the drinking ? :)
2011-07-01 11:35 <wpwrak> ;-))
2011-07-01 11:35 <wolfspraul> like some tutorial video, or videos of the box in action in general
2011-07-01 11:35 <wolfspraul> oh my :-)
2011-07-01 11:35 <wpwrak> ah, speaking of which, what's the plan for the monthly news ?
2011-07-01 11:36 <wolfspraul> at least delayed by 10 days or so
2011-07-01 11:36 <wolfspraul> i'm completely swamped right now
2011-07-01 11:36 <wpwrak> also some seed videos for viral marketing
2011-07-01 11:37 <wpwrak> hmm, thinking of it, drunken brazilian girls on rejon's M1 should draw some attention :)
2011-07-01 11:37 <wolfspraul> I set myself a sales goal for when I would consider copyleft hardware a success today: 1 billion units
2011-07-01 11:37 <wpwrak> (10 days) good. i can relax then :)
2011-07-01 11:37 <wolfspraul> not that bad complacency sets in here
2011-07-01 11:38 <wpwrak> (1 billion) yeah, show those apple dweebs ! :)
2011-07-01 11:38 <wolfspraul> they will reach it before us, but who cares
2011-07-01 11:39 <wolfspraul> 1 billion is a good number
2011-07-01 11:39 <wolfspraul> if we sell less than that, we failed on impact. and free software should be powerful enough to create something useful for 1 billion users. so... that's my goal now. at least it's a precise number :-)
2011-07-01 11:40 <wpwrak> i need to get rejon to show off his M1. yesterday, he kept it a little secret
2011-07-01 11:40 <wolfspraul> why that?
2011-07-01 11:40 <wolfspraul> did you see it in action yourself yet?
2011-07-01 11:40 <wpwrak> i'd be satisfied with sustainability :)
2011-07-01 11:40 <wpwrak> nope
2011-07-01 11:40 <wolfspraul> I think his software is also a bit old
2011-07-01 11:41 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: the 1 billion is for the copyleft hardware mission statement, unrelated to our short term goals
2011-07-01 11:41 <wpwrak> does he know how to field-upgrade ?
2011-07-01 11:41 <wolfspraul> he should, we did together once or twice
2011-07-01 11:41 <wolfspraul> just plug in jtag cable, run script
2011-07-01 11:42 <wolfspraul> maybe he doesn't want to take chances since it works now
2011-07-01 11:42 <wpwrak> okay, for the whole movement. doesn't have to be qi-hw alone then
2011-07-01 11:42 <wolfspraul> yes sure
2011-07-01 11:42 <wpwrak> hmm. need to check if he brought the jtag cable
2011-07-01 11:42 <wolfspraul> that's a regular USB cable
2011-07-01 11:42 <wolfspraul> he has it all, no worries
2011-07-01 11:43 <wpwrak> will the latest sw have better effects ? or justfewer bugs and more "exotic" features ?
2011-07-01 11:43 <wolfspraul> hard to say since it's progressing everywhere
2011-07-01 11:43 <wpwrak> but jtag is also the little board, no ?
2011-07-01 11:43 <wolfspraul> yes but that's always inserted
2011-07-01 11:43 <wpwrak> ah, i see
2011-07-01 11:44 <wolfspraul> well maybe try with what's on it first
2011-07-01 11:45 <wolfspraul> but you definitely need music
2011-07-01 11:45 <wolfspraul> without music it's a very dry experience
2011-07-01 11:46 <wpwrak> do we have some good cc-by* tracks somewhere ?
2011-07-01 12:11 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: not really, the situation there is dire
2011-07-01 12:12 <wpwrak> mmh :-(
2011-07-01 12:12 <wolfspraul> you can try jamenda.com or ccmixter.org
2011-07-01 12:12 <wpwrak> should have brought my kaossilator then
2011-07-01 12:12 <wolfspraul> sorry jamendo.com
2011-07-01 12:12 <wolfspraul> but both are very flawed imho
2011-07-01 12:12 <wpwrak> could someone with faster internet access please try ? :)
2011-07-01 12:13 <wolfspraul> very bad web interface, bad browsing, bad players, bad ranking/rating, bad for exploring new things, bad for downloading, lots of -nc and -nd and other restrictions mixed in with the free stuff
2011-07-01 12:13 <wpwrak> bad interface = ideal with slow links and small screens :)
2011-07-01 12:13 <wolfspraul> if an itunes product manager is ever accidentally lost on those websites, he will cry badly
2011-07-01 12:14 <wolfspraul> but that's the best I know, and if there were better ones Jon would have told me. he knows the situation best (but I'm sure for the most part he agrees with my assessment)
2011-07-01 12:15 <wolfspraul> there's classical music on wikimedia commons
2011-07-01 12:15 <wpwrak> well, if someone could find 1-2 decent tracks, that would help
2011-07-01 12:16 <wolfspraul> how slow is slow? http://dig.ccmixter.org/dig?dig-lic=safe
2011-07-01 12:16 <wolfspraul> can you go there?
2011-07-01 12:16 <wolfspraul> let me find something...
2011-07-01 12:16 <wpwrak> (classical) may be tricky to re-interpret this for M1 effects
2011-07-01 12:17 <wpwrak> slow = foraging isn't much fun
2011-07-01 12:17 <wolfspraul> http://ccmixter.org/content/George_Ellinas/George_Ellinas_-_Mine_Yours_Ours.mp3
2011-07-01 12:17 <wolfspraul> cc-by
2011-07-01 12:22 <wpwrak> downloading ...
2011-07-01 12:22 <wpwrak> the wlan here would be faster with wpan :)
2011-07-01 12:25 <wpwrak> hmm, quite good. frequencies sound a little off, but that may just be my laptop
2011-07-01 12:26 <wpwrak> the lyrics seem appropriate - i wonder when rejon will wake up :)
2011-07-01 12:28 <wpwrak> got one more ?
2011-07-01 12:31 <wpwrak> afk for a bit
2011-07-01 12:47 <wpwrak> oh, rejon was here. didn't even notice
2011-07-01 13:17 <`antonio`> Hi, I am trying to develop a GUI in nanonote, so I am working with SDL and C but I am having some problems,
2011-07-01 13:18 <`antonio`> can anyone link me some games or application developed using SDL that I can refer to ? 
2011-07-01 14:01 <viric> methril_work: I sent your CV to the brasilian owner
2011-07-01 14:27 <kristianpaul> `antonio`: may be Freedroid, bu i remenber libSDL webpage have some examples
2011-07-01 14:28 <`antonio`> kristianpaul, thanks i'll have a look 
2011-07-01 14:30 <kristianpaul> also i think in this project (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/ben-wpan/) there is SDL code somwhere, you just need find it
2011-07-01 14:30 <kristianpaul> bbl
2011-07-01 14:31 <`antonio`> excellent i'll have a look
2011-07-01 15:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: switch linux-zigbee tools source from (old) tarball to git repository (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/2d96152
2011-07-01 15:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/Makefile (BEN_DIRS): add dirtpan iff its lowpan tools dependency is met (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/e3066d7
2011-07-01 15:55 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: xxx (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/c705bf0
2011-07-01 16:00 <wpwrak> rejon: newsflash: there are lunch vouchers
2011-07-01 16:00 <wpwrak> rejon: so if you hadn't had food yet, you may want to grab one
2011-07-01 16:02 <rejon> ok, great
2011-07-01 16:02 <rejon> will grab
2011-07-01 16:26 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: i was wrong all the time, osgps dont support complex data as the sige chip was avaliable at time just provided real
2011-07-01 17:20 <sid_> http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote_New_User_Guide#Power_state_transitions
2011-07-01 17:21 <sid_> is /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_min_design minimum power which is needed for nn?
2011-07-01 17:21 <sid_> or how do i have to understand it
2011-07-01 17:31 <larsc> sid_: basically when the battery reaches the minimum it is empty
2011-07-01 17:33 <sid_> thanks, it was in storage and i got some strange values like -40%, which where a bit confusing. 
2011-07-01 17:35 <sid_> do you have any experience in charging li ion?
2011-07-01 17:39 <larsc> other than putting it into a charger, no
2011-07-01 18:06 <sid_> ^^ me too, but with n900 (usb is broken) it looks like it works
2011-07-01 18:06 <sid_> bye
2011-07-01 18:17 <kristianpaul> grr, damn small resitor and my lackness of good flux to make it back its new place
2011-07-01 18:22 <zear> larsc, is the ~2sec waiting time after you press the power button still present in the recent firmware?
2011-07-01 18:57 <kristianpaul> phew.. finally R47K moved from R9 to R14
2011-07-01 18:57 <kristianpaul> 1hr trying :)
2011-07-01 18:59 <kristianpaul> the trick was use tiny blobs of tin in the ends
2011-07-01 19:00 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: hey !, how was embeeded linux talk?
2011-07-01 19:03 <wpwrak> i wasn't there. 9am is a deal-breaker :)
2011-07-01 19:06 <kristianpaul> jaja
2011-07-01 19:12 <larsc> as long as you don't miss your own talk everything is fine
2011-07-01 19:15 <kristianpaul> =]
2011-07-01 19:19 <kristianpaul> hum, where is my 16Mhz sampling clock
2011-07-01 19:19 <wpwrak> larsc: indeed. and i had it already ;-)
2011-07-01 19:48 <kristianpaul> okay, real its working
2011-07-01 19:48 <kristianpaul> real mode*
2011-07-01 19:48 <kristianpaul> now back to sapling :)
2011-07-01 20:07 <zrafa> where is tuxbrain??
2011-07-01 21:54 <Tesseract> Simple question, if I have an ipk file, how do I install it on the nanonote?